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The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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Lots of players join at 7. Many are let go simply for the crime of not being good enough. I’m sure the club can let another go for the crime of being physically and mentally abusive to a woman.
Realistically, if this were a situation where 'the club knows a lot more and everything is actually fine, it's a big misunderstanding..' the correct approach would be an Oprah style interview. Get him in front of a camera to answer the questions and explain his side of things so people can get to know what really happened, what's he's really like.
They're not doing that though are they. That suggests to me...
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comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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We keep many of them that are proven to never be useful to the club at 16,17 and we still keep them till they can find another club. We pay them, train them. They are not "employee". I had more problems bringing back Ronaldo because that man cannot go to the US again for a reason but I did not feel the uproar. He was an adult, wealthy as eff and on his way down.
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comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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Selling a youth player isn't disowning them. It's giving them an opportunity to achieve something more than they would if they stayed at home. Like any family does. Some are better off staying with the family business, and some are better off moving on.
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 25 seconds ago
Realistically, if this were a situation where 'the club knows a lot more and everything is actually fine, it's a big misunderstanding..' the correct approach would be an Oprah style interview. .
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we have a good relationship with piers morgan
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
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comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
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comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
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comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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Selling a youth player isn't disowning them. It's giving them an opportunity to achieve something more than they would if they stayed at home. Like any family does. Some are better off staying with the family business, and some are better off moving on.
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Releasing a player isn't disowning them either. You're making a false equivalence there. It's more like sending him to Dubai or something where his behaviour won't get as much attention (see Boris Johnson and his son)
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comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
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Realistically, if this were a situation where 'the club knows a lot more and everything is actually fine, it's a big misunderstanding..' the correct approach would be an Oprah style interview. .
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we have a good relationship with piers morgan
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An interview with Piers would make it a lot worse.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
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I don't see how that relates to us. There are different contexts of judgement. One is the courts, where quite appropriately, the burden of evidence is very high because it impacts the individual's liberty. I don't feel I have the right to make that judgement, because I'm not a member of a jury assessing the full evidence. Another is whether Greenwood, as a free man, has the privilege of playing for one of the greatest sporting institutions in the world, and getting to represent the fans and channel their adulations. I do have a right to comment on that, because I love the club and if Greenwood returns, it has an effect on how my club is seen and how its actions impact society as a whole. If I were the parent of someone who did this, naturally both my feelings and my responsibilities would be different. I'd have to continue to love my son, despite what he had done, try to support him and at the same time get him to acknowledge, atone for, and grow past his actions. But I assume most of us on this forum aren't his parents, and if we take our moral situation seriously, we should think about the victims of domestic abuse and who will be affected by the club's decision and the ways in which it either sends a message of zero tolerance or, actually, quite a bit of tolerance to violent and coercive behaviour.
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
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Realistically, if this were a situation where 'the club knows a lot more and everything is actually fine, it's a big misunderstanding..' the correct approach would be an Oprah style interview. Get him in front of a camera to answer the questions and explain his side of things so people can get to know what really happened, what's he's really like.
They're not doing that though are they. That suggests to me...
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This would not end well... The only way to make yourself look better in a situation like this is to make the other person look worse... I don't think that's what any party or the public wants.
This club is run by utter pondlife cuuuunts, when can we get some new facking owners
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comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
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Realistically, if this were a situation where 'the club knows a lot more and everything is actually fine, it's a big misunderstanding..' the correct approach would be an Oprah style interview. Get him in front of a camera to answer the questions and explain his side of things so people can get to know what really happened, what's he's really like.
They're not doing that though are they. That suggests to me...
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This would not end well... The only way to make yourself look better in a situation like this is to make the other person look worse... I don't think that's what any party or the public wants.
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Yes but you're suggesting that the club knows the situation isn't as bad as the public thinks. So you clear that up.
Releasing a player isn't disowning them either. You're making a false equivalence there. It's more like sending him to Dubai or something where his behaviour won't get as much attention (see Boris Johnson and his son)
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Boris sons career does not hang on him having his name tarred completely for his actions at 19. Masons wife would want us to salvage his career.
Btw I'm sure everyone knows Mason is not getting another contract with us right? He may not even play regularly with us, but he saying at least gets him back to actually playing. You are angry with him but hes ours.
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
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comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
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comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
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comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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We keep many of them that are proven to never be useful to the club at 16,17 and we still keep them till they can find another club. We pay them, train them. They are not "employee". I had more problems bringing back Ronaldo because that man cannot go to the US again for a reason but I did not feel the uproar. He was an adult, wealthy as eff and on his way down.
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So let him find another club then.
If he was a Liverpool player, I wouldn’t want him back.
The scenario someone suggested earlier “what if he was your son?” In this case, whilst I wouldn’t disown him, if I were able financially (and United certainly are) I would suggest he relocates and rebuild his career and life elsewhere and learns from this.
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comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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Selling a youth player isn't disowning them. It's giving them an opportunity to achieve something more than they would if they stayed at home. Like any family does. Some are better off staying with the family business, and some are better off moving on.
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Releasing a player isn't disowning them either. You're making a false equivalence there. It's more like sending him to Dubai or something where his behaviour won't get as much attention (see Boris Johnson and his son)
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The problem here is that you guys seem to be OK with him continuing his career just not at United. Whereas United were the ones that brought him up and to this stage in his career and as I mentioned before should have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions.
For me this would just be shirking responsibility and passing the buck, when we should be taking ownership imo...
Id like to know how Ten Hag feels about this. He must surely have a say and if he has half a brain he must see this is a huge nuclear cloud coming his way that he could do without. I’m sure he’d be the first to say no player is bigger than the team and Greenwood is about to show that he’s bigger than the team.
If Ten Hag has cojones he’d decide right now the hassle isn’t worth it and say he doesn’t want Mason back.
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 6 seconds ago
Releasing a player isn't disowning them either. You're making a false equivalence there. It's more like sending him to Dubai or something where his behaviour won't get as much attention (see Boris Johnson and his son)
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Boris sons career does not hang on him having his name tarred completely for his actions at 19. Masons wife would want us to salvage his career.
Btw I'm sure everyone knows Mason is not getting another contract with us right? He may not even play regularly with us, but he saying at least gets him back to actually playing. You are angry with him but hes ours.
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He'll be alright. A club in Qatar or Saudi would pick him up.
Both my cousins were always in trouble with the law drug dealing, robbing etc. Made my aunt's life a misery. My Dad constantly told her to let them go (they would be the same age as me now if still alive) and not take them back into their home. She always did and always ended up hurt.
I've no doubt my Dad would have chucked me out too had I been like them.
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
Id like to know how Ten Hag feels about this. He must surely have a say and if he has half a brain he must see this is a huge nuclear cloud coming his way that he could do without. I’m sure he’d be the first to say no player is bigger than the team and Greenwood is about to show that he’s bigger than the team.
If Ten Hag has cojones he’d decide right now the hassle isn’t worth it and say he doesn’t want Mason back.
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Actually this would show a complete lack of cojones... This is the easy way out!
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 6 seconds ago
Releasing a player isn't disowning them either. You're making a false equivalence there. It's more like sending him to Dubai or something where his behaviour won't get as much attention (see Boris Johnson and his son)
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Boris sons career does not hang on him having his name tarred completely for his actions at 19. Masons wife would want us to salvage his career.
Btw I'm sure everyone knows Mason is not getting another contract with us right? He may not even play regularly with us, but he saying at least gets him back to actually playing. You are angry with him but hes ours.
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He'll be alright. A club in Qatar or Saudi would pick him up.
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Let them buy him from us for a gazillion dollars now then if you are so sure.
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
Id like to know how Ten Hag feels about this. He must surely have a say and if he has half a brain he must see this is a huge nuclear cloud coming his way that he could do without. I’m sure he’d be the first to say no player is bigger than the team and Greenwood is about to show that he’s bigger than the team.
If Ten Hag has cojones he’d decide right now the hassle isn’t worth it and say he doesn’t want Mason back.
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Actually this would show a complete lack of cojones... This is the easy way out!
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The best way out for the club as there’s no upside keeping him.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 15 seconds ago
Both my cousins were always in trouble with the law drug dealing, robbing etc. Made my aunt's life a misery. My Dad constantly told her to let them go (they would be the same age as me now if still alive) and not take them back into their home. She always did and always ended up hurt.
I've no doubt my Dad would have chucked me out too had I been like them.
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But here this are repeat offenders... With no remorse for their actions... We are talking about a first-time offender here... Would you dad have thrown you our the first time you did this? Highly unlikely...
Fool me twice... then yeah, you wouldn't here a pip from me...
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
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comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
Id like to know how Ten Hag feels about this. He must surely have a say and if he has half a brain he must see this is a huge nuclear cloud coming his way that he could do without. I’m sure he’d be the first to say no player is bigger than the team and Greenwood is about to show that he’s bigger than the team.
If Ten Hag has cojones he’d decide right now the hassle isn’t worth it and say he doesn’t want Mason back.
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Actually this would show a complete lack of cojones... This is the easy way out!
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The best way out for the club as there’s no upside keeping him.
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This is exactly what I and Redastomatoe are saying... The only reason to keep him is because his more than just a mere employee and there might be more to the story (as alluded to in the message from the club though admittedly nothing specific).
The easy way out is letting him go... Doesn't mean it's the right choice.
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comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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We keep many of them that are proven to never be useful to the club at 16,17 and we still keep them till they can find another club. We pay them, train them. They are not "employee". I had more problems bringing back Ronaldo because that man cannot go to the US again for a reason but I did not feel the uproar. He was an adult, wealthy as eff and on his way down.
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So let him find another club then.
If he was a Liverpool player, I wouldn’t want him back.
The scenario someone suggested earlier “what if he was your son?” In this case, whilst I wouldn’t disown him, if I were able financially (and United certainly are) I would suggest he relocates and rebuild his career and life elsewhere and learns from this.
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If you are serious about that, the best (and only way )to do it is to show someone that he is still an actual player. He needs to play at some level.
Nobody has ever got rid of someone you wanted to help.
You can just guarantee a Greenwood article will generate 200 comments
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posted on 18/8/23
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
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posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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Lots of players join at 7. Many are let go simply for the crime of not being good enough. I’m sure the club can let another go for the crime of being physically and mentally abusive to a woman.
posted on 18/8/23
Realistically, if this were a situation where 'the club knows a lot more and everything is actually fine, it's a big misunderstanding..' the correct approach would be an Oprah style interview. Get him in front of a camera to answer the questions and explain his side of things so people can get to know what really happened, what's he's really like.
They're not doing that though are they. That suggests to me...
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
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comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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We keep many of them that are proven to never be useful to the club at 16,17 and we still keep them till they can find another club. We pay them, train them. They are not "employee". I had more problems bringing back Ronaldo because that man cannot go to the US again for a reason but I did not feel the uproar. He was an adult, wealthy as eff and on his way down.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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Selling a youth player isn't disowning them. It's giving them an opportunity to achieve something more than they would if they stayed at home. Like any family does. Some are better off staying with the family business, and some are better off moving on.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 25 seconds ago
Realistically, if this were a situation where 'the club knows a lot more and everything is actually fine, it's a big misunderstanding..' the correct approach would be an Oprah style interview. .
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we have a good relationship with piers morgan
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
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posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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Selling a youth player isn't disowning them. It's giving them an opportunity to achieve something more than they would if they stayed at home. Like any family does. Some are better off staying with the family business, and some are better off moving on.
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Releasing a player isn't disowning them either. You're making a false equivalence there. It's more like sending him to Dubai or something where his behaviour won't get as much attention (see Boris Johnson and his son)
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 25 seconds ago
Realistically, if this were a situation where 'the club knows a lot more and everything is actually fine, it's a big misunderstanding..' the correct approach would be an Oprah style interview. .
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we have a good relationship with piers morgan
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An interview with Piers would make it a lot worse.
posted on 18/8/23
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
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I don't see how that relates to us. There are different contexts of judgement. One is the courts, where quite appropriately, the burden of evidence is very high because it impacts the individual's liberty. I don't feel I have the right to make that judgement, because I'm not a member of a jury assessing the full evidence. Another is whether Greenwood, as a free man, has the privilege of playing for one of the greatest sporting institutions in the world, and getting to represent the fans and channel their adulations. I do have a right to comment on that, because I love the club and if Greenwood returns, it has an effect on how my club is seen and how its actions impact society as a whole. If I were the parent of someone who did this, naturally both my feelings and my responsibilities would be different. I'd have to continue to love my son, despite what he had done, try to support him and at the same time get him to acknowledge, atone for, and grow past his actions. But I assume most of us on this forum aren't his parents, and if we take our moral situation seriously, we should think about the victims of domestic abuse and who will be affected by the club's decision and the ways in which it either sends a message of zero tolerance or, actually, quite a bit of tolerance to violent and coercive behaviour.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 3 seconds ago
Realistically, if this were a situation where 'the club knows a lot more and everything is actually fine, it's a big misunderstanding..' the correct approach would be an Oprah style interview. Get him in front of a camera to answer the questions and explain his side of things so people can get to know what really happened, what's he's really like.
They're not doing that though are they. That suggests to me...
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This would not end well... The only way to make yourself look better in a situation like this is to make the other person look worse... I don't think that's what any party or the public wants.
posted on 18/8/23
This club is run by utter pondlife cuuuunts, when can we get some new facking owners
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 3 seconds ago
Realistically, if this were a situation where 'the club knows a lot more and everything is actually fine, it's a big misunderstanding..' the correct approach would be an Oprah style interview. Get him in front of a camera to answer the questions and explain his side of things so people can get to know what really happened, what's he's really like.
They're not doing that though are they. That suggests to me...
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This would not end well... The only way to make yourself look better in a situation like this is to make the other person look worse... I don't think that's what any party or the public wants.
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Yes but you're suggesting that the club knows the situation isn't as bad as the public thinks. So you clear that up.
posted on 18/8/23
Releasing a player isn't disowning them either. You're making a false equivalence there. It's more like sending him to Dubai or something where his behaviour won't get as much attention (see Boris Johnson and his son)
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Boris sons career does not hang on him having his name tarred completely for his actions at 19. Masons wife would want us to salvage his career.
Btw I'm sure everyone knows Mason is not getting another contract with us right? He may not even play regularly with us, but he saying at least gets him back to actually playing. You are angry with him but hes ours.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
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posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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We keep many of them that are proven to never be useful to the club at 16,17 and we still keep them till they can find another club. We pay them, train them. They are not "employee". I had more problems bringing back Ronaldo because that man cannot go to the US again for a reason but I did not feel the uproar. He was an adult, wealthy as eff and on his way down.
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So let him find another club then.
If he was a Liverpool player, I wouldn’t want him back.
The scenario someone suggested earlier “what if he was your son?” In this case, whilst I wouldn’t disown him, if I were able financially (and United certainly are) I would suggest he relocates and rebuild his career and life elsewhere and learns from this.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 23 seconds ago
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posted 58 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 41 seconds ago
The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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Selling a youth player isn't disowning them. It's giving them an opportunity to achieve something more than they would if they stayed at home. Like any family does. Some are better off staying with the family business, and some are better off moving on.
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Releasing a player isn't disowning them either. You're making a false equivalence there. It's more like sending him to Dubai or something where his behaviour won't get as much attention (see Boris Johnson and his son)
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The problem here is that you guys seem to be OK with him continuing his career just not at United. Whereas United were the ones that brought him up and to this stage in his career and as I mentioned before should have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions.
For me this would just be shirking responsibility and passing the buck, when we should be taking ownership imo...
posted on 18/8/23
Id like to know how Ten Hag feels about this. He must surely have a say and if he has half a brain he must see this is a huge nuclear cloud coming his way that he could do without. I’m sure he’d be the first to say no player is bigger than the team and Greenwood is about to show that he’s bigger than the team.
If Ten Hag has cojones he’d decide right now the hassle isn’t worth it and say he doesn’t want Mason back.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 6 seconds ago
Releasing a player isn't disowning them either. You're making a false equivalence there. It's more like sending him to Dubai or something where his behaviour won't get as much attention (see Boris Johnson and his son)
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Boris sons career does not hang on him having his name tarred completely for his actions at 19. Masons wife would want us to salvage his career.
Btw I'm sure everyone knows Mason is not getting another contract with us right? He may not even play regularly with us, but he saying at least gets him back to actually playing. You are angry with him but hes ours.
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He'll be alright. A club in Qatar or Saudi would pick him up.
posted on 18/8/23
Both my cousins were always in trouble with the law drug dealing, robbing etc. Made my aunt's life a misery. My Dad constantly told her to let them go (they would be the same age as me now if still alive) and not take them back into their home. She always did and always ended up hurt.
I've no doubt my Dad would have chucked me out too had I been like them.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
Id like to know how Ten Hag feels about this. He must surely have a say and if he has half a brain he must see this is a huge nuclear cloud coming his way that he could do without. I’m sure he’d be the first to say no player is bigger than the team and Greenwood is about to show that he’s bigger than the team.
If Ten Hag has cojones he’d decide right now the hassle isn’t worth it and say he doesn’t want Mason back.
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Actually this would show a complete lack of cojones... This is the easy way out!
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 6 seconds ago
Releasing a player isn't disowning them either. You're making a false equivalence there. It's more like sending him to Dubai or something where his behaviour won't get as much attention (see Boris Johnson and his son)
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Boris sons career does not hang on him having his name tarred completely for his actions at 19. Masons wife would want us to salvage his career.
Btw I'm sure everyone knows Mason is not getting another contract with us right? He may not even play regularly with us, but he saying at least gets him back to actually playing. You are angry with him but hes ours.
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He'll be alright. A club in Qatar or Saudi would pick him up.
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Let them buy him from us for a gazillion dollars now then if you are so sure.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
Id like to know how Ten Hag feels about this. He must surely have a say and if he has half a brain he must see this is a huge nuclear cloud coming his way that he could do without. I’m sure he’d be the first to say no player is bigger than the team and Greenwood is about to show that he’s bigger than the team.
If Ten Hag has cojones he’d decide right now the hassle isn’t worth it and say he doesn’t want Mason back.
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Actually this would show a complete lack of cojones... This is the easy way out!
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The best way out for the club as there’s no upside keeping him.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 15 seconds ago
Both my cousins were always in trouble with the law drug dealing, robbing etc. Made my aunt's life a misery. My Dad constantly told her to let them go (they would be the same age as me now if still alive) and not take them back into their home. She always did and always ended up hurt.
I've no doubt my Dad would have chucked me out too had I been like them.
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But here this are repeat offenders... With no remorse for their actions... We are talking about a first-time offender here... Would you dad have thrown you our the first time you did this? Highly unlikely...
Fool me twice... then yeah, you wouldn't here a pip from me...
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
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comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
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Id like to know how Ten Hag feels about this. He must surely have a say and if he has half a brain he must see this is a huge nuclear cloud coming his way that he could do without. I’m sure he’d be the first to say no player is bigger than the team and Greenwood is about to show that he’s bigger than the team.
If Ten Hag has cojones he’d decide right now the hassle isn’t worth it and say he doesn’t want Mason back.
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Actually this would show a complete lack of cojones... This is the easy way out!
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The best way out for the club as there’s no upside keeping him.
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This is exactly what I and Redastomatoe are saying... The only reason to keep him is because his more than just a mere employee and there might be more to the story (as alluded to in the message from the club though admittedly nothing specific).
The easy way out is letting him go... Doesn't mean it's the right choice.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
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comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
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comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
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comment by Onana_banana_fi_fa_fofana (U20611)
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The easy decision would just be to terminate Greenwood's contract and be done with it.
I think the fact that they are willing to go through this potentially difficult (and perilous for their jobs) reintegration process suggests they know a lot more about the case than we do and are willing to give the lad a path forward.
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It doesn't suggest that at all
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I'd like to know how it suggests that too. All I think it is all about is that he's a multi million pound 'asset'.
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How much more does the club stand to lose in lost sponsorship deals and public opinion? I would say if far outweighs and residual value he might have.
I personally don't think this is a valid argument. There is almost no upside for us keeping Greenwood except for the fact that the lad is Man United family and you give family as second chance.
For those who have kids. I've seen the question one here about "if that was your daughter". How about if Mason was your son. He made this mistake (allegedly) and was remorseful. Would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person.
That's the decision United have had to make... Just like any parent, United has to have some sense of shared responsibility for his actions, they had a major hand in his upbringing after all. As such the club should be open to his rehabilitation (assuming one is needed, we don't know the full story, all judgement is being passed based on a recording with no context)
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I'd like to think parents of boys on here would be horrified and would tell their son he's brought it all on himself.
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Yes but after the scolding, after the punishment, whatever that might be, would could disown him and cut him off completely, or would help him rebuild his life to become a better person?
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I would, yes. I wouldn't expect his employer to though. Especially when he's brought them into disrepute.
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He joined at 7 years old. He is not an "employee "
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By that logic you'd never sell any of your youth players. You don't sell family.
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We keep many of them that are proven to never be useful to the club at 16,17 and we still keep them till they can find another club. We pay them, train them. They are not "employee". I had more problems bringing back Ronaldo because that man cannot go to the US again for a reason but I did not feel the uproar. He was an adult, wealthy as eff and on his way down.
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So let him find another club then.
If he was a Liverpool player, I wouldn’t want him back.
The scenario someone suggested earlier “what if he was your son?” In this case, whilst I wouldn’t disown him, if I were able financially (and United certainly are) I would suggest he relocates and rebuild his career and life elsewhere and learns from this.
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If you are serious about that, the best (and only way )to do it is to show someone that he is still an actual player. He needs to play at some level.
Nobody has ever got rid of someone you wanted to help.
posted on 18/8/23
You can just guarantee a Greenwood article will generate 200 comments
posted on 18/8/23
Mostly RDD arguing with everyone but still
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