comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Well this generation have not never had it so good. How many CL/European Cup campaigns did supporters get to see in the 22 years prior to ENIC?
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And what have we won under Levy/ENIC Sandy? It’s officially our least successful era in terms of trophies.
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No that would be from 1882 until 1901, 19 years, 1901 until 1921, 20 years and 1921 until 1951, 30 years without a trophy.
Learn your history mate.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thank you. Where are the we were rubbish before Levy took over now?
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Average league finish 8th is crap to where Spurs are now And three of those trophies were won in just four seasons out of the 22.
Also OP forgot to put Spurs reached a CL final for the only time in their history.
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Our average league finish of 5th is only a thing because Pochettino had us finish 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 4th in his five seasons at the club. But you’ve always slated him and called him a failure - now you’re hanging your hat on his efforts back your Levy agenda.
* 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Well this generation have not never had it so good. How many CL/European Cup campaigns did supporters get to see in the 22 years prior to ENIC?
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And what have we won under Levy/ENIC Sandy? It’s officially our least successful era in terms of trophies.
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No that would be from 1882 until 1901, 19 years, 1901 until 1921, 20 years and 1921 until 1951, 30 years without a trophy.
Learn your history mate.
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You have just plucked up a couple of big gaps to suit your agenda. We are talking eras as in owners Sandy. Levy/ENIC are the least successful owners in our history in terms of trophies. Learn your history mate
comment by ChArliE Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thank you. Where are the we were rubbish before Levy took over now?
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Average league finish 8th is crap to where Spurs are now And three of those trophies were won in just four seasons out of the 22.
Also OP forgot to put Spurs reached a CL final for the only time in their history.
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Our average league finish of 5th is only a thing because Pochettino had us finish 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 4th in his five seasons at the club. But you’ve always slated him and called him a failure - now you’re hanging your hat on his efforts back your Levy agenda.
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Wouldn’t be the 1st time Sandy flip flops to suit his agenda
We were told the new stadium would be a game changer and we would be able to compete to win silverware, we are still waiting.
Levy is full of shiete, PL football has left him behind and he refuses to evolve with it, he should do every Spurs fan a favour and sell the club to the richest person possible.
We used to break the transfer record under Scholar, I remember paying £2m for Gazza which was a British record. Irresponsible at the time maybe and Scholar nearly bankrupted the club, but at least he had ambition.
The club these days is in a incredibly strong financial position, it would be almost impossible to bankrupt the club, but Levy still refuses to push the boat out, even just a little bit.
Levy & ENIC are well past their sell by date, they have taken he football team as far as they can, they need to go.
Levy out.
comment by ChArliE Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thank you. Where are the we were rubbish before Levy took over now?
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Average league finish 8th is crap to where Spurs are now And three of those trophies were won in just four seasons out of the 22.
Also OP forgot to put Spurs reached a CL final for the only time in their history.
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Our average league finish of 5th is only a thing because Pochettino had us finish 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 4th in his five seasons at the club. But you’ve always slated him and called him a failure - now you’re hanging your hat on his efforts back your Levy agenda.
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If your praising Poch, then you have to praise Levy and ENIC for employing him. You cannot have it both ways.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Well this generation have not never had it so good. How many CL/European Cup campaigns did supporters get to see in the 22 years prior to ENIC?
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And what have we won under Levy/ENIC Sandy? It’s officially our least successful era in terms of trophies.
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Team got to finals, and plenty of top finishes in the Prem to have won trophies. Not ENIC or Levy's fault the players keep bottling it through being mentally weak.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Well this generation have not never had it so good. How many CL/European Cup campaigns did supporters get to see in the 22 years prior to ENIC?
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And what have we won under Levy/ENIC Sandy? It’s officially our least successful era in terms of trophies.
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No that would be from 1882 until 1901, 19 years, 1901 until 1921, 20 years and 1921 until 1951, 30 years without a trophy.
Learn your history mate.
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You have just plucked up a couple of big gaps to suit your agenda. We are talking eras as in owners Sandy. Levy/ENIC are the least successful owners in our history in terms of trophies. Learn your history mate
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I've not done anything at all. Just posted facts, after you said it was the least successful Spurs era of all time, when it clearly isn't.
It's so painful to know we can't remove Levy legally
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 1 minute ago
It's so painful to know we can't remove Levy legally
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Why would you even contemplate trying to remove Levy. Has he broken the law?
Mindblowing how Levy has got to you lot.
I'm amazed you've not tried to replace Kane.
Probably means you're lining up Toney in January you think?
comment by 8==Divock - LFC High Reputation Board Member (U22339)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
Daniel Levy has brought joy to many soccer fans in his tenure at Tottenham. Many including myself consider him to be a huge success and wish this to continue for many more years to come
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You are easily satisfied with .................
nothing?
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
So since Levy came we're better in the league but worse in cups. I'm not sure how enlightening this is on either side of the argument really?
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We're a little better in the league by maybe 1 place,
but we're diabolically worse off in silverware.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 59 minutes ago
I'm amazed you've not tried to replace Kane.
Probably means you're lining up Toney in January you think?
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The objective voice folks. Anyone still backing Levy should listen to this because even those with no stake in the game are gobsmacked how we operate. It’s an absolute scandal and those of you still backing Levy are genuinely part of the problem.
And in response to Dev, he makes some good points. Levy has not been all bad. He’s done a very good job of running the business and operating a football club in the black. Problem is, that’s where his skill set lets us down. It’s all he’s good at. His ‘win’ is to climb the table spending the least amount of money. That’s the game he plays. He’s not in it for the success as we see it. He’s in it for the financial win. That’s what makes him tick so even if we got an investor on board, he wouldn’t relax and spend more. That’s not who he is. The game isn’t winning monopoly. It’s getting as far as you can without spending much money.
Also it’s worth pointing out that the footballing landscape is changing fast with US owners. The sensible spender is a relic, a dinosaur. What was once a valuable skill set in this league is fast becoming obsolete. He was unambitious 5-10 years ago. You imagine what he’ll be like 5-10 years from now when inflation really blows the game up. He’s already having to be clever in the market. It’s completely unsustainable for an ambitious club. We WILL drop down the league if we don’t start spending more money. History teaches us that.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Now ain't THAT the truth
I never ever bring up the 1950 squad which contain Spurs legends Bill Nicholson, Alf Ramsey, Ron Burgess, Ted Ditchburn, Len Duquemin .... that won the second and first divisions in successive seasons.
Levy is the worst owner I can remember this club having. Others made huge errors for sure, but they learnt from them.
Supporting Spurs under Levy is like being that Greek god that was punished for cheating death by having to roll a rock up a hill and when he was nearly at the top it would roll down again and he would have to start all over.
Levy stripped all ambition to win things out of the club, we are a London event destination - not a football club.
Blokes a grade A priiick - but some on here love the mediocrity so he gets away with it
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Now ain't THAT the truth
I never ever bring up the 1950 squad which contain Spurs legends Bill Nicholson, Alf Ramsey, Ron Burgess, Ted Ditchburn, Len Duquemin .... that won the second and first divisions in successive seasons.
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Teams that lived up to “To dare is to do” yet under Levy our fans now say “To dare is to dear” - he has killed the club
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 59 minutes ago
I'm amazed you've not tried to replace Kane.
Probably means you're lining up Toney in January you think?
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The objective voice folks. Anyone still backing Levy should listen to this because even those with no stake in the game are gobsmacked how we operate. It’s an absolute scandal and those of you still backing Levy are genuinely part of the problem.
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So only those that are ante Levy have a voice then? Gotcha.
Just for the record, part of what problem? If supporting your owners, who to my knowledge have not committed any crimes, and are just trying to run the club proper in the era of the financially doped is a problem. Then I think it is you that has a problem.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 hours, 40 minutes ago
And in response to Dev, he makes some good points. Levy has not been all bad. He’s done a very good job of running the business and operating a football club in the black. Problem is, that’s where his skill set lets us down. It’s all he’s good at. His ‘win’ is to climb the table spending the least amount of money. That’s the game he plays. He’s not in it for the success as we see it. He’s in it for the financial win. That’s what makes him tick so even if we got an investor on board, he wouldn’t relax and spend more. That’s not who he is. The game isn’t winning monopoly. It’s getting as far as you can without spending much money.
Also it’s worth pointing out that the footballing landscape is changing fast with US owners. The sensible spender is a relic, a dinosaur. What was once a valuable skill set in this league is fast becoming obsolete. He was unambitious 5-10 years ago. You imagine what he’ll be like 5-10 years from now when inflation really blows the game up. He’s already having to be clever in the market. It’s completely unsustainable for an ambitious club. We WILL drop down the league if we don’t start spending more money. History teaches us that.
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What a load of tosh. History doesn't teach us that at all. All history teaches us, is that spend beyond your means don't last very long. Are you suggesting Spurs spend on Chelsea levels for example, whilst still having to make payments on the stadium. You cannot have both that's why Chelsea are still playing in a decrepit old stadium. Spurs will grow over the next decade. Chelsea will stagnate, and probably be in serious financial trouble by the end of the decade.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
And in response to Dev, he makes some good points. Levy has not been all bad. He’s done a very good job of running the business and operating a football club in the black. Problem is, that’s where his skill set lets us down. It’s all he’s good at. His ‘win’ is to climb the table spending the least amount of money. That’s the game he plays. He’s not in it for the success as we see it. He’s in it for the financial win. That’s what makes him tick so even if we got an investor on board, he wouldn’t relax and spend more. That’s not who he is. The game isn’t winning monopoly. It’s getting as far as you can without spending much money.
Also it’s worth pointing out that the footballing landscape is changing fast with US owners. The sensible spender is a relic, a dinosaur. What was once a valuable skill set in this league is fast becoming obsolete. He was unambitious 5-10 years ago. You imagine what he’ll be like 5-10 years from now when inflation really blows the game up. He’s already having to be clever in the market. It’s completely unsustainable for an ambitious club. We WILL drop down the league if we don’t start spending more money. History teaches us that.
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There is a difference between running a club sustainably and being in something for financial gain.
The argument that he's not interest in success, only profits is false as success = profit.
As for sustainable running of clubs being "a relic" this lays bare your ill considered idea of club ownership.
Where are all these clubs spending 100s if millions beyond their financial means.
Chelsea and City did it when the rules were lapse and developed their clubs into financial powerhouses. City are now sustainable having doped themselves to the top.
United Liverpool Arsenal all spend money they earn. Big wealthy clubs who can afford to spend big.
Spurs also spend big.
How we go about spending that money is a different matter and there is a much evidence to show that we have wasted a lot and the way we get deals done makes our life harder.
You seem to want a Todd Boehly approach to ownership and see that as some new way of owning a club. It isn't. They got the club under value leaving them room to spend wildly. They have rolled the dice massively and are banking on success. Failure to get that success could ruin them. Their fans should be genuinely worried about the fall out of a failure to achieve UCL this season.
I would not want our owners to be playing such a risky game with our club.
So long as we spend what we earn and seek to maximise earnings and investment, then we cannot ask the owners to do more than that, financially. We can demand they put the best structures in place to ensure we give ourselves the best chance of success and that is probably where we have failed in recent years, unable to develop an identity and an ethos that is driven towards success at all levels of the club. City are a great example of how this can be achieved. Our owners have not done this and its been a mess and this is where the strongest criticism should lie...not the fact they havent gambled the clubs future by spending 1bn in 12 months.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
And in response to Dev, he makes some good points. Levy has not been all bad. He’s done a very good job of running the business and operating a football club in the black. Problem is, that’s where his skill set lets us down. It’s all he’s good at. His ‘win’ is to climb the table spending the least amount of money. That’s the game he plays. He’s not in it for the success as we see it. He’s in it for the financial win. That’s what makes him tick so even if we got an investor on board, he wouldn’t relax and spend more. That’s not who he is. The game isn’t winning monopoly. It’s getting as far as you can without spending much money.
Also it’s worth pointing out that the footballing landscape is changing fast with US owners. The sensible spender is a relic, a dinosaur. What was once a valuable skill set in this league is fast becoming obsolete. He was unambitious 5-10 years ago. You imagine what he’ll be like 5-10 years from now when inflation really blows the game up. He’s already having to be clever in the market. It’s completely unsustainable for an ambitious club. We WILL drop down the league if we don’t start spending more money. History teaches us that.
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There is a difference between running a club sustainably and being in something for financial gain.
The argument that he's not interest in success, only profits is false as success = profit.
As for sustainable running of clubs being "a relic" this lays bare your ill considered idea of club ownership.
Where are all these clubs spending 100s if millions beyond their financial means.
Chelsea and City did it when the rules were lapse and developed their clubs into financial powerhouses. City are now sustainable having doped themselves to the top.
United Liverpool Arsenal all spend money they earn. Big wealthy clubs who can afford to spend big.
Spurs also spend big.
How we go about spending that money is a different matter and there is a much evidence to show that we have wasted a lot and the way we get deals done makes our life harder.
You seem to want a Todd Boehly approach to ownership and see that as some new way of owning a club. It isn't. They got the club under value leaving them room to spend wildly. They have rolled the dice massively and are banking on success. Failure to get that success could ruin them. Their fans should be genuinely worried about the fall out of a failure to achieve UCL this season.
I would not want our owners to be playing such a risky game with our club.
So long as we spend what we earn and seek to maximise earnings and investment, then we cannot ask the owners to do more than that, financially. We can demand they put the best structures in place to ensure we give ourselves the best chance of success and that is probably where we have failed in recent years, unable to develop an identity and an ethos that is driven towards success at all levels of the club. City are a great example of how this can be achieved. Our owners have not done this and its been a mess and this is where the strongest criticism should lie...not the fact they havent gambled the clubs future by spending 1bn in 12 months.
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Levy can make profits without success on the pitch, that is a problem.
Spurs spend way below their financial means, that is another problem.
These owners are not delivering success on the pitch, and should fack off out of Spurs.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
And in response to Dev, he makes some good points. Levy has not been all bad. He’s done a very good job of running the business and operating a football club in the black. Problem is, that’s where his skill set lets us down. It’s all he’s good at. His ‘win’ is to climb the table spending the least amount of money. That’s the game he plays. He’s not in it for the success as we see it. He’s in it for the financial win. That’s what makes him tick so even if we got an investor on board, he wouldn’t relax and spend more. That’s not who he is. The game isn’t winning monopoly. It’s getting as far as you can without spending much money.
Also it’s worth pointing out that the footballing landscape is changing fast with US owners. The sensible spender is a relic, a dinosaur. What was once a valuable skill set in this league is fast becoming obsolete. He was unambitious 5-10 years ago. You imagine what he’ll be like 5-10 years from now when inflation really blows the game up. He’s already having to be clever in the market. It’s completely unsustainable for an ambitious club. We WILL drop down the league if we don’t start spending more money. History teaches us that.
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There is a difference between running a club sustainably and being in something for financial gain.
The argument that he's not interest in success, only profits is false as success = profit.
As for sustainable running of clubs being "a relic" this lays bare your ill considered idea of club ownership.
Where are all these clubs spending 100s if millions beyond their financial means.
Chelsea and City did it when the rules were lapse and developed their clubs into financial powerhouses. City are now sustainable having doped themselves to the top.
United Liverpool Arsenal all spend money they earn. Big wealthy clubs who can afford to spend big.
Spurs also spend big.
How we go about spending that money is a different matter and there is a much evidence to show that we have wasted a lot and the way we get deals done makes our life harder.
You seem to want a Todd Boehly approach to ownership and see that as some new way of owning a club. It isn't. They got the club under value leaving them room to spend wildly. They have rolled the dice massively and are banking on success. Failure to get that success could ruin them. Their fans should be genuinely worried about the fall out of a failure to achieve UCL this season.
I would not want our owners to be playing such a risky game with our club.
So long as we spend what we earn and seek to maximise earnings and investment, then we cannot ask the owners to do more than that, financially. We can demand they put the best structures in place to ensure we give ourselves the best chance of success and that is probably where we have failed in recent years, unable to develop an identity and an ethos that is driven towards success at all levels of the club. City are a great example of how this can be achieved. Our owners have not done this and its been a mess and this is where the strongest criticism should lie...not the fact they havent gambled the clubs future by spending 1bn in 12 months.
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Chelsea's policy is a major gamble. I totally get that and I agree that I definitely wouldn't want that at our club. The problem is though that, unlike most of the top six, we tend to wait until the balance sheet says we can spend before actually going for it. Arsenal, for example, after many seasons without CL football, shouldn't have the kind of revenue that's seeing them spend so big in the transfer market, but they are. Success on the pitch should breed ambition in the board room. They finished 2nd last year, qualified for the CL and absolutely went for it in the transfer window. We don't yet know how many of those signings will work out but the intent is there. When we finished 2nd I don't think we signed anyone. That's the headline. You CANNOT, or rarely gain any level of success without gambling a little with possible future earnings. That's what the -400m FFP 3-5 year allowance is there for. It's a short term safety net to encourage ambition. I don't think we've spent a penny of ENIC's money to even go into the red, aside from the supposed inject of funds that wasn't used up when Conte came in.
And Billy is right. ENIC's focus financially is away from the pitch. They're making profits in events, not football management. I have my doubts that the revenue gained from hosting NFL and music acts goes back into the club. He will operate them all as separate entities. Revenue streams from NFL will go back into improving the NFL experience. Music acts money will go back into improving that experience and so on. The stadium was supposed to be a game-changer and whilst I understand inflation has changed all that, prior to the stadium being built we were the 6th highest spenders and we're still in that bracket. In fact we're probably lower now because other clubs are catching up. Newcastle will overtake us and we're now competing with Brentford and Brighton. Tottenham Hotspur, competing with those two. Welcome to Daniel Levy's ownership model.
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posted on 31/8/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Well this generation have not never had it so good. How many CL/European Cup campaigns did supporters get to see in the 22 years prior to ENIC?
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And what have we won under Levy/ENIC Sandy? It’s officially our least successful era in terms of trophies.
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No that would be from 1882 until 1901, 19 years, 1901 until 1921, 20 years and 1921 until 1951, 30 years without a trophy.
Learn your history mate.
posted on 31/8/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thank you. Where are the we were rubbish before Levy took over now?
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Average league finish 8th is crap to where Spurs are now And three of those trophies were won in just four seasons out of the 22.
Also OP forgot to put Spurs reached a CL final for the only time in their history.
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Our average league finish of 5th is only a thing because Pochettino had us finish 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 4th in his five seasons at the club. But you’ve always slated him and called him a failure - now you’re hanging your hat on his efforts back your Levy agenda.
posted on 31/8/23
* 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
posted on 31/8/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Well this generation have not never had it so good. How many CL/European Cup campaigns did supporters get to see in the 22 years prior to ENIC?
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And what have we won under Levy/ENIC Sandy? It’s officially our least successful era in terms of trophies.
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No that would be from 1882 until 1901, 19 years, 1901 until 1921, 20 years and 1921 until 1951, 30 years without a trophy.
Learn your history mate.
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You have just plucked up a couple of big gaps to suit your agenda. We are talking eras as in owners Sandy. Levy/ENIC are the least successful owners in our history in terms of trophies. Learn your history mate
posted on 31/8/23
comment by ChArliE Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thank you. Where are the we were rubbish before Levy took over now?
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Average league finish 8th is crap to where Spurs are now And three of those trophies were won in just four seasons out of the 22.
Also OP forgot to put Spurs reached a CL final for the only time in their history.
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Our average league finish of 5th is only a thing because Pochettino had us finish 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 4th in his five seasons at the club. But you’ve always slated him and called him a failure - now you’re hanging your hat on his efforts back your Levy agenda.
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Wouldn’t be the 1st time Sandy flip flops to suit his agenda
posted on 31/8/23
We were told the new stadium would be a game changer and we would be able to compete to win silverware, we are still waiting.
Levy is full of shiete, PL football has left him behind and he refuses to evolve with it, he should do every Spurs fan a favour and sell the club to the richest person possible.
We used to break the transfer record under Scholar, I remember paying £2m for Gazza which was a British record. Irresponsible at the time maybe and Scholar nearly bankrupted the club, but at least he had ambition.
The club these days is in a incredibly strong financial position, it would be almost impossible to bankrupt the club, but Levy still refuses to push the boat out, even just a little bit.
Levy & ENIC are well past their sell by date, they have taken he football team as far as they can, they need to go.
Levy out.
posted on 31/8/23
comment by ChArliE Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thank you. Where are the we were rubbish before Levy took over now?
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Average league finish 8th is crap to where Spurs are now And three of those trophies were won in just four seasons out of the 22.
Also OP forgot to put Spurs reached a CL final for the only time in their history.
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Our average league finish of 5th is only a thing because Pochettino had us finish 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 4th in his five seasons at the club. But you’ve always slated him and called him a failure - now you’re hanging your hat on his efforts back your Levy agenda.
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If your praising Poch, then you have to praise Levy and ENIC for employing him. You cannot have it both ways.
posted on 31/8/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Well this generation have not never had it so good. How many CL/European Cup campaigns did supporters get to see in the 22 years prior to ENIC?
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And what have we won under Levy/ENIC Sandy? It’s officially our least successful era in terms of trophies.
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Team got to finals, and plenty of top finishes in the Prem to have won trophies. Not ENIC or Levy's fault the players keep bottling it through being mentally weak.
posted on 31/8/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Well this generation have not never had it so good. How many CL/European Cup campaigns did supporters get to see in the 22 years prior to ENIC?
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And what have we won under Levy/ENIC Sandy? It’s officially our least successful era in terms of trophies.
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No that would be from 1882 until 1901, 19 years, 1901 until 1921, 20 years and 1921 until 1951, 30 years without a trophy.
Learn your history mate.
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You have just plucked up a couple of big gaps to suit your agenda. We are talking eras as in owners Sandy. Levy/ENIC are the least successful owners in our history in terms of trophies. Learn your history mate
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I've not done anything at all. Just posted facts, after you said it was the least successful Spurs era of all time, when it clearly isn't.
posted on 31/8/23
It's so painful to know we can't remove Levy legally
posted on 31/8/23
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 1 minute ago
It's so painful to know we can't remove Levy legally
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Why would you even contemplate trying to remove Levy. Has he broken the law?
Mindblowing how Levy has got to you lot.
posted on 31/8/23
I'm amazed you've not tried to replace Kane.
Probably means you're lining up Toney in January you think?
posted on 31/8/23
comment by 8==Divock - LFC High Reputation Board Member (U22339)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
Daniel Levy has brought joy to many soccer fans in his tenure at Tottenham. Many including myself consider him to be a huge success and wish this to continue for many more years to come
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You are easily satisfied with .................
nothing?
posted on 31/8/23
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
So since Levy came we're better in the league but worse in cups. I'm not sure how enlightening this is on either side of the argument really?
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We're a little better in the league by maybe 1 place,
but we're diabolically worse off in silverware.
posted on 31/8/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 59 minutes ago
I'm amazed you've not tried to replace Kane.
Probably means you're lining up Toney in January you think?
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The objective voice folks. Anyone still backing Levy should listen to this because even those with no stake in the game are gobsmacked how we operate. It’s an absolute scandal and those of you still backing Levy are genuinely part of the problem.
posted on 31/8/23
And in response to Dev, he makes some good points. Levy has not been all bad. He’s done a very good job of running the business and operating a football club in the black. Problem is, that’s where his skill set lets us down. It’s all he’s good at. His ‘win’ is to climb the table spending the least amount of money. That’s the game he plays. He’s not in it for the success as we see it. He’s in it for the financial win. That’s what makes him tick so even if we got an investor on board, he wouldn’t relax and spend more. That’s not who he is. The game isn’t winning monopoly. It’s getting as far as you can without spending much money.
Also it’s worth pointing out that the footballing landscape is changing fast with US owners. The sensible spender is a relic, a dinosaur. What was once a valuable skill set in this league is fast becoming obsolete. He was unambitious 5-10 years ago. You imagine what he’ll be like 5-10 years from now when inflation really blows the game up. He’s already having to be clever in the market. It’s completely unsustainable for an ambitious club. We WILL drop down the league if we don’t start spending more money. History teaches us that.
posted on 31/8/23
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Now ain't THAT the truth
I never ever bring up the 1950 squad which contain Spurs legends Bill Nicholson, Alf Ramsey, Ron Burgess, Ted Ditchburn, Len Duquemin .... that won the second and first divisions in successive seasons.
posted on 31/8/23
Levy is the worst owner I can remember this club having. Others made huge errors for sure, but they learnt from them.
Supporting Spurs under Levy is like being that Greek god that was punished for cheating death by having to roll a rock up a hill and when he was nearly at the top it would roll down again and he would have to start all over.
Levy stripped all ambition to win things out of the club, we are a London event destination - not a football club.
Blokes a grade A priiick - but some on here love the mediocrity so he gets away with it
posted on 31/8/23
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
Another couple of years and you could have thrown in a relegation pre Levy.
You lot have never had it so good.
Best period to be a Spurs supporter was late 50s, early 60s.
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Trying to tell this generation they've never had it so good with one league cup in 20 years while harking back to the older years when only you were alive and telling us how great it was then, doesn't really work does it?
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Now ain't THAT the truth
I never ever bring up the 1950 squad which contain Spurs legends Bill Nicholson, Alf Ramsey, Ron Burgess, Ted Ditchburn, Len Duquemin .... that won the second and first divisions in successive seasons.
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Teams that lived up to “To dare is to do” yet under Levy our fans now say “To dare is to dear” - he has killed the club
posted on 31/8/23
Sillypusses!
posted on 1/9/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 59 minutes ago
I'm amazed you've not tried to replace Kane.
Probably means you're lining up Toney in January you think?
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The objective voice folks. Anyone still backing Levy should listen to this because even those with no stake in the game are gobsmacked how we operate. It’s an absolute scandal and those of you still backing Levy are genuinely part of the problem.
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So only those that are ante Levy have a voice then? Gotcha.
Just for the record, part of what problem? If supporting your owners, who to my knowledge have not committed any crimes, and are just trying to run the club proper in the era of the financially doped is a problem. Then I think it is you that has a problem.
posted on 1/9/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 hours, 40 minutes ago
And in response to Dev, he makes some good points. Levy has not been all bad. He’s done a very good job of running the business and operating a football club in the black. Problem is, that’s where his skill set lets us down. It’s all he’s good at. His ‘win’ is to climb the table spending the least amount of money. That’s the game he plays. He’s not in it for the success as we see it. He’s in it for the financial win. That’s what makes him tick so even if we got an investor on board, he wouldn’t relax and spend more. That’s not who he is. The game isn’t winning monopoly. It’s getting as far as you can without spending much money.
Also it’s worth pointing out that the footballing landscape is changing fast with US owners. The sensible spender is a relic, a dinosaur. What was once a valuable skill set in this league is fast becoming obsolete. He was unambitious 5-10 years ago. You imagine what he’ll be like 5-10 years from now when inflation really blows the game up. He’s already having to be clever in the market. It’s completely unsustainable for an ambitious club. We WILL drop down the league if we don’t start spending more money. History teaches us that.
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What a load of tosh. History doesn't teach us that at all. All history teaches us, is that spend beyond your means don't last very long. Are you suggesting Spurs spend on Chelsea levels for example, whilst still having to make payments on the stadium. You cannot have both that's why Chelsea are still playing in a decrepit old stadium. Spurs will grow over the next decade. Chelsea will stagnate, and probably be in serious financial trouble by the end of the decade.
posted on 1/9/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
And in response to Dev, he makes some good points. Levy has not been all bad. He’s done a very good job of running the business and operating a football club in the black. Problem is, that’s where his skill set lets us down. It’s all he’s good at. His ‘win’ is to climb the table spending the least amount of money. That’s the game he plays. He’s not in it for the success as we see it. He’s in it for the financial win. That’s what makes him tick so even if we got an investor on board, he wouldn’t relax and spend more. That’s not who he is. The game isn’t winning monopoly. It’s getting as far as you can without spending much money.
Also it’s worth pointing out that the footballing landscape is changing fast with US owners. The sensible spender is a relic, a dinosaur. What was once a valuable skill set in this league is fast becoming obsolete. He was unambitious 5-10 years ago. You imagine what he’ll be like 5-10 years from now when inflation really blows the game up. He’s already having to be clever in the market. It’s completely unsustainable for an ambitious club. We WILL drop down the league if we don’t start spending more money. History teaches us that.
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There is a difference between running a club sustainably and being in something for financial gain.
The argument that he's not interest in success, only profits is false as success = profit.
As for sustainable running of clubs being "a relic" this lays bare your ill considered idea of club ownership.
Where are all these clubs spending 100s if millions beyond their financial means.
Chelsea and City did it when the rules were lapse and developed their clubs into financial powerhouses. City are now sustainable having doped themselves to the top.
United Liverpool Arsenal all spend money they earn. Big wealthy clubs who can afford to spend big.
Spurs also spend big.
How we go about spending that money is a different matter and there is a much evidence to show that we have wasted a lot and the way we get deals done makes our life harder.
You seem to want a Todd Boehly approach to ownership and see that as some new way of owning a club. It isn't. They got the club under value leaving them room to spend wildly. They have rolled the dice massively and are banking on success. Failure to get that success could ruin them. Their fans should be genuinely worried about the fall out of a failure to achieve UCL this season.
I would not want our owners to be playing such a risky game with our club.
So long as we spend what we earn and seek to maximise earnings and investment, then we cannot ask the owners to do more than that, financially. We can demand they put the best structures in place to ensure we give ourselves the best chance of success and that is probably where we have failed in recent years, unable to develop an identity and an ethos that is driven towards success at all levels of the club. City are a great example of how this can be achieved. Our owners have not done this and its been a mess and this is where the strongest criticism should lie...not the fact they havent gambled the clubs future by spending 1bn in 12 months.
posted on 1/9/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
And in response to Dev, he makes some good points. Levy has not been all bad. He’s done a very good job of running the business and operating a football club in the black. Problem is, that’s where his skill set lets us down. It’s all he’s good at. His ‘win’ is to climb the table spending the least amount of money. That’s the game he plays. He’s not in it for the success as we see it. He’s in it for the financial win. That’s what makes him tick so even if we got an investor on board, he wouldn’t relax and spend more. That’s not who he is. The game isn’t winning monopoly. It’s getting as far as you can without spending much money.
Also it’s worth pointing out that the footballing landscape is changing fast with US owners. The sensible spender is a relic, a dinosaur. What was once a valuable skill set in this league is fast becoming obsolete. He was unambitious 5-10 years ago. You imagine what he’ll be like 5-10 years from now when inflation really blows the game up. He’s already having to be clever in the market. It’s completely unsustainable for an ambitious club. We WILL drop down the league if we don’t start spending more money. History teaches us that.
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There is a difference between running a club sustainably and being in something for financial gain.
The argument that he's not interest in success, only profits is false as success = profit.
As for sustainable running of clubs being "a relic" this lays bare your ill considered idea of club ownership.
Where are all these clubs spending 100s if millions beyond their financial means.
Chelsea and City did it when the rules were lapse and developed their clubs into financial powerhouses. City are now sustainable having doped themselves to the top.
United Liverpool Arsenal all spend money they earn. Big wealthy clubs who can afford to spend big.
Spurs also spend big.
How we go about spending that money is a different matter and there is a much evidence to show that we have wasted a lot and the way we get deals done makes our life harder.
You seem to want a Todd Boehly approach to ownership and see that as some new way of owning a club. It isn't. They got the club under value leaving them room to spend wildly. They have rolled the dice massively and are banking on success. Failure to get that success could ruin them. Their fans should be genuinely worried about the fall out of a failure to achieve UCL this season.
I would not want our owners to be playing such a risky game with our club.
So long as we spend what we earn and seek to maximise earnings and investment, then we cannot ask the owners to do more than that, financially. We can demand they put the best structures in place to ensure we give ourselves the best chance of success and that is probably where we have failed in recent years, unable to develop an identity and an ethos that is driven towards success at all levels of the club. City are a great example of how this can be achieved. Our owners have not done this and its been a mess and this is where the strongest criticism should lie...not the fact they havent gambled the clubs future by spending 1bn in 12 months.
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Levy can make profits without success on the pitch, that is a problem.
Spurs spend way below their financial means, that is another problem.
These owners are not delivering success on the pitch, and should fack off out of Spurs.
posted on 1/9/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
And in response to Dev, he makes some good points. Levy has not been all bad. He’s done a very good job of running the business and operating a football club in the black. Problem is, that’s where his skill set lets us down. It’s all he’s good at. His ‘win’ is to climb the table spending the least amount of money. That’s the game he plays. He’s not in it for the success as we see it. He’s in it for the financial win. That’s what makes him tick so even if we got an investor on board, he wouldn’t relax and spend more. That’s not who he is. The game isn’t winning monopoly. It’s getting as far as you can without spending much money.
Also it’s worth pointing out that the footballing landscape is changing fast with US owners. The sensible spender is a relic, a dinosaur. What was once a valuable skill set in this league is fast becoming obsolete. He was unambitious 5-10 years ago. You imagine what he’ll be like 5-10 years from now when inflation really blows the game up. He’s already having to be clever in the market. It’s completely unsustainable for an ambitious club. We WILL drop down the league if we don’t start spending more money. History teaches us that.
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There is a difference between running a club sustainably and being in something for financial gain.
The argument that he's not interest in success, only profits is false as success = profit.
As for sustainable running of clubs being "a relic" this lays bare your ill considered idea of club ownership.
Where are all these clubs spending 100s if millions beyond their financial means.
Chelsea and City did it when the rules were lapse and developed their clubs into financial powerhouses. City are now sustainable having doped themselves to the top.
United Liverpool Arsenal all spend money they earn. Big wealthy clubs who can afford to spend big.
Spurs also spend big.
How we go about spending that money is a different matter and there is a much evidence to show that we have wasted a lot and the way we get deals done makes our life harder.
You seem to want a Todd Boehly approach to ownership and see that as some new way of owning a club. It isn't. They got the club under value leaving them room to spend wildly. They have rolled the dice massively and are banking on success. Failure to get that success could ruin them. Their fans should be genuinely worried about the fall out of a failure to achieve UCL this season.
I would not want our owners to be playing such a risky game with our club.
So long as we spend what we earn and seek to maximise earnings and investment, then we cannot ask the owners to do more than that, financially. We can demand they put the best structures in place to ensure we give ourselves the best chance of success and that is probably where we have failed in recent years, unable to develop an identity and an ethos that is driven towards success at all levels of the club. City are a great example of how this can be achieved. Our owners have not done this and its been a mess and this is where the strongest criticism should lie...not the fact they havent gambled the clubs future by spending 1bn in 12 months.
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Chelsea's policy is a major gamble. I totally get that and I agree that I definitely wouldn't want that at our club. The problem is though that, unlike most of the top six, we tend to wait until the balance sheet says we can spend before actually going for it. Arsenal, for example, after many seasons without CL football, shouldn't have the kind of revenue that's seeing them spend so big in the transfer market, but they are. Success on the pitch should breed ambition in the board room. They finished 2nd last year, qualified for the CL and absolutely went for it in the transfer window. We don't yet know how many of those signings will work out but the intent is there. When we finished 2nd I don't think we signed anyone. That's the headline. You CANNOT, or rarely gain any level of success without gambling a little with possible future earnings. That's what the -400m FFP 3-5 year allowance is there for. It's a short term safety net to encourage ambition. I don't think we've spent a penny of ENIC's money to even go into the red, aside from the supposed inject of funds that wasn't used up when Conte came in.
And Billy is right. ENIC's focus financially is away from the pitch. They're making profits in events, not football management. I have my doubts that the revenue gained from hosting NFL and music acts goes back into the club. He will operate them all as separate entities. Revenue streams from NFL will go back into improving the NFL experience. Music acts money will go back into improving that experience and so on. The stadium was supposed to be a game-changer and whilst I understand inflation has changed all that, prior to the stadium being built we were the 6th highest spenders and we're still in that bracket. In fact we're probably lower now because other clubs are catching up. Newcastle will overtake us and we're now competing with Brentford and Brighton. Tottenham Hotspur, competing with those two. Welcome to Daniel Levy's ownership model.
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