Urgh, building for the future is such a f*cking cop out.
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 minutes ago
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
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To most with eyes and a football understanding, Spurs under Ange go out and try and win football matches.
Not through sitting back and hoping for a moment of magic, but through effort, possession, attacking intent and shots on goal.
At this moment in time, we may not yet have the quality and experience to challenge Arsenal at home, probably our toughest game every season, but i am pretty sure we will be trying to win, so that will please you....although I doubt it
Yes we’re a “team in transition”
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Going back to the main topic though, I've got a feeling we're in for a bit of a rude awakening and I'm totally fine with it. As far as I'm concerned we've yet to be truly tested. So far we've played...
Brentford - without Toney, game could have gone either way.
Man United - routinely outplayed by every team they've faced this season.
Bournemouth - Poor team getting used to a new manager
Burnley - easy win against a crazy open team
Sheffield United - needed a heroic last 10 mins to avoid a loss.
Two promoted teams, one a favourite for the drop, a Brentford side without their man man and one of the worst United teams I've ever seen.
Sunday will tell us more than any of these games where we really are and I've got a feeling that Ange's open high line will get exposed a lot so we might be on the end of a heavy loss. That said, I'm okay with that. I'd rather us be on this journey of getting used to Ange's style and taking the odd heavy defeat along the way, than camping in on the edge of our own box looking for a smash and grab, as it was under Conte. If we want the 3 points, Conte is the man for this fixture. If you want a team to be well drilled, playing a specific way for future growth then Ange is your man, but accept that defeats to teams like Arsenal will happen.
The days of defeats and draws to lower sides are gone because we press high and push for a win but equally playing that means more defeats against the bigger teams that are further along in their development. We might lose on Sunday and to be honest I think we probably will and I'm totally with it. We've made a great start playing the right way. I think we can swallow a defeat here and there. Full steam ahead on the Ange train, whatever the result.
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I think on paper it seems like a relatively gentle run of games BUT you have to factor in our circumstances.
We should be expected to beat Utd because they've been shiiit so far???....Not sure that is fair as this was our 2nd game under Ange vs a team well resourced and with a settled manager who were expected to do well this season.
And this applies to all our games. We have new players young players lost Kane and a new manager.....so in these circumstances we cannot expect to win games that a strong Spurs should expect to win.
So for me the start remains very good, despite the level of fixtures because, we are a brand new work in progress but have delivered results and performances already. This does not always happen, look at Chelsea for example.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Yes we’re a “team in transition”
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Do hibernate! and we'll wake you up when there's nothing to moan about !
Wake me up when we’ve actually won something. Oh no wait, I’ll be long dead by then.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
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Don't agree with this outlook. Winning the next game isn't all that matters. The bigger picture is far more important. Building an identity, a style of play and a strong squad may give you plenty of big wins in the future rather than a win at all costs attitude in a one off game and then fumble around blindly for results after that.
Any team can raise themselves occasionally and play above their skillset but the really good teams play at a consistently high level week in week out (hate that phrase btw) which you will only obtain with a settled side and style of play which will take time.
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
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Don't agree with this outlook. Winning the next game isn't all that matters.
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Yes, it really is. It’s quite literally the whole point of sport.
Besides EVEY season it’s “we’re a team in transition” and I’m really f*cking bored of it.
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
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Don't agree with this outlook. Winning the next game isn't all that matters. The bigger picture is far more important. Building an identity, a style of play and a strong squad may give you plenty of big wins in the future rather than a win at all costs attitude in a one off game and then fumble around blindly for results after that.
Any team can raise themselves occasionally and play above their skillset but the really good teams play at a consistently high level week in week out (hate that phrase btw) which you will only obtain with a settled side and style of play which will take time.
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100% this and I'm surprised Automatic can't see that. If the only thing that mattered was the next game then you'd see every single manager up and down the country changing their tactical approach to suit the next opponent. They don't. They stick to a philosophy, not because they're headstrong and blinkered, but because they believe that, long-term, it will give their team a greater chance of sustainable success. I'd take that every day of the week.
It's the difference between playing your way and eventually seeing the results vs panicking after 70 mins and getting in the mixer fast.
Brighton under Chris Hughton did what they could to stay in the league and there was some really dodgy periods under Potter to start with but they stuck with it and look where they are now based on having a clear way of playing and an recruitment model to suit it. They now win more games than they did back then. Many more. If they hadn't changed they'd still be doing the same thing - defending deep to stay in the division. It worked then and it got them results but they changed things up because it's not just about the next game. It's about the long term vision.
I know what you're getting at Automatic but despite the rhetoric from Ange himself - I can imagine him talking about the next game only to temper expectation a little, he has a plan that stretches beyond the next game. Christ, what kind of manager doesn't have a long term plan? It's utter nonsense that it's the whole point of sport. To not even consider that a doing a 180 degree turn in terms of style brings short term pain for long term gain. How can you not even see that?
THAT's why I'm okay with losing on Sunday because I'm fully on board with the long term vision of the club. You might not want to look any further than the next game but the losses will come and you need to start looking at them as nothing more than a dropped stitch in the tapestry Ange is building. It's crazy to see it any other way.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
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Don't agree with this outlook. Winning the next game isn't all that matters. The bigger picture is far more important. Building an identity, a style of play and a strong squad may give you plenty of big wins in the future rather than a win at all costs attitude in a one off game and then fumble around blindly for results after that.
Any team can raise themselves occasionally and play above their skillset but the really good teams play at a consistently high level week in week out (hate that phrase btw) which you will only obtain with a settled side and style of play which will take time.
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100% this and I'm surprised Automatic can't see that. If the only thing that mattered was the next game then you'd see every single manager up and down the country changing their tactical approach to suit the next opponent. They don't. They stick to a philosophy, not because they're headstrong and blinkered, but because they believe that, long-term, it will give their team a greater chance of sustainable success. I'd take that every day of the week.
It's the difference between playing your way and eventually seeing the results vs panicking after 70 mins and getting in the mixer fast.
Brighton under Chris Hughton did what they could to stay in the league and there was some really dodgy periods under Potter to start with but they stuck with it and look where they are now based on having a clear way of playing and an recruitment model to suit it. They now win more games than they did back then. Many more. If they hadn't changed they'd still be doing the same thing - defending deep to stay in the division. It worked then and it got them results but they changed things up because it's not just about the next game. It's about the long term vision.
I know what you're getting at Automatic but despite the rhetoric from Ange himself - I can imagine him talking about the next game only to temper expectation a little, he has a plan that stretches beyond the next game. Christ, what kind of manager doesn't have a long term plan? It's utter nonsense that it's the whole point of sport. To not even consider that a doing a 180 degree turn in terms of style brings short term pain for long term gain. How can you not even see that?
THAT's why I'm okay with losing on Sunday because I'm fully on board with the long term vision of the club. You might not want to look any further than the next game but the losses will come and you need to start looking at them as nothing more than a dropped stitch in the tapestry Ange is building. It's crazy to see it any other way.
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Ok, well you clearly have much more faith in the process and the club’s vision than I do.
I recognise that Levy is the problem but we've finally got a manager in for me that echoes the same philosophies as Poch and we had some seriously good times back then.
I'm curious as to what makes you lack faith in the current set up besides Levy. We now have a front foot manager with a long term plan and are spending more wisely and future-proofing the club because the 'win now' approach was always doomed to fail. I can't see what else you'd want but a Middle Eastern buy out to become the next City, Chelsea or PSG.
For all his faults, I think Levy has finally got things right whether it's by design or accident.
I defer to big Ange on all issues
"No, no, no, let them go, let them go and enjoy it. My role is not to burst people's bubbles. Let them get excited, let them get ahead of themselves. That's the beauty of being a supporter. They go through enough pain mate, you want to let them enjoy it. If they think we're going to be world beaters then great, that's up to us to match that expectation. Our supporters deserve to have some happiness and enjoy it any way they want to."
people are far too worried about the inevitable come down and "Laugh at Spurs" articles when we lose a game. just enjoy it for what it is, a huge improvement on what we've had the last few years.
comment by Christoglou (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
I defer to big Ange on all issues
"No, no, no, let them go, let them go and enjoy it. My role is not to burst people's bubbles. Let them get excited, let them get ahead of themselves. That's the beauty of being a supporter. They go through enough pain mate, you want to let them enjoy it. If they think we're going to be world beaters then great, that's up to us to match that expectation. Our supporters deserve to have some happiness and enjoy it any way they want to."
people are far too worried about the inevitable come down and "Laugh at Spurs" articles when we lose a game. just enjoy it for what it is, a huge improvement on what we've had the last few years.
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It’s not that, I was just questioning why he would be fine if we lose.
For me it will just mean same old Spurs, who never do it when it really matters.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Christoglou (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
I defer to big Ange on all issues
"No, no, no, let them go, let them go and enjoy it. My role is not to burst people's bubbles. Let them get excited, let them get ahead of themselves. That's the beauty of being a supporter. They go through enough pain mate, you want to let them enjoy it. If they think we're going to be world beaters then great, that's up to us to match that expectation. Our supporters deserve to have some happiness and enjoy it any way they want to."
people are far too worried about the inevitable come down and "Laugh at Spurs" articles when we lose a game. just enjoy it for what it is, a huge improvement on what we've had the last few years.
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It’s not that, I was just questioning why he would be fine if we lose.
For me it will just mean same old Spurs, who never do it when it really matters.
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That obsession with 'winning now' is what made us appoint Conte and Jose, in part probably down to a desperation to keep Harry, but it just doesn't work if you don't have the money to win quickly. You have to find another way.
I'm not fine with losing but I am fine with the occasional hiccup on our path to success.
Levy`s vision is regular CL participation and nothing more, any trophies picked up along the way are just a bonus.
Levy is a master at keeping the fans in this operating within our means bubble, the constant pleading of poverty and refusal to ever push the boat out tempers the expectations of many fans and maintains the losers mentality.
The last thing Levy wants is to give the fans a taste for silverware, as they will demand it every season. An elite club mentality creates more headaches for the owners, hence why Levy is content with CL qualification and no more.
Levy out.
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posted on 22/9/23
Urgh, building for the future is such a f*cking cop out.
posted on 22/9/23
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
posted on 22/9/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 minutes ago
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
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To most with eyes and a football understanding, Spurs under Ange go out and try and win football matches.
Not through sitting back and hoping for a moment of magic, but through effort, possession, attacking intent and shots on goal.
At this moment in time, we may not yet have the quality and experience to challenge Arsenal at home, probably our toughest game every season, but i am pretty sure we will be trying to win, so that will please you....although I doubt it
posted on 22/9/23
Yes we’re a “team in transition”
posted on 22/9/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Going back to the main topic though, I've got a feeling we're in for a bit of a rude awakening and I'm totally fine with it. As far as I'm concerned we've yet to be truly tested. So far we've played...
Brentford - without Toney, game could have gone either way.
Man United - routinely outplayed by every team they've faced this season.
Bournemouth - Poor team getting used to a new manager
Burnley - easy win against a crazy open team
Sheffield United - needed a heroic last 10 mins to avoid a loss.
Two promoted teams, one a favourite for the drop, a Brentford side without their man man and one of the worst United teams I've ever seen.
Sunday will tell us more than any of these games where we really are and I've got a feeling that Ange's open high line will get exposed a lot so we might be on the end of a heavy loss. That said, I'm okay with that. I'd rather us be on this journey of getting used to Ange's style and taking the odd heavy defeat along the way, than camping in on the edge of our own box looking for a smash and grab, as it was under Conte. If we want the 3 points, Conte is the man for this fixture. If you want a team to be well drilled, playing a specific way for future growth then Ange is your man, but accept that defeats to teams like Arsenal will happen.
The days of defeats and draws to lower sides are gone because we press high and push for a win but equally playing that means more defeats against the bigger teams that are further along in their development. We might lose on Sunday and to be honest I think we probably will and I'm totally with it. We've made a great start playing the right way. I think we can swallow a defeat here and there. Full steam ahead on the Ange train, whatever the result.
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I think on paper it seems like a relatively gentle run of games BUT you have to factor in our circumstances.
We should be expected to beat Utd because they've been shiiit so far???....Not sure that is fair as this was our 2nd game under Ange vs a team well resourced and with a settled manager who were expected to do well this season.
And this applies to all our games. We have new players young players lost Kane and a new manager.....so in these circumstances we cannot expect to win games that a strong Spurs should expect to win.
So for me the start remains very good, despite the level of fixtures because, we are a brand new work in progress but have delivered results and performances already. This does not always happen, look at Chelsea for example.
posted on 22/9/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Yes we’re a “team in transition”
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Do hibernate! and we'll wake you up when there's nothing to moan about !
posted on 22/9/23
Wake me up when we’ve actually won something. Oh no wait, I’ll be long dead by then.
posted on 22/9/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
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Don't agree with this outlook. Winning the next game isn't all that matters. The bigger picture is far more important. Building an identity, a style of play and a strong squad may give you plenty of big wins in the future rather than a win at all costs attitude in a one off game and then fumble around blindly for results after that.
Any team can raise themselves occasionally and play above their skillset but the really good teams play at a consistently high level week in week out (hate that phrase btw) which you will only obtain with a settled side and style of play which will take time.
posted on 22/9/23
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
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Don't agree with this outlook. Winning the next game isn't all that matters.
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Yes, it really is. It’s quite literally the whole point of sport.
Besides EVEY season it’s “we’re a team in transition” and I’m really f*cking bored of it.
posted on 22/9/23
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
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Don't agree with this outlook. Winning the next game isn't all that matters. The bigger picture is far more important. Building an identity, a style of play and a strong squad may give you plenty of big wins in the future rather than a win at all costs attitude in a one off game and then fumble around blindly for results after that.
Any team can raise themselves occasionally and play above their skillset but the really good teams play at a consistently high level week in week out (hate that phrase btw) which you will only obtain with a settled side and style of play which will take time.
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100% this and I'm surprised Automatic can't see that. If the only thing that mattered was the next game then you'd see every single manager up and down the country changing their tactical approach to suit the next opponent. They don't. They stick to a philosophy, not because they're headstrong and blinkered, but because they believe that, long-term, it will give their team a greater chance of sustainable success. I'd take that every day of the week.
It's the difference between playing your way and eventually seeing the results vs panicking after 70 mins and getting in the mixer fast.
Brighton under Chris Hughton did what they could to stay in the league and there was some really dodgy periods under Potter to start with but they stuck with it and look where they are now based on having a clear way of playing and an recruitment model to suit it. They now win more games than they did back then. Many more. If they hadn't changed they'd still be doing the same thing - defending deep to stay in the division. It worked then and it got them results but they changed things up because it's not just about the next game. It's about the long term vision.
I know what you're getting at Automatic but despite the rhetoric from Ange himself - I can imagine him talking about the next game only to temper expectation a little, he has a plan that stretches beyond the next game. Christ, what kind of manager doesn't have a long term plan? It's utter nonsense that it's the whole point of sport. To not even consider that a doing a 180 degree turn in terms of style brings short term pain for long term gain. How can you not even see that?
THAT's why I'm okay with losing on Sunday because I'm fully on board with the long term vision of the club. You might not want to look any further than the next game but the losses will come and you need to start looking at them as nothing more than a dropped stitch in the tapestry Ange is building. It's crazy to see it any other way.
posted on 22/9/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
We ain’t building Jack. The squad is the squad and all that should matter is trying to win the next game.
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Don't agree with this outlook. Winning the next game isn't all that matters. The bigger picture is far more important. Building an identity, a style of play and a strong squad may give you plenty of big wins in the future rather than a win at all costs attitude in a one off game and then fumble around blindly for results after that.
Any team can raise themselves occasionally and play above their skillset but the really good teams play at a consistently high level week in week out (hate that phrase btw) which you will only obtain with a settled side and style of play which will take time.
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100% this and I'm surprised Automatic can't see that. If the only thing that mattered was the next game then you'd see every single manager up and down the country changing their tactical approach to suit the next opponent. They don't. They stick to a philosophy, not because they're headstrong and blinkered, but because they believe that, long-term, it will give their team a greater chance of sustainable success. I'd take that every day of the week.
It's the difference between playing your way and eventually seeing the results vs panicking after 70 mins and getting in the mixer fast.
Brighton under Chris Hughton did what they could to stay in the league and there was some really dodgy periods under Potter to start with but they stuck with it and look where they are now based on having a clear way of playing and an recruitment model to suit it. They now win more games than they did back then. Many more. If they hadn't changed they'd still be doing the same thing - defending deep to stay in the division. It worked then and it got them results but they changed things up because it's not just about the next game. It's about the long term vision.
I know what you're getting at Automatic but despite the rhetoric from Ange himself - I can imagine him talking about the next game only to temper expectation a little, he has a plan that stretches beyond the next game. Christ, what kind of manager doesn't have a long term plan? It's utter nonsense that it's the whole point of sport. To not even consider that a doing a 180 degree turn in terms of style brings short term pain for long term gain. How can you not even see that?
THAT's why I'm okay with losing on Sunday because I'm fully on board with the long term vision of the club. You might not want to look any further than the next game but the losses will come and you need to start looking at them as nothing more than a dropped stitch in the tapestry Ange is building. It's crazy to see it any other way.
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Ok, well you clearly have much more faith in the process and the club’s vision than I do.
posted on 22/9/23
I recognise that Levy is the problem but we've finally got a manager in for me that echoes the same philosophies as Poch and we had some seriously good times back then.
I'm curious as to what makes you lack faith in the current set up besides Levy. We now have a front foot manager with a long term plan and are spending more wisely and future-proofing the club because the 'win now' approach was always doomed to fail. I can't see what else you'd want but a Middle Eastern buy out to become the next City, Chelsea or PSG.
For all his faults, I think Levy has finally got things right whether it's by design or accident.
posted on 22/9/23
I defer to big Ange on all issues
"No, no, no, let them go, let them go and enjoy it. My role is not to burst people's bubbles. Let them get excited, let them get ahead of themselves. That's the beauty of being a supporter. They go through enough pain mate, you want to let them enjoy it. If they think we're going to be world beaters then great, that's up to us to match that expectation. Our supporters deserve to have some happiness and enjoy it any way they want to."
people are far too worried about the inevitable come down and "Laugh at Spurs" articles when we lose a game. just enjoy it for what it is, a huge improvement on what we've had the last few years.
posted on 22/9/23
comment by Christoglou (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
I defer to big Ange on all issues
"No, no, no, let them go, let them go and enjoy it. My role is not to burst people's bubbles. Let them get excited, let them get ahead of themselves. That's the beauty of being a supporter. They go through enough pain mate, you want to let them enjoy it. If they think we're going to be world beaters then great, that's up to us to match that expectation. Our supporters deserve to have some happiness and enjoy it any way they want to."
people are far too worried about the inevitable come down and "Laugh at Spurs" articles when we lose a game. just enjoy it for what it is, a huge improvement on what we've had the last few years.
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It’s not that, I was just questioning why he would be fine if we lose.
For me it will just mean same old Spurs, who never do it when it really matters.
posted on 22/9/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Christoglou (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
I defer to big Ange on all issues
"No, no, no, let them go, let them go and enjoy it. My role is not to burst people's bubbles. Let them get excited, let them get ahead of themselves. That's the beauty of being a supporter. They go through enough pain mate, you want to let them enjoy it. If they think we're going to be world beaters then great, that's up to us to match that expectation. Our supporters deserve to have some happiness and enjoy it any way they want to."
people are far too worried about the inevitable come down and "Laugh at Spurs" articles when we lose a game. just enjoy it for what it is, a huge improvement on what we've had the last few years.
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It’s not that, I was just questioning why he would be fine if we lose.
For me it will just mean same old Spurs, who never do it when it really matters.
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That obsession with 'winning now' is what made us appoint Conte and Jose, in part probably down to a desperation to keep Harry, but it just doesn't work if you don't have the money to win quickly. You have to find another way.
I'm not fine with losing but I am fine with the occasional hiccup on our path to success.
posted on 23/9/23
Levy`s vision is regular CL participation and nothing more, any trophies picked up along the way are just a bonus.
Levy is a master at keeping the fans in this operating within our means bubble, the constant pleading of poverty and refusal to ever push the boat out tempers the expectations of many fans and maintains the losers mentality.
The last thing Levy wants is to give the fans a taste for silverware, as they will demand it every season. An elite club mentality creates more headaches for the owners, hence why Levy is content with CL qualification and no more.
Levy out.
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