*Raya
I don't have anything against him but you can see he's uncomfortable in his own skin at the moment. Why? Because he knows Ramsdale did nothing to deserve to be dropped. That's a nasty kind of pressure to feel that you haven't been given the opportunity and made #1 fairly.
Ramsdale was brilliant last season and imho was one of the reasons we were in a title race, I still don't understand the desperation to change him.
Raya is clearly smaller, at times he looked like a midget today and he simply doesn't have the reach to make stunning saves imho.
We are lucky City didn't test him today, he messed up early on and they should have scored. Other than that they barely had a shot let alone shot on target.
He hardly gave the goal away against lens. There was still a lot for them to do to score the goal, and even then it was an unbelievable finish.
Rayas not been convincing but arteta is trying a new way of playing with the GK. It's new for us, and new for Raya. I hope it's simply a matter of time - both Raya and the team need to get used to it.
Raya was nervy for sure. The crowd getting his back for carrying out Arteta's instructions was a bit stupid and didn't help though.
We all love Ramsdale, but Raya is an upgrade in Arteta's eyes though so fans need to accept it and get behind him.
3 games out of the last 4 in my book - he was shaky against Spurs too.
Miss Ramsdale, he had faults but he was easy to love.
Arteta changed 'keepers after the last international break, maybe he will do it again? Doubtful.
I think I will feel better about him if I see him make some outstanding saves because I've seen Ramsdale make plenty and some of the goals Raya has let in left me feeling Ramsdale may have got fingertips to them 😬
He made that stunner against Spurs, then flapped at the very next cross.
I believe Raya is firmly arsenal's no.1 keeper now. I think arteta is willing to look past his mistakes because he is fronting up and playing the risky passes that ramsdale often shied away from.
It's a delicate situation however, and Raya really needs to improve his consistency.
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 16 minutes ago
He hardly gave the goal away against lens. There was still a lot for them to do to score the goal, and even then it was an unbelievable finish.
Rayas not been convincing but arteta is trying a new way of playing with the GK. It's new for us, and new for Raya. I hope it's simply a matter of time - both Raya and the team need to get used to it.
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Wasn't Raya bought for his skills in playing out from the back, not seen much evidence that he's an improvement on Ramsdale yet. Under the normal way of things he would be dropped following his recent uninspiring performances but I cant see that happening unless god forbid he drops a real clanger.
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comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 16 minutes ago
He hardly gave the goal away against lens. There was still a lot for them to do to score the goal, and even then it was an unbelievable finish.
Rayas not been convincing but arteta is trying a new way of playing with the GK. It's new for us, and new for Raya. I hope it's simply a matter of time - both Raya and the team need to get used to it.
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Wasn't Raya bought for his skills in playing out from the back, not seen much evidence that he's an improvement on Ramsdale yet. Under the normal way of things he would be dropped following his recent uninspiring performances but I cant see that happening unless god forbid he drops a real clanger.
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It's more than just playing pretty passes. We're seeing Raya occupy the vacant CB space when the full back inverts, we're also seeing him come way out of goal to help the team in possession.
I didn't see much of him at Brentford but I doubt they played like this. Certainly arteta didn't force ramsdale too.
I think we have to remember that as much as many of us like Ramsdale he did also have plenty of shaky moments and we saw him kick the ball out straight to opposition players when attempting a pass a fair bit too.
It was a good save that one against Spurs DJ but I want to know he can stop some of those ones that appear unstoppable if you get my drift, the full stretch top corner type.
Raya does look a little better on the ball. My gut feeling though is that he's a little weaker as a shot stopper.
1)spell his name right……it’s 4 letters ffs
2) fans need to get behind the team….he’s been in goal for what….4 games? Rambo has had 2 full seasons and fans were openly mocking him when he signed.
Can't really blame Raya for following the gaffer's orders.
Arteta was very categorical in his praise for the goalkeeper during the post-match interview.
There's no point booting every ball forward when your front 3 is made up of lads who are all 5 foot 9.
https://twitter.com/iOkmm/status/1711089531410075996?t=LOYbd52zEfInJYzlHcZXAQ&s=19
there we have it. ramsdale needs to change the way he plays to get back in.
Yes, he was shaky first half but still came up with some excellent passes, especially to Jesus. Ramsdale doesn't have that ability
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 15 hours, 22 minutes ago
He made that stunner against Spurs, then flapped at the very next cross.
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Stunner is a strong word. It was a very good reaction save but on second viewing wasn't that far from him. I'd have expected Ramsdale to have also made that save, and that's the issue - could Raya have made some of the saves Ramsdale has? I'd have to believe he couldn't have. He hasn't shown us anything that suggests otherwise.
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 6 hours, 48 minutes ago
Yes, he was shaky first half but still came up with some excellent passes, especially to Jesus. Ramsdale doesn't have that ability
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Ramsdale's inability with his feet is to me less of a loss that Raya's shot stopping. Keeping the ball out is the first objective of goalkeeping and so far I haven't seen anything to suggest Raya is better than Ramsdale at that. On balance I would expect Ramsdale to make the saves Raya has, but don't think I could say likewise the other way.
Rui and I are on the same wavelength here.
If ramsdale was a consistent, world class shot stopper then I'd be massively against Raya, but let's face it, he's not.
Raya has had some nervy moments, but he's also had some excellent ones. I'm willing to give him time, as he really did help us control the game in the 2nd half yesterday.
Ramsdale has the ability to make world class saves as he has showcased numerous times already in an Arsenal shirt, is he going to make them every time? No, no goalkeeper is going to make every world class save they potentially could.
However, Raya from what I've witnessed so far doesn't look to have that ability, physically he genuinely doesn't look like he has the reach to make those types of saves. Several of the goals that slipped past his fingers so far left me feeling like Ramsdale may have stopped them.
He may look a little better on the ball but even that aspect of his game has not wowed me given how nervy he's looked at times and how he has kicked it straight to opposition a number of times already just like Ramsdale did occasionally as well.
What are the excellent moments you are referring to? The save against Spurs was good but didn't blow me away like some of Ramsdale's saves have in the past.
I'm not saying ramsdale needs to make world class saves every game. An issue with ramsdale is he lets in a fair amount of shots that could have been fairly routine saves. Not quite dollies, but a decent save keeps them out.
Raya's save against spurs was excellent. I get we all like Ramsdale, but it's ok to call that save as it was, a brilliant piece of goalkeeping. But it's not just that, there have been excellent pieces of long distribution, attracting players for the press and passing through them, he's calmly caught some dangerous crosses too.
He obviously hasn't been perfect, but I'm willing to give him time to settle into a new team as I feel the way he plays can help us control games a lot better.
That is true, Ramsdale did let some silly ones slip in fair point.
If we were to scale it like: average, good, excellent, world class then I would agree it was excellent because of the reactions but it was fairly close to his body. I still would like to see him make a 'world class' save if you get my drift, I feel there is another level up from there which would be outstanding aka world class.
Agree on the long distribution and passes through the lines but I have also seen Ramsdale perform these too many times
He does look good in general with the crosses but also has had some errors in judgement there like the one he didn't quite get his hand to that Haaland nearly headed in on Sunday. Initially I thought he looks better than Ramsdale at claiming crosses but I'm now back to thinking there is not much difference there.
Neither of them are perfect or have been perfect. The difference between them for me boils down to your preference on the following, or rather the manager's preference: do you want your #1 to be slightly better on the ball or slightly better at saving the seemingly un-saveable.
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 6 days, 17 hours ago
Yes, he was shaky first half but still came up with some excellent passes, especially to Jesus. Ramsdale doesn't have that ability
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Since when? I swear I remember everyone praising Ramsdale's passing and distribution numerous times after watching him pinging balls up the pitch to MFs and Forwards with pinpoint precision.
Reya doesn't command the defence and team like Ramsdale either. Pound for pound Ramsdale is more beneficial to this Arsenal team and this a big mistake on the manager's part. City game showed it in spades
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posted on 8/10/23
*Raya
I don't have anything against him but you can see he's uncomfortable in his own skin at the moment. Why? Because he knows Ramsdale did nothing to deserve to be dropped. That's a nasty kind of pressure to feel that you haven't been given the opportunity and made #1 fairly.
Ramsdale was brilliant last season and imho was one of the reasons we were in a title race, I still don't understand the desperation to change him.
Raya is clearly smaller, at times he looked like a midget today and he simply doesn't have the reach to make stunning saves imho.
We are lucky City didn't test him today, he messed up early on and they should have scored. Other than that they barely had a shot let alone shot on target.
posted on 8/10/23
He hardly gave the goal away against lens. There was still a lot for them to do to score the goal, and even then it was an unbelievable finish.
Rayas not been convincing but arteta is trying a new way of playing with the GK. It's new for us, and new for Raya. I hope it's simply a matter of time - both Raya and the team need to get used to it.
posted on 8/10/23
Raya was nervy for sure. The crowd getting his back for carrying out Arteta's instructions was a bit stupid and didn't help though.
We all love Ramsdale, but Raya is an upgrade in Arteta's eyes though so fans need to accept it and get behind him.
posted on 8/10/23
3 games out of the last 4 in my book - he was shaky against Spurs too.
Miss Ramsdale, he had faults but he was easy to love.
Arteta changed 'keepers after the last international break, maybe he will do it again? Doubtful.
posted on 8/10/23
I think I will feel better about him if I see him make some outstanding saves because I've seen Ramsdale make plenty and some of the goals Raya has let in left me feeling Ramsdale may have got fingertips to them 😬
posted on 8/10/23
He made that stunner against Spurs, then flapped at the very next cross.
posted on 8/10/23
I believe Raya is firmly arsenal's no.1 keeper now. I think arteta is willing to look past his mistakes because he is fronting up and playing the risky passes that ramsdale often shied away from.
It's a delicate situation however, and Raya really needs to improve his consistency.
posted on 8/10/23
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 16 minutes ago
He hardly gave the goal away against lens. There was still a lot for them to do to score the goal, and even then it was an unbelievable finish.
Rayas not been convincing but arteta is trying a new way of playing with the GK. It's new for us, and new for Raya. I hope it's simply a matter of time - both Raya and the team need to get used to it.
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Wasn't Raya bought for his skills in playing out from the back, not seen much evidence that he's an improvement on Ramsdale yet. Under the normal way of things he would be dropped following his recent uninspiring performances but I cant see that happening unless god forbid he drops a real clanger.
posted on 8/10/23
comment by (U3265)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 16 minutes ago
He hardly gave the goal away against lens. There was still a lot for them to do to score the goal, and even then it was an unbelievable finish.
Rayas not been convincing but arteta is trying a new way of playing with the GK. It's new for us, and new for Raya. I hope it's simply a matter of time - both Raya and the team need to get used to it.
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Wasn't Raya bought for his skills in playing out from the back, not seen much evidence that he's an improvement on Ramsdale yet. Under the normal way of things he would be dropped following his recent uninspiring performances but I cant see that happening unless god forbid he drops a real clanger.
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It's more than just playing pretty passes. We're seeing Raya occupy the vacant CB space when the full back inverts, we're also seeing him come way out of goal to help the team in possession.
I didn't see much of him at Brentford but I doubt they played like this. Certainly arteta didn't force ramsdale too.
posted on 8/10/23
I think we have to remember that as much as many of us like Ramsdale he did also have plenty of shaky moments and we saw him kick the ball out straight to opposition players when attempting a pass a fair bit too.
It was a good save that one against Spurs DJ but I want to know he can stop some of those ones that appear unstoppable if you get my drift, the full stretch top corner type.
Raya does look a little better on the ball. My gut feeling though is that he's a little weaker as a shot stopper.
posted on 8/10/23
1)spell his name right……it’s 4 letters ffs
2) fans need to get behind the team….he’s been in goal for what….4 games? Rambo has had 2 full seasons and fans were openly mocking him when he signed.
posted on 8/10/23
Can't really blame Raya for following the gaffer's orders.
Arteta was very categorical in his praise for the goalkeeper during the post-match interview.
There's no point booting every ball forward when your front 3 is made up of lads who are all 5 foot 9.
posted on 9/10/23
https://twitter.com/iOkmm/status/1711089531410075996?t=LOYbd52zEfInJYzlHcZXAQ&s=19
there we have it. ramsdale needs to change the way he plays to get back in.
posted on 9/10/23
Yes, he was shaky first half but still came up with some excellent passes, especially to Jesus. Ramsdale doesn't have that ability
posted on 9/10/23
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 15 hours, 22 minutes ago
He made that stunner against Spurs, then flapped at the very next cross.
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Stunner is a strong word. It was a very good reaction save but on second viewing wasn't that far from him. I'd have expected Ramsdale to have also made that save, and that's the issue - could Raya have made some of the saves Ramsdale has? I'd have to believe he couldn't have. He hasn't shown us anything that suggests otherwise.
posted on 9/10/23
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 6 hours, 48 minutes ago
Yes, he was shaky first half but still came up with some excellent passes, especially to Jesus. Ramsdale doesn't have that ability
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Ramsdale's inability with his feet is to me less of a loss that Raya's shot stopping. Keeping the ball out is the first objective of goalkeeping and so far I haven't seen anything to suggest Raya is better than Ramsdale at that. On balance I would expect Ramsdale to make the saves Raya has, but don't think I could say likewise the other way.
posted on 9/10/23
Rui and I are on the same wavelength here.
posted on 9/10/23
If ramsdale was a consistent, world class shot stopper then I'd be massively against Raya, but let's face it, he's not.
Raya has had some nervy moments, but he's also had some excellent ones. I'm willing to give him time, as he really did help us control the game in the 2nd half yesterday.
posted on 9/10/23
Ramsdale has the ability to make world class saves as he has showcased numerous times already in an Arsenal shirt, is he going to make them every time? No, no goalkeeper is going to make every world class save they potentially could.
However, Raya from what I've witnessed so far doesn't look to have that ability, physically he genuinely doesn't look like he has the reach to make those types of saves. Several of the goals that slipped past his fingers so far left me feeling like Ramsdale may have stopped them.
He may look a little better on the ball but even that aspect of his game has not wowed me given how nervy he's looked at times and how he has kicked it straight to opposition a number of times already just like Ramsdale did occasionally as well.
What are the excellent moments you are referring to? The save against Spurs was good but didn't blow me away like some of Ramsdale's saves have in the past.
posted on 10/10/23
I'm not saying ramsdale needs to make world class saves every game. An issue with ramsdale is he lets in a fair amount of shots that could have been fairly routine saves. Not quite dollies, but a decent save keeps them out.
Raya's save against spurs was excellent. I get we all like Ramsdale, but it's ok to call that save as it was, a brilliant piece of goalkeeping. But it's not just that, there have been excellent pieces of long distribution, attracting players for the press and passing through them, he's calmly caught some dangerous crosses too.
He obviously hasn't been perfect, but I'm willing to give him time to settle into a new team as I feel the way he plays can help us control games a lot better.
posted on 10/10/23
That is true, Ramsdale did let some silly ones slip in fair point.
If we were to scale it like: average, good, excellent, world class then I would agree it was excellent because of the reactions but it was fairly close to his body. I still would like to see him make a 'world class' save if you get my drift, I feel there is another level up from there which would be outstanding aka world class.
Agree on the long distribution and passes through the lines but I have also seen Ramsdale perform these too many times
He does look good in general with the crosses but also has had some errors in judgement there like the one he didn't quite get his hand to that Haaland nearly headed in on Sunday. Initially I thought he looks better than Ramsdale at claiming crosses but I'm now back to thinking there is not much difference there.
Neither of them are perfect or have been perfect. The difference between them for me boils down to your preference on the following, or rather the manager's preference: do you want your #1 to be slightly better on the ball or slightly better at saving the seemingly un-saveable.
posted on 15/10/23
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 6 days, 17 hours ago
Yes, he was shaky first half but still came up with some excellent passes, especially to Jesus. Ramsdale doesn't have that ability
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Since when? I swear I remember everyone praising Ramsdale's passing and distribution numerous times after watching him pinging balls up the pitch to MFs and Forwards with pinpoint precision.
posted on 15/10/23
Reya doesn't command the defence and team like Ramsdale either. Pound for pound Ramsdale is more beneficial to this Arsenal team and this a big mistake on the manager's part. City game showed it in spades
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