I always say it, but the inconsistency from officials within a 90 minute game is not good enough.
It was definitely a yellow for Konate, stopping a transitional attack quite deliberately.
To add to that, I don’t mind officials having their own style of officiating, so long as tbh here consistent for both teams.
Something else I notice is a team who give up possession and sit back (the underdog) tend to have an extra couple of fouls before being booked.
Casemiro is almost always booked first foul when you can point to a couple prior that weren’t yellows.
A lot of refs seem to let a lot go and then as soon as one yellow is given it is evened up - even if, as you say, one team has committed loads of fouls to that point and the other makes their first foul.
I personally don't see why some games (top of the table, derbies etc) seem to have a higher level of tolerance than others. We here about reffing to the occasion, but imo every game should be equal. A foul in a Brentford vs Burnley game should be treated the same as a similar one in a Liverpool vs Man Utd game.
Position on the pitch should come into play.
Ashley's first foul was on the half way line so he wasnt stopping a decent chance.
If they do a cynical foul then fair enough but a meaningless trip shouldn't be a yellow
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 1 minute ago
Position on the pitch should come into play.
Ashley's first foul was on the half way line so he wasnt stopping a decent chance.
If they do a cynical foul then fair enough but a meaningless trip shouldn't be a yellow
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, I think refs put themselves in difficult situations with the ease they sometimes give out first yellows.
I am guessing the thinking behind not booking Konate for the second one was the ball was not going to be in Evertons possession, so he gave that extra leniency. However, with Young already off it was always going to cause Everton anger.
The standard of officials this season is at a new low. Michael Oliver is my least favourite ref of all time too. An absolute joker and stealing a living.
He was the ref when we played Spurs wasn't he? How we didn't get a penalty that day I will never know. That handball was more blatant than the few we saw yesterday. Romero's arm was raised and away from his body and blocked a shot at goal.
Sack him and get someone better. He is ruining games almost every weekend.
Common sense has gone out of the game.
Refs have become not only the focus of fans, which they have always been, but now micro analysed by pundits and their own bosses.
I can't help yo think that players have not helped this situation. It used to be a fair game when a foul was a foul and a bad foul was a yellow.
Now it's a game where any contact is a foul and a proper foul challenge is a yellow.
That's on the players IMO for being such diving pusssies.
We also see this classic over reaction by refs....Kovacic one week sees no yellow and there's uproar. VAR making a dreadful error another week against Liverpool. and now refs suddenly go the other way...no leniency and benefit of the doubt given to Liverpool.. it just goes to show that rather reffing in an objective manner, they are reacting to events and criticisms of past weeks. It is such weak officiating where they lack any confidence in their own abilities and flip flop from leniency to strictness week by week.
That said, Pawson, who did LFCs game yesterday is one of the worst. If ever there was an example of a ref knowing all he knows about football from what he read in the ref training manual then it is him. Clueless and weak.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
The standard of officials this season is at a new low. Michael Oliver is my least favourite ref of all time too. An absolute joker and stealing a living.
He was the ref when we played Spurs wasn't he? How we didn't get a penalty that day I will never know. That handball was more blatant than the few we saw yesterday. Romero's arm was raised and away from his body and blocked a shot at goal.
Sack him and get someone better. He is ruining games almost every weekend.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nice to see you judge refs based on decisions that have gone against you. Hardly helps the discussion because decisions like that (which went to VAR in any case) are quite subjective as a result of the way the law is written.
Konate should have got 2nd yellow. Tarkoswki should have had a 2nd yellow.
A replay of the Spurs game is impossible, so the PGMOL appeased Klopp and co yesterday, job done.
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 22 minutes ago
Konate should have got 2nd yellow. Tarkoswki should have had a 2nd yellow.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do we really want to see 3 red cards for those pretty soft fouls? In reality nobody did anything bad enough to deserve being sent off. Surely we want to see a higher bar for expulsions.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
The standard of officials this season is at a new low. Michael Oliver is my least favourite ref of all time too. An absolute joker and stealing a living.
He was the ref when we played Spurs wasn't he? How we didn't get a penalty that day I will never know. That handball was more blatant than the few we saw yesterday. Romero's arm was raised and away from his body and blocked a shot at goal.
Sack him and get someone better. He is ruining games almost every weekend.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nice to see you judge refs based on decisions that have gone against you. Hardly helps the discussion because decisions like that (which went to VAR in any case) are quite subjective as a result of the way the law is written.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
^ people generally remember the ones that go against them. Most fans will be able to point to inconsistent decisions that’s ent against them.
Another one of those was the Hoijlund offside and obstruction of the keepers vision against Burnley, yet that’s happened a few times this season and VAR haven’t disallowed it.
Interesting stat I heard yesterday was that in premiership Liverpool derbys at Anfield 17 players have been sent off. 13 were in blue 4 in red. When you play the dippers at their place you are usually playing against 12.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 42 minutes ago
^ people generally remember the ones that go against them. Most fans will be able to point to inconsistent decisions that’s ent against them.
Another one of those was the Hoijlund offside and obstruction of the keepers vision against Burnley, yet that’s happened a few times this season and VAR haven’t disallowed it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
United have also had luck this season with decisions. Onana vs Wolves springs to mind.
All the refs have laws and most folk should just accept that but not accept rank awful decisions. I quite like the way that Oliver let's a game flow.The OP is right in that 2 soft fouls should not equal a red. But refs make a rod for their own back by booking for cheap soft fouls, like Jotas first which leaves them nowhere to go with a proper second foul, like Youngs or Jotas second.
Refs fail to manage players and the game, they just run around with a rulebook in their head and have zero ability to use discretion or properly manage what's happening. Again, watching the rugby last night shone a light on how it should be done but football shuns this gold standard, favouring protecting the ineptitude of refs while also letting players get away with unsportsman like behaviour.
Kovacics 2 tackles is the perfect example of where 2 yellows = red. In other softer cases refs should use their discretion to warn players about the risks of being booked or sent off. Then no one has any complaints.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 42 minutes ago
^ people generally remember the ones that go against them. Most fans will be able to point to inconsistent decisions that’s ent against them.
Another one of those was the Hoijlund offside and obstruction of the keepers vision against Burnley, yet that’s happened a few times this season and VAR haven’t disallowed it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
United have also had luck this season with decisions. Onana vs Wolves springs to mind.
All the refs have laws and most folk should just accept that but not accept rank awful decisions. I quite like the way that Oliver let's a game flow.The OP is right in that 2 soft fouls should not equal a red. But refs make a rod for their own back by booking for cheap soft fouls, like Jotas first which leaves them nowhere to go with a proper second foul, like Youngs or Jotas second.
Refs fail to manage players and the game, they just run around with a rulebook in their head and have zero ability to use discretion or properly manage what's happening. Again, watching the rugby last night shone a light on how it should be done but football shuns this gold standard, favouring protecting the ineptitude of refs while also letting players get away with unsportsman like behaviour.
Kovacics 2 tackles is the perfect example of where 2 yellows = red. In other softer cases refs should use their discretion to warn players about the risks of being booked or sent off. Then no one has any complaints.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's been this way for years though, not just since VAR.
It’s interesting people are using the Onana v Wolves contact as a case of United getting lucky.
Very similar incident in the Chelsea Arsenal game last night, hardly registered a second glance.
What I don't understand is that last season they were all about letting things go and allowing more contact. Then just one season later there's a 40% increase in yellow cards.
I don't know a single person on Earth who thinks that the handball rules are fair, and they've changed about three times in as many years too.
Throw in all the apologies the PGMOL have had to make and I think maybe it's time for a different body to take over because its really not good enough for a league of this size.
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
Interesting stat I heard yesterday was that in premiership Liverpool derbys at Anfield 17 players have been sent off. 13 were in blue 4 in red. When you play the dippers at their place you are usually playing against 12.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Go and have a look at those red cards.
comment by kramthered (U10304)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
It’s interesting people are using the Onana v Wolves contact as a case of United getting lucky.
Very similar incident in the Chelsea Arsenal game last night, hardly registered a second glance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Should have been a penalty for Arsenal, just as Palmer should've been sent off.
There was one of the Sheff Utd players who got booked in the second half who should have been booked for taking Maguire out on the touchline by the technical area in the first half.
Casemiro gets booked for those nine times out of ten.
Pawson yesterday took his time to deliberate whether or not to give a 2nd yellow to Young. He walked over to where the foul was committed, then over to Young to issue the 2nd yellow. Took his time or was influenced by his surroundings?
Yet he was absolutely adamant a split second after Konate's 2nd yellow card offence that it wasn't a yellow card. Wouldn't even consider it. So inconsistent.
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 21 minutes ago
Pawson yesterday took his time to deliberate whether or not to give a 2nd yellow to Young. He walked over to where the foul was committed, then over to Young to issue the 2nd yellow. Took his time or was influenced by his surroundings?
Yet he was absolutely adamant a split second after Konate's 2nd yellow card offence that it wasn't a yellow card. Wouldn't even consider it. So inconsistent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Konate stopped a promising break. Its a cynical action that has come into the game with the High press where teams are exposed if the press is broken.
Fernandino used to commit half a dozen of these tackles a game before being booked.
If refs gave first yellow for bad tackles then the issue goes away. Because so many are easy soft cards it seems pathetic that a player gets sent from the game for minor things. Such a severe punishment so it should be reserved for serious matters. Refs have lost sight of this. And that's because they are weak and IMO lacking intelligence.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 42 minutes ago
^ people generally remember the ones that go against them. Most fans will be able to point to inconsistent decisions that’s ent against them.
Another one of those was the Hoijlund offside and obstruction of the keepers vision against Burnley, yet that’s happened a few times this season and VAR haven’t disallowed it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
United have also had luck this season with decisions. Onana vs Wolves springs to mind.
All the refs have laws and most folk should just accept that but not accept rank awful decisions. I quite like the way that Oliver let's a game flow.The OP is right in that 2 soft fouls should not equal a red. But refs make a rod for their own back by booking for cheap soft fouls, like Jotas first which leaves them nowhere to go with a proper second foul, like Youngs or Jotas second.
Refs fail to manage players and the game, they just run around with a rulebook in their head and have zero ability to use discretion or properly manage what's happening. Again, watching the rugby last night shone a light on how it should be done but football shuns this gold standard, favouring protecting the ineptitude of refs while also letting players get away with unsportsman like behaviour.
Kovacics 2 tackles is the perfect example of where 2 yellows = red. In other softer cases refs should use their discretion to warn players about the risks of being booked or sent off. Then no one has any complaints.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’re proving my point, people can easily reference inconsistent decisions that affect their own team. I’m not saying we’re hard done by.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 42 minutes ago
^ people generally remember the ones that go against them. Most fans will be able to point to inconsistent decisions that’s ent against them.
Another one of those was the Hoijlund offside and obstruction of the keepers vision against Burnley, yet that’s happened a few times this season and VAR haven’t disallowed it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
United have also had luck this season with decisions. Onana vs Wolves springs to mind.
All the refs have laws and most folk should just accept that but not accept rank awful decisions. I quite like the way that Oliver let's a game flow.The OP is right in that 2 soft fouls should not equal a red. But refs make a rod for their own back by booking for cheap soft fouls, like Jotas first which leaves them nowhere to go with a proper second foul, like Youngs or Jotas second.
Refs fail to manage players and the game, they just run around with a rulebook in their head and have zero ability to use discretion or properly manage what's happening. Again, watching the rugby last night shone a light on how it should be done but football shuns this gold standard, favouring protecting the ineptitude of refs while also letting players get away with unsportsman like behaviour.
Kovacics 2 tackles is the perfect example of where 2 yellows = red. In other softer cases refs should use their discretion to warn players about the risks of being booked or sent off. Then no one has any complaints.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’re proving my point, people can easily reference inconsistent decisions that affect their own team. I’m not saying we’re hard done by.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah but your hatred of Oliver cited a subjective decision not to give a handball against your team
Sure you may not rate him but to cite that moment and claim he's stealing a living is a stretch. If you had referred to kovacic and said Oliver was garbage then OK, but you referred only to a 50/50 decision that went against you. Hence your appear as lacking objectivity because that is far from his worst decision this season.
Sign in if you want to comment
Yellow cards...
Page 1 of 2
posted on 22/10/23
I always say it, but the inconsistency from officials within a 90 minute game is not good enough.
It was definitely a yellow for Konate, stopping a transitional attack quite deliberately.
posted on 22/10/23
To add to that, I don’t mind officials having their own style of officiating, so long as tbh here consistent for both teams.
Something else I notice is a team who give up possession and sit back (the underdog) tend to have an extra couple of fouls before being booked.
Casemiro is almost always booked first foul when you can point to a couple prior that weren’t yellows.
posted on 22/10/23
A lot of refs seem to let a lot go and then as soon as one yellow is given it is evened up - even if, as you say, one team has committed loads of fouls to that point and the other makes their first foul.
I personally don't see why some games (top of the table, derbies etc) seem to have a higher level of tolerance than others. We here about reffing to the occasion, but imo every game should be equal. A foul in a Brentford vs Burnley game should be treated the same as a similar one in a Liverpool vs Man Utd game.
posted on 22/10/23
Position on the pitch should come into play.
Ashley's first foul was on the half way line so he wasnt stopping a decent chance.
If they do a cynical foul then fair enough but a meaningless trip shouldn't be a yellow
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 1 minute ago
Position on the pitch should come into play.
Ashley's first foul was on the half way line so he wasnt stopping a decent chance.
If they do a cynical foul then fair enough but a meaningless trip shouldn't be a yellow
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, I think refs put themselves in difficult situations with the ease they sometimes give out first yellows.
I am guessing the thinking behind not booking Konate for the second one was the ball was not going to be in Evertons possession, so he gave that extra leniency. However, with Young already off it was always going to cause Everton anger.
posted on 22/10/23
The standard of officials this season is at a new low. Michael Oliver is my least favourite ref of all time too. An absolute joker and stealing a living.
He was the ref when we played Spurs wasn't he? How we didn't get a penalty that day I will never know. That handball was more blatant than the few we saw yesterday. Romero's arm was raised and away from his body and blocked a shot at goal.
Sack him and get someone better. He is ruining games almost every weekend.
posted on 22/10/23
Common sense has gone out of the game.
Refs have become not only the focus of fans, which they have always been, but now micro analysed by pundits and their own bosses.
I can't help yo think that players have not helped this situation. It used to be a fair game when a foul was a foul and a bad foul was a yellow.
Now it's a game where any contact is a foul and a proper foul challenge is a yellow.
That's on the players IMO for being such diving pusssies.
We also see this classic over reaction by refs....Kovacic one week sees no yellow and there's uproar. VAR making a dreadful error another week against Liverpool. and now refs suddenly go the other way...no leniency and benefit of the doubt given to Liverpool.. it just goes to show that rather reffing in an objective manner, they are reacting to events and criticisms of past weeks. It is such weak officiating where they lack any confidence in their own abilities and flip flop from leniency to strictness week by week.
That said, Pawson, who did LFCs game yesterday is one of the worst. If ever there was an example of a ref knowing all he knows about football from what he read in the ref training manual then it is him. Clueless and weak.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
The standard of officials this season is at a new low. Michael Oliver is my least favourite ref of all time too. An absolute joker and stealing a living.
He was the ref when we played Spurs wasn't he? How we didn't get a penalty that day I will never know. That handball was more blatant than the few we saw yesterday. Romero's arm was raised and away from his body and blocked a shot at goal.
Sack him and get someone better. He is ruining games almost every weekend.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nice to see you judge refs based on decisions that have gone against you. Hardly helps the discussion because decisions like that (which went to VAR in any case) are quite subjective as a result of the way the law is written.
posted on 22/10/23
Konate should have got 2nd yellow. Tarkoswki should have had a 2nd yellow.
posted on 22/10/23
A replay of the Spurs game is impossible, so the PGMOL appeased Klopp and co yesterday, job done.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 22 minutes ago
Konate should have got 2nd yellow. Tarkoswki should have had a 2nd yellow.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do we really want to see 3 red cards for those pretty soft fouls? In reality nobody did anything bad enough to deserve being sent off. Surely we want to see a higher bar for expulsions.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
The standard of officials this season is at a new low. Michael Oliver is my least favourite ref of all time too. An absolute joker and stealing a living.
He was the ref when we played Spurs wasn't he? How we didn't get a penalty that day I will never know. That handball was more blatant than the few we saw yesterday. Romero's arm was raised and away from his body and blocked a shot at goal.
Sack him and get someone better. He is ruining games almost every weekend.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nice to see you judge refs based on decisions that have gone against you. Hardly helps the discussion because decisions like that (which went to VAR in any case) are quite subjective as a result of the way the law is written.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 22/10/23
^ people generally remember the ones that go against them. Most fans will be able to point to inconsistent decisions that’s ent against them.
Another one of those was the Hoijlund offside and obstruction of the keepers vision against Burnley, yet that’s happened a few times this season and VAR haven’t disallowed it.
posted on 22/10/23
Interesting stat I heard yesterday was that in premiership Liverpool derbys at Anfield 17 players have been sent off. 13 were in blue 4 in red. When you play the dippers at their place you are usually playing against 12.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 42 minutes ago
^ people generally remember the ones that go against them. Most fans will be able to point to inconsistent decisions that’s ent against them.
Another one of those was the Hoijlund offside and obstruction of the keepers vision against Burnley, yet that’s happened a few times this season and VAR haven’t disallowed it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
United have also had luck this season with decisions. Onana vs Wolves springs to mind.
All the refs have laws and most folk should just accept that but not accept rank awful decisions. I quite like the way that Oliver let's a game flow.The OP is right in that 2 soft fouls should not equal a red. But refs make a rod for their own back by booking for cheap soft fouls, like Jotas first which leaves them nowhere to go with a proper second foul, like Youngs or Jotas second.
Refs fail to manage players and the game, they just run around with a rulebook in their head and have zero ability to use discretion or properly manage what's happening. Again, watching the rugby last night shone a light on how it should be done but football shuns this gold standard, favouring protecting the ineptitude of refs while also letting players get away with unsportsman like behaviour.
Kovacics 2 tackles is the perfect example of where 2 yellows = red. In other softer cases refs should use their discretion to warn players about the risks of being booked or sent off. Then no one has any complaints.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 42 minutes ago
^ people generally remember the ones that go against them. Most fans will be able to point to inconsistent decisions that’s ent against them.
Another one of those was the Hoijlund offside and obstruction of the keepers vision against Burnley, yet that’s happened a few times this season and VAR haven’t disallowed it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
United have also had luck this season with decisions. Onana vs Wolves springs to mind.
All the refs have laws and most folk should just accept that but not accept rank awful decisions. I quite like the way that Oliver let's a game flow.The OP is right in that 2 soft fouls should not equal a red. But refs make a rod for their own back by booking for cheap soft fouls, like Jotas first which leaves them nowhere to go with a proper second foul, like Youngs or Jotas second.
Refs fail to manage players and the game, they just run around with a rulebook in their head and have zero ability to use discretion or properly manage what's happening. Again, watching the rugby last night shone a light on how it should be done but football shuns this gold standard, favouring protecting the ineptitude of refs while also letting players get away with unsportsman like behaviour.
Kovacics 2 tackles is the perfect example of where 2 yellows = red. In other softer cases refs should use their discretion to warn players about the risks of being booked or sent off. Then no one has any complaints.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's been this way for years though, not just since VAR.
posted on 22/10/23
It’s interesting people are using the Onana v Wolves contact as a case of United getting lucky.
Very similar incident in the Chelsea Arsenal game last night, hardly registered a second glance.
posted on 22/10/23
What I don't understand is that last season they were all about letting things go and allowing more contact. Then just one season later there's a 40% increase in yellow cards.
I don't know a single person on Earth who thinks that the handball rules are fair, and they've changed about three times in as many years too.
Throw in all the apologies the PGMOL have had to make and I think maybe it's time for a different body to take over because its really not good enough for a league of this size.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
Interesting stat I heard yesterday was that in premiership Liverpool derbys at Anfield 17 players have been sent off. 13 were in blue 4 in red. When you play the dippers at their place you are usually playing against 12.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Go and have a look at those red cards.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by kramthered (U10304)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
It’s interesting people are using the Onana v Wolves contact as a case of United getting lucky.
Very similar incident in the Chelsea Arsenal game last night, hardly registered a second glance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Should have been a penalty for Arsenal, just as Palmer should've been sent off.
posted on 22/10/23
There was one of the Sheff Utd players who got booked in the second half who should have been booked for taking Maguire out on the touchline by the technical area in the first half.
Casemiro gets booked for those nine times out of ten.
posted on 22/10/23
Pawson yesterday took his time to deliberate whether or not to give a 2nd yellow to Young. He walked over to where the foul was committed, then over to Young to issue the 2nd yellow. Took his time or was influenced by his surroundings?
Yet he was absolutely adamant a split second after Konate's 2nd yellow card offence that it wasn't a yellow card. Wouldn't even consider it. So inconsistent.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 21 minutes ago
Pawson yesterday took his time to deliberate whether or not to give a 2nd yellow to Young. He walked over to where the foul was committed, then over to Young to issue the 2nd yellow. Took his time or was influenced by his surroundings?
Yet he was absolutely adamant a split second after Konate's 2nd yellow card offence that it wasn't a yellow card. Wouldn't even consider it. So inconsistent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Konate stopped a promising break. Its a cynical action that has come into the game with the High press where teams are exposed if the press is broken.
Fernandino used to commit half a dozen of these tackles a game before being booked.
If refs gave first yellow for bad tackles then the issue goes away. Because so many are easy soft cards it seems pathetic that a player gets sent from the game for minor things. Such a severe punishment so it should be reserved for serious matters. Refs have lost sight of this. And that's because they are weak and IMO lacking intelligence.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 42 minutes ago
^ people generally remember the ones that go against them. Most fans will be able to point to inconsistent decisions that’s ent against them.
Another one of those was the Hoijlund offside and obstruction of the keepers vision against Burnley, yet that’s happened a few times this season and VAR haven’t disallowed it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
United have also had luck this season with decisions. Onana vs Wolves springs to mind.
All the refs have laws and most folk should just accept that but not accept rank awful decisions. I quite like the way that Oliver let's a game flow.The OP is right in that 2 soft fouls should not equal a red. But refs make a rod for their own back by booking for cheap soft fouls, like Jotas first which leaves them nowhere to go with a proper second foul, like Youngs or Jotas second.
Refs fail to manage players and the game, they just run around with a rulebook in their head and have zero ability to use discretion or properly manage what's happening. Again, watching the rugby last night shone a light on how it should be done but football shuns this gold standard, favouring protecting the ineptitude of refs while also letting players get away with unsportsman like behaviour.
Kovacics 2 tackles is the perfect example of where 2 yellows = red. In other softer cases refs should use their discretion to warn players about the risks of being booked or sent off. Then no one has any complaints.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’re proving my point, people can easily reference inconsistent decisions that affect their own team. I’m not saying we’re hard done by.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 42 minutes ago
^ people generally remember the ones that go against them. Most fans will be able to point to inconsistent decisions that’s ent against them.
Another one of those was the Hoijlund offside and obstruction of the keepers vision against Burnley, yet that’s happened a few times this season and VAR haven’t disallowed it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
United have also had luck this season with decisions. Onana vs Wolves springs to mind.
All the refs have laws and most folk should just accept that but not accept rank awful decisions. I quite like the way that Oliver let's a game flow.The OP is right in that 2 soft fouls should not equal a red. But refs make a rod for their own back by booking for cheap soft fouls, like Jotas first which leaves them nowhere to go with a proper second foul, like Youngs or Jotas second.
Refs fail to manage players and the game, they just run around with a rulebook in their head and have zero ability to use discretion or properly manage what's happening. Again, watching the rugby last night shone a light on how it should be done but football shuns this gold standard, favouring protecting the ineptitude of refs while also letting players get away with unsportsman like behaviour.
Kovacics 2 tackles is the perfect example of where 2 yellows = red. In other softer cases refs should use their discretion to warn players about the risks of being booked or sent off. Then no one has any complaints.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’re proving my point, people can easily reference inconsistent decisions that affect their own team. I’m not saying we’re hard done by.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah but your hatred of Oliver cited a subjective decision not to give a handball against your team
Sure you may not rate him but to cite that moment and claim he's stealing a living is a stretch. If you had referred to kovacic and said Oliver was garbage then OK, but you referred only to a 50/50 decision that went against you. Hence your appear as lacking objectivity because that is far from his worst decision this season.
Page 1 of 2