Struijk did not have the cojones to stand up to a senior player.
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You really think that should happen, you really think that be good for team morale. Really
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 24 minutes ago
Having won the penalty you can understand him wanting to take it... but dang it its side before self and he shouldn't have taken that
Said it before, piroe is a luxury player. Rutter is playing really where he is, the talk shouldn't be dropping Rutter from 9 and moving him to 10, it should be about dropping piroe and playing a proper number 10
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Some think its Champ manger pal.
Wakey if i was captain id be taking it or taking the ball home.
comment by Macca: Emily Bronte's lovechild (U8194)
posted 9 hours, 49 minutes ago
I actually do think PB can be utilised successfully as a sub as he was tonight.... for about 120 seconds and then it all went to pot because he was unbelievably allowed to take the penalty he won for us.
That calamitous decision to allow Bamford to be given that huge pressure game clinching moment will obviously never ever happen again at Leeds but like I said he can be an asset as an impact sub and if he comes on and scores the winner or adds to our goal tally in a convincing victory on Saturday the mood and very negative vibe around him will lift considerably.
I can't remember another Leeds player that has had so much toxicity attached to him. Irrespective of the gutting disappointment at losing tonight as a direct consequence of that missed pen on a human level you would hope for his sake that his fortunes on the pitch for Leeds improve because it's quite uncomfortable and tragic to observe now.
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By my reckoning, Macca, Bamford’s penalty misses last season, and the time in the games when they occurred, may well have led to the loss of five points. All hypothetical, I know, but there is no greater a master of the crucial penalty miss than Bamford.
The bigger question is how the fu€k he was allowed to take the ball and place it on the spot without so much as a whimper of dissent. That speaks to his authority in the dressing room and, arguably, the seniority of the promotion players who are still there.
Rebuilding a team is a rare skill and there are plenty examples of teams who have failed, and are failing at it. There is still some way to go at Elland Road before we exorcise our demons, but letting Bamford take that penalty suggests that we are a long way from being the team we would like to be.
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 10 minutes ago
Struijk? What’s that little baby going to do ffs? Should be no where near being our captain… as if he’s going step up and question Bamford taking a penalty… joke
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Where has this come from ? Very similar to when Cooper got given the captaincy, and everyone saying he shouldnt be.
Based on what !!!!! How do you know what he is like, on and off the pitch.
And there is no way, the captain should be taking a pen off a player, mid match.
THATS DOWN TO THE MANAGER TO KNOW WHOS DOING WHAT, BEFORE THE GAMES.
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People can't get over the fact that you don't need to be vinney Jones to be captain
Pretty sure we all knew he was going to miss it.
Almost certain everyone in the stadium, Bamford included, knew he was going to miss it as well.
But, he needed to take it, because, if he had scored it, it might just have kick started his season and I don't see any other way that's going to happen at the moment.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/patrick-bamford/elfmetertore/spieler/183334/saison_id//wettbewerb_id//plus/1#verschossen
Pretty damning to be honest.
He has missed his last three penalties if I'm reading this right.
I can't fault him for wanting to step up and take it, he knows he needs a goal and you can't blame a player for wanting to take a penalty, but you can't keep allowing him the chance to take it when his record at them is so poor
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 40 minutes ago
Struijk did not have the cojones to stand up to a senior player.
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You really think that should happen, you really think that be good for team morale. Really
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Id rather win the frigging game and moan about morale later. The whole point of the captain is to be the senior player who takes charge of on field decisions and to lead the side, not stand by and let a shot past it CF take a crucial penalty which has now left us 9 pts behind Ipswich.
If 90% if the fan base didn't want him taking it, pretty sure most of the players didn't either.
Captain doesnt decide who takes the pens 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why the hell would they 🤷🏻♂️
Thats the managers job.
Or we saying Captain and bamford, should have been grappling over the ball 🤣🤣🤣
Listen to yourselves.
comment by Shaun M - supercalifragilisticOrtaisatrocious (U9955)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 40 minutes ago
Struijk did not have the cojones to stand up to a senior player.
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You really think that should happen, you really think that be good for team morale. Really
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Id rather win the frigging game and moan about morale later. The whole point of the captain is to be the senior player who takes charge of on field decisions and to lead the side, not stand by and let a shot past it CF take a crucial penalty which has now left us 9 pts behind Ipswich.
If 90% if the fan base didn't want him taking it, pretty sure most of the players didn't either.
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Pretty sure that had Cooper been on pitch and been in possession of the arm band that Bamford would still have taken that penalty. Nothing to do with "cojones".
I'll always be grateful for Bamford's previous heroics. I've got a shirt with his name on it even.
Sadly - from what I've seen so far on his latest return from injury - he shouldn't even be on the bench. He's just nowhere near ready to play at even Championship level.
It's too late in his career to be sent out on loan, so not sure what to do with him. Perhaps he needs to look to go to the US or a Middle-Eastern league to earn some money in a less demanding environment.
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Macca: Emily Bronte's lovechild (U8194)
posted 9 hours, 49 minutes ago
I actually do think PB can be utilised successfully as a sub as he was tonight.... for about 120 seconds and then it all went to pot because he was unbelievably allowed to take the penalty he won for us.
That calamitous decision to allow Bamford to be given that huge pressure game clinching moment will obviously never ever happen again at Leeds but like I said he can be an asset as an impact sub and if he comes on and scores the winner or adds to our goal tally in a convincing victory on Saturday the mood and very negative vibe around him will lift considerably.
I can't remember another Leeds player that has had so much toxicity attached to him. Irrespective of the gutting disappointment at losing tonight as a direct consequence of that missed pen on a human level you would hope for his sake that his fortunes on the pitch for Leeds improve because it's quite uncomfortable and tragic to observe now.
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By my reckoning, Macca, Bamford’s penalty misses last season, and the time in the games when they occurred, may well have led to the loss of five points. All hypothetical, I know, but there is no greater a master of the crucial penalty miss than Bamford.
The bigger question is how the fu€k he was allowed to take the ball and place it on the spot without so much as a whimper of dissent. That speaks to his authority in the dressing room and, arguably, the seniority of the promotion players who are still there.
Rebuilding a team is a rare skill and there are plenty examples of teams who have failed, and are failing at it. There is still some way to go at Elland Road before we exorcise our demons, but letting Bamford take that penalty suggests that we are a long way from being the team we would like to be.
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Yes totally agree Farkness and I think all of us woke up this morning really stung and shocked by last night's poor showing and jolting us back down to pessimistic levels plus a lot of fans are now starting to question DF because the team selection and not rectifying it much sooner at HT is on him although the players that did play did not get to even half the level of Norwich away last Saturday and 3 or 4 of them surprised me how easily they were bullied by Stoke and were totally ineffective.
Then there's the pen miss which hurts the most because when Farke took Piroe the designated penalty taker off he must surely have known the overwhelming consensus of fan opinion regarding not wanting Bamford anywhere near having that responsibility if it cropped up which it did and DF most definitely should have not allowed what followed to take place.... he certainly won't make that mistake again.
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Captain doesnt decide who takes the pens 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why the hell would they 🤷🏻♂️
Thats the managers job.
Or we saying Captain and bamford, should have been grappling over the ball 🤣🤣🤣
Listen to yourselves.
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So the captain just picks which side of the pitch they want then?
The captain is a teams most INFLUENCIAL player, the player who others in the side LISTEN too and take INSTRUCTIONS from and follow. A bigger personality, a proper captain would have taken the ball off Bamford and gave it to someone else. If I was captain of that side last night, I aint letting Bamford anywhere near it, if the manager doesn't like that, I take off the armband.
People are not saying the captain necessarily chooses who takes the penalty, what people are implying is that a captain shouldn't have let Bamford take it given his form and record.
when has a captain ever gone up to the penalty taker taken ball off him and said he aint taking it 🤣🤣🤣
Never.
It doesnt happen because, any professional outfit, has the penalty takers already known before a game.
So either Bamford was the designated pen taker or the manager hasnt done his job properly.
To suggest the captain decides who takes pens mid game, is bizarre
The captain is a teams most INFLUENCIAL player, the player who others in the side LISTEN too and take INSTRUCTIONS from and follow
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Come on, these are professional players who have played at the too level. You really think this is what happens on a football pitch 🤦
Beren Cross reporting today that Summerville wanted the penalty and asked Struijk, but Bamford wasn't having any of it. Captain material that is.....
On the penalty: "I want Piroe to take it. Piroe is our main taker but it was difficult because of the substitutions. Patrick created it with perfect movement. He's experienced. He took the responsibility. That's football
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100% the managers fault.
Captain shouldnt be deciding who takes pens
Young Gray at RB, up against Vidigal and Bamford wearing clown boots just about summed the evening up for me.
Probably disingenuous to judge Gruev on one game but he was poor. Piroe was Awol last night.
Another couple of points on the penalty, firstly would we have got it with Piroe on the pitch, at least Bamford makes that difference, game after game you wonder where the hell the guy has gone, Farke might want him on the pitch to take the penalty but he needs a Bamford type player who poses a threat to win a penalty in the first place.
The second is, we were in the ascendency, why did the penalty miss suck all the life out of the team? Bamford might have missed the penalty but then Stoke tails were then up, I can understand that, but why were we so fragile? Bamford wasn't the only guy out there.
comment by A Little Bit of Dennis (U23086)
posted 38 minutes ago
Another couple of points on the penalty, firstly would we have got it with Piroe on the pitch, at least Bamford makes that difference, game after game you wonder where the hell the guy has gone, Farke might want him on the pitch to take the penalty but he needs a Bamford type player who poses a threat to win a penalty in the first place.
The second is, we were in the ascendency, why did the penalty miss suck all the life out of the team? Bamford might have missed the penalty but then Stoke tails were then up, I can understand that, but why were we so fragile? Bamford wasn't the only guy out there.
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Good points and I’ve got no immediate answers I’m afraid. It really baffles me how we can, seemingly out of the blue, put in such an abject performance as last night.
So either Bamford was the designated pen taker or the manager hasnt done his job properly.
^^^
Or, Bamford's just so full of himself, he seriously
thinks he's the best choice to take a penalty.
Someone within our set up needs to pull him aside
and remind him he's a shell of what he was. And
he was never that great to begin with.
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
…. And he was never that great to begin with.
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and there’s the comment that shows a true ‘hater’.
A reminder of the Bamford we (and he) wants
https://x.com/lufc/status/1397225136600793089?s=46
^
Playing in empty stadiums. Two years + ago.
Whatever that behind-closed-doors-Bamford was,
it was many moons, missed penalties, scuffed
chances, hissy fits, and injuries ago.
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posted on 26/10/23
Struijk did not have the cojones to stand up to a senior player.
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You really think that should happen, you really think that be good for team morale. Really
posted on 26/10/23
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 24 minutes ago
Having won the penalty you can understand him wanting to take it... but dang it its side before self and he shouldn't have taken that
Said it before, piroe is a luxury player. Rutter is playing really where he is, the talk shouldn't be dropping Rutter from 9 and moving him to 10, it should be about dropping piroe and playing a proper number 10
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Some think its Champ manger pal.
posted on 26/10/23
Wakey if i was captain id be taking it or taking the ball home.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by Macca: Emily Bronte's lovechild (U8194)
posted 9 hours, 49 minutes ago
I actually do think PB can be utilised successfully as a sub as he was tonight.... for about 120 seconds and then it all went to pot because he was unbelievably allowed to take the penalty he won for us.
That calamitous decision to allow Bamford to be given that huge pressure game clinching moment will obviously never ever happen again at Leeds but like I said he can be an asset as an impact sub and if he comes on and scores the winner or adds to our goal tally in a convincing victory on Saturday the mood and very negative vibe around him will lift considerably.
I can't remember another Leeds player that has had so much toxicity attached to him. Irrespective of the gutting disappointment at losing tonight as a direct consequence of that missed pen on a human level you would hope for his sake that his fortunes on the pitch for Leeds improve because it's quite uncomfortable and tragic to observe now.
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By my reckoning, Macca, Bamford’s penalty misses last season, and the time in the games when they occurred, may well have led to the loss of five points. All hypothetical, I know, but there is no greater a master of the crucial penalty miss than Bamford.
The bigger question is how the fu€k he was allowed to take the ball and place it on the spot without so much as a whimper of dissent. That speaks to his authority in the dressing room and, arguably, the seniority of the promotion players who are still there.
Rebuilding a team is a rare skill and there are plenty examples of teams who have failed, and are failing at it. There is still some way to go at Elland Road before we exorcise our demons, but letting Bamford take that penalty suggests that we are a long way from being the team we would like to be.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 10 minutes ago
Struijk? What’s that little baby going to do ffs? Should be no where near being our captain… as if he’s going step up and question Bamford taking a penalty… joke
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Where has this come from ? Very similar to when Cooper got given the captaincy, and everyone saying he shouldnt be.
Based on what !!!!! How do you know what he is like, on and off the pitch.
And there is no way, the captain should be taking a pen off a player, mid match.
THATS DOWN TO THE MANAGER TO KNOW WHOS DOING WHAT, BEFORE THE GAMES.
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People can't get over the fact that you don't need to be vinney Jones to be captain
posted on 26/10/23
Pretty sure we all knew he was going to miss it.
Almost certain everyone in the stadium, Bamford included, knew he was going to miss it as well.
But, he needed to take it, because, if he had scored it, it might just have kick started his season and I don't see any other way that's going to happen at the moment.
posted on 26/10/23
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/patrick-bamford/elfmetertore/spieler/183334/saison_id//wettbewerb_id//plus/1#verschossen
Pretty damning to be honest.
He has missed his last three penalties if I'm reading this right.
I can't fault him for wanting to step up and take it, he knows he needs a goal and you can't blame a player for wanting to take a penalty, but you can't keep allowing him the chance to take it when his record at them is so poor
posted on 26/10/23
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 40 minutes ago
Struijk did not have the cojones to stand up to a senior player.
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You really think that should happen, you really think that be good for team morale. Really
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Id rather win the frigging game and moan about morale later. The whole point of the captain is to be the senior player who takes charge of on field decisions and to lead the side, not stand by and let a shot past it CF take a crucial penalty which has now left us 9 pts behind Ipswich.
If 90% if the fan base didn't want him taking it, pretty sure most of the players didn't either.
posted on 26/10/23
Captain doesnt decide who takes the pens 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why the hell would they 🤷🏻♂️
Thats the managers job.
Or we saying Captain and bamford, should have been grappling over the ball 🤣🤣🤣
Listen to yourselves.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by Shaun M - supercalifragilisticOrtaisatrocious (U9955)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 40 minutes ago
Struijk did not have the cojones to stand up to a senior player.
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You really think that should happen, you really think that be good for team morale. Really
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Id rather win the frigging game and moan about morale later. The whole point of the captain is to be the senior player who takes charge of on field decisions and to lead the side, not stand by and let a shot past it CF take a crucial penalty which has now left us 9 pts behind Ipswich.
If 90% if the fan base didn't want him taking it, pretty sure most of the players didn't either.
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Pretty sure that had Cooper been on pitch and been in possession of the arm band that Bamford would still have taken that penalty. Nothing to do with "cojones".
posted on 26/10/23
I'll always be grateful for Bamford's previous heroics. I've got a shirt with his name on it even.
Sadly - from what I've seen so far on his latest return from injury - he shouldn't even be on the bench. He's just nowhere near ready to play at even Championship level.
It's too late in his career to be sent out on loan, so not sure what to do with him. Perhaps he needs to look to go to the US or a Middle-Eastern league to earn some money in a less demanding environment.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Macca: Emily Bronte's lovechild (U8194)
posted 9 hours, 49 minutes ago
I actually do think PB can be utilised successfully as a sub as he was tonight.... for about 120 seconds and then it all went to pot because he was unbelievably allowed to take the penalty he won for us.
That calamitous decision to allow Bamford to be given that huge pressure game clinching moment will obviously never ever happen again at Leeds but like I said he can be an asset as an impact sub and if he comes on and scores the winner or adds to our goal tally in a convincing victory on Saturday the mood and very negative vibe around him will lift considerably.
I can't remember another Leeds player that has had so much toxicity attached to him. Irrespective of the gutting disappointment at losing tonight as a direct consequence of that missed pen on a human level you would hope for his sake that his fortunes on the pitch for Leeds improve because it's quite uncomfortable and tragic to observe now.
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By my reckoning, Macca, Bamford’s penalty misses last season, and the time in the games when they occurred, may well have led to the loss of five points. All hypothetical, I know, but there is no greater a master of the crucial penalty miss than Bamford.
The bigger question is how the fu€k he was allowed to take the ball and place it on the spot without so much as a whimper of dissent. That speaks to his authority in the dressing room and, arguably, the seniority of the promotion players who are still there.
Rebuilding a team is a rare skill and there are plenty examples of teams who have failed, and are failing at it. There is still some way to go at Elland Road before we exorcise our demons, but letting Bamford take that penalty suggests that we are a long way from being the team we would like to be.
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Yes totally agree Farkness and I think all of us woke up this morning really stung and shocked by last night's poor showing and jolting us back down to pessimistic levels plus a lot of fans are now starting to question DF because the team selection and not rectifying it much sooner at HT is on him although the players that did play did not get to even half the level of Norwich away last Saturday and 3 or 4 of them surprised me how easily they were bullied by Stoke and were totally ineffective.
Then there's the pen miss which hurts the most because when Farke took Piroe the designated penalty taker off he must surely have known the overwhelming consensus of fan opinion regarding not wanting Bamford anywhere near having that responsibility if it cropped up which it did and DF most definitely should have not allowed what followed to take place.... he certainly won't make that mistake again.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Captain doesnt decide who takes the pens 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why the hell would they 🤷🏻♂️
Thats the managers job.
Or we saying Captain and bamford, should have been grappling over the ball 🤣🤣🤣
Listen to yourselves.
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So the captain just picks which side of the pitch they want then?
The captain is a teams most INFLUENCIAL player, the player who others in the side LISTEN too and take INSTRUCTIONS from and follow. A bigger personality, a proper captain would have taken the ball off Bamford and gave it to someone else. If I was captain of that side last night, I aint letting Bamford anywhere near it, if the manager doesn't like that, I take off the armband.
posted on 26/10/23
People are not saying the captain necessarily chooses who takes the penalty, what people are implying is that a captain shouldn't have let Bamford take it given his form and record.
posted on 26/10/23
when has a captain ever gone up to the penalty taker taken ball off him and said he aint taking it 🤣🤣🤣
Never.
It doesnt happen because, any professional outfit, has the penalty takers already known before a game.
So either Bamford was the designated pen taker or the manager hasnt done his job properly.
To suggest the captain decides who takes pens mid game, is bizarre
posted on 26/10/23
The captain is a teams most INFLUENCIAL player, the player who others in the side LISTEN too and take INSTRUCTIONS from and follow
——————————-
Come on, these are professional players who have played at the too level. You really think this is what happens on a football pitch 🤦
posted on 26/10/23
Beren Cross reporting today that Summerville wanted the penalty and asked Struijk, but Bamford wasn't having any of it. Captain material that is.....
posted on 26/10/23
On the penalty: "I want Piroe to take it. Piroe is our main taker but it was difficult because of the substitutions. Patrick created it with perfect movement. He's experienced. He took the responsibility. That's football
——————————————-
100% the managers fault.
Captain shouldnt be deciding who takes pens
posted on 26/10/23
Young Gray at RB, up against Vidigal and Bamford wearing clown boots just about summed the evening up for me.
Probably disingenuous to judge Gruev on one game but he was poor. Piroe was Awol last night.
posted on 26/10/23
Another couple of points on the penalty, firstly would we have got it with Piroe on the pitch, at least Bamford makes that difference, game after game you wonder where the hell the guy has gone, Farke might want him on the pitch to take the penalty but he needs a Bamford type player who poses a threat to win a penalty in the first place.
The second is, we were in the ascendency, why did the penalty miss suck all the life out of the team? Bamford might have missed the penalty but then Stoke tails were then up, I can understand that, but why were we so fragile? Bamford wasn't the only guy out there.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by A Little Bit of Dennis (U23086)
posted 38 minutes ago
Another couple of points on the penalty, firstly would we have got it with Piroe on the pitch, at least Bamford makes that difference, game after game you wonder where the hell the guy has gone, Farke might want him on the pitch to take the penalty but he needs a Bamford type player who poses a threat to win a penalty in the first place.
The second is, we were in the ascendency, why did the penalty miss suck all the life out of the team? Bamford might have missed the penalty but then Stoke tails were then up, I can understand that, but why were we so fragile? Bamford wasn't the only guy out there.
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Good points and I’ve got no immediate answers I’m afraid. It really baffles me how we can, seemingly out of the blue, put in such an abject performance as last night.
posted on 26/10/23
So either Bamford was the designated pen taker or the manager hasnt done his job properly.
^^^
Or, Bamford's just so full of himself, he seriously
thinks he's the best choice to take a penalty.
Someone within our set up needs to pull him aside
and remind him he's a shell of what he was. And
he was never that great to begin with.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
…. And he was never that great to begin with.
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and there’s the comment that shows a true ‘hater’.
posted on 26/10/23
A reminder of the Bamford we (and he) wants
https://x.com/lufc/status/1397225136600793089?s=46
posted on 27/10/23
^
Playing in empty stadiums. Two years + ago.
Whatever that behind-closed-doors-Bamford was,
it was many moons, missed penalties, scuffed
chances, hissy fits, and injuries ago.
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