Where did I say they haven’t used civilian buildings for cover?
And I wouldn’t believe everything you read or hear from either side. The first casualty of war is the truth. You clearly only believe anything pro Israel.
And you’ve clearly ignored everything that’s built up to the 7th October. Clearly. It’s the only reason for your stance-the one you said you weren’t taking.
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And neither the IDF nor Hamas give their religions bad names.
It's like saying Lucy Letby gives all nurses a bad name.
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No it's not. Pretty sure all moderate muslims would agree the world be a better place without the Taliban, ISIS or Hamas.
Hamas filmed themselves on 7th Oct shouting Allah Akbar, whilst killing Israeli's in their homes.
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If a Celtic fan decided to kill a load of Rangers fans while singing Celtic songs, would that give all Celtic fans a bad name?
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It doesn't enhanced their name though does it?
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You agree it isn't representative of all Celtic fans and it doesn't give all Celtic fans a bad name though?
Which was your original statement witg regards to Hamas and the IDF being representative of all Muslims/Jews.
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You're comparing one celtic fan with hundreds of Hamas militants whose mandate is to kill jews. Does Celtic have a similar mandate? No. It's a daft comparison.
Hamas does have separate bases away from civilian structures btw. They do of course store weaponry in civilian structures. Most of Hamas infrastructure is underground though.
They also had a mock Israeli village that they were training in for two years, separate from other structures and even posted videos online of them practicing air drops and going door to door either killing occupants or tying them up.
Israel were well aware that the sort of assualt that occurred on the 7th was coming. They knew of the existence of this camp and training ground. Did nothing about it despite bombing several other Hamas sites over the years.
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And neither the IDF nor Hamas give their religions bad names.
It's like saying Lucy Letby gives all nurses a bad name.
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No it's not. Pretty sure all moderate muslims would agree the world be a better place without the Taliban, ISIS or Hamas.
Hamas filmed themselves on 7th Oct shouting Allah Akbar, whilst killing Israeli's in their homes.
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If a Celtic fan decided to kill a load of Rangers fans while singing Celtic songs, would that give all Celtic fans a bad name?
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It doesn't enhanced their name though does it?
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You agree it isn't representative of all Celtic fans and it doesn't give all Celtic fans a bad name though?
Which was your original statement witg regards to Hamas and the IDF being representative of all Muslims/Jews.
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You're comparing one celtic fan with hundreds of Hamas militants whose mandate is to kill jews. Does Celtic have a similar mandate? No. It's a daft comparison.
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It's not.
You're conflating Hamas with all Muslims.
That's bigotry 101.
Hamas are not the responsibility of the 1.8 billion Muslims in the world and do not represent them.
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And neither the IDF nor Hamas give their religions bad names.
It's like saying Lucy Letby gives all nurses a bad name.
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No it's not. Pretty sure all moderate muslims would agree the world be a better place without the Taliban, ISIS or Hamas.
Hamas filmed themselves on 7th Oct shouting Allah Akbar, whilst killing Israeli's in their homes.
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If a Celtic fan decided to kill a load of Rangers fans while singing Celtic songs, would that give all Celtic fans a bad name?
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It doesn't enhanced their name though does it?
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You agree it isn't representative of all Celtic fans and it doesn't give all Celtic fans a bad name though?
Which was your original statement witg regards to Hamas and the IDF being representative of all Muslims/Jews.
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You're comparing one celtic fan with hundreds of Hamas militants whose mandate is to kill jews. Does Celtic have a similar mandate? No. It's a daft comparison.
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It's not.
You're conflating Hamas with all Muslims.
That's bigotry 101.
Hamas are not the responsibility of the 1.8 billion Muslims in the world and do not represent them.
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Never said they did but they do give muslims a bad name like Isis and the Taliban. That's a fact.
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Finally, why have Palestinians been killed for X years in the West Bank, even though there is no Hamas there?
Zionist will argue Hamas put the kids there. The whole thing is a mess and has been since 1948.
Hamas need to release the hostages to have any chance for the Palestinian people but they won't. They give all muslims a bad name. They hide behind the Palestinian people. Netanyahu has played them like book. I think he stopped caring about the jewish people after all the unrest against him, so he let the attack happen to gain control. It's a game of chess for him. Is his end game to conquer Gaza and then steal more land? Probably.
You have a generation on both sides who are taught from young, to hate each other. Kill each other even.
That whole part of the world has been at war for centuries. Long before 1948. It's fully woven in their DNA.
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"They give all muslims a bad name"
Does the IDF give all Jews a bad name?
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Yes. They failed to defend their people and are now killing innocent people.
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Did the AyeRA give all Irish people or Catholics a bad name?
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Aye.
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Finally, why have Palestinians been killed for X years in the West Bank, even though there is no Hamas there?
Zionist will argue Hamas put the kids there. The whole thing is a mess and has been since 1948.
Hamas need to release the hostages to have any chance for the Palestinian people but they won't. They give all muslims a bad name. They hide behind the Palestinian people. Netanyahu has played them like book. I think he stopped caring about the jewish people after all the unrest against him, so he let the attack happen to gain control. It's a game of chess for him. Is his end game to conquer Gaza and then steal more land? Probably.
You have a generation on both sides who are taught from young, to hate each other. Kill each other even.
That whole part of the world has been at war for centuries. Long before 1948. It's fully woven in their DNA.
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"They give all muslims a bad name"
Does the IDF give all Jews a bad name?
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Yes. They failed to defend their people and are now killing innocent people.
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Did the AyeRA give all Irish people or Catholics a bad name?
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Aye.
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I was waiting for your reply
Good debate guys. Just watching Piers Morgan and again a very thought provoking show 🤝
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Hamas kill hundreds of innocent people-evil.
Israel kills thousands of innocent Palestinians-a wee bit wrong.
For a guy that doesn’t want to take a stance, you’re not doing very well.
I can’t get my head round folk that value the lives of one set of innocent people over the other.
Have you read that link yet renegade?
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You’ve clearly only read what you wanted to, I tarred the prime minister with the brush - I’m not here calling Palestinians evil yet you’re happy to tar Israel with that brush….
Hamas target civilians, Israel have a disregard for them and are targeting Hamas following their attack, and it just so happens they hide behind civilians.
Clearly there’s Israeli’s who have committed evil acts and are - but they don’t as a whole set out to murder children, women etc, and don’t direct their soldiers to behead and torture.
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I’ve also been clear that it’s the Israeli government. Your only comment was you ‘could see’ Netanyahu being tarred with that brush.
You’re getting yourself all mixed up.
You’re ignoring all the Palestinian civilians that have been murdered up to now, and that if Israel are targeting Hamas, then with all their sophisticated weaponry then they’re not doing very well.
I think you should read up a bit more before commenting, or at least acknowledge that link I’ve provided twice and you’ve yet to mention.
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Acting like Hamas have military bases and don’t operate out of schools, civilian areas etc…. Think you need to read up yourself. Hamas weren’t even letting civilians leave when Israel were saying to leave areas.
I’ve not ignored anything.
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Which exits were open for these people to leave through?
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Where did I say they haven’t used civilian buildings for cover?
And I wouldn’t believe everything you read or hear from either side. The first casualty of war is the truth. You clearly only believe anything pro Israel.
And you’ve clearly ignored everything that’s built up to the 7th October. Clearly. It’s the only reason for your stance-the one you said you weren’t taking.
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I’ve literally said there’s clear propaganda from both sides And I’m not taking a side. Said they’re both wrong.
Only difference I’ve said is setting out to target civilians, beheading, raping and torturing them is evil. Clearly you think differently when you think that makes me pro-Israel. Mental.
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Which exits were open for these people to leave through?
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Is it Israel’s fault that Egypt have limited the crossing for years? Not the fault of Palestine years ago that led to Egypt doing that… Never mind other neighbours like Jordan refusing to take them.
Israel told them to go South. I’ve already said Israel are wrong in their approach. Simply saying Hamas have further shown a complete disregard for civilians, in addition to using them as shields and in their propaganda.
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Where did I say they haven’t used civilian buildings for cover?
And I wouldn’t believe everything you read or hear from either side. The first casualty of war is the truth. You clearly only believe anything pro Israel.
And you’ve clearly ignored everything that’s built up to the 7th October. Clearly. It’s the only reason for your stance-the one you said you weren’t taking.
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I’ve literally said there’s clear propaganda from both sidesAnd I’m not taking a side. Said they’re both wrong.
Only difference I’ve said is setting out to target civilians, beheading, raping and torturing them is evil. Clearly you think differently when you think that makes me pro-Israel. Mental.
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Again is there any evidence of beheadings?
The IDF absolutely do target civilians (including women, children, journalists) and absolutely do torture children.
Yet you’ve only ever used the propaganda from the Israel side-the story about the hospital bombing (you really should take a look at the stuff they released in the immediate aftermath, who the BBC used to say it was most likely to have been Hamas, and what channel 4 said), and all the info they’ve released about October 7th. You’ve gone into a bit of detail about it, and yet Israeli soldiers who you’ve stated are committing war crimes, and all the innocents they’ve slaughtered aren’t evil. The Palestinian civilians have been targeted, raped and tortured for years. But aye-whataboutery. That’s a level of deflection to justify a stance.
I’ll leave it at that.
Btw-your use of smilies during this is a bit weird. I know it’s your go to position to show your disdain of someone else’s point, but still. Weird.
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Where did I say they haven’t used civilian buildings for cover?
And I wouldn’t believe everything you read or hear from either side. The first casualty of war is the truth. You clearly only believe anything pro Israel.
And you’ve clearly ignored everything that’s built up to the 7th October. Clearly. It’s the only reason for your stance-the one you said you weren’t taking.
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I’ve literally said there’s clear propaganda from both sidesAnd I’m not taking a side. Said they’re both wrong.
Only difference I’ve said is setting out to target civilians, beheading, raping and torturing them is evil. Clearly you think differently when you think that makes me pro-Israel. Mental.
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Again is there any evidence of beheadings?
The IDF absolutely do target civilians (including women, children, journalists) and absolutely do torture children.
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I mean it seems like a lot of journalists sat through that, and even worse…
Seems like you’ve fallen for propaganda. Clearly evil IDF soldiers, but quite clearly the IDF haven’t targeted going door to door murdering and pillaging thousands of Palestinian civilians.
Israel indiscriminately air strike Hamas targets with s complete disregard for civilians. IDF soldiers haven’t gone on a rampage, yet anyway.
I haven't fallen for any propaganda, I'm just giving you a few basic facts.
Each side are guilty of human rights abuses and war crimes. Israel has numerous UN human rights violations against it.
The IDF target and murder Palestinian civilians every year, including women and children.
You can't call one side evil without acknowledging the other side have committed evil acts also.
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Yet you’ve only ever used the propaganda from the Israel side-the story about the hospital bombing (you really should take a look at the stuff they released in the immediate aftermath, who the BBC used to say it was most likely to have been Hamas, and what channel 4 said), and all the info they’ve released about October 7th. You’ve gone into a bit of detail about it, and yet Israeli soldiers who you’ve stated are committing war crimes, and all the innocents they’ve slaughtered aren’t evil. The Palestinian civilians have been targeted, raped and tortured for years. But aye-whataboutery. That’s a level of deflection to justify a stance.
I’ll leave it at that.
Btw-your use of smilies during this is a bit weird. I know it’s your go to position to show your disdain of someone else’s point, but still. Weird.
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Again you’re not replying to my post because you’re trying to twist what I’ve said.
My detail on the hospital was quite simple - Israeli air strikes cause complete devastation; are you arguing otherwise now? Nonsense to suggest otherwise, and doesn’t fit what you’re trying to argue or what your trying to say I am saying. There was an explosion in the car park, Israeli’s would’ve flattened the area and hospital if they’d struck it.
Clearly I’ve said there are evil Israelis. Why I mentioned soldiers committing war crimes in the first place How is that evidence of me listening to one side
I’m happy to reply to your posts. Said theres propaganda on both sides. I’m not supporting a side and said both sides are in the wrong. You clearly are picking a side, and you pick and chose what you reply to.
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I haven't fallen for any propaganda, I'm just giving you a few basic facts.
Each side are guilty of human rights abuses and war crimes. Israel has numerous UN human rights violations against it.
The IDF target and murder Palestinian civilians every year, including women and children.
You can't call one side evil without acknowledging the other side have committed evil acts also.
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Quite simply, if Israel wanted to flatten Gaza they could have a long time ago. If Hamas could have flattened Israel, it would have already happened.
Israel though are now using the massacre of their civilians to flatten as much as they can it seems.
Still waiting for K7 to share his conflict experience. More than likely he was referring to the many battles he has had with his keyboard. Seems the obvious conclusion lol.
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Still waiting for K7 to share his conflict experience. More than likely he was referring to the many battles he has had with his keyboard. Seems the obvious conclusion lol.
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Ha ha ha. So funny I forgot to laugh.
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Where did I say they haven’t used civilian buildings for cover?
And I wouldn’t believe everything you read or hear from either side. The first casualty of war is the truth. You clearly only believe anything pro Israel.
And you’ve clearly ignored everything that’s built up to the 7th October. Clearly. It’s the only reason for your stance-the one you said you weren’t taking.
posted on 26/10/23
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And neither the IDF nor Hamas give their religions bad names.
It's like saying Lucy Letby gives all nurses a bad name.
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No it's not. Pretty sure all moderate muslims would agree the world be a better place without the Taliban, ISIS or Hamas.
Hamas filmed themselves on 7th Oct shouting Allah Akbar, whilst killing Israeli's in their homes.
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If a Celtic fan decided to kill a load of Rangers fans while singing Celtic songs, would that give all Celtic fans a bad name?
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It doesn't enhanced their name though does it?
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You agree it isn't representative of all Celtic fans and it doesn't give all Celtic fans a bad name though?
Which was your original statement witg regards to Hamas and the IDF being representative of all Muslims/Jews.
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You're comparing one celtic fan with hundreds of Hamas militants whose mandate is to kill jews. Does Celtic have a similar mandate? No. It's a daft comparison.
posted on 26/10/23
Hamas does have separate bases away from civilian structures btw. They do of course store weaponry in civilian structures. Most of Hamas infrastructure is underground though.
They also had a mock Israeli village that they were training in for two years, separate from other structures and even posted videos online of them practicing air drops and going door to door either killing occupants or tying them up.
Israel were well aware that the sort of assualt that occurred on the 7th was coming. They knew of the existence of this camp and training ground. Did nothing about it despite bombing several other Hamas sites over the years.
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And neither the IDF nor Hamas give their religions bad names.
It's like saying Lucy Letby gives all nurses a bad name.
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No it's not. Pretty sure all moderate muslims would agree the world be a better place without the Taliban, ISIS or Hamas.
Hamas filmed themselves on 7th Oct shouting Allah Akbar, whilst killing Israeli's in their homes.
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If a Celtic fan decided to kill a load of Rangers fans while singing Celtic songs, would that give all Celtic fans a bad name?
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It doesn't enhanced their name though does it?
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You agree it isn't representative of all Celtic fans and it doesn't give all Celtic fans a bad name though?
Which was your original statement witg regards to Hamas and the IDF being representative of all Muslims/Jews.
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You're comparing one celtic fan with hundreds of Hamas militants whose mandate is to kill jews. Does Celtic have a similar mandate? No. It's a daft comparison.
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It's not.
You're conflating Hamas with all Muslims.
That's bigotry 101.
Hamas are not the responsibility of the 1.8 billion Muslims in the world and do not represent them.
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And neither the IDF nor Hamas give their religions bad names.
It's like saying Lucy Letby gives all nurses a bad name.
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No it's not. Pretty sure all moderate muslims would agree the world be a better place without the Taliban, ISIS or Hamas.
Hamas filmed themselves on 7th Oct shouting Allah Akbar, whilst killing Israeli's in their homes.
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If a Celtic fan decided to kill a load of Rangers fans while singing Celtic songs, would that give all Celtic fans a bad name?
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It doesn't enhanced their name though does it?
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You agree it isn't representative of all Celtic fans and it doesn't give all Celtic fans a bad name though?
Which was your original statement witg regards to Hamas and the IDF being representative of all Muslims/Jews.
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You're comparing one celtic fan with hundreds of Hamas militants whose mandate is to kill jews. Does Celtic have a similar mandate? No. It's a daft comparison.
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It's not.
You're conflating Hamas with all Muslims.
That's bigotry 101.
Hamas are not the responsibility of the 1.8 billion Muslims in the world and do not represent them.
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Never said they did but they do give muslims a bad name like Isis and the Taliban. That's a fact.
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Finally, why have Palestinians been killed for X years in the West Bank, even though there is no Hamas there?
Zionist will argue Hamas put the kids there. The whole thing is a mess and has been since 1948.
Hamas need to release the hostages to have any chance for the Palestinian people but they won't. They give all muslims a bad name. They hide behind the Palestinian people. Netanyahu has played them like book. I think he stopped caring about the jewish people after all the unrest against him, so he let the attack happen to gain control. It's a game of chess for him. Is his end game to conquer Gaza and then steal more land? Probably.
You have a generation on both sides who are taught from young, to hate each other. Kill each other even.
That whole part of the world has been at war for centuries. Long before 1948. It's fully woven in their DNA.
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"They give all muslims a bad name"
Does the IDF give all Jews a bad name?
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Yes. They failed to defend their people and are now killing innocent people.
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Did the AyeRA give all Irish people or Catholics a bad name?
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Aye.
posted on 26/10/23
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posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Finally, why have Palestinians been killed for X years in the West Bank, even though there is no Hamas there?
Zionist will argue Hamas put the kids there. The whole thing is a mess and has been since 1948.
Hamas need to release the hostages to have any chance for the Palestinian people but they won't. They give all muslims a bad name. They hide behind the Palestinian people. Netanyahu has played them like book. I think he stopped caring about the jewish people after all the unrest against him, so he let the attack happen to gain control. It's a game of chess for him. Is his end game to conquer Gaza and then steal more land? Probably.
You have a generation on both sides who are taught from young, to hate each other. Kill each other even.
That whole part of the world has been at war for centuries. Long before 1948. It's fully woven in their DNA.
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"They give all muslims a bad name"
Does the IDF give all Jews a bad name?
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Yes. They failed to defend their people and are now killing innocent people.
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Did the AyeRA give all Irish people or Catholics a bad name?
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Aye.
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I was waiting for your reply
posted on 26/10/23
Good debate guys. Just watching Piers Morgan and again a very thought provoking show 🤝
posted on 26/10/23
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comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 12 minutes ago
Hamas kill hundreds of innocent people-evil.
Israel kills thousands of innocent Palestinians-a wee bit wrong.
For a guy that doesn’t want to take a stance, you’re not doing very well.
I can’t get my head round folk that value the lives of one set of innocent people over the other.
Have you read that link yet renegade?
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You’ve clearly only read what you wanted to, I tarred the prime minister with the brush - I’m not here calling Palestinians evil yet you’re happy to tar Israel with that brush….
Hamas target civilians, Israel have a disregard for them and are targeting Hamas following their attack, and it just so happens they hide behind civilians.
Clearly there’s Israeli’s who have committed evil acts and are - but they don’t as a whole set out to murder children, women etc, and don’t direct their soldiers to behead and torture.
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I’ve also been clear that it’s the Israeli government. Your only comment was you ‘could see’ Netanyahu being tarred with that brush.
You’re getting yourself all mixed up.
You’re ignoring all the Palestinian civilians that have been murdered up to now, and that if Israel are targeting Hamas, then with all their sophisticated weaponry then they’re not doing very well.
I think you should read up a bit more before commenting, or at least acknowledge that link I’ve provided twice and you’ve yet to mention.
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Acting like Hamas have military bases and don’t operate out of schools, civilian areas etc…. Think you need to read up yourself. Hamas weren’t even letting civilians leave when Israel were saying to leave areas.
I’ve not ignored anything.
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Which exits were open for these people to leave through?
posted on 26/10/23
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
Where did I say they haven’t used civilian buildings for cover?
And I wouldn’t believe everything you read or hear from either side. The first casualty of war is the truth. You clearly only believe anything pro Israel.
And you’ve clearly ignored everything that’s built up to the 7th October. Clearly. It’s the only reason for your stance-the one you said you weren’t taking.
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I’ve literally said there’s clear propaganda from both sides And I’m not taking a side. Said they’re both wrong.
Only difference I’ve said is setting out to target civilians, beheading, raping and torturing them is evil. Clearly you think differently when you think that makes me pro-Israel. Mental.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
Which exits were open for these people to leave through?
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Is it Israel’s fault that Egypt have limited the crossing for years? Not the fault of Palestine years ago that led to Egypt doing that… Never mind other neighbours like Jordan refusing to take them.
Israel told them to go South. I’ve already said Israel are wrong in their approach. Simply saying Hamas have further shown a complete disregard for civilians, in addition to using them as shields and in their propaganda.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
Where did I say they haven’t used civilian buildings for cover?
And I wouldn’t believe everything you read or hear from either side. The first casualty of war is the truth. You clearly only believe anything pro Israel.
And you’ve clearly ignored everything that’s built up to the 7th October. Clearly. It’s the only reason for your stance-the one you said you weren’t taking.
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I’ve literally said there’s clear propaganda from both sidesAnd I’m not taking a side. Said they’re both wrong.
Only difference I’ve said is setting out to target civilians, beheading, raping and torturing them is evil. Clearly you think differently when you think that makes me pro-Israel. Mental.
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Again is there any evidence of beheadings?
The IDF absolutely do target civilians (including women, children, journalists) and absolutely do torture children.
posted on 26/10/23
Yet you’ve only ever used the propaganda from the Israel side-the story about the hospital bombing (you really should take a look at the stuff they released in the immediate aftermath, who the BBC used to say it was most likely to have been Hamas, and what channel 4 said), and all the info they’ve released about October 7th. You’ve gone into a bit of detail about it, and yet Israeli soldiers who you’ve stated are committing war crimes, and all the innocents they’ve slaughtered aren’t evil. The Palestinian civilians have been targeted, raped and tortured for years. But aye-whataboutery. That’s a level of deflection to justify a stance.
I’ll leave it at that.
Btw-your use of smilies during this is a bit weird. I know it’s your go to position to show your disdain of someone else’s point, but still. Weird.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
Where did I say they haven’t used civilian buildings for cover?
And I wouldn’t believe everything you read or hear from either side. The first casualty of war is the truth. You clearly only believe anything pro Israel.
And you’ve clearly ignored everything that’s built up to the 7th October. Clearly. It’s the only reason for your stance-the one you said you weren’t taking.
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I’ve literally said there’s clear propaganda from both sidesAnd I’m not taking a side. Said they’re both wrong.
Only difference I’ve said is setting out to target civilians, beheading, raping and torturing them is evil. Clearly you think differently when you think that makes me pro-Israel. Mental.
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Again is there any evidence of beheadings?
The IDF absolutely do target civilians (including women, children, journalists) and absolutely do torture children.
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I mean it seems like a lot of journalists sat through that, and even worse…
Seems like you’ve fallen for propaganda. Clearly evil IDF soldiers, but quite clearly the IDF haven’t targeted going door to door murdering and pillaging thousands of Palestinian civilians.
Israel indiscriminately air strike Hamas targets with s complete disregard for civilians. IDF soldiers haven’t gone on a rampage, yet anyway.
posted on 26/10/23
I haven't fallen for any propaganda, I'm just giving you a few basic facts.
Each side are guilty of human rights abuses and war crimes. Israel has numerous UN human rights violations against it.
The IDF target and murder Palestinian civilians every year, including women and children.
You can't call one side evil without acknowledging the other side have committed evil acts also.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
Yet you’ve only ever used the propaganda from the Israel side-the story about the hospital bombing (you really should take a look at the stuff they released in the immediate aftermath, who the BBC used to say it was most likely to have been Hamas, and what channel 4 said), and all the info they’ve released about October 7th. You’ve gone into a bit of detail about it, and yet Israeli soldiers who you’ve stated are committing war crimes, and all the innocents they’ve slaughtered aren’t evil. The Palestinian civilians have been targeted, raped and tortured for years. But aye-whataboutery. That’s a level of deflection to justify a stance.
I’ll leave it at that.
Btw-your use of smilies during this is a bit weird. I know it’s your go to position to show your disdain of someone else’s point, but still. Weird.
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Again you’re not replying to my post because you’re trying to twist what I’ve said.
My detail on the hospital was quite simple - Israeli air strikes cause complete devastation; are you arguing otherwise now? Nonsense to suggest otherwise, and doesn’t fit what you’re trying to argue or what your trying to say I am saying. There was an explosion in the car park, Israeli’s would’ve flattened the area and hospital if they’d struck it.
Clearly I’ve said there are evil Israelis. Why I mentioned soldiers committing war crimes in the first place How is that evidence of me listening to one side
I’m happy to reply to your posts. Said theres propaganda on both sides. I’m not supporting a side and said both sides are in the wrong. You clearly are picking a side, and you pick and chose what you reply to.
posted on 26/10/23
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 3 minutes ago
I haven't fallen for any propaganda, I'm just giving you a few basic facts.
Each side are guilty of human rights abuses and war crimes. Israel has numerous UN human rights violations against it.
The IDF target and murder Palestinian civilians every year, including women and children.
You can't call one side evil without acknowledging the other side have committed evil acts also.
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Quite simply, if Israel wanted to flatten Gaza they could have a long time ago. If Hamas could have flattened Israel, it would have already happened.
Israel though are now using the massacre of their civilians to flatten as much as they can it seems.
posted on 27/10/23
Still waiting for K7 to share his conflict experience. More than likely he was referring to the many battles he has had with his keyboard. Seems the obvious conclusion lol.
posted on 27/10/23
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 5 hours, 57 minutes ago
Still waiting for K7 to share his conflict experience. More than likely he was referring to the many battles he has had with his keyboard. Seems the obvious conclusion lol.
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Ha ha ha. So funny I forgot to laugh.
You know, you're not quite the character you think you are saan.
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