It’s only a matter of time before he goes

Some will blame the glazers or the players but he’s made plenty of mistakes himself and it would seem the players don’t particularly relate to his commands

Let the cycle start again

What do you think is going to happen when we sack ETH? Anything different?

You can add ETH style players to the list of players the next boss will have, along with Ole style players, Jose style players, and so on.

But yeah you lot keep calling for the next one to get sacked, and 2 years from now undoubtedly our next boss after ETH too.

People calling for Zidane ffs 🤣

This team just don't have goals in it, so hard to see him turning it around. Big mistake not getting another forward this summer.

Out of interest OP why would anyone be interested in your position

I dont see the point in sacking him. Who do we replace him with?

Nothing will change until the Glazers are out.

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 4 seconds ago
I dont see the point in sacking him. Who do we replace him with?

Nothing will change until the Glazers are out.
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If we keep losing then the logical thing to do is sack him. Managers lose players. Keeping them doesn’t magically make them play better if they’ve given up on him and the more losses that happen the more of a joke we as a club become.

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 7 minutes ago
I dont see the point in sacking him. Who do we replace him with?

Nothing will change until the Glazers are out.
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This. We get a new manager for the players to give up on in 18 months time. All we achieve is muddy the water with more players that don't fit well with the players of previous managers.

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 13 minutes ago
I dont see the point in sacking him. Who do we replace him with?

Nothing will change until the Glazers are out.
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This mindset is the single dumbest thing ever. By that logic we should have never sacked Moyes. Its a bit difficult to change ownership than change ownership.

I just read some place, (unsure if its true) if you sack Bald Hag before hes been at the club 18 months you have to pay up all his contract of 75 million. what a bizarre club you have.. 350 thousand a week for Sancho

comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 13 minutes ago
I dont see the point in sacking him. Who do we replace him with?

Nothing will change until the Glazers are out.
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This mindset is the single dumbest thing ever. By that logic we should have never sacked Moyes. Its a bit difficult to change ownership than change ownership.
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Why is it? Every season we get comments about how this is the worst United team ever, except we hear this comment every season, under LvG, Jose, Ole, now ETH.
Nothing has changed since we've gone through all these managers.

The worst period was the last few months of Jose. It wasn't just toxic it was venomous.

Is 10 years of going through 5 managers not enough time for people to understand that manager number 6 will not change anything? Which of the previous 5 changed anything at the club?

I'd rather we just remain consistently rubbish with the same manager than remain consistently rubbish with different managers

I`d be going all out for Mark Hughes

His time is up. A defeated man.

United need a proven squad builder and to allow him to make a drastic overhaul even if it means a season in mid table. Even if he wants to sell Rashford and Bruno.

DeZerbi would be interesting and probably wouldn't go spend all the budget on 3/4 big players. I think it needs someone buying lots of potential then building on it over a couple of seasons before spending big for the missing parts when he's got a cohesive squad.

They must to be ruthless with the losers currently there first.

ETH is partially to blame for on pitch stuff. The team look clueless.

But at the same time, someone has to take responsibilities for the personnel in the squad. Many of the buys have not worked and you still look like you need a new RB CB DM CM and FWD.

Relying on players deemed not good enough 2 or 3 seasons ago.

It's very reminiscent of Spurs, trying something different with the same old player and same old problems. But this shows there is hope as a new manager and some youthful signings and the mood, which was getting very toxic, has done a u-turn

I just don't get this argument that "we can't keep changing managers".

I mean why not? It's obvious that the players are simply not playing for him anymore and they don't trust his tactics ... There's just no coming back from that as a manager at this level.

Looking at the results and the apparent lack of progress this season then I don't think ETH could have too many complaints if he were to be sacked.

However, I don't think the club is in a stable enough position at present to give another manager the boot so I do think he'll stay. That is crazy though really as a well run club wouldn't think like that. However, we're not so here we are.

The club is ill from the top to the bottom. Hannibal, to be fair, tried yesterday but there wasn't much thought behind it. It was pretty brainless. We need cool heads as well.

Just read now that Johnny Giles said on the radio that Bruno needs a good captain who'll tell him to calm down at times. I fully agree. The only issue is that I don't see anyone who could replace him really. There are no real candidates that stand out or who would be available every week.

The "why sack him because there is nobody else out there" argument is absolutely ludicrous.

comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 3 minutes ago
The "why sack him because there is nobody else out there" argument is absolutely ludicrous.
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Yeah I don't get that either really. But, then again, United aren't a normal club at present. What could possibly be saving him is the mess that's going on upstairs.

If you sack him then realistically who do you get? Definitely not a short term option like a Zidane or a Conte. ETH was presumably brought in as a project type manager, the only one that’s jumping out is Dezerbi but one of the reasons he’s doing so well (and yes clearly he’s a good coach) is the recruitment infrastructure at Brighton. That is an area where Utd are sorely lacking, there is no joined up plan and DeZerbi alone won’t solve that as he piggy backed onto what Brighton already had. Utds problems run way deeper than just sacking ETH.

comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 minute ago
If you sack him then realistically who do you get? Definitely not a short term option like a Zidane or a Conte. ETH was presumably brought in as a project type manager, the only one that’s jumping out is Dezerbi but one of the reasons he’s doing so well (and yes clearly he’s a good coach) is the recruitment infrastructure at Brighton. That is an area where Utd are sorely lacking, there is no joined up plan and DeZerbi alone won’t solve that as he piggy backed onto what Brighton already had. Utds problems run way deeper than just sacking ETH.
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Assured destruction is always better

Dezerbi but one of the reasons he’s doing so well (and yes clearly he’s a good coach) is the recruitment infrastructure at Brighton.
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Thank you.

Recruitment has been our single biggest problem for the past decade. And going to put it out there - given the same financial resource, i think an average coach with an excellent recruitment operation behind him would perform better than a very good coach who has to deal with the mess we have. We have a global scouting network but have just spent another summer almost exclusively chasing players who have played for Ten Hag, or who he has wanted previously. Yes, Ten Hag is largely to blame for that, but the greater accountability lies with the people responsible for the structure which allows him to do it.

I'm pretty ambivalent towards Ten Hag at the moment - with major changes at board level due imminently I think we'll hold fire right now. If Ratcliffe's team come in and decide he needs to go, I won't have a problem with it. But I would hope they make that decision after making an effort to diagnose the actual issue. Otherwise you can get whatever manager you want in, they'll meet the same problems eventually.

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 minutes ago
Dezerbi but one of the reasons he’s doing so well (and yes clearly he’s a good coach) is the recruitment infrastructure at Brighton.
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Thank you.

Recruitment has been our single biggest problem for the past decade. And going to put it out there - given the same financial resource, i think an average coach with an excellent recruitment operation behind him would perform better than a very good coach who has to deal with the mess we have. We have a global scouting network but have just spent another summer almost exclusively chasing players who have played for Ten Hag, or who he has wanted previously. Yes, Ten Hag is largely to blame for that, but the greater accountability lies with the people responsible for the structure which allows him to do it.

I'm pretty ambivalent towards Ten Hag at the moment - with major changes at board level due imminently I think we'll hold fire right now. If Ratcliffe's team come in and decide he needs to go, I won't have a problem with it. But I would hope they make that decision after making an effort to diagnose the actual issue. Otherwise you can get whatever manager you want in, they'll meet the same problems eventually.
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I understand now. What we need is a manager who can work under terrible conditions. Ten Hag still needs sacling

Rinse and repeat

Sorry to say but ETH has gone very Mourinho this season. Everything he says and does this season screams out to me as someone that hasn't got what he wanted and is paving the way for him to leave one way or another.

What we need is a manager who can work under terrible conditions.
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And who is that?