comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 37 seconds ago
What we need is a manager who can work under terrible conditions.
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And who is that?
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Ange is a good example (not saying get him but I just mean he is an example).
Took over a club with Poch, Jose, Nuno and Conte players all with different styles and who had just sold their best player and replaced him with Brennan Johnson.
Top of the league now with no defeats and loads of goals.
There are managers out there who are able to step into a mess and make lemonade from lemons.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 29 seconds ago
What we need is a manager who can work under terrible conditions.
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And who is that?
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Thats the million dollar question? I would honestly have no idea of a candidate that would defo improve us with all that is going on, out of form players, poor shape, owners circus etc etc
Guess that's why I'm not employed in football, tough calls ahead at Utd sadly
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 37 seconds ago
What we need is a manager who can work under terrible conditions.
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And who is that?
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Ange is a good example (not saying get him but I just mean he is an example).
Took over a club with Poch, Jose, Nuno and Conte players all with different styles and who had just sold their best player and replaced him with Brennan Johnson.
Top of the league now with no defeats and loads of goals.
There are managers out there who are able to step into a mess and make lemonade from lemons.
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I mean fine, if you say so, but surely the actual sensible thing to do is to fix the root cause of the issue, rather than hope we stumble across someone who can pull a miracle or two out of his arrse? As I said, I have no strong feeling towards Ten Hag either way, but we're at the point where we really need to be diagnosing the actual problem instead of going round in this cycle of madness. If Ten Hag is one of those problems, fine. But we all know he isn't the only one.
On Spurs btw - while we're talking about recruitment, it's kind of going under the radar that theirs has been spot on this summer. 4 first team players who have looked absolutely excellent, and 3 of them barely anyone had heard of. I wonder how Ange would be fairing if they'd just poached a load of players from Celtic instead.
Of course Ten Hag isn’t the only problem but things would look a lot better if we had a manager who could inherit players and make them look better as well as make good signings.
Under the glazers I doubt we’ll ever be a world class side again but I’m not really too fussed about being the best these days. I’d just be happy to see a manager who didn’t make such obvious mistakes that even we can see are stupid.
The rhetoric on this board is strikingly similar to how it was among Spurs fans last summer. You'd be surprised how much and how quickly things can change under the right manager.
Then again, there are very few managers like Ange out there, and Spurs lucked out bigtime with him considering he was about 7th choice and was only hired after all the preferred candidates said no. And on top of that, Spurs have (to Levy's credit) started working on getting a proper, data-driven, joined-up recruitment team in place over the past few years, which Ange has benefited hugely from.
Tough time to be a United fan, because it's hard to see how any one change will bring a long-term solution. There's a combination of factors causing the rot, so there's a combination of changes needed to fix it all.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
What we need is a manager who can work under terrible conditions.
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And who is that?
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Not Ten Hag clearly
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 3 minutes ago
The "why sack him because there is nobody else out there" argument is absolutely ludicrous.
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Yeah I don't get that either really. But, then again, United aren't a normal club at present. What could possibly be saving him is the mess that's going on upstairs.
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What mess is that?
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 3 minutes ago
The "why sack him because there is nobody else out there" argument is absolutely ludicrous.
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Yeah I don't get that either really. But, then again, United aren't a normal club at present. What could possibly be saving him is the mess that's going on upstairs.
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What mess is that?
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The owners and the people they've hired to run football operations ever since SAF left. From the best team in the league to mid-table in ten years.
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posted on 2/11/23
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 37 seconds ago
What we need is a manager who can work under terrible conditions.
-----------
And who is that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ange is a good example (not saying get him but I just mean he is an example).
Took over a club with Poch, Jose, Nuno and Conte players all with different styles and who had just sold their best player and replaced him with Brennan Johnson.
Top of the league now with no defeats and loads of goals.
There are managers out there who are able to step into a mess and make lemonade from lemons.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 29 seconds ago
What we need is a manager who can work under terrible conditions.
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And who is that?
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Thats the million dollar question? I would honestly have no idea of a candidate that would defo improve us with all that is going on, out of form players, poor shape, owners circus etc etc
Guess that's why I'm not employed in football, tough calls ahead at Utd sadly
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 37 seconds ago
What we need is a manager who can work under terrible conditions.
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And who is that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ange is a good example (not saying get him but I just mean he is an example).
Took over a club with Poch, Jose, Nuno and Conte players all with different styles and who had just sold their best player and replaced him with Brennan Johnson.
Top of the league now with no defeats and loads of goals.
There are managers out there who are able to step into a mess and make lemonade from lemons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I mean fine, if you say so, but surely the actual sensible thing to do is to fix the root cause of the issue, rather than hope we stumble across someone who can pull a miracle or two out of his arrse? As I said, I have no strong feeling towards Ten Hag either way, but we're at the point where we really need to be diagnosing the actual problem instead of going round in this cycle of madness. If Ten Hag is one of those problems, fine. But we all know he isn't the only one.
On Spurs btw - while we're talking about recruitment, it's kind of going under the radar that theirs has been spot on this summer. 4 first team players who have looked absolutely excellent, and 3 of them barely anyone had heard of. I wonder how Ange would be fairing if they'd just poached a load of players from Celtic instead.
posted on 2/11/23
Of course Ten Hag isn’t the only problem but things would look a lot better if we had a manager who could inherit players and make them look better as well as make good signings.
Under the glazers I doubt we’ll ever be a world class side again but I’m not really too fussed about being the best these days. I’d just be happy to see a manager who didn’t make such obvious mistakes that even we can see are stupid.
posted on 2/11/23
The rhetoric on this board is strikingly similar to how it was among Spurs fans last summer. You'd be surprised how much and how quickly things can change under the right manager.
Then again, there are very few managers like Ange out there, and Spurs lucked out bigtime with him considering he was about 7th choice and was only hired after all the preferred candidates said no. And on top of that, Spurs have (to Levy's credit) started working on getting a proper, data-driven, joined-up recruitment team in place over the past few years, which Ange has benefited hugely from.
Tough time to be a United fan, because it's hard to see how any one change will bring a long-term solution. There's a combination of factors causing the rot, so there's a combination of changes needed to fix it all.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
What we need is a manager who can work under terrible conditions.
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And who is that?
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Not Ten Hag clearly
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 3 minutes ago
The "why sack him because there is nobody else out there" argument is absolutely ludicrous.
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Yeah I don't get that either really. But, then again, United aren't a normal club at present. What could possibly be saving him is the mess that's going on upstairs.
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What mess is that?
posted on 2/11/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 3 minutes ago
The "why sack him because there is nobody else out there" argument is absolutely ludicrous.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah I don't get that either really. But, then again, United aren't a normal club at present. What could possibly be saving him is the mess that's going on upstairs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What mess is that?
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The owners and the people they've hired to run football operations ever since SAF left. From the best team in the league to mid-table in ten years.
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