Forgetting the media for a second, if some of these poisonous brats that masquerade as players have it in for him then he’s toast
Problem is the next man is stuck with them too
I’m getting behind Ten Hag
Utter filth
I back him for three seasons. That’s enough time to make a team your own, your own style of play and getting good performances and results.
If not after three seasons then you move on.
We’ve chopped and changed managers loads of times but we don’t have footballing consistency above in the form of DoF with a consistent recruitment policy.
If we fire ETH, a new manager will come in. Sell a couple of the current players, sign a few of their own for a few hundred million pounds, we will do better, then worse then much worse then rinse and repeat.
Pointless….
I don't see the point in calling for him to be sacked when 1) we're clearly not in a position to appoint someone who is obviously better positioned to take us forward in the long-term, 2) connected to that, we're about to undergo a fundamental overhaul of sporting operations under new leadership. I also think we should expect some pain as the club irons out its long-term issues and rewires its tactics. We can certainly question his strategies and decisions, and argue that the amount of pain we're seeing is far more than necessary, but I think it would be naive to imagine it would be a straight line of upward progress. Look at Arteta's first couple of years at Arsenal for instance.
But more than that, I struggle to see where 'ETH out' takes us - other than utter tedium - within the confines of this forum. There's plenty to talk about in trying to understand the issues, decode the manager's decisions, figure out what could be done. A shining example of how this current predicament can be the subject of interesting debate can be found in the latest edition of the Stadio podcast (which I generally recommend very highly) where they have Carl Anka on as a guest trying to distil the issues facing United in the wake of the abject performance at Newcastle.
Here's the link to the Stadio episode for Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1nJsaP8yF5C1xvqIaz52Sl?si=188fa509951a4f8e
Don't worry you'll beat us tomorrow and his managerial career will be right back on track
Glazers have fecked up the club no end, if they sack Eth then they will be adding to the mess. Until full control is under anyone but the Glazers the mess will remain.
Eth needs time, support and above all the patience from all. 18 months is simply not enough to repair an imbalanced squad, sacking him will mean we are back to square - AGAIN! The football on display is not great, the poor results are not helping matters.
Will back him until we get another absolute tonking from
The dippers after which he can walk the plank .
Maybe we should just do a straight managerial swap
Pointless to sack him now.
No he's not perfect but it's highly unlikely we are going to bring in someone that is. And even if we could there are so many other factors that effect our ability to actually progress as a club that they would most likely not work anyway.
Give EtH time to actually build what he's trying to build, and back him.
If Ratcliffe is coming in and given control of footballing matters lets wait and see what he does and how his relationship with EtH goes. Maybe they strike up a good relationship and a DoF comes in who can actually help EtH. And if then they can't after a couple years then bring in the right person who fits in with Ratcliffe and the DoF.
Until then we need to be patient and back the manager. If there is unrest with the squad then they need to know that the manager isn't going anywhere anytime soon and if they really care then they need to start sorting themselves out rather than sulking and leaking sh-t to the press.
Cheers Russian, I'll give it a listen.
One of the biggest problems for ETH was the fact that we over-achieved last season, which led to unrealistic expectations for this season. Last season, a combination of some good management, luck and underperformance by other teams made it look like we were further ahead than what we were.
But this season, ETH has brought in a few of his own signings, so naturally you would expect us to progress - not only have we regressed, but others have progressed, to lead us to the current situation.
It almost doesn't matter if ETH is right or wrong in his treatment of the players - if the results are bad, and the players, or a good percentage of them, have lost faith in him, he won't survive.
I honestly don't know where we go from here, it feels like one of those damned if we do / damned if we don't situations
Well said OP, I'm sure most on here no I'm backing ETH for the reasons you give, also the reasons Sat Nav gave.
I would add we finished third last season and won a trophy.
This season we have been beset by injuries and poor form, neither of these are the managers fault imo.
With Rashford for example, a choice has to be made between dropping him and possibly making his confidence lower, or, playing him with the hope he recovers it. Personally I would have played him up to about now, but I think it's time to take him out of the firing line for a while.
I'm pleased he's integrated two young players in the team, and that Maguire has backed him on and off the pitch. Also a player being off form doesn't mean he doesn't back the manager.
I don't say the futures bright because I don't know, but am happy to wait and see.
There is also no guarantee this quasi structure where a minority shareholder is given full, if not significant, control of football operations would work. We simply do not know what the reality will be like given the novel nature of the set up. The hope is we'll strike it lucky with the Glazers playing minimal part, allowing Jim to overhaul footballing operations. However, the ultimate decision making power sits fully with the majority shareholders - the Glazers, for now!
I would like to see Eth given a vote of confidence to allow him to work along with Jim and a capable DoF. If after, say, 2 to 3 seasons he is showing no sign of progress then it would make Eth's position untenable. Parting company now would be pointless.
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 12 seconds ago
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
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There is a way back. But that is entirely up to Sancho.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 15 seconds ago
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
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I don't think it massively disrupts the team, I've never heard a super popular figure, and they no the reasons.
And there is a way back , apologise to ETH, turn up on time, and work hard
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 12 seconds ago
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
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There is a way back. But that is entirely up to Sancho.
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You beat me to it.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 15 seconds ago
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
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I don't think it massively disrupts the team, I've never heard a super popular figure, and they no the reasons.
And there is a way back , apologise to ETH, turn up on time, and work hard
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Know*
I don't have an issue with how he dealt with Sancho, yes you can say that maybe he should keep it private but he really didn't say anything bad.
Matic has just come out today and said Sancho (and Pogba) were regularly late for training (and that this never happened at Chelsea), this is an issue that's clearly been going on for far too long and isn't acceptable. All Sancho had to do was apologise but he's too much of a baby to do that.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 15 seconds ago
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
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Sancho created his own mess. Could Eth have managed it better, quite possibly but if you have given someone every chance, given him every benefit of doubt and this same player is simply taking the Michael then what choice does a manager have? That social media post by Sancho countered what Eth said during a press conference, therefore someone was lying. It's a matter of principle and discipline.
The poor culture and attitude are epitomised by the likes of Sancho and even Rashford with the lack of effort. Their egos are simply too big and when performances fail to match those sizable egos there is little hiding place. Both and others in the squad need removing, this selfish attitude is what's holding us back, also not helped by the club rewarding them with huge undeserved contracts.
Tbf, right now there might not actually be a way back for Sancho. No reason for the reconciliation to not have happened by now. Perhaps bridges have well and truly been burned.
Personally, I don't think I'd want him back in the team anyway. As bad as we've been, he's never really shown the form or even the work ethic that would improve us even the slightest amount.
But, whilst he's manager and keeps trying to set standards then I'll be backing him.
how is the manager trying to set standards?
if rashford is in a funk, why is he selecting him, and not antony (the manager's signing)?
if martial can't/won't press, why is he choosing him over hojlund (the manager's signing)?
mctominay cannot play as a deeper lying midfielder, we've had what, 6 years to figure that out? why can't the manager figure that out? what does that say about amrabat, another player brought in under the current manager?
vs newcastle 8 of the players chosen featured regularly under previous managers - garnacho, mainoo and onana the execptions - so if we want to go with the "players throwing manager under bus" narrative, why is he picking them?
he's had 18 months and £400m to figure this out - and many of these issues would be apparent just from watching tapes of our old matches, which i presume the manager did before joining - so i find it weird how willing people are to give him more rope. we're certainly the only fanbase out there where i regularly see people claim that the manager can't be judged until he has "his team", as if every manager in world football should be allowed to change 25 players, at the cost of hundreds (and hundreds) of millions of pounds, before we can judge him.
Find it unbelievable that people think he messed up with Sancho. EtH is right in that you need to have high standards and professionalism. Sancho has demonstrated neither at his time at the club.
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posted on 5/12/23
Forgetting the media for a second, if some of these poisonous brats that masquerade as players have it in for him then he’s toast
Problem is the next man is stuck with them too
posted on 5/12/23
I’m getting behind Ten Hag
Utter filth
posted on 5/12/23
#ETHIN
#backtheboss
posted on 5/12/23
I back him for three seasons. That’s enough time to make a team your own, your own style of play and getting good performances and results.
If not after three seasons then you move on.
We’ve chopped and changed managers loads of times but we don’t have footballing consistency above in the form of DoF with a consistent recruitment policy.
If we fire ETH, a new manager will come in. Sell a couple of the current players, sign a few of their own for a few hundred million pounds, we will do better, then worse then much worse then rinse and repeat.
Pointless….
posted on 5/12/23
I don't see the point in calling for him to be sacked when 1) we're clearly not in a position to appoint someone who is obviously better positioned to take us forward in the long-term, 2) connected to that, we're about to undergo a fundamental overhaul of sporting operations under new leadership. I also think we should expect some pain as the club irons out its long-term issues and rewires its tactics. We can certainly question his strategies and decisions, and argue that the amount of pain we're seeing is far more than necessary, but I think it would be naive to imagine it would be a straight line of upward progress. Look at Arteta's first couple of years at Arsenal for instance.
But more than that, I struggle to see where 'ETH out' takes us - other than utter tedium - within the confines of this forum. There's plenty to talk about in trying to understand the issues, decode the manager's decisions, figure out what could be done. A shining example of how this current predicament can be the subject of interesting debate can be found in the latest edition of the Stadio podcast (which I generally recommend very highly) where they have Carl Anka on as a guest trying to distil the issues facing United in the wake of the abject performance at Newcastle.
posted on 5/12/23
Here's the link to the Stadio episode for Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1nJsaP8yF5C1xvqIaz52Sl?si=188fa509951a4f8e
posted on 5/12/23
Don't worry you'll beat us tomorrow and his managerial career will be right back on track
posted on 5/12/23
Glazers have fecked up the club no end, if they sack Eth then they will be adding to the mess. Until full control is under anyone but the Glazers the mess will remain.
Eth needs time, support and above all the patience from all. 18 months is simply not enough to repair an imbalanced squad, sacking him will mean we are back to square - AGAIN! The football on display is not great, the poor results are not helping matters.
posted on 5/12/23
Will back him until we get another absolute tonking from
The dippers after which he can walk the plank .
posted on 5/12/23
Maybe we should just do a straight managerial swap
posted on 5/12/23
Pointless to sack him now.
No he's not perfect but it's highly unlikely we are going to bring in someone that is. And even if we could there are so many other factors that effect our ability to actually progress as a club that they would most likely not work anyway.
Give EtH time to actually build what he's trying to build, and back him.
If Ratcliffe is coming in and given control of footballing matters lets wait and see what he does and how his relationship with EtH goes. Maybe they strike up a good relationship and a DoF comes in who can actually help EtH. And if then they can't after a couple years then bring in the right person who fits in with Ratcliffe and the DoF.
Until then we need to be patient and back the manager. If there is unrest with the squad then they need to know that the manager isn't going anywhere anytime soon and if they really care then they need to start sorting themselves out rather than sulking and leaking sh-t to the press.
posted on 5/12/23
Cheers Russian, I'll give it a listen.
posted on 5/12/23
One of the biggest problems for ETH was the fact that we over-achieved last season, which led to unrealistic expectations for this season. Last season, a combination of some good management, luck and underperformance by other teams made it look like we were further ahead than what we were.
But this season, ETH has brought in a few of his own signings, so naturally you would expect us to progress - not only have we regressed, but others have progressed, to lead us to the current situation.
It almost doesn't matter if ETH is right or wrong in his treatment of the players - if the results are bad, and the players, or a good percentage of them, have lost faith in him, he won't survive.
I honestly don't know where we go from here, it feels like one of those damned if we do / damned if we don't situations
posted on 5/12/23
Well said OP, I'm sure most on here no I'm backing ETH for the reasons you give, also the reasons Sat Nav gave.
I would add we finished third last season and won a trophy.
This season we have been beset by injuries and poor form, neither of these are the managers fault imo.
With Rashford for example, a choice has to be made between dropping him and possibly making his confidence lower, or, playing him with the hope he recovers it. Personally I would have played him up to about now, but I think it's time to take him out of the firing line for a while.
I'm pleased he's integrated two young players in the team, and that Maguire has backed him on and off the pitch. Also a player being off form doesn't mean he doesn't back the manager.
I don't say the futures bright because I don't know, but am happy to wait and see.
posted on 5/12/23
There is also no guarantee this quasi structure where a minority shareholder is given full, if not significant, control of football operations would work. We simply do not know what the reality will be like given the novel nature of the set up. The hope is we'll strike it lucky with the Glazers playing minimal part, allowing Jim to overhaul footballing operations. However, the ultimate decision making power sits fully with the majority shareholders - the Glazers, for now!
I would like to see Eth given a vote of confidence to allow him to work along with Jim and a capable DoF. If after, say, 2 to 3 seasons he is showing no sign of progress then it would make Eth's position untenable. Parting company now would be pointless.
posted on 5/12/23
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
posted on 5/12/23
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 12 seconds ago
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
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There is a way back. But that is entirely up to Sancho.
posted on 5/12/23
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 15 seconds ago
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
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I don't think it massively disrupts the team, I've never heard a super popular figure, and they no the reasons.
And there is a way back , apologise to ETH, turn up on time, and work hard
posted on 5/12/23
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 12 seconds ago
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
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There is a way back. But that is entirely up to Sancho.
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You beat me to it.
posted on 5/12/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 15 seconds ago
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
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I don't think it massively disrupts the team, I've never heard a super popular figure, and they no the reasons.
And there is a way back , apologise to ETH, turn up on time, and work hard
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Know*
posted on 5/12/23
I don't have an issue with how he dealt with Sancho, yes you can say that maybe he should keep it private but he really didn't say anything bad.
Matic has just come out today and said Sancho (and Pogba) were regularly late for training (and that this never happened at Chelsea), this is an issue that's clearly been going on for far too long and isn't acceptable. All Sancho had to do was apologise but he's too much of a baby to do that.
posted on 5/12/23
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 15 seconds ago
I'm still just about on his side, but I think he really messed up with Sancho. Whatever your thoughts on Sancho's behaviour, it was obvious that it would massively disrupt the team to kick him out with seemingly no way back.
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Sancho created his own mess. Could Eth have managed it better, quite possibly but if you have given someone every chance, given him every benefit of doubt and this same player is simply taking the Michael then what choice does a manager have? That social media post by Sancho countered what Eth said during a press conference, therefore someone was lying. It's a matter of principle and discipline.
The poor culture and attitude are epitomised by the likes of Sancho and even Rashford with the lack of effort. Their egos are simply too big and when performances fail to match those sizable egos there is little hiding place. Both and others in the squad need removing, this selfish attitude is what's holding us back, also not helped by the club rewarding them with huge undeserved contracts.
posted on 5/12/23
Tbf, right now there might not actually be a way back for Sancho. No reason for the reconciliation to not have happened by now. Perhaps bridges have well and truly been burned.
Personally, I don't think I'd want him back in the team anyway. As bad as we've been, he's never really shown the form or even the work ethic that would improve us even the slightest amount.
posted on 5/12/23
But, whilst he's manager and keeps trying to set standards then I'll be backing him.
how is the manager trying to set standards?
if rashford is in a funk, why is he selecting him, and not antony (the manager's signing)?
if martial can't/won't press, why is he choosing him over hojlund (the manager's signing)?
mctominay cannot play as a deeper lying midfielder, we've had what, 6 years to figure that out? why can't the manager figure that out? what does that say about amrabat, another player brought in under the current manager?
vs newcastle 8 of the players chosen featured regularly under previous managers - garnacho, mainoo and onana the execptions - so if we want to go with the "players throwing manager under bus" narrative, why is he picking them?
he's had 18 months and £400m to figure this out - and many of these issues would be apparent just from watching tapes of our old matches, which i presume the manager did before joining - so i find it weird how willing people are to give him more rope. we're certainly the only fanbase out there where i regularly see people claim that the manager can't be judged until he has "his team", as if every manager in world football should be allowed to change 25 players, at the cost of hundreds (and hundreds) of millions of pounds, before we can judge him.
posted on 5/12/23
Find it unbelievable that people think he messed up with Sancho. EtH is right in that you need to have high standards and professionalism. Sancho has demonstrated neither at his time at the club.
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