Agree with most of this!
We really do need a squad revamp though, get rid of the deadwood, and the injury prone players.
I noticed Robb has posted 4 articles in the last 3 days since we lost to Bournemouth and Bayern, but before that he only posted 4 articles in 3 weeks while we were winning.
comment by House (U17162)
posted 10 minutes ago
I noticed Robb has posted 4 articles in the last 3 days since we lost to Bournemouth and Bayern, but before that he only posted 4 articles in 3 weeks while we were winning.
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It's what he does, then filters you when you call him out the gimp
Back to the OP, agree with the most. He's made some daft mistakes of his own making but equally he's been shafted with some rotten luck too!
I think the jury is back in on Onana and he's schit.
United need a new manager and a huge squad revamp even if it leaves them midtable for a season or two.
Get the mercenaries moved on, let the contracts run down or sell on the cheap. Cut price moves for all the players with bad attitudes.
Stop signing guys and 70/80m and gamble on 40m players for a few seasons on lower money so they can be shifted if they don't make it.
ETH has been here long enough to give us some idea of how we want to play - I'm still not sure? Antony is no good, but neither is Onana. I fear that Hojlund should be good, but we seem to be doing our best to make his life as difficult as possible.
Agree that ETH needs to take captaincy away from Bruno and just let him focus on playing, captain material he is not.
ETH was forced to give Maguire another chance - he had no other options. But I don't think he has man-managed him well at all, and I have to give Maguire credit rather than ETH. (remember we were going to sell him)
ETH has stuck to his guns, and the faith he shows in both Antony and Onana will probably be his downfall.
When ETH first arrived, like so many others, it felt like he was the right guy, but it doesn't always work out that way. I don't doubt his effort, it just doesn't feel right - we have many issues, but I don't think he has the skills to do what we need. Not many will, and we could bring in someone else who proves not up to it either. But we can't be scared of recognising when something isn't right, and that's where we are right now
I think the captain thing is always overstated in the UK. No point giving it to slabhead or Varane as neither are really guaranteed starters now. Bruno is our best player and while his form has dipped I think he is a perfectly fine captain as the players seem to respect him, he plays all the time and while he's no captain marvel I do think he has a lot of fighting spirit that most of our squad lack.
I do think injuries have hindered our ability to play the way EtH wants but it is just part of the game and he isn't complaining tbf.
Transfers have been diabolical but the truth is a competent run club wouldn't be giving the manager as much influence on transfers as EtH seems to have been given so the issue really lies with the club and not the manager.
Yes our football is hard to watch and EtH has made lots of mistakes and we look miles off being remotely good atm but he needs to be backed and allowed to try and achieve whatever it is he is trying to do (he's said it's to make the best transitioning side in the world).
Sacking him now will achieve nothing. We at least need to bring in Ratcliffe and his team and let them assess EtH and see if he fits in with their ideas. We make far too many rash short term plans that hinder us badly in the long run. Be patient, get the injured players back, give Ratcliffe time to assess EtH and then take it from there.
ETH’s stuck between a rock and a hard place I think. We’ve transitioned from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 this season but we haven’t got the right mix of players to make it work yet, and injuries and form issues have compounded matters.
We seem to have players who would actually better suit going back to 4-2-3-1, but we’d then be throwing away the work done on the high press and playing out through a 3-1-6 shape in possession. This is the tricky part about evolving a team in real time, with injuries and a squad that is full of players who aren’t up to scratch. You either take the pain and push through with the core ideas with a longer term view, or you act more pragmatically in the short term. Last season we saw ETH make shorter term, pragmatic choices in the team shape and by fairly quickly ditching some of the passing from the GK position. This season we’ve evolved with a lot of teething issues & critical injuries and ETH seems to want to persevere at all costs. I quite admire that in a sense and feel two cup finals & a 3rd place finish last season should give him more time to get through this difficult transition. The biggest concern is that I’ve no faith in our recruitment to help the process along.
Whatever happens with ETH, it can’t happen before Ratcliffe is in the door and a new sporting operation is in place.
OP how about Lampard?
English
Knows the league
Won a bucket load of trophies
Proven at a lower level
2 speed bumps
Perfect time for him to rebuild and show what he’s actually capable of?
I'm not sure many of the players have the bravery to throw and apple into a bin with their mum watching.
That's the real issue.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 14 minutes ago
ETH’s stuck between a rock and a hard place I think. We’ve transitioned from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 this season but we haven’t got the right mix of players to make it work yet, and injuries and form issues have compounded matters.
We seem to have players who would actually better suit going back to 4-2-3-1, but we’d then be throwing away the work done on the high press and playing out through a 3-1-6 shape in possession. This is the tricky part about evolving a team in real time, with injuries and a squad that is full of players who aren’t up to scratch. You either take the pain and push through with the core ideas with a longer term view, or you act more pragmatically in the short term. Last season we saw ETH make shorter term, pragmatic choices in the team shape and by fairly quickly ditching some of the passing from the GK position. This season we’ve evolved with a lot of teething issues & critical injuries and ETH seems to want to persevere at all costs. I quite admire that in a sense and feel two cup finals & a 3rd place finish last season should give him more time to get through this difficult transition. The biggest concern is that I’ve no faith in our recruitment to help the process along.
Whatever happens with ETH, it can’t happen before Ratcliffe is in the door and a new sporting operation is in place.
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Yeah, this.
It's not exactly a case of 'He's been here for over a year and I can't see what he's trying to do!' You could see what he was trying to do last season - he obviously just thought it wasn't the way in the long-term to get to the top, which is fair.
The approach he's taken this season has been pretty radically different to last - that's been to our detriment so far. If he really has lost the players that's one thing, but if he hasnt (and no one actually knows despite how sure some are) I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and see how things come along for the rest of the season with us having one game a week, more time on the training pitch and some key players hopefully returning to the squad. If he can't get it right by May then yeah, he's out of excuses.
Equally, if Sir Jim's team comes in and decide he needs to leave straight away, I'm also OK with that - if they're planning on taking us in a completely different sporting direction there'd be no better time than the present to do it.
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 1 minute ago
OP how about Lampard?
English
Knows the league
Won a bucket load of trophies
Proven at a lower level
2 speed bumps
Perfect time for him to rebuild and show what he’s actually capable of?
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Hardly
You brehs play like Ten Hag's hairline. Regressed, ugly, with a hint of mid-90s Alan Wright/Mark Draper confusion. Unless you're Pep don't employ a bald manager.
Ps it's hella funny seeing your wack team from your wack city get even wacker. We laugh at ya'll daily, even when you win because mans know what finna happen next. Enjoy your history brehs.
comment by Stig - Camberwell's Finest Breh (U23121)
posted 5 minutes ago
You brehs play like Ten Hag's hairline. Regressed, ugly, with a hint of mid-90s Alan Wright/Mark Draper confusion. Unless you're Pep don't employ a bald manager.
Ps it's hella funny seeing your wack team from your wack city get even wacker. We laugh at ya'll daily, even when you win because mans know what finna happen next. Enjoy your history brehs.
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Pardon !
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 14 minutes ago
ETH’s stuck between a rock and a hard place I think. We’ve transitioned from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 this season but we haven’t got the right mix of players to make it work yet, and injuries and form issues have compounded matters.
We seem to have players who would actually better suit going back to 4-2-3-1, but we’d then be throwing away the work done on the high press and playing out through a 3-1-6 shape in possession. This is the tricky part about evolving a team in real time, with injuries and a squad that is full of players who aren’t up to scratch. You either take the pain and push through with the core ideas with a longer term view, or you act more pragmatically in the short term. Last season we saw ETH make shorter term, pragmatic choices in the team shape and by fairly quickly ditching some of the passing from the GK position. This season we’ve evolved with a lot of teething issues & critical injuries and ETH seems to want to persevere at all costs. I quite admire that in a sense and feel two cup finals & a 3rd place finish last season should give him more time to get through this difficult transition. The biggest concern is that I’ve no faith in our recruitment to help the process along.
Whatever happens with ETH, it can’t happen before Ratcliffe is in the door and a new sporting operation is in place.
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Yeah, this.
It's not exactly a case of 'He's been here for over a year and I can't see what he's trying to do!' You could see what he was trying to do last season - he obviously just thought it wasn't the way in the long-term to get to the top, which is fair.
The approach he's taken this season has been pretty radically different to last - that's been to our detriment so far. If he really has lost the players that's one thing, but if he hasnt (and no one actually knows despite how sure some are) I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and see how things come along for the rest of the season with us having one game a week, more time on the training pitch and some key players hopefully returning to the squad. If he can't get it right by May then yeah, he's out of excuses.
Equally, if Sir Jim's team comes in and decide he needs to leave straight away, I'm also OK with that - if they're planning on taking us in a completely different sporting direction there'd be no better time than the present to do it.
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Yep I’d agree with that. If Ratcliffe moves him on asap then so be it. I really just want to see us actually build a squad of good players with a bit of actual acumen and savvy in the market. We’ve missed so many good players on low/low-ish fees in recent seasons.
comment by Stig - Camberwell's Finest Breh (U23121)
posted 19 minutes ago
You brehs play like Ten Hag's hairline. Regressed, ugly, with a hint of mid-90s Alan Wright/Mark Draper confusion. Unless you're Pep don't employ a bald manager.
Ps it's hella funny seeing your wack team from your wack city get even wacker. We laugh at ya'll daily, even when you win because mans know what finna happen next. Enjoy your history brehs.
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Stop wacking off on our board, disgusting
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posted 4 minutes ago
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is this one of your socks
Reads like an evil version of you
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Give it a rest stig. Next comments get deleted.
I want to talk about ETH, not some faux Jamaican
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posted on 13/12/23
Agree with most of this!
We really do need a squad revamp though, get rid of the deadwood, and the injury prone players.
posted on 13/12/23
I noticed Robb has posted 4 articles in the last 3 days since we lost to Bournemouth and Bayern, but before that he only posted 4 articles in 3 weeks while we were winning.
posted on 13/12/23
comment by House (U17162)
posted 10 minutes ago
I noticed Robb has posted 4 articles in the last 3 days since we lost to Bournemouth and Bayern, but before that he only posted 4 articles in 3 weeks while we were winning.
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It's what he does, then filters you when you call him out the gimp
posted on 13/12/23
Back to the OP, agree with the most. He's made some daft mistakes of his own making but equally he's been shafted with some rotten luck too!
posted on 13/12/23
I think the jury is back in on Onana and he's schit.
United need a new manager and a huge squad revamp even if it leaves them midtable for a season or two.
Get the mercenaries moved on, let the contracts run down or sell on the cheap. Cut price moves for all the players with bad attitudes.
Stop signing guys and 70/80m and gamble on 40m players for a few seasons on lower money so they can be shifted if they don't make it.
posted on 13/12/23
ETH has been here long enough to give us some idea of how we want to play - I'm still not sure? Antony is no good, but neither is Onana. I fear that Hojlund should be good, but we seem to be doing our best to make his life as difficult as possible.
Agree that ETH needs to take captaincy away from Bruno and just let him focus on playing, captain material he is not.
ETH was forced to give Maguire another chance - he had no other options. But I don't think he has man-managed him well at all, and I have to give Maguire credit rather than ETH. (remember we were going to sell him)
ETH has stuck to his guns, and the faith he shows in both Antony and Onana will probably be his downfall.
When ETH first arrived, like so many others, it felt like he was the right guy, but it doesn't always work out that way. I don't doubt his effort, it just doesn't feel right - we have many issues, but I don't think he has the skills to do what we need. Not many will, and we could bring in someone else who proves not up to it either. But we can't be scared of recognising when something isn't right, and that's where we are right now
posted on 13/12/23
I think the captain thing is always overstated in the UK. No point giving it to slabhead or Varane as neither are really guaranteed starters now. Bruno is our best player and while his form has dipped I think he is a perfectly fine captain as the players seem to respect him, he plays all the time and while he's no captain marvel I do think he has a lot of fighting spirit that most of our squad lack.
I do think injuries have hindered our ability to play the way EtH wants but it is just part of the game and he isn't complaining tbf.
Transfers have been diabolical but the truth is a competent run club wouldn't be giving the manager as much influence on transfers as EtH seems to have been given so the issue really lies with the club and not the manager.
Yes our football is hard to watch and EtH has made lots of mistakes and we look miles off being remotely good atm but he needs to be backed and allowed to try and achieve whatever it is he is trying to do (he's said it's to make the best transitioning side in the world).
Sacking him now will achieve nothing. We at least need to bring in Ratcliffe and his team and let them assess EtH and see if he fits in with their ideas. We make far too many rash short term plans that hinder us badly in the long run. Be patient, get the injured players back, give Ratcliffe time to assess EtH and then take it from there.
posted on 13/12/23
ETH’s stuck between a rock and a hard place I think. We’ve transitioned from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 this season but we haven’t got the right mix of players to make it work yet, and injuries and form issues have compounded matters.
We seem to have players who would actually better suit going back to 4-2-3-1, but we’d then be throwing away the work done on the high press and playing out through a 3-1-6 shape in possession. This is the tricky part about evolving a team in real time, with injuries and a squad that is full of players who aren’t up to scratch. You either take the pain and push through with the core ideas with a longer term view, or you act more pragmatically in the short term. Last season we saw ETH make shorter term, pragmatic choices in the team shape and by fairly quickly ditching some of the passing from the GK position. This season we’ve evolved with a lot of teething issues & critical injuries and ETH seems to want to persevere at all costs. I quite admire that in a sense and feel two cup finals & a 3rd place finish last season should give him more time to get through this difficult transition. The biggest concern is that I’ve no faith in our recruitment to help the process along.
Whatever happens with ETH, it can’t happen before Ratcliffe is in the door and a new sporting operation is in place.
posted on 13/12/23
OP how about Lampard?
English
Knows the league
Won a bucket load of trophies
Proven at a lower level
2 speed bumps
Perfect time for him to rebuild and show what he’s actually capable of?
posted on 13/12/23
I'm not sure many of the players have the bravery to throw and apple into a bin with their mum watching.
That's the real issue.
posted on 13/12/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 14 minutes ago
ETH’s stuck between a rock and a hard place I think. We’ve transitioned from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 this season but we haven’t got the right mix of players to make it work yet, and injuries and form issues have compounded matters.
We seem to have players who would actually better suit going back to 4-2-3-1, but we’d then be throwing away the work done on the high press and playing out through a 3-1-6 shape in possession. This is the tricky part about evolving a team in real time, with injuries and a squad that is full of players who aren’t up to scratch. You either take the pain and push through with the core ideas with a longer term view, or you act more pragmatically in the short term. Last season we saw ETH make shorter term, pragmatic choices in the team shape and by fairly quickly ditching some of the passing from the GK position. This season we’ve evolved with a lot of teething issues & critical injuries and ETH seems to want to persevere at all costs. I quite admire that in a sense and feel two cup finals & a 3rd place finish last season should give him more time to get through this difficult transition. The biggest concern is that I’ve no faith in our recruitment to help the process along.
Whatever happens with ETH, it can’t happen before Ratcliffe is in the door and a new sporting operation is in place.
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Yeah, this.
It's not exactly a case of 'He's been here for over a year and I can't see what he's trying to do!' You could see what he was trying to do last season - he obviously just thought it wasn't the way in the long-term to get to the top, which is fair.
The approach he's taken this season has been pretty radically different to last - that's been to our detriment so far. If he really has lost the players that's one thing, but if he hasnt (and no one actually knows despite how sure some are) I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and see how things come along for the rest of the season with us having one game a week, more time on the training pitch and some key players hopefully returning to the squad. If he can't get it right by May then yeah, he's out of excuses.
Equally, if Sir Jim's team comes in and decide he needs to leave straight away, I'm also OK with that - if they're planning on taking us in a completely different sporting direction there'd be no better time than the present to do it.
posted on 13/12/23
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 1 minute ago
OP how about Lampard?
English
Knows the league
Won a bucket load of trophies
Proven at a lower level
2 speed bumps
Perfect time for him to rebuild and show what he’s actually capable of?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hardly
posted on 13/12/23
You brehs play like Ten Hag's hairline. Regressed, ugly, with a hint of mid-90s Alan Wright/Mark Draper confusion. Unless you're Pep don't employ a bald manager.
Ps it's hella funny seeing your wack team from your wack city get even wacker. We laugh at ya'll daily, even when you win because mans know what finna happen next. Enjoy your history brehs.
posted on 13/12/23
comment by Stig - Camberwell's Finest Breh (U23121)
posted 5 minutes ago
You brehs play like Ten Hag's hairline. Regressed, ugly, with a hint of mid-90s Alan Wright/Mark Draper confusion. Unless you're Pep don't employ a bald manager.
Ps it's hella funny seeing your wack team from your wack city get even wacker. We laugh at ya'll daily, even when you win because mans know what finna happen next. Enjoy your history brehs.
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Pardon !
posted on 13/12/23
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 14 minutes ago
ETH’s stuck between a rock and a hard place I think. We’ve transitioned from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 this season but we haven’t got the right mix of players to make it work yet, and injuries and form issues have compounded matters.
We seem to have players who would actually better suit going back to 4-2-3-1, but we’d then be throwing away the work done on the high press and playing out through a 3-1-6 shape in possession. This is the tricky part about evolving a team in real time, with injuries and a squad that is full of players who aren’t up to scratch. You either take the pain and push through with the core ideas with a longer term view, or you act more pragmatically in the short term. Last season we saw ETH make shorter term, pragmatic choices in the team shape and by fairly quickly ditching some of the passing from the GK position. This season we’ve evolved with a lot of teething issues & critical injuries and ETH seems to want to persevere at all costs. I quite admire that in a sense and feel two cup finals & a 3rd place finish last season should give him more time to get through this difficult transition. The biggest concern is that I’ve no faith in our recruitment to help the process along.
Whatever happens with ETH, it can’t happen before Ratcliffe is in the door and a new sporting operation is in place.
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Yeah, this.
It's not exactly a case of 'He's been here for over a year and I can't see what he's trying to do!' You could see what he was trying to do last season - he obviously just thought it wasn't the way in the long-term to get to the top, which is fair.
The approach he's taken this season has been pretty radically different to last - that's been to our detriment so far. If he really has lost the players that's one thing, but if he hasnt (and no one actually knows despite how sure some are) I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and see how things come along for the rest of the season with us having one game a week, more time on the training pitch and some key players hopefully returning to the squad. If he can't get it right by May then yeah, he's out of excuses.
Equally, if Sir Jim's team comes in and decide he needs to leave straight away, I'm also OK with that - if they're planning on taking us in a completely different sporting direction there'd be no better time than the present to do it.
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Yep I’d agree with that. If Ratcliffe moves him on asap then so be it. I really just want to see us actually build a squad of good players with a bit of actual acumen and savvy in the market. We’ve missed so many good players on low/low-ish fees in recent seasons.
posted on 13/12/23
comment by Stig - Camberwell's Finest Breh (U23121)
posted 19 minutes ago
You brehs play like Ten Hag's hairline. Regressed, ugly, with a hint of mid-90s Alan Wright/Mark Draper confusion. Unless you're Pep don't employ a bald manager.
Ps it's hella funny seeing your wack team from your wack city get even wacker. We laugh at ya'll daily, even when you win because mans know what finna happen next. Enjoy your history brehs.
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Stop wacking off on our board, disgusting
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is this one of your socks
Reads like an evil version of you
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Give it a rest stig. Next comments get deleted.
I want to talk about ETH, not some faux Jamaican
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