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Goals for rest of season

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posted on 3/1/24

Goals for rest of season
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I'm gonna say 3

posted on 3/1/24

comment by Frank van Eijs (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
Goals for rest of season
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I'm gonna say 3
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Booom. 😂

You're optimistic aren't you? 😜

posted on 3/1/24

They'd be nice!

posted on 3/1/24

In all seriousness I think the aim should be to get some structure in place above the manager (whether that's Erik or another).

Also, I do think we should aim to try and win the FA Cup as well as aim for top 4/5 (yes, I know!). The clubs above us, barring Spurs, are still in Europe so we should be fresher come the end of the season.

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 3/1/24

People will always point to reasons like injuries, or what has been happening in the background as to our struggles, and of course that has an effect, but it's still not acceptable where we are in the table.

We keep hearing about the club needing a big overhaul, but on the pitch, there is still no identity, style of play etc - since ETH has come in, I'm honestly still not sure what he is trying to get us to do - he can talk all he wants about what he wants us to do, but it's not coming across. Yes, players have been injured, but you still want the squad playing in the same way, and I don't what that is, and I mean visually on the pitch.

If it was 2 steps forward and one back, that would be fine, but there seems to be no progression at all. Perhaps if Ineos were involved before ETH was here, things would be different for him, but we can't turn back the clock. Sadly for ETH, he is deeply linked with a lot of our problems, and so much so that probably he isn't the right guy to turn it around. It may be that it's simply a step too far regardless, only an elite few make it at the very top, and they are hard to find.

I honestly don't know who is the right person to replace him, but recent history shouldn't stop us recognising if we have the wrong person in charge, no matter how badly we want him to succeed.

As for the rest of the season, I don't buy into this it would be good for us not to be in Europe next season - a club like Utd should be in Europe every season, even if it's not the CL. It does amuse me that clubs build up squads to try and get into Europe, and then complain when they have to play umpteen games - that is the 'price' of success.

There have been no excuses for some of the poor performances we have put in already this season - these are seasoned internationals, and they need to respond with actions, not well-meaning words off the pitch

posted on 3/1/24

We keep hearing about the club needing a big overhaul, but on the pitch, there is still no identity, style of play etc - since ETH has come in, I'm honestly still not sure what he is trying to get us to do - he can talk all he wants about what he wants us to do, but it's not coming across. Yes, players have been injured, but you still want the squad playing in the same way, and I don't what that is, and I mean visually on the pitch.
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Every manager hired after SAF all seem to play the same boring predictable style with no cohesion at all. LVG was the only one where you could see what he was trying to do, but even that wasn't a great watch.

The odd thing is, is always starts of great where you think hey, I can see what the manager is trying to do, then half way point after about 18 games in, it all falls apart and the football defaults back to the usual predicable rubbish. Its like the upper management are like no, that's not the Utd way, play the Utd way, we don't know what the Utd way is but just do it. And we end up with this tuuuurd.

posted on 3/1/24

I don’t get fans writing off their season at this stage, especially at a club like Man United. Sure you are not going to win the league, but the FA cup is always possible and if you beat us (Spurs) at home in the next game then you are only five points off us in 5th which is a potential CL place this season

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 3/1/24

Look at most of the league, and the teams play with energy and are usually creating chances. We seem to play at a slow pace, until we fall behind and then decide, ok, we need a bit of urgency of here. We can't always rely on a comeback like we did against Villa. Let's play with that thrust from the start - that for me is down to attitude of the players and having belief, but of course ETH needs to instill that also.

We are so inconsistent, so of course the Cup is a possibility, but until we start producing that consistency, it's hard to see us stringing a winning run in the league. Remember, rightly or wrongly, at the start of this season, we were thinking of top 4 and carrying on from last season, but now a struggle to get any type of European for next season - negative, yes, but sadly a reality of where we are.

posted on 3/1/24

comment by Frank van Eijs (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Goals for rest of season
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I'm gonna say 3
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posted on 3/1/24

Win the FA Cup? Unless we somehow manage to reach the final without having to play any half decent PL team we haven’t got a chance. Our record against the top half of the PL is appalling.

posted on 3/1/24

In terms of aspirations for the season, since we've killed our chances in the key competitions, mine are more about performance level than where we finish. There's always stuff to find interesting and to get invested in with football. If the big prize is off the table, there's always the sub-plots.

For ETH the goal has to be at a minimum to have a sustained period in which we are performing as well as we did for the first three months or so of 2023. To develop more coherent patterns of play and re-establish players' confidence in what their game plan and each other's movements. It's clear we will end with fewer points than last season, but if the second half has a clear trajectory of the squad matching and looking like surpassing the quality of the football we reached in 22-23, then he has a shot at keeping his job. Barely match the best of last year and he can have no complaints at getting sacked.

My other focus this year is seeing development in the players who I hope can be part of the future of the club. E.g. I'd like to see Mainoo grow more confident and influential. I'd like to see more of Amad who (though overlooked amid the debacle at Forest) I thought immediately looked a more confident, rounded and effective player than Antony (and Pellistri). I'm keen to see Hojlund kick on. Also hoping we'll see Mount have an extended period of fitness and start to contribute to the team.

posted on 3/1/24

The issue with changing the manager again is your left with players he wanted, that Ole wanted, that Jose wanted and that LVG wanted.

Might be time to invest in a football director that states a plan for the type of player you are going to buy and then appoints a manager that can work with that - like an elite version of Brighton.

Otherwise the new man comes in, needs 2 or 3 of his own players - who you pay through the nose for because you are Man United and Antony/Sancho/Martial/Maguire all sit on the bench collecting huge wages

posted on 3/1/24

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 42 seconds ago
Win the FA Cup? Unless we somehow manage to reach the final without having to play any half decent PL team we haven’t got a chance. Our record against the top half of the PL is appalling.
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You wouldn’t be the first team to get a run like that

posted on 3/1/24

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 42 seconds ago
Win the FA Cup? Unless we somehow manage to reach the final without having to play any half decent PL team we haven’t got a chance. Our record against the top half of the PL is appalling.
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You wouldn’t be the first team to get a run like that
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happens to City every year.

posted on 3/1/24

comment by Half a Big Bite - Darwin's it! (U7237)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 42 seconds ago
Win the FA Cup? Unless we somehow manage to reach the final without having to play any half decent PL team we haven’t got a chance. Our record against the top half of the PL is appalling.
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You wouldn’t be the first team to get a run like that
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happens to City every year.
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United themselves until this season, hadn’t been drawn away from home in the league cup since 2020 - bearing in mind they won it last year - so it’s not a small run, I think it was 13 home ties on the bounce

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 3/1/24

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 50 minutes ago
The issue with changing the manager again is your left with players he wanted, that Ole wanted, that Jose wanted and that LVG wanted.

Might be time to invest in a football director that states a plan for the type of player you are going to buy and then appoints a manager that can work with that - like an elite version of Brighton.

Otherwise the new man comes in, needs 2 or 3 of his own players - who you pay through the nose for because you are Man United and Antony/Sancho/Martial/Maguire all sit on the bench collecting huge wages
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That's the case with any club where you change the manager. But if the manager isn't right for the job, that doesn't mean you don't change him. We are all aware of various issues in the background that need to be fixed also - getting the entire blend right isn't easy, but we have made a spectacular hash of it in recent years.

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 3/1/24

Of course winning a cup is nice, but the league is our bread and butter and we just need to start performing more consistently and to a better standard. The mentality and petulance of the team seems very poor to me - too often we seem to give up or not have the will to even act professionally

posted on 3/1/24

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 50 minutes ago
The issue with changing the manager again is your left with players he wanted, that Ole wanted, that Jose wanted and that LVG wanted.

Might be time to invest in a football director that states a plan for the type of player you are going to buy and then appoints a manager that can work with that - like an elite version of Brighton.

Otherwise the new man comes in, needs 2 or 3 of his own players - who you pay through the nose for because you are Man United and Antony/Sancho/Martial/Maguire all sit on the bench collecting huge wages
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That's the case with any club where you change the manager. But if the manager isn't right for the job, that doesn't mean you don't change him. We are all aware of various issues in the background that need to be fixed also - getting the entire blend right isn't easy, but we have made a spectacular hash of it in recent years.
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Sure but the new guy you bring in, do you do it on the understanding that they won’t make transfer decisions?

I think United could do very well if they put a plan in place and then choose managers based on what the squad can work with rather than another authoritarian trying to gel the squad how they want it

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 3/1/24

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 50 minutes ago
The issue with changing the manager again is your left with players he wanted, that Ole wanted, that Jose wanted and that LVG wanted.

Might be time to invest in a football director that states a plan for the type of player you are going to buy and then appoints a manager that can work with that - like an elite version of Brighton.

Otherwise the new man comes in, needs 2 or 3 of his own players - who you pay through the nose for because you are Man United and Antony/Sancho/Martial/Maguire all sit on the bench collecting huge wages
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That's the case with any club where you change the manager. But if the manager isn't right for the job, that doesn't mean you don't change him. We are all aware of various issues in the background that need to be fixed also - getting the entire blend right isn't easy, but we have made a spectacular hash of it in recent years.
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Sure but the new guy you bring in, do you do it on the understanding that they won’t make transfer decisions?

I think United could do very well if they put a plan in place and then choose managers based on what the squad can work with rather than another authoritarian trying to gel the squad how they want it
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Yeah, you'll find that most of us have been saying for ages that the structure behind the manager hasn't been right. Of course the manager will have some say, but basically there will be a team behind him in terms of dealing with the transfers etc - that's basically what Dave Brailsford is identifying and hopefully sorting out. But that's been going on for years and it's that lack of knowhow and recognition which i think most people are fed up with the Glazers about.

Sure, it's a business and they're hear to make money, but they've not shown any acumen in running a football club, which would ultimately make them more money if that's all they're interested in

posted on 3/1/24

I'm surprised he's still in post.

An awful season compounded by his awful transfer additions have made the situation worse than when he took over.

I don't know what his redeeming qualities are, not entirely likeable, no real style, questionable eye for a player. Have the players bought into his way?

No doubt some of them are problems but that being so doesn't convince me he's not another problem himself.

A fresh start behind the scenes, with a sporting director and a new manager all at once with a summer exodus surely provides the kind of fresh start the club badly need once again but this time on a grander scale.

At that point get the best manager available and trust in him over a 2/3 year period to revitalise the place.

posted on 3/1/24

comment by HB Maybe Beale wasn't the mastermind (U21935)
posted 1 hour ago
I'm surprised he's still in post.

An awful season compounded by his awful transfer additions have made the situation worse than when he took over.

I don't know what his redeeming qualities are, not entirely likeable, no real style, questionable eye for a player. Have the players bought into his way?

No doubt some of them are problems but that being so doesn't convince me he's not another problem himself.

A fresh start behind the scenes, with a sporting director and a new manager all at once with a summer exodus surely provides the kind of fresh start the club badly need once again but this time on a grander scale.

At that point get the best manager available and trust in him over a 2/3 year period to revitalise the place.
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He's still in place due to circumstances out of his control. Had the takeover been completed in summer as it should have been I reckon he'd have been sent packing by now.

He's got a chance to salvage it and turn the fortunes around but I genuinely don't think he knows how to. Even last season it was Marcus Rashford almost single handedly making us competitive. Once his form deserted him Erik hasn't looked like having a solution at all for our entire attack.

posted on 4/1/24

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 21 hours, 54 minutes ago
The issue with changing the manager again is your left with players he wanted, that Ole wanted, that Jose wanted and that LVG wanted.

Might be time to invest in a football director that states a plan for the type of player you are going to buy and then appoints a manager that can work with that - like an elite version of Brighton.

Otherwise the new man comes in, needs 2 or 3 of his own players - who you pay through the nose for because you are Man United and Antony/Sancho/Martial/Maguire all sit on the bench collecting huge wages
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All this from a Spurs fan mind.... What an oracle

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