comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit quieter on here today. Must have missed something.
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It is still hibernation season
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit quieter on here today. Must have missed something.
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It is still hibernation season
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I've been on as much as ever. Wouldn't give you cvnts the satisfaction
comment by lauders (U9757)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit quieter on here today. Must have missed something.
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It is still hibernation season
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I've been on as much as ever. Wouldn't give you cvnts the satisfaction
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if we were really in hiding we wouldnt have been on yesterday.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by lauders (U9757)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit quieter on here today. Must have missed something.
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It is still hibernation season
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I've been on as much as ever. Wouldn't give you cvnts the satisfaction
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if we were really in hiding we wouldnt have been on yesterday.
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I assume you bears post during the refractory period before you’re up each other again.
Not seen Miller in a good while. Hope he hasn’t chucked it.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by lauders (U9757)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 53 seconds ago
There was a lot of talk before the game about how the losing side would suffer a massive psychological blow.
As Rangers were the losing side, there wasn't much of that talk after the game.
However it does seem that it was actually correct and that Rangers have suffered serious psychological damage.
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Particularly whodumbtit who really isn't coping with this very well at all.
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Heed II
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Im coping quite fine.... I predicted a Celtic win before the game and agree that we shouldnt have had a penalty.
extreme meltdown most will agree
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Absolutely raging still.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by lauders (U9757)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit quieter on here today. Must have missed something.
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It is still hibernation season
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I've been on as much as ever. Wouldn't give you cvnts the satisfaction
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if we were really in hiding we wouldnt have been on yesterday.
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That’s why I said ‘today’. Much like the SFA’s ‘recent media partner’ comment that was misinterpreted.
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Celtic Treble Winners 22/23 (U21900)
posted 5 minutes ago
Deflection is Rangers' true motivation for stoking the VAR wars with the SFA.
That's according to Mark Wilson, who agrees that Alistair Johnston handled in the box against Celtic. But the Clyde Super Scoreboard pundit accepts the Abdallah Sima offside means it wasn't a penalty and that it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
The real issue, he reckons, is that Rangers lost another big Old Firm game which they went into in good form and their rivals supposedly on the ropes.
He's not wrong.
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Aye, and up against our 5th & 6th choice CB pairing at the start of the season … which was further decimated after half an hour, for a replacement who’d barely kicked a baw in months. Big opportunity missed … again.
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And we went into the game with a half fit Lundstram partnered by our back up right back in centre mid.
Plus we had no option but to play a CF who, when we were desperate for a goal against Aberdeen and Limassol, was deemed not even potentially useful enough to bring off the bench.
Rangers were decimated middle to front against celtic. And yet we only lost 2-1 in a game we played for the last 20 miutes with ten men. Away in our hardest league game of the season with no away fans.
This was the type of game in the past Brendan or Ange would have dished out a four or five goal thrashing.
Dont get me wrong - I would have preferred to have got something out the game. But i did say before the match I would have bitten your hand off for the draw.
The very possibility of us having it in our own hands to go top of the league was inconceivable when Beale was shown the door leaving us with this binfire of a squad.
I am delighted with where we are right now all things considered. Time will tell if Celement is the real deal and this season at least he will live or die by who comes in the january window.
We have been playing for weeks now with Dessers as our only striking option - a player who only infrequently deviates from consistent abject uselessness with the odd inexplicable moments of something approaching competence.
Fabio Silva may not be a world beater but if he can stay onside every now and then, control the ball in under 5 touches, not fall over greetin every time a CB comes near him and not wet the bed every time he comes within 18 yards of the goal then he will be a massive upgrade on Dessers.
I for one am astonished and delighted we have it in our own hands to get within touching distance of Celtic. Given the points difference and state of the squad left when Beale was punted Rangers should easily be 12-15 points behind Celtic in real money at this point.
It was a shame to narrowly lose the OF game to two great strikes. But it happens and it could have been a lot worse.
Bring on the transfer window - lets see what it brings for both teams.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
Great to see rangers fans getting on board with the referee stuff.
Been a huge problem for decades.
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Celtic Treble Winners 22/23 (U21900)
posted 5 minutes ago
Deflection is Rangers' true motivation for stoking the VAR wars with the SFA.
That's according to Mark Wilson, who agrees that Alistair Johnston handled in the box against Celtic. But the Clyde Super Scoreboard pundit accepts the Abdallah Sima offside means it wasn't a penalty and that it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
The real issue, he reckons, is that Rangers lost another big Old Firm game which they went into in good form and their rivals supposedly on the ropes.
He's not wrong.
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Aye, and up against our 5th & 6th choice CB pairing at the start of the season … which was further decimated after half an hour, for a replacement who’d barely kicked a baw in months. Big opportunity missed … again.
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And we went into the game with a half fit Lundstram partnered by our back up right back in centre mid.
Plus we had no option but to play a CF who, when we were desperate for a goal against Aberdeen and Limassol, was deemed not even potentially useful enough to bring off the bench.
Rangers were decimated middle to front against celtic. And yet we only lost 2-1 in a game we played for the last 20 miutes with ten men. Away in our hardest league game of the season with no away fans.
This was the type of game in the past Brendan or Ange would have dished out a four or five goal thrashing.
Dont get me wrong - I would have preferred to have got something out the game. But i did say before the match I would have bitten your hand off for the draw.
The very possibility of us having it in our own hands to go top of the league was inconceivable when Beale was shown the door leaving us with this binfire of a squad.
I am delighted with where we are right now all things considered. Time will tell if Celement is the real deal and this season at least he will live or die by who comes in the january window.
We have been playing for weeks now with Dessers as our only striking option - a player who only infrequently deviates from consistent abject uselessness with the odd inexplicable moments of something approaching competence.
Fabio Silva may not be a world beater but if he can stay onside every now and then, control the ball in under 5 touches, not fall over greetin every time a CB comes near him and not wet the bed every time he comes within 18 yards of the goal then he will be a massive upgrade on Dessers.
I for one am astonished and delighted we have it in our own hands to get within touching distance of Celtic. Given the points difference and state of the squad left when Beale was punted Rangers should easily be 12-15 points behind Celtic in real money at this point.
It was a shame to narrowly lose the OF game to two great strikes. But it happens and it could have been a lot worse.
Bring on the transfer window - lets see what it brings for both teams.
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How were you 'decimated middle to front'?
Who were the matchwinners who were missing?
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 6 minutes ago
Great to see rangers fans getting on board with the referee stuff.
Been a huge problem for decades.
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🤣🤣🤣
Imagine they were treated fairly for a whole season..?
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Celtic Treble Winners 22/23 (U21900)
posted 5 minutes ago
Deflection is Rangers' true motivation for stoking the VAR wars with the SFA.
That's according to Mark Wilson, who agrees that Alistair Johnston handled in the box against Celtic. But the Clyde Super Scoreboard pundit accepts the Abdallah Sima offside means it wasn't a penalty and that it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
The real issue, he reckons, is that Rangers lost another big Old Firm game which they went into in good form and their rivals supposedly on the ropes.
He's not wrong.
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Aye, and up against our 5th & 6th choice CB pairing at the start of the season … which was further decimated after half an hour, for a replacement who’d barely kicked a baw in months. Big opportunity missed … again.
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And we went into the game with a half fit Lundstram partnered by our back up right back in centre mid.
Plus we had no option but to play a CF who, when we were desperate for a goal against Aberdeen and Limassol, was deemed not even potentially useful enough to bring off the bench.
Rangers were decimated middle to front against celtic. And yet we only lost 2-1 in a game we played for the last 20 miutes with ten men. Away in our hardest league game of the season with no away fans.
This was the type of game in the past Brendan or Ange would have dished out a four or five goal thrashing.
Dont get me wrong - I would have preferred to have got something out the game. But i did say before the match I would have bitten your hand off for the draw.
The very possibility of us having it in our own hands to go top of the league was inconceivable when Beale was shown the door leaving us with this binfire of a squad.
I am delighted with where we are right now all things considered. Time will tell if Celement is the real deal and this season at least he will live or die by who comes in the january window.
We have been playing for weeks now with Dessers as our only striking option - a player who only infrequently deviates from consistent abject uselessness with the odd inexplicable moments of something approaching competence.
Fabio Silva may not be a world beater but if he can stay onside every now and then, control the ball in under 5 touches, not fall over greetin every time a CB comes near him and not wet the bed every time he comes within 18 yards of the goal then he will be a massive upgrade on Dessers.
I for one am astonished and delighted we have it in our own hands to get within touching distance of Celtic. Given the points difference and state of the squad left when Beale was punted Rangers should easily be 12-15 points behind Celtic in real money at this point.
It was a shame to narrowly lose the OF game to two great strikes. But it happens and it could have been a lot worse.
Bring on the transfer window - lets see what it brings for both teams.
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How were you 'decimated middle to front'?
Who were the matchwinners who were missing?
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Nah You are right - we played a RB in centre mid and a CF who isnt trusted when we are desperate for a goal because we had choices.
I take it all back
We had issues with;
Lundstram - clearly not fully fit but we had no choice but to play him. His mobility was miles off his recent form.
Cifuentes - Not match fit but had to put him on the bench as emergency cover
Then;
Jack
Raskin
Lawrence
Roofe
Danillo
All not fit for selection - and neither was Barisic for what its worth.
And before we get the tired old 'aye but none of them would have started' pash - the easiest way to put it would be that I am pretty sure all of the five that were missing would have played some part in the game had they been fit and available.
Dessers, Dowell and Sterling would have played no part in the game. If Cantwell had started he would have been hooked for Lawrence at HT.
And had we had Roofe available it would have given us the option of finishing the game with two strikers on the park when we really needed a goal.
Yes Celtic were weakened at CB but it made no difference to the match because they were up against one of the most inept 'footballers' masquerading as a CF we have had since Kevin Kyle.
We have got away with relying on a B team winger and Dessers in key areas of the team in recent weeks but the realisty is we have had no real choice.
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 5 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 58 minutes ago
https://x.com/p_bov1/status/1742974742036922570?s=46
Seems the BBC knew that the ‘official’ reason was that they didn’t think it was a handball, and that the offside was just a ‘btw’ as said before. That’s at half time, and well before Sky mentions anything about it.
Was Crocker talking a crock of scheidt then?
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He rarely does anything else? And on a separate note, anyone who didn't see that it was offside without having to be told wasn't watching the game. It was clear as day.
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Guess the linesman wisnae watching either then
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He's not supposed to flag until the phase of play is over. Wasn't necessary thereafter.
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What a crock of $hit
Linesman don't just ignore offside coz it's went out for a goal kick or whatever...if it's offside, it's offside
Doesn't matter when he flags....he must flag if there has been an offside
He didn't flag at all, so didn't give any offside
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You clearly do not know the rules. Linesmen must let the passage of play complete before flagging.
I mean, everyone knows that ffs
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It's also possible that he was unsure so let it go. Or more likely that he just didn't want to flag.
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That's not to negate your 100% correct point btw. He was right not to flag at the time.
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I've seen some amount of flip-flopping in my time but ffs
Your words, from above....
"anyone who didn't see that it was offside without having to be told wasn't watching the game. It was clear as day."
I will restate my point...after being told I do not know the rules and all sorts of $hit
At no point, during play, after the phase had finished, whatever time you want to chose.....the linesman did not put his flag up, at all, ever, for offside
So you are telling us it was as clear as day that it was offside...linesman doesn't flag, and your response is
"It's also possible that he was unsure so let it go. Or more likely that he just didn't want to flag."
Couldn't have been anywhere near as "clear as day" then could it ffs
And the point still stands....the linesman did not put his flag up...ever
If he saw an offside, his flag should go up, after the phase of play
It didn't...he saw no offside
If he did and didn't raise his flag after the phase of play, he isn't doing his job properly
The only person that can ignore an offside is the referee if he feels playing advantage to the other team is a better thing to do, and it is very very very rare for that to happen
The linesman doesn't have the authority to not raise his flag if he feels an offside doesn't have to be given...his flag must go up if he sees offside, it's up to the ref to acknowledge the flag going up and go from there
The linesman at Celtic Park on Saturday, did not see this "clear as day" offside you speak of....so you are full of $hit, as have all your responses to this point
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 5 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 58 minutes ago
https://x.com/p_bov1/status/1742974742036922570?s=46
Seems the BBC knew that the ‘official’ reason was that they didn’t think it was a handball, and that the offside was just a ‘btw’ as said before. That’s at half time, and well before Sky mentions anything about it.
Was Crocker talking a crock of scheidt then?
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He rarely does anything else? And on a separate note, anyone who didn't see that it was offside without having to be told wasn't watching the game. It was clear as day.
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Guess the linesman wisnae watching either then
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He's not supposed to flag until the phase of play is over. Wasn't necessary thereafter.
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What a crock of $hit
Linesman don't just ignore offside coz it's went out for a goal kick or whatever...if it's offside, it's offside
Doesn't matter when he flags....he must flag if there has been an offside
He didn't flag at all, so didn't give any offside
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You clearly do not know the rules. Linesmen must let the passage of play complete before flagging.
I mean, everyone knows that ffs
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It's also possible that he was unsure so let it go. Or more likely that he just didn't want to flag.
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That's not to negate your 100% correct point btw. He was right not to flag at the time.
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I've seen some amount of flip-flopping in my time but ffs
Your words, from above....
"anyone who didn't see that it was offside without having to be told wasn't watching the game. It was clear as day."
I will restate my point...after being told I do not know the rules and all sorts of $hit
At no point, during play, after the phase had finished, whatever time you want to chose.....the linesman did not put his flag up, at all, ever, for offside
So you are telling us it was as clear as day that it was offside...linesman doesn't flag, and your response is
"It's also possible that he was unsure so let it go. Or more likely that he just didn't want to flag."
Couldn't have been anywhere near as "clear as day" then could it ffs
And the point still stands....the linesman did not put his flag up...ever
If he saw an offside, his flag should go up, after the phase of play
It didn't...he saw no offside
If he did and didn't raise his flag after the phase of play, he isn't doing his job properly
The only person that can ignore an offside is the referee if he feels playing advantage to the other team is a better thing to do, and it is very very very rare for that to happen
The linesman doesn't have the authority to not raise his flag if he feels an offside doesn't have to be given...his flag must go up if he sees offside, it's up to the ref to acknowledge the flag going up and go from there
The linesman at Celtic Park on Saturday, did not see this "clear as day" offside you speak of....so you are full of $hit, as have all your responses to this point
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I can only conclude that you simply don’t understand the role of the linesman when a player is offside.
His responsibility is to allow play to continue until a phase is completed. If nothing transpires from it (such as blootering the ball wildly out of play) then the game continues with goal kick or whatever.
If he however controls the ball and sends in a cross or is bearing in on goal, he then raises his flag.
It really is that simple.
Honest to fwck. It’s like bartering your head off a brick wall at times on here.
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Celtic Treble Winners 22/23 (U21900)
posted 5 minutes ago
Deflection is Rangers' true motivation for stoking the VAR wars with the SFA.
That's according to Mark Wilson, who agrees that Alistair Johnston handled in the box against Celtic. But the Clyde Super Scoreboard pundit accepts the Abdallah Sima offside means it wasn't a penalty and that it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
The real issue, he reckons, is that Rangers lost another big Old Firm game which they went into in good form and their rivals supposedly on the ropes.
He's not wrong.
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Aye, and up against our 5th & 6th choice CB pairing at the start of the season … which was further decimated after half an hour, for a replacement who’d barely kicked a baw in months. Big opportunity missed … again.
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And we went into the game with a half fit Lundstram partnered by our back up right back in centre mid.
Plus we had no option but to play a CF who, when we were desperate for a goal against Aberdeen and Limassol, was deemed not even potentially useful enough to bring off the bench.
Rangers were decimated middle to front against celtic. And yet we only lost 2-1 in a game we played for the last 20 miutes with ten men. Away in our hardest league game of the season with no away fans.
This was the type of game in the past Brendan or Ange would have dished out a four or five goal thrashing.
Dont get me wrong - I would have preferred to have got something out the game. But i did say before the match I would have bitten your hand off for the draw.
The very possibility of us having it in our own hands to go top of the league was inconceivable when Beale was shown the door leaving us with this binfire of a squad.
I am delighted with where we are right now all things considered. Time will tell if Celement is the real deal and this season at least he will live or die by who comes in the january window.
We have been playing for weeks now with Dessers as our only striking option - a player who only infrequently deviates from consistent abject uselessness with the odd inexplicable moments of something approaching competence.
Fabio Silva may not be a world beater but if he can stay onside every now and then, control the ball in under 5 touches, not fall over greetin every time a CB comes near him and not wet the bed every time he comes within 18 yards of the goal then he will be a massive upgrade on Dessers.
I for one am astonished and delighted we have it in our own hands to get within touching distance of Celtic. Given the points difference and state of the squad left when Beale was punted Rangers should easily be 12-15 points behind Celtic in real money at this point.
It was a shame to narrowly lose the OF game to two great strikes. But it happens and it could have been a lot worse.
Bring on the transfer window - lets see what it brings for both teams.
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How were you 'decimated middle to front'?
Who were the matchwinners who were missing?
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Nah You are right - we played a RB in centre mid and a CF who isnt trusted when we are desperate for a goal because we had choices.
I take it all back
We had issues with;
Lundstram - clearly not fully fit but we had no choice but to play him. His mobility was miles off his recent form.
Cifuentes - Not match fit but had to put him on the bench as emergency cover
Then;
Jack
Raskin
Lawrence
Roofe
Danillo
All not fit for selection - and neither was Barisic for what its worth.
And before we get the tired old 'aye but none of them would have started' pash - the easiest way to put it would be that I am pretty sure all of the five that were missing would have played some part in the game had they been fit and available.
Dessers, Dowell and Sterling would have played no part in the game. If Cantwell had started he would have been hooked for Lawrence at HT.
And had we had Roofe available it would have given us the option of finishing the game with two strikers on the park when we really needed a goal.
Yes Celtic were weakened at CB but it made no difference to the match because they were up against one of the most inept 'footballers' masquerading as a CF we have had since Kevin Kyle.
We have got away with relying on a B team winger and Dessers in key areas of the team in recent weeks but the realisty is we have had no real choice.
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None of them would have made any difference. Here's a Celtic XI of players who didn't start.
Siegrist
Ralston, CCV, Nawrocki, Bernabei
Turnbull, Hatate, Iwata
Abada, Oh, Forest.
They'd be favourites to beat the best Rangers team you could put out.
You've provided a list of journeymen, duds and guys who are normally confined to bed.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
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Oh dear. Seen straight through you dumbtit 😂😂
Busted 😆
WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
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Oh dear. Seen straight through you dumbtit 😂😂
Busted 😆
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
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at what.... I dont think there is a conspiracy, dont think it was a pen. I think they made a fook up and tried to make it look a bit better and has blown up.
nothing more , nothing less.
of course the SFA could just end the whole debate.... put rangers in their place...... they could play the audio for us to hear and make our own mind up.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
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I don’t know why you think Collum has made a mistake, then you also don’t think it was a penalty?
As Silver has said, all this has been done to death yesterday, and backed up by the SFA statement.
Saying anything else is just ignoring what took place.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
of course the SFA could just end the whole debate.... put rangers in their place...... they could play the audio for us to hear and make our own mind up.
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What do you expect to hear on the audio that would potentially be so earth shattering, that hasn’t already been explained?
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
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I don’t know why you think Collum has made a mistake, then you also don’t think it was a penalty?
As Silver has said, all this has been done to death yesterday, and backed up by the SFA statement.
Saying anything else is just ignoring what took place.
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Cos I think its a handball and he didnt ... i think thats a mistake.
the SFA statement didnt back up anything.
like I said what am I at?? Ginger said that the SFA confirmed that the offside wasnt looked at and wasnt considered.
it should have been, the decision shouldnt have come down to whether collum thought it was a pen or not. it should have been offside so like I said at best it was a wrong decision ie a goal kick given when it should have been a free kick to celtic for offside. at worst its the refs covering up a decision made by Collum saying that after feedback from most it should have been a pen (if offside isnt considered).
Like I said it wouldnt (or shouldnt have affected the game in anyway). Since Ginger has confirmed that the SFA have confirmed that offside wasnt considered during the incident. (I havent seen this yet but I will take his word for it)
You said yesterday you didn’t think it was a handball though. Have I got that wrong??
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posted on 5/1/24
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit quieter on here today. Must have missed something.
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It is still hibernation season
posted on 5/1/24
Ah! Winter break.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit quieter on here today. Must have missed something.
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It is still hibernation season
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I've been on as much as ever. Wouldn't give you cvnts the satisfaction
posted on 5/1/24
comment by lauders (U9757)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit quieter on here today. Must have missed something.
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It is still hibernation season
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I've been on as much as ever. Wouldn't give you cvnts the satisfaction
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if we were really in hiding we wouldnt have been on yesterday.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by lauders (U9757)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit quieter on here today. Must have missed something.
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It is still hibernation season
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I've been on as much as ever. Wouldn't give you cvnts the satisfaction
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if we were really in hiding we wouldnt have been on yesterday.
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I assume you bears post during the refractory period before you’re up each other again.
Not seen Miller in a good while. Hope he hasn’t chucked it.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by lauders (U9757)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 53 seconds ago
There was a lot of talk before the game about how the losing side would suffer a massive psychological blow.
As Rangers were the losing side, there wasn't much of that talk after the game.
However it does seem that it was actually correct and that Rangers have suffered serious psychological damage.
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Particularly whodumbtit who really isn't coping with this very well at all.
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Heed II
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Im coping quite fine.... I predicted a Celtic win before the game and agree that we shouldnt have had a penalty.
extreme meltdown most will agree
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Absolutely raging still.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by lauders (U9757)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit quieter on here today. Must have missed something.
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It is still hibernation season
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I've been on as much as ever. Wouldn't give you cvnts the satisfaction
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if we were really in hiding we wouldnt have been on yesterday.
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That’s why I said ‘today’. Much like the SFA’s ‘recent media partner’ comment that was misinterpreted.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Celtic Treble Winners 22/23 (U21900)
posted 5 minutes ago
Deflection is Rangers' true motivation for stoking the VAR wars with the SFA.
That's according to Mark Wilson, who agrees that Alistair Johnston handled in the box against Celtic. But the Clyde Super Scoreboard pundit accepts the Abdallah Sima offside means it wasn't a penalty and that it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
The real issue, he reckons, is that Rangers lost another big Old Firm game which they went into in good form and their rivals supposedly on the ropes.
He's not wrong.
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Aye, and up against our 5th & 6th choice CB pairing at the start of the season … which was further decimated after half an hour, for a replacement who’d barely kicked a baw in months. Big opportunity missed … again.
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And we went into the game with a half fit Lundstram partnered by our back up right back in centre mid.
Plus we had no option but to play a CF who, when we were desperate for a goal against Aberdeen and Limassol, was deemed not even potentially useful enough to bring off the bench.
Rangers were decimated middle to front against celtic. And yet we only lost 2-1 in a game we played for the last 20 miutes with ten men. Away in our hardest league game of the season with no away fans.
This was the type of game in the past Brendan or Ange would have dished out a four or five goal thrashing.
Dont get me wrong - I would have preferred to have got something out the game. But i did say before the match I would have bitten your hand off for the draw.
The very possibility of us having it in our own hands to go top of the league was inconceivable when Beale was shown the door leaving us with this binfire of a squad.
I am delighted with where we are right now all things considered. Time will tell if Celement is the real deal and this season at least he will live or die by who comes in the january window.
We have been playing for weeks now with Dessers as our only striking option - a player who only infrequently deviates from consistent abject uselessness with the odd inexplicable moments of something approaching competence.
Fabio Silva may not be a world beater but if he can stay onside every now and then, control the ball in under 5 touches, not fall over greetin every time a CB comes near him and not wet the bed every time he comes within 18 yards of the goal then he will be a massive upgrade on Dessers.
I for one am astonished and delighted we have it in our own hands to get within touching distance of Celtic. Given the points difference and state of the squad left when Beale was punted Rangers should easily be 12-15 points behind Celtic in real money at this point.
It was a shame to narrowly lose the OF game to two great strikes. But it happens and it could have been a lot worse.
Bring on the transfer window - lets see what it brings for both teams.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
posted on 5/1/24
Great to see rangers fans getting on board with the referee stuff.
Been a huge problem for decades.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Celtic Treble Winners 22/23 (U21900)
posted 5 minutes ago
Deflection is Rangers' true motivation for stoking the VAR wars with the SFA.
That's according to Mark Wilson, who agrees that Alistair Johnston handled in the box against Celtic. But the Clyde Super Scoreboard pundit accepts the Abdallah Sima offside means it wasn't a penalty and that it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
The real issue, he reckons, is that Rangers lost another big Old Firm game which they went into in good form and their rivals supposedly on the ropes.
He's not wrong.
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Aye, and up against our 5th & 6th choice CB pairing at the start of the season … which was further decimated after half an hour, for a replacement who’d barely kicked a baw in months. Big opportunity missed … again.
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And we went into the game with a half fit Lundstram partnered by our back up right back in centre mid.
Plus we had no option but to play a CF who, when we were desperate for a goal against Aberdeen and Limassol, was deemed not even potentially useful enough to bring off the bench.
Rangers were decimated middle to front against celtic. And yet we only lost 2-1 in a game we played for the last 20 miutes with ten men. Away in our hardest league game of the season with no away fans.
This was the type of game in the past Brendan or Ange would have dished out a four or five goal thrashing.
Dont get me wrong - I would have preferred to have got something out the game. But i did say before the match I would have bitten your hand off for the draw.
The very possibility of us having it in our own hands to go top of the league was inconceivable when Beale was shown the door leaving us with this binfire of a squad.
I am delighted with where we are right now all things considered. Time will tell if Celement is the real deal and this season at least he will live or die by who comes in the january window.
We have been playing for weeks now with Dessers as our only striking option - a player who only infrequently deviates from consistent abject uselessness with the odd inexplicable moments of something approaching competence.
Fabio Silva may not be a world beater but if he can stay onside every now and then, control the ball in under 5 touches, not fall over greetin every time a CB comes near him and not wet the bed every time he comes within 18 yards of the goal then he will be a massive upgrade on Dessers.
I for one am astonished and delighted we have it in our own hands to get within touching distance of Celtic. Given the points difference and state of the squad left when Beale was punted Rangers should easily be 12-15 points behind Celtic in real money at this point.
It was a shame to narrowly lose the OF game to two great strikes. But it happens and it could have been a lot worse.
Bring on the transfer window - lets see what it brings for both teams.
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How were you 'decimated middle to front'?
Who were the matchwinners who were missing?
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 6 minutes ago
Great to see rangers fans getting on board with the referee stuff.
Been a huge problem for decades.
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🤣🤣🤣
Imagine they were treated fairly for a whole season..?
posted on 5/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Celtic Treble Winners 22/23 (U21900)
posted 5 minutes ago
Deflection is Rangers' true motivation for stoking the VAR wars with the SFA.
That's according to Mark Wilson, who agrees that Alistair Johnston handled in the box against Celtic. But the Clyde Super Scoreboard pundit accepts the Abdallah Sima offside means it wasn't a penalty and that it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
The real issue, he reckons, is that Rangers lost another big Old Firm game which they went into in good form and their rivals supposedly on the ropes.
He's not wrong.
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Aye, and up against our 5th & 6th choice CB pairing at the start of the season … which was further decimated after half an hour, for a replacement who’d barely kicked a baw in months. Big opportunity missed … again.
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And we went into the game with a half fit Lundstram partnered by our back up right back in centre mid.
Plus we had no option but to play a CF who, when we were desperate for a goal against Aberdeen and Limassol, was deemed not even potentially useful enough to bring off the bench.
Rangers were decimated middle to front against celtic. And yet we only lost 2-1 in a game we played for the last 20 miutes with ten men. Away in our hardest league game of the season with no away fans.
This was the type of game in the past Brendan or Ange would have dished out a four or five goal thrashing.
Dont get me wrong - I would have preferred to have got something out the game. But i did say before the match I would have bitten your hand off for the draw.
The very possibility of us having it in our own hands to go top of the league was inconceivable when Beale was shown the door leaving us with this binfire of a squad.
I am delighted with where we are right now all things considered. Time will tell if Celement is the real deal and this season at least he will live or die by who comes in the january window.
We have been playing for weeks now with Dessers as our only striking option - a player who only infrequently deviates from consistent abject uselessness with the odd inexplicable moments of something approaching competence.
Fabio Silva may not be a world beater but if he can stay onside every now and then, control the ball in under 5 touches, not fall over greetin every time a CB comes near him and not wet the bed every time he comes within 18 yards of the goal then he will be a massive upgrade on Dessers.
I for one am astonished and delighted we have it in our own hands to get within touching distance of Celtic. Given the points difference and state of the squad left when Beale was punted Rangers should easily be 12-15 points behind Celtic in real money at this point.
It was a shame to narrowly lose the OF game to two great strikes. But it happens and it could have been a lot worse.
Bring on the transfer window - lets see what it brings for both teams.
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How were you 'decimated middle to front'?
Who were the matchwinners who were missing?
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Nah You are right - we played a RB in centre mid and a CF who isnt trusted when we are desperate for a goal because we had choices.
I take it all back
We had issues with;
Lundstram - clearly not fully fit but we had no choice but to play him. His mobility was miles off his recent form.
Cifuentes - Not match fit but had to put him on the bench as emergency cover
Then;
Jack
Raskin
Lawrence
Roofe
Danillo
All not fit for selection - and neither was Barisic for what its worth.
And before we get the tired old 'aye but none of them would have started' pash - the easiest way to put it would be that I am pretty sure all of the five that were missing would have played some part in the game had they been fit and available.
Dessers, Dowell and Sterling would have played no part in the game. If Cantwell had started he would have been hooked for Lawrence at HT.
And had we had Roofe available it would have given us the option of finishing the game with two strikers on the park when we really needed a goal.
Yes Celtic were weakened at CB but it made no difference to the match because they were up against one of the most inept 'footballers' masquerading as a CF we have had since Kevin Kyle.
We have got away with relying on a B team winger and Dessers in key areas of the team in recent weeks but the realisty is we have had no real choice.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 5 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 58 minutes ago
https://x.com/p_bov1/status/1742974742036922570?s=46
Seems the BBC knew that the ‘official’ reason was that they didn’t think it was a handball, and that the offside was just a ‘btw’ as said before. That’s at half time, and well before Sky mentions anything about it.
Was Crocker talking a crock of scheidt then?
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He rarely does anything else? And on a separate note, anyone who didn't see that it was offside without having to be told wasn't watching the game. It was clear as day.
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Guess the linesman wisnae watching either then
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He's not supposed to flag until the phase of play is over. Wasn't necessary thereafter.
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What a crock of $hit
Linesman don't just ignore offside coz it's went out for a goal kick or whatever...if it's offside, it's offside
Doesn't matter when he flags....he must flag if there has been an offside
He didn't flag at all, so didn't give any offside
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You clearly do not know the rules. Linesmen must let the passage of play complete before flagging.
I mean, everyone knows that ffs
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It's also possible that he was unsure so let it go. Or more likely that he just didn't want to flag.
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That's not to negate your 100% correct point btw. He was right not to flag at the time.
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I've seen some amount of flip-flopping in my time but ffs
Your words, from above....
"anyone who didn't see that it was offside without having to be told wasn't watching the game. It was clear as day."
I will restate my point...after being told I do not know the rules and all sorts of $hit
At no point, during play, after the phase had finished, whatever time you want to chose.....the linesman did not put his flag up, at all, ever, for offside
So you are telling us it was as clear as day that it was offside...linesman doesn't flag, and your response is
"It's also possible that he was unsure so let it go. Or more likely that he just didn't want to flag."
Couldn't have been anywhere near as "clear as day" then could it ffs
And the point still stands....the linesman did not put his flag up...ever
If he saw an offside, his flag should go up, after the phase of play
It didn't...he saw no offside
If he did and didn't raise his flag after the phase of play, he isn't doing his job properly
The only person that can ignore an offside is the referee if he feels playing advantage to the other team is a better thing to do, and it is very very very rare for that to happen
The linesman doesn't have the authority to not raise his flag if he feels an offside doesn't have to be given...his flag must go up if he sees offside, it's up to the ref to acknowledge the flag going up and go from there
The linesman at Celtic Park on Saturday, did not see this "clear as day" offside you speak of....so you are full of $hit, as have all your responses to this point
posted on 5/1/24
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 5 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 58 minutes ago
https://x.com/p_bov1/status/1742974742036922570?s=46
Seems the BBC knew that the ‘official’ reason was that they didn’t think it was a handball, and that the offside was just a ‘btw’ as said before. That’s at half time, and well before Sky mentions anything about it.
Was Crocker talking a crock of scheidt then?
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He rarely does anything else? And on a separate note, anyone who didn't see that it was offside without having to be told wasn't watching the game. It was clear as day.
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Guess the linesman wisnae watching either then
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He's not supposed to flag until the phase of play is over. Wasn't necessary thereafter.
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What a crock of $hit
Linesman don't just ignore offside coz it's went out for a goal kick or whatever...if it's offside, it's offside
Doesn't matter when he flags....he must flag if there has been an offside
He didn't flag at all, so didn't give any offside
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You clearly do not know the rules. Linesmen must let the passage of play complete before flagging.
I mean, everyone knows that ffs
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It's also possible that he was unsure so let it go. Or more likely that he just didn't want to flag.
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That's not to negate your 100% correct point btw. He was right not to flag at the time.
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I've seen some amount of flip-flopping in my time but ffs
Your words, from above....
"anyone who didn't see that it was offside without having to be told wasn't watching the game. It was clear as day."
I will restate my point...after being told I do not know the rules and all sorts of $hit
At no point, during play, after the phase had finished, whatever time you want to chose.....the linesman did not put his flag up, at all, ever, for offside
So you are telling us it was as clear as day that it was offside...linesman doesn't flag, and your response is
"It's also possible that he was unsure so let it go. Or more likely that he just didn't want to flag."
Couldn't have been anywhere near as "clear as day" then could it ffs
And the point still stands....the linesman did not put his flag up...ever
If he saw an offside, his flag should go up, after the phase of play
It didn't...he saw no offside
If he did and didn't raise his flag after the phase of play, he isn't doing his job properly
The only person that can ignore an offside is the referee if he feels playing advantage to the other team is a better thing to do, and it is very very very rare for that to happen
The linesman doesn't have the authority to not raise his flag if he feels an offside doesn't have to be given...his flag must go up if he sees offside, it's up to the ref to acknowledge the flag going up and go from there
The linesman at Celtic Park on Saturday, did not see this "clear as day" offside you speak of....so you are full of $hit, as have all your responses to this point
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I can only conclude that you simply don’t understand the role of the linesman when a player is offside.
His responsibility is to allow play to continue until a phase is completed. If nothing transpires from it (such as blootering the ball wildly out of play) then the game continues with goal kick or whatever.
If he however controls the ball and sends in a cross or is bearing in on goal, he then raises his flag.
It really is that simple.
Honest to fwck. It’s like bartering your head off a brick wall at times on here.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Zico - Celtic Treble Winners 22/23 (U21900)
posted 5 minutes ago
Deflection is Rangers' true motivation for stoking the VAR wars with the SFA.
That's according to Mark Wilson, who agrees that Alistair Johnston handled in the box against Celtic. But the Clyde Super Scoreboard pundit accepts the Abdallah Sima offside means it wasn't a penalty and that it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
The real issue, he reckons, is that Rangers lost another big Old Firm game which they went into in good form and their rivals supposedly on the ropes.
He's not wrong.
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Aye, and up against our 5th & 6th choice CB pairing at the start of the season … which was further decimated after half an hour, for a replacement who’d barely kicked a baw in months. Big opportunity missed … again.
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And we went into the game with a half fit Lundstram partnered by our back up right back in centre mid.
Plus we had no option but to play a CF who, when we were desperate for a goal against Aberdeen and Limassol, was deemed not even potentially useful enough to bring off the bench.
Rangers were decimated middle to front against celtic. And yet we only lost 2-1 in a game we played for the last 20 miutes with ten men. Away in our hardest league game of the season with no away fans.
This was the type of game in the past Brendan or Ange would have dished out a four or five goal thrashing.
Dont get me wrong - I would have preferred to have got something out the game. But i did say before the match I would have bitten your hand off for the draw.
The very possibility of us having it in our own hands to go top of the league was inconceivable when Beale was shown the door leaving us with this binfire of a squad.
I am delighted with where we are right now all things considered. Time will tell if Celement is the real deal and this season at least he will live or die by who comes in the january window.
We have been playing for weeks now with Dessers as our only striking option - a player who only infrequently deviates from consistent abject uselessness with the odd inexplicable moments of something approaching competence.
Fabio Silva may not be a world beater but if he can stay onside every now and then, control the ball in under 5 touches, not fall over greetin every time a CB comes near him and not wet the bed every time he comes within 18 yards of the goal then he will be a massive upgrade on Dessers.
I for one am astonished and delighted we have it in our own hands to get within touching distance of Celtic. Given the points difference and state of the squad left when Beale was punted Rangers should easily be 12-15 points behind Celtic in real money at this point.
It was a shame to narrowly lose the OF game to two great strikes. But it happens and it could have been a lot worse.
Bring on the transfer window - lets see what it brings for both teams.
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How were you 'decimated middle to front'?
Who were the matchwinners who were missing?
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Nah You are right - we played a RB in centre mid and a CF who isnt trusted when we are desperate for a goal because we had choices.
I take it all back
We had issues with;
Lundstram - clearly not fully fit but we had no choice but to play him. His mobility was miles off his recent form.
Cifuentes - Not match fit but had to put him on the bench as emergency cover
Then;
Jack
Raskin
Lawrence
Roofe
Danillo
All not fit for selection - and neither was Barisic for what its worth.
And before we get the tired old 'aye but none of them would have started' pash - the easiest way to put it would be that I am pretty sure all of the five that were missing would have played some part in the game had they been fit and available.
Dessers, Dowell and Sterling would have played no part in the game. If Cantwell had started he would have been hooked for Lawrence at HT.
And had we had Roofe available it would have given us the option of finishing the game with two strikers on the park when we really needed a goal.
Yes Celtic were weakened at CB but it made no difference to the match because they were up against one of the most inept 'footballers' masquerading as a CF we have had since Kevin Kyle.
We have got away with relying on a B team winger and Dessers in key areas of the team in recent weeks but the realisty is we have had no real choice.
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None of them would have made any difference. Here's a Celtic XI of players who didn't start.
Siegrist
Ralston, CCV, Nawrocki, Bernabei
Turnbull, Hatate, Iwata
Abada, Oh, Forest.
They'd be favourites to beat the best Rangers team you could put out.
You've provided a list of journeymen, duds and guys who are normally confined to bed.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
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Oh dear. Seen straight through you dumbtit 😂😂
Busted 😆
posted on 5/1/24
WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
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Oh dear. Seen straight through you dumbtit 😂😂
Busted 😆
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
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at what.... I dont think there is a conspiracy, dont think it was a pen. I think they made a fook up and tried to make it look a bit better and has blown up.
nothing more , nothing less.
posted on 5/1/24
of course the SFA could just end the whole debate.... put rangers in their place...... they could play the audio for us to hear and make our own mind up.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
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I don’t know why you think Collum has made a mistake, then you also don’t think it was a penalty?
As Silver has said, all this has been done to death yesterday, and backed up by the SFA statement.
Saying anything else is just ignoring what took place.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
of course the SFA could just end the whole debate.... put rangers in their place...... they could play the audio for us to hear and make our own mind up.
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What do you expect to hear on the audio that would potentially be so earth shattering, that hasn’t already been explained?
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
SFA confirms that the VAR panel weren’t even involved and that there was no mention of offside by the referee.
Also confirm that the offside issue was mentioned to the broadcaster (Sky) who in turn fed it to a watching audience. They’ll be reviewing how information is released to the broadcasters in future.
Issue closed
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At best for the SFA they have made an error in the procedures and following rules. At worst it questions the integrity of the refs covering something up to save face, save one of their colleagues.....
So offisde wasnt looked at or considered and VAR thought the handball wasnt worthy of a penalty. Which I think most would say was incorrect, if the offside isnt in the discussion then Collum has made a huge blunder there.
Yes decisions are open to interpretation but that seemed quite obvious to me hence why just about every pundit and neutral ( and some celtic biased fans/pundits) thought that basing it on the handball not being a foul was the wrong call.
FWIW I think Collum made an ar$e of it and they tried to use the offside to release some of the pressure that would have been coming Collums way. The whole situation would have been a lot better had they just admitted they missed the offside and the wrong call was made by awarding the goal kick, should have been a free kick to celtic on edge of box. done and dusted.
But now we have a possible cover up where the refs have used a different reason than initially given thinking it will look better for Collum...... which clearly backfired massively cos it happened in an old firm game and it gets blown up.
end of the day the no penalty was the correct decision, but the refs have shown themselves up again.
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You're at it, mate.
Bored at work and trying to get another 150 comments going over the same chit that was put to bed yesterday.
Mental.
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I don’t know why you think Collum has made a mistake, then you also don’t think it was a penalty?
As Silver has said, all this has been done to death yesterday, and backed up by the SFA statement.
Saying anything else is just ignoring what took place.
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Cos I think its a handball and he didnt ... i think thats a mistake.
the SFA statement didnt back up anything.
like I said what am I at?? Ginger said that the SFA confirmed that the offside wasnt looked at and wasnt considered.
it should have been, the decision shouldnt have come down to whether collum thought it was a pen or not. it should have been offside so like I said at best it was a wrong decision ie a goal kick given when it should have been a free kick to celtic for offside. at worst its the refs covering up a decision made by Collum saying that after feedback from most it should have been a pen (if offside isnt considered).
Like I said it wouldnt (or shouldnt have affected the game in anyway). Since Ginger has confirmed that the SFA have confirmed that offside wasnt considered during the incident. (I havent seen this yet but I will take his word for it)
posted on 5/1/24
You said yesterday you didn’t think it was a handball though. Have I got that wrong??
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