comment by FloridaRam (U7775)
posted about 10 hours ago
comment by Terry Hennessey (U22420)
posted about 15 hours ago
An interesting thought. For me with his experience of 3 promotions from L1 Warne was always the right guy to lead us at this time. Equally we're doing well considering as a club we're still being held back by EFL restrictions and yet [as of today] we're in 2nd place. If you look back, when Warne joined us Rotherham were 7th in the Championship. They're now bottom ... and seemingly stranded in the relegation zone...whilst we're seemingly on the up. Food for thought for those who dont like Warne...
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I’m not entirely sure what your point is Terry. Warne also presided over 3 relegations with Rotherham, so if you are inferring Rotherham are worse off without him, I don’t think it’s true. Whilst I will give credit where credit is due, he has made Derby hard to beat. That said, I’m not a fan of Warnes as the style of play is awful.
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Rotherham, totally different to Derby, ground capacity just over 12,000, could never afford to buy players of any quality, that I would imagine Derby can.

I don't think we can outbid Rotherham for players at the moment unfortunately but hopefully that will change next season no matter which division we are in.

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted about an hour ago
I don't think we can outbid Rotherham for players at the moment unfortunately but hopefully that will change next season no matter which division we are in.
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That wasn't the case the years they were alligated we were rolling In It according to Mel Morris.
It takes investment when you're promoted. as we found out during our ill-fated premier league season.

comment by FloridaRam (U7775)

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I’m not entirely sure what your point is Terry. Warne also presided over 3 relegations with Rotherham,
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Three promotions
Two relegations

Given their size and recruitment options they would always be battling in the lower half so Rotherham's relegations don't come as a surprise. They have over the years developed good players who have moved on and done well at mid table sides.

I typed up a reply to Vidal's post 'Finding the next Drogba is probably not all that straightforward' but unfortunately my phone decided to jump to another page and I lost it. May try replying to that if i have the time but annoying to have to re-type it.

The PW debate. I guess he is a marmite type of manager and as Derby fans 'demand' an eye catching attractive style of football with L1 and below standard players they'll grumble about the quality and style with Warneball.

For years we've complained our manager doesn't have a clue he only has one style from McClaren to Fat Frank.

With PW we've a manager who is at least alternating between 4-3-3 and his favoured tactics 5-3-2. I think the match against Charlton was the first time the team has convincingly played the formation which was down to a strong midfield lynch pin in Adams providing the much needed balance in the middle.

There is a negative approach to certain games (what I've found frustrating) when you think a more attacking style would serve us better but PW's record and current standing indicates he's on the right track again. Lets not forget the squad had encountered numerous long term injuries, new recruits struggling to settle etc....it's been a baptism of fire and no doubt it'll take two results for another angry, frustrated reaction directed at PW.

As a fan of this beautiful club what I want to see is how the club is looking to develop, the signings of players such as Wilson, Corey Blackett-Taylor and *Ward (*to a slightly lesser extent) are a move in the right direction. Vidal mentioned the international market which is a good point as I did listen to that interview and it is a great shame we can't tap into that opportunity but understandable too (made me bang on about German players!). What is disappointing is that we've not tapped into the non-league divisions and looked at signing some raw gems.

As we lose more Academy players for less than their going price, Sibley possibly on a free unless he continues to show potential at LWB and makes this position his and signs a new contract we're going to lose our most bankable players at a loss.It's a trend at this club for over 24 years with Seth Johnson ( not an Academy player having signed from Crewe but developed at Derby) probably the last to be sold for a healthy profit at £7 million. I don't think we've managed to sell an Academy player for more than this amount?

comment by Uncle Tom (U1899)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted about an hour ago
I don't think we can outbid Rotherham for players at the moment unfortunately but hopefully that will change next season no matter which division we are in.
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That wasn't the case the years they were alligated we were rolling In It according to Mel Morris.
It takes investment when you're promoted. as we found out during our ill-fated premier league season.
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#Relegated

Equally Its incredibly frustrating when you see clubs such as Bristol City and Blackburn receiving £15-£20 million+ for their prized assets. Its definitely an area we need to improve in and find a solution.

We may need to change our approach and become a selling club for a few years should we return to the Championship at the second attempt and look to consolidate our position at that level.

Coventry have done incredibly well to hold on to Mark Robins now into his 7th year with the club and go from relegation candidates to pushing into play off contention for the second year running where other clubs have impatiently sacked their manager and now reaping what they sow ( Birmingham, Sunderland)

Coventry signed some relatively unknowns (Hamer, Gyökeres) and made them well regarded players sold for a healthy profit in the region of £37 million. They're now in a position to pay 3.5 million to sign Ephron Mason-Clark for Peterboro', be a while yet before we can think to do that without over-committing ourselves. How does a club like Peterborough manage to ensure year in they can get a good rate on their most bankable players? They sell the player at the right time.

I'd like to see Derby have a strategic approach, now signing players well below 30+ years of age with a opportunity to be sold on and we reinvest that money to grow the club. The senior management need to make decisions whether they want to give PW the time and opportunity to grow as a manager too (similar to Mark Robins) and be regarded as a decent Championship manager. He signed a 4 year contract so the indication is he's here for the long term. Time for Derby fans to give him that chance to learn, grow and develop into a better coach and manager for the benefit of our club.

comment by Desicafu (U8481)
posted 30 minutes ago
Equally Its incredibly frustrating when you see clubs such as Bristol City and Blackburn receiving £15-£20 million+ for their prized assets. Its definitely an area we need to improve in and find a solution.

We may need to change our approach and become a selling club for a few years should we return to the Championship at the second attempt and look to consolidate our position at that level.

Coventry have done incredibly well to hold on to Mark Robins now into his 7th year with the club and go from relegation candidates to pushing into play off contention for the second year running where other clubs have impatiently sacked their manager and now reaping what they sow ( Birmingham, Sunderland)

Coventry signed some relatively unknowns (Hamer, Gyökeres) and made them well regarded players sold for a healthy profit in the region of £37 million. They're now in a position to pay 3.5 million to sign Ephron Mason-Clark for Peterboro', be a while yet before we can think to do that without over-committing ourselves. How does a club like Peterborough manage to ensure year in they can get a good rate on their most bankable players? They sell the player at the right time.

I'd like to see Derby have a strategic approach, now signing players well below 30+ years of age with a opportunity to be sold on and we reinvest that money to grow the club. The senior management need to make decisions whether they want to give PW the time and opportunity to grow as a manager too (similar to Mark Robins) and be regarded as a decent Championship manager. He signed a 4 year contract so the indication is he's here for the long term. Time for Derby fans to give him that chance to learn, grow and develop into a better coach and manager for the benefit of our club.





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Our approach to signing players has been buy expensive sell cheap. Even those we develop we never realsise their worth. Just a sign of the poor management of the club over the last few years. For example Forest received £14M for Oliver Burke even under Fawaz while we received about half that for Will Hughes.Says everything about our approach to transfers.

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted about 10 hours ago
I’m neither all for or all against Warne, there is no right and wrong. I think the brand of football is efficient rather than easy on the eye. Closing down quickly, winning second balls and getting blocks in. One for all and all for one. I don’t know how far that can take us but we have to back him and the team and cross our fingers. With one hand tied behind his back as regards incomings there are always going to be limitations and maybe he is getting as much as he can out of the tools in his box. If he does get us up I think we would need to play slightly differently even to survive in the Championship but maybe that would come with better quality players. Confident no, hopeful always.
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Despite my considerably smaller head, my thinking is very similar to Vidal's

So, stability, progress, better recruitment and selling players at peak value for tens of million. It's a hell of a blueprint. We have a better chance of achieving most of that than we did under Morris. I suppose an attractive style of play ranks lower than most of those though they aren't mutually exclusive.

We have definitely seen more variety in the last few months and it doesn't just look like aimless tinkering. I thought that going with a back three at Charlton was quite brave and had it backfired there would have been plenty queuing up to lambast him. As Spart often says it is more about how the players perform than the formation but there is no doubt that some players are better suited to specific styles of play. Unless a team is good enough to ignore the opposition then it's wise to at least take some account of their strengths and weaknesses. I feel Warne has sometimes done this a bit too much but he knows more than I do about management. If I look back overall I can definitely see progress but from match to match it can seem a bit one-step-forward-one-step-back. Maybe we should only allow the taking of stock at intervals of a one season minimum.

I heard about Charlton's preferred '3 at the back' on the Friday preview prog on Radio Derby, so it came as little surprise that PW had decided to match up the opposition, which seems to be his default position.
The difference this time was the effectiveness of Adams in screening our back 3, a risk, but the managers confidence in his player paid off, so credit for that.
Unlike previously, I'd be happy to see the line up again, now we have the right components, depending, of course, on Adams' continued form. Nyambe has been one of our top performers and Bird & Hourz were never really equipped to protect our CBs, so a back 4 was the sensible line up.
Be interesting to see who drops out now, if both Nyambe & Adams play. Suppose it will depend on the oppo, but at least we have the options.

I suppose it was inevitable that PW as a subject for discussion would crop up again although for my part I fail to see why right now. We are second in the table, four points behind the leaders with a game in hand. How many of us would not have taken that at the start of the season?!

We now have a great squad which in all likelihood has been much improved by our two new arrivals and all of this within less than a year from coming out of administration. We have a manager who knows how to get out of this league so why worry at this stage how we may or may not fare if and when we get promoted?

PW has the numbers to be able to execute Plans A, B and C instead of just Plan A and he is showing that he can adapt to different approaches.

And if we are talking about PW let's not forget his coaching staff. He himself credits Richie Barker with the main coaching developments. There seems to be a good foundation in place to move this club away from the disaster of the Morris years so let's embrace all that is happening. It will take time to get a scouting system up to full and effective operation and to get our Academy back to its former self. The signs there are already good.

I just cannot see that there are any problems save possibly one - our lack of backup for Collo. It seems much effort was put into finding someone so no complaints on that score. OK Wash and Waggy should be back fairly soon but in what sort of a state of readiness? Heaven forbid that Collo should get an injury or suspension. It could lead to much pressure being put on young Brown if then available.

All of that being said, there have been some great observations made on this thread but let's not start to worry just yet!

It would be a dry old forum if we never expressed our opinions, and it's healthy to revise those opinions in the light of available evidence. I have fewer negative thoughts about Warne's management than was the case 3 or 4 months ago but he isn't good or bad, just somewhere in between like the rest of us. Even Clough Senior had his flaws. At the moment there is much to admire about Warne's management, especially the organisation out of possession and the team spiirit. I hope the positives continue to outweigh relatively weaker aspects, such as what seems to be a lack of trust in possession of the ball at some times in games. At the end of the season, whether he is perceived as a hero or a villain may simply come down to one random moment, a bit of good or bad luck or a key decision that makes a point or two difference either way. It's unfair but I suppose that's the lot of a manager.

I don't think I was denying the desirability of opinion or different opinions here - not at all. I was merely expressing my own.

Cambridge v Bolton abandoned after 10 mins ar 0-0, waterlogged pitch.

Which is of course a fatal mistake Chicago. To misquote the Great Man himself, we can discuss all we like, but then we agree that Spart was right. It's just easier that way

comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 22 minutes ago
Cambridge v Bolton abandoned after 10 mins ar 0-0, waterlogged pitch.
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I'm watching the Rangers v Aberdeen game with 4 ex Rams x2 for each side

Shinnie, how I miss him.............

Exeter 0-1 Peterborough HT.

Exeter gave away a soft penalty, then Exeter missed an absolute sitter to equalise. 😭

comment by 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 HebridesRam (U2909)
posted 6 minutes ago
Shinnie, how I miss him.............
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Rangers 1-1 Aberdeen

I might turn Whittaker off & have a glegg at Shinnie 🤔

comment by 🏁 AnglianRam 🏁 still 'Rockin' ... (U17428)
posted 4 minutes ago
I might turn Whittaker off & have a glegg at Shinnie 🤔
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Time never wasted 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 17 minutes ago
Exeter 0-1 Peterborough HT.

Exeter gave away a soft penalty, then Exeter missed an absolute sitter to equalise. 😭
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Peterborough down to 10 men

Not having a go at you Chicago, sorry if it came across that way.

Peterbprough have had a man sent off. Come on you Grecians. I think this is the sort of thing we will be doing from now until season's end, willing teams we care less than tuppence about to do us a favour.

Rams legend Tom Carroll is playing for Exeter. Come on Tom, once a Ram......