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posted on 19/2/24

I love how he always manages to contradict himself in the same segment so he can support whatever decision the ref made.

Kalvin Phillips being booked twice in 3 minutes:
"He got the yellow for adopting an aggressive attitude. When you're on a yellow card, why do you make this tackle? He's given the referee a decision to make and he knows it."

Whereas Casemiro not being sent off for two yellows:
"The yellow was for an accumulation; that was his fourth foul. With the next tackle, A I didn't think that was a yellow card and B, going back to what I said, the yellow was for four fouls. This is the first foul after it, so it's a matter for the referee and how he's totting it up."

posted on 19/2/24

Don't know why they even bother with this segment. Might as well rename it "listen to Dermot Gallagher agree with every single decision his mates have made over the weekend"

The funniest was him trying to justify why Dalot got a red at Anfield, but Nunez didn't for doing the same thing. Just couldn't bring himself to say "yeah, to be honest that was weird refereeing"

posted on 19/2/24

The real issue is you will have seen many players commit similar fouls and get booked without the accumulation needed. Even Casemiro has had that punishment.
Even the commentators are inconsistent, one minute "thats a yellow every time" the next "not every foul is a yellow" for two very similar fouls.
This sort of thing always takes me back to Arsenal at Palace this season, where Ayew pulls back Saka and it wasn't a yellow (he was already on one) despite Saka breaking towards the box. Then Ayew is touched by Tomiyasu on the half way line and the second yellow is instantly out for our man.


I said the other day on a discussion about "blue cards" the bar for reds should be a lot higher, and there should be more done to keep it 11 v 11, and in reality Casemiro didn't do anything that bad that he should be removed from the game. Sadly, though, we see players sent off for less.

posted on 19/2/24

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't know why they even bother with this segment. Might as well rename it "listen to Dermot Gallagher agree with every single decision his mates have made over the weekend"

The funniest was him trying to justify why Dalot got a red at Anfield, but Nunez didn't for doing the same thing. Just couldn't bring himself to say "yeah, to be honest that was weird refereeing"
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Most of them yeah though he didnt agree with the Toney non pen, but then backed it up with well the VAR may well have felt it was a pen but not enough to overrule the initial decision. Basically hiding behind the clear and obvious stuff.

As a Liverpool fan id no issue with the ref being given another look at that again so long as its not just oh VAR think its this i must be wrong ill change my decision. It should be its still your decision ref but have another look at this one.

posted on 19/2/24

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
The real issue is you will have seen many players commit similar fouls and get booked without the accumulation needed. Even Casemiro has had that punishment.
Even the commentators are inconsistent, one minute "thats a yellow every time" the next "not every foul is a yellow" for two very similar fouls.
This sort of thing always takes me back to Arsenal at Palace this season, where Ayew pulls back Saka and it wasn't a yellow (he was already on one) despite Saka breaking towards the box. Then Ayew is touched by Tomiyasu on the half way line and the second yellow is instantly out for our man.


I said the other day on a discussion about "blue cards" the bar for reds should be a lot higher, and there should be more done to keep it 11 v 11, and in reality Casemiro didn't do anything that bad that he should be removed from the game. Sadly, though, we see players sent off for less.
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Yeah I agree.

Trying to put bias aside I don't think the second Casemiro challenge was that bad. I wouldn't have had any complaints if he walked for it, but its not exactly a downright incorrect decision to not to give him a yellow for that.

Gallagher's explanation is just weird and doesn't make much sense though, as usual.

posted on 19/2/24

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
The real issue is you will have seen many players commit similar fouls and get booked without the accumulation needed. Even Casemiro has had that punishment.
Even the commentators are inconsistent, one minute "thats a yellow every time" the next "not every foul is a yellow" for two very similar fouls.
This sort of thing always takes me back to Arsenal at Palace this season, where Ayew pulls back Saka and it wasn't a yellow (he was already on one) despite Saka breaking towards the box. Then Ayew is touched by Tomiyasu on the half way line and the second yellow is instantly out for our man.


I said the other day on a discussion about "blue cards" the bar for reds should be a lot higher, and there should be more done to keep it 11 v 11, and in reality Casemiro didn't do anything that bad that he should be removed from the game. Sadly, though, we see players sent off for less.
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Yeah the fact the presenter said he could have had yellow for this before the first yellow and the luton player reminding the ref hes done it 3 times already showed that.

I think tactical/prof fouls need clamping down on more, a yellow is not enough certainly allowing 4/5 in a row before issuing it is not. Blue cards in theory would be far better punishment/deterrent for it in that respect. Issue is like Ange said teams would just make the game even worse by timewasting until theyre back to 11.

Sort the timewasting out properly first make it utterly pointless in attempting then we can talk about blue cards.

Im a fan of 5 subs for the injury reasons etc and i think it even promotes more time for young players etc too but an issue that has brought is you can easily sub 5 people on yellows off. Gives you more room to have players take yellows for prof fouls etc. ETH used it well vs Luton at HT subbed 3 on yellows off and still had 2 subs left so wasnt even a gamble.

posted on 19/2/24

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 16 minutes ago
I love how he always manages to contradict himself in the same segment so he can support whatever decision the ref made.

Kalvin Phillips being booked twice in 3 minutes:
"He got the yellow for adopting an aggressive attitude. When you're on a yellow card, why do you make this tackle? He's given the referee a decision to make and he knows it."

Whereas Casemiro not being sent off for two yellows:
"The yellow was for an accumulation; that was his fourth foul. With the next tackle, A I didn't think that was a yellow card and B, going back to what I said, the yellow was for four fouls. This is the first foul after it, so it's a matter for the referee and how he's totting it up."
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Ridiculous isnt it? can see the pundits and presenter cringing to a lot of what comes out his mouth too. He represents refs so well though in that he just further highlights everything thats wrong with them and the rules of the game. As does VAR if nothing else it helps shine a light on the pathetically poor state the games in regarding a lot of rules/officiating of them.

posted on 19/2/24

Refs are humans too and actually don't get paid a lot. The PL only attracts money if United are doing well because of the worldwide fanbase. A mid table United and the fans don't tend to tune in. Therefore, it is beneficial to all involved in the sport if United are doing well. The opposition will do well to appreciate that United effectively pay their wages due to the money United attract to the PL. It may seem like an injustice on the pitch at the time but looking at the bigger picture, it benefits the opposition. Refs just need to do what they need to do for the benefit of everyone. And yes they may get more money because of it, but so does everyone. It is win, win for all in the sport.

posted on 19/2/24

Did he mention the yellow for Mainoo for winning the ball
Can’t remember who it was on MOTD2, may even have been match commentator who said “you can’t slide in from that angle to win the ball”

What angle was he supposed to take?, that’s the way he was facing, it was a great tackle but as ever nowadays, if your opponent ends up on the deck it’s somehow a foul

posted on 19/2/24

comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 47 seconds ago
Did he mention the yellow for Mainoo for winning the ball
Can’t remember who it was on MOTD2, may even have been match commentator who said “you can’t slide in from that angle to win the ball”

What angle was he supposed to take?, that’s the way he was facing, it was a great tackle but as ever nowadays, if your opponent ends up on the deck it’s somehow a foul
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i watched the replay just to make sure i dont think hes fully in control or has fully won the ball before he inevitably fouls the luton player. Felt the ref got it right real time and replay didnt change my opinion on that.

Challenges like that are dangerous even when it looks clean and you come out with the ball, justt go reward Elliott breaking his ankle for that. Looked a honest fair challenge but ultimately dangerous and most the time fromt behind like that you're gonna take something of the player before you fully win the ball.

posted on 19/2/24

rewatch*

posted on 19/2/24

people need to realise you can win the ball first but still be reckless and endangering an opponent with a follow through or such. Mainoo did win the ball first but also did follow through lunging from behind catching the luton man from behind with the follow through. felt the ref was well within his right to brandish a yellow for it too.

posted on 19/2/24

comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 47 seconds ago
Did he mention the yellow for Mainoo for winning the ball
Can’t remember who it was on MOTD2, may even have been match commentator who said “you can’t slide in from that angle to win the ball”

What angle was he supposed to take?, that’s the way he was facing, it was a great tackle but as ever nowadays, if your opponent ends up on the deck it’s somehow a foul
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i watched the replay just to make sure i dont think hes fully in control or has fully won the ball before he inevitably fouls the luton player. Felt the ref got it right real time and replay didnt change my opinion on that.

Challenges like that are dangerous even when it looks clean and you come out with the ball, justt go reward Elliott breaking his ankle for that. Looked a honest fair challenge but ultimately dangerous and most the time fromt behind like that you're gonna take something of the player before you fully win the ball.
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It wasn’t from behind

He never wrapped his leg round the Luton player to win the ball, he got there first and the Luton player went over his trailing leg then got straight back up

posted on 19/2/24

comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 47 seconds ago
Did he mention the yellow for Mainoo for winning the ball
Can’t remember who it was on MOTD2, may even have been match commentator who said “you can’t slide in from that angle to win the ball”

What angle was he supposed to take?, that’s the way he was facing, it was a great tackle but as ever nowadays, if your opponent ends up on the deck it’s somehow a foul
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i watched the replay just to make sure i dont think hes fully in control or has fully won the ball before he inevitably fouls the luton player. Felt the ref got it right real time and replay didnt change my opinion on that.

Challenges like that are dangerous even when it looks clean and you come out with the ball, justt go reward Elliott breaking his ankle for that. Looked a honest fair challenge but ultimately dangerous and most the time fromt behind like that you're gonna take something of the player before you fully win the ball.
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It wasn’t from behind

He never wrapped his leg round the Luton player to win the ball, he got there first and the Luton player went over his trailing leg then got straight back up
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py-KhUlDs_4

replays show otherwise, the initial contant might be the back/side of the lutons left leg but mainos follow through right leg hits the back of the luton players right leg possibly both.

As proved with the elliott broken ankle this can be extremely dangerous even if you win the ball first or w.e, hence the justification of yellow card or in the leeds players case an eventual ref.

posted on 19/2/24

Yeah, that is a clear foul and yellow seems to match the offence. As soon as he jumps in from behind like that he risks a yellow.

posted on 19/2/24

fouls from behind were outlawed many many years ago.

it's amazing how many people confuse wrapping a leg round and a tackle genuinely from the side.

if the opponent cannot see then you have come from behind like a wrong un.

simple enough. it's almost as long a rule as the back pass ffs.

casemior was a clearly yellow all day and just let off so Luton can't afford any bad decisions like that and their hopes of a point or more at home went up in smoke there from one ref call.

casemiro was off at ht as tin hat at least spotted the ref would have him off with one more foul.

Luton only have themselves to blame I suppose as they didn't roll about screaming. is that what refs require?

posted on 19/2/24

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
Yeah, that is a clear foul and yellow seems to match the offence. As soon as he jumps in from behind like that he risks a yellow.
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and for good reason imo, this is one theyve got the laws correct. IDK maybe you have to lose one of your own to a nasty injury before you understand/accept why that the law atm?

posted on 19/2/24

comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
Yeah, that is a clear foul and yellow seems to match the offence. As soon as he jumps in from behind like that he risks a yellow.
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and for good reason imo, this is one theyve got the laws correct. IDK maybe you have to lose one of your own to a nasty injury before you understand/accept why that the law atm?
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Players can suffer a nasty injury from the most innocuous challenges, I remember Valencia breaking his ankle v Tangers in the CL, it’s just bad luck, Holgates challenge on Mitoma however I’d say was dangerous, Mainoo just made a great challenge and the ref made a bad call

posted on 19/2/24

Casemiro should have seen red. No grumbles from me.

How you lot have the bare faced cheek to moan about this though with some of the absolutey ridiculous decisions you've had to your way of late I will never know. 😂

posted on 19/2/24

In my opinion red cards should only ever be for serious foul play. Having games ruined for nothing tackles is pretty pathetic.

posted on 19/2/24

VAR really failed to do its job in the penalty areas on at least three separate occasions this weekend.

Robbo into Brentford forward (Toney?), heavy shove right into the middle of the back.

Spurs defender on Wolves forward, clear as day stamp on trailing foot.

Chelsea defender persustently grabbing and tugging Ruben Dias from behind to prevent him getting up gor a header. For some reason, MotD only had eyes for the potential handballs.

The first two didn't really have any impact on the outcome, but the last could've potentially been two more points for City.

Regardless of who those decisions went for or against, it just doesn't make sense that one week (or minute) they're calling trivial stuff back to get the ref to re-officiate, and the next it seems that nothing short of cold-blooded murder qualifies as "clear and obvious"

posted on 20/2/24

I think if someone is not willing to do the job paid for they should be taken off air.

Gallagher is not there to be PGMOL spokesperson. He is not there to defend people he didn't probably even ever ref with.

He's there to give perspective as a former professional ref on the decision making process and be a subject matter expert.

the waffle and excuses he makes up on a weekly basis are in fact showing exactly the level of ref expertise. they guess and make stuff up to justify themselves.

comment by MonTT (U22775)

posted on 20/2/24

The victims seriously complaining about ref's
such a weird bunch

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