It's not fairer - it's no real change in that sense.
But as I said right at the start, the point isn't about fairness. It's about the move to a super league format.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
It's not fairer - it's no real change in that sense.
But as I said right at the start, the point isn't about fairness. It's about the move to a super league format.
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instead of just saying its not fairer , explain why.
I have explained why i think its fairer,,, every team goes into the same draw under the same parameters (they dont currently) they all play against similar levels of opponents (they dont currently).
what does it matter if its one big league in place of smaller leagues.
this new format whilst being far from perfect is better than the current one. Open up far more opportunities to the smaller teams than before.
the only problem I would have with a Super league if it replaces champions league, is if they close it off to a select number of teams. thats the biggest problem most had with the super league, that it was not an open competition.
I've told you multiple times that this article isn't about fairness, it's about the move to a league format.
So no, I'm not going to debate that point with you for hours.
Thanks anyway.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 0 seconds ago
I've told you multiple times that this article isn't about fairness, it's about the move to a league format.
So no, I'm not going to debate that point with you for hours.
Thanks anyway.
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and you just read the first point ....
"what does it matter if its one big league in place of smaller leagues.
this new format whilst being far from perfect is better than the current one. Open up far more opportunities to the smaller teams than before.
the only problem I would have with a Super league if it replaces champions league, is if they close it off to a select number of teams. thats the biggest problem most had with the super league, that it was not an open competition."
one of your points in the OP Winston was that it makes it easier for the big teams, im arguing against that saying it makes t harder for them since they no longer avoid the pot 1 teams like the do currently. the overall draw is fairer towards everyone and not weighted like it is now towards the bigger teams,
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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exactly chief.... if the draws are no longer being favoured towards the higher seeded teams then its hard to argue against it.
the qualifying will stay the same, they will ditch the stupid drop down into lesser comps rule. all teams will have the same amount of games against similar levels of team to every other team in the competition.
all positives in comparison to what we have now IMO.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Dylan Carreiro (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dylan Carreiro (U1734)
posted 33 seconds ago
It will do nothing to address the continuing imbalance around Europe though. Ideally you want strong teams in as many countries as possible. Not more and more in one or two leagues and then keep giving them more places based on "merit".
If you disgree with this, it is because you are a PL fan and the current system is benefiting the PL the most.
Limit it to a couple of teams per country for the top competition and you will see more spread of resources around different leagues.
I want to see a strong Benfica vs a strong Ajax. That is much better than watching fake money cheating Chelsea v City every year.
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na disagree smaller teams will more chance to pick up results and co-efficient points and in turn money.
bigger teams will find it harder by actually having to play other top teams at this stage.
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No. It is qualifying for the CL that matters to the big teams/leagues. They keep getting more and more places in select leagues. For a better competition around Europe, the places themselves need to be limited to make it more attractive for players/managers to go to a team top of a slightly lesser league instead of 7th in the PL.
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and the more that smaller teams from other nations can add to their tallies by playing other pot 4 teams and bigger team will lose more cos they have to play other pot 1 teams. neither happened before, so smaller teams have a better chance to increase and improve their countries co-eff. this same format will also filter down to the the europa and the conference in turn again further enhancing the chances of smaller teams building up a co-efficient , defo far easier than it is now.
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No. Cos the teams you call "small", like Ajax, Celtic, Benfica will still be the same level cos it's still more attractive to go to Newcastle than to one of them if you are a manager/player. For it to be a great competition again there needs to be much bigger change and spread of resources around Europe.
New system is arguably fairer than the current one IMO.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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Well unless they make a public statement telling people that they want to move to a super league format, then obviously it's conjecture.
Not really sure what relevance that has - unless you think organisations like UEFA and FIFA can be trusted to tell us about ambitions that we might not agree with.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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exactly chief.... if the draws are no longer being favoured towards the higher seeded teams then its hard to argue against it.
the qualifying will stay the same, they will ditch the stupid drop down into lesser comps rule. all teams will have the same amount of games against similar levels of team to every other team in the competition.
all positives in comparison to what we have now IMO.
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Agreed
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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Well unless they make a public statement telling people that they want to move to a super league format, then obviously it's conjecture.
Not really sure what relevance that has - unless you think organisations like UEFA and FIFA can be trusted to tell us about ambitions that we might not agree with.
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ok so other than you worrying about it progressing to a closed off super league thingy that everyone had a problem with.
you agree that this new format will be fairer for all teams and a fairer competition altogether in comparison to what we have now?
your biggest gripe with it is what it could become rather than what it actually is?
the biggest problem with the super league was that it was a closed off competition with a select amount of teams picked to be in it.
I dont see this current format of CL going that way.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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Well unless they make a public statement telling people that they want to move to a super league format, then obviously it's conjecture.
Not really sure what relevance that has - unless you think organisations like UEFA and FIFA can be trusted to tell us about ambitions that we might not agree with.
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ok so other than you worrying about it progressing to a closed off super league thingy that everyone had a problem with.
you agree that this new format will be fairer for all teams and a fairer competition altogether in comparison to what we have now?
your biggest gripe with it is what it could become rather than what it actually is?
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I've already answered this.
Listen, I get it, you think it's fairer and therefore you like it. I heard you.
It’s absolutely shiiiiite. Hate the idea and wish they’d just leave it alone.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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Well unless they make a public statement telling people that they want to move to a super league format, then obviously it's conjecture.
Not really sure what relevance that has - unless you think organisations like UEFA and FIFA can be trusted to tell us about ambitions that we might not agree with.
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ok so other than you worrying about it progressing to a closed off super league thingy that everyone had a problem with.
you agree that this new format will be fairer for all teams and a fairer competition altogether in comparison to what we have now?
your biggest gripe with it is what it could become rather than what it actually is?
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I've already answered this.
Listen, I get it, you think it's fairer and therefore you like it. I heard you.
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and as per your OP you think its not fairer and more weighted towards the bigger teams, its fairly obvious its not.
your problem is that you think its gonna become a closed off league that teams are selected to be in as that what the super league was proposed to be.
I dont think the CL will become a closed off comp with handpicked teams like you fear (I assume thats your fear since thats the problem most had with the Super League)
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
the biggest problem with the super league was that it was a closed off competition with a select amount of teams picked to be in it.
I dont see this current format of CL going that way.
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This! It was the lack of stakes, no relegation or qualification was the biggest issue.
They've changed the format of the CL over the years,, anyone remember the infamous second group stage, as it does get a bit boring. At the moment the group stage is the most boring thing about the comp IMO.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 seconds ago
ok.
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is that your fear that it becomes a closed off super league?
So at the end of the massive CL group, only 12 of the 36 teams will be out. That giving me Euros groups vibes where they make it extremely difficult for big teams not to qualify.
In what world should finishing 24th in a 36 team league mean you progress to a play off??
What will the minimum points for qualifying end up being? Man City win their opening 3 games and have now qualified for the knockouts with 5 games to spare.
What a diluted and pointless league/competition.
Why have we gone towards everyone qualifying being a good thing? It makes things FAR worse and more boring.
The 'closed league' is the final nail in the coffin - if that's your only objection to the super league then I'm not sure there's much I can say.
But there's more than one way to skin a cat.
If the competition becomes easier for big teams to stay in until the later rounds then this feeds more money into those clubs and the gap in their domestic league grows.
Those clubs will eventually be guaranteed a place in the CL league, without the legislation ever needing to be written.
As the article says... it's happening by stealth, and the TV fans are lapping it up.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
The 'closed league' is the final nail in the coffin - if that's your only objection to the super league then I'm not sure there's much I can say.
But there's more than one way to skin a cat.
If the competition becomes easier for big teams to stay in until the later rounds then this feeds more money into those clubs and the gap in their domestic league grows.
Those clubs will eventually be guaranteed a place in the CL league, without the legislation ever needing to be written.
As the article says... it's happening by stealth, and the TV fans are lapping it up.
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yes Id say the majority of peoples problem with the super league was that it was a closed off league with handpicked teams in it.
I dont think many see the CL following that.
Why will it beasier for big teams to stay in the comp if they are being forced to play teams that are better than the ones they currently face? it will make it fairer for ALL teams which should be one of the biggest factors considered.
the rest of your point is pure guesswork. I dont see if it ever doing what the super league tried to do.
I think what it will do is create more rotation. Big teams will be able to rotate more considering a defeat or two doesn't destroy their chances like it may with just the six games. Also they may be all but qualified after four or five games or so and be able to heavily rotate then.
Further to this if a couple of teams, which will mostly be the weaker teams lose three or four of the first four games they'll likely just rotate their team for the final four games to keep them fresh for their domestic games since they'll have little chance of catching up.
So it may be an opportunity for teams to rest players, get youth players and fringe players starts but also it may make some of the games less interesting.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
The 'closed league' is the final nail in the coffin - if that's your only objection to the super league then I'm not sure there's much I can say.
But there's more than one way to skin a cat.
If the competition becomes easier for big teams to stay in until the later rounds then this feeds more money into those clubs and the gap in their domestic league grows.
Those clubs will eventually be guaranteed a place in the CL league, without the legislation ever needing to be written.
As the article says... it's happening by stealth, and the TV fans are lapping it up.
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yes Id say the majority of peoples problem with the super league was that it was a closed off league with handpicked teams in it.
I dont think many see the CL following that.
Why will it beasier for big teams to stay in the comp if they are being forced to play teams that are better than the ones they currently face? it will make it fairer for ALL teams which should be one of the biggest factors considered.
the rest of your point is pure guesswork. I dont see if it ever doing what the super league tried to do.
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I'm bored explaining it to you, so with all due respect, I'm not going to do it anymore.
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 49 seconds ago
I think what it will do is create more rotation. Big teams will be able to rotate more considering a defeat or two doesn't destroy their chances like it may with just the six games. Also they may be all but qualified after four or five games or so and be able to heavily rotate then.
Further to this if a couple of teams, which will mostly be the weaker teams lose three or four of the first four games they'll likely just rotate their team for the final four games to keep them fresh for their domestic games since they'll have little chance of catching up.
So it may be an opportunity for teams to rest players, get youth players and fringe players starts but also it may make some of the games less interesting.
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posted on 5/3/24
It's not fairer - it's no real change in that sense.
But as I said right at the start, the point isn't about fairness. It's about the move to a super league format.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
It's not fairer - it's no real change in that sense.
But as I said right at the start, the point isn't about fairness. It's about the move to a super league format.
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instead of just saying its not fairer , explain why.
I have explained why i think its fairer,,, every team goes into the same draw under the same parameters (they dont currently) they all play against similar levels of opponents (they dont currently).
what does it matter if its one big league in place of smaller leagues.
this new format whilst being far from perfect is better than the current one. Open up far more opportunities to the smaller teams than before.
the only problem I would have with a Super league if it replaces champions league, is if they close it off to a select number of teams. thats the biggest problem most had with the super league, that it was not an open competition.
posted on 5/3/24
I've told you multiple times that this article isn't about fairness, it's about the move to a league format.
So no, I'm not going to debate that point with you for hours.
Thanks anyway.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 0 seconds ago
I've told you multiple times that this article isn't about fairness, it's about the move to a league format.
So no, I'm not going to debate that point with you for hours.
Thanks anyway.
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and you just read the first point ....
"what does it matter if its one big league in place of smaller leagues.
this new format whilst being far from perfect is better than the current one. Open up far more opportunities to the smaller teams than before.
the only problem I would have with a Super league if it replaces champions league, is if they close it off to a select number of teams. thats the biggest problem most had with the super league, that it was not an open competition."
posted on 5/3/24
one of your points in the OP Winston was that it makes it easier for the big teams, im arguing against that saying it makes t harder for them since they no longer avoid the pot 1 teams like the do currently. the overall draw is fairer towards everyone and not weighted like it is now towards the bigger teams,
posted on 5/3/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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exactly chief.... if the draws are no longer being favoured towards the higher seeded teams then its hard to argue against it.
the qualifying will stay the same, they will ditch the stupid drop down into lesser comps rule. all teams will have the same amount of games against similar levels of team to every other team in the competition.
all positives in comparison to what we have now IMO.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Dylan Carreiro (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dylan Carreiro (U1734)
posted 33 seconds ago
It will do nothing to address the continuing imbalance around Europe though. Ideally you want strong teams in as many countries as possible. Not more and more in one or two leagues and then keep giving them more places based on "merit".
If you disgree with this, it is because you are a PL fan and the current system is benefiting the PL the most.
Limit it to a couple of teams per country for the top competition and you will see more spread of resources around different leagues.
I want to see a strong Benfica vs a strong Ajax. That is much better than watching fake money cheating Chelsea v City every year.
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na disagree smaller teams will more chance to pick up results and co-efficient points and in turn money.
bigger teams will find it harder by actually having to play other top teams at this stage.
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No. It is qualifying for the CL that matters to the big teams/leagues. They keep getting more and more places in select leagues. For a better competition around Europe, the places themselves need to be limited to make it more attractive for players/managers to go to a team top of a slightly lesser league instead of 7th in the PL.
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and the more that smaller teams from other nations can add to their tallies by playing other pot 4 teams and bigger team will lose more cos they have to play other pot 1 teams. neither happened before, so smaller teams have a better chance to increase and improve their countries co-eff. this same format will also filter down to the the europa and the conference in turn again further enhancing the chances of smaller teams building up a co-efficient , defo far easier than it is now.
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No. Cos the teams you call "small", like Ajax, Celtic, Benfica will still be the same level cos it's still more attractive to go to Newcastle than to one of them if you are a manager/player. For it to be a great competition again there needs to be much bigger change and spread of resources around Europe.
posted on 5/3/24
New system is arguably fairer than the current one IMO.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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Well unless they make a public statement telling people that they want to move to a super league format, then obviously it's conjecture.
Not really sure what relevance that has - unless you think organisations like UEFA and FIFA can be trusted to tell us about ambitions that we might not agree with.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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exactly chief.... if the draws are no longer being favoured towards the higher seeded teams then its hard to argue against it.
the qualifying will stay the same, they will ditch the stupid drop down into lesser comps rule. all teams will have the same amount of games against similar levels of team to every other team in the competition.
all positives in comparison to what we have now IMO.
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Agreed
posted on 5/3/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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Well unless they make a public statement telling people that they want to move to a super league format, then obviously it's conjecture.
Not really sure what relevance that has - unless you think organisations like UEFA and FIFA can be trusted to tell us about ambitions that we might not agree with.
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ok so other than you worrying about it progressing to a closed off super league thingy that everyone had a problem with.
you agree that this new format will be fairer for all teams and a fairer competition altogether in comparison to what we have now?
your biggest gripe with it is what it could become rather than what it actually is?
posted on 5/3/24
the biggest problem with the super league was that it was a closed off competition with a select amount of teams picked to be in it.
I dont see this current format of CL going that way.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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Well unless they make a public statement telling people that they want to move to a super league format, then obviously it's conjecture.
Not really sure what relevance that has - unless you think organisations like UEFA and FIFA can be trusted to tell us about ambitions that we might not agree with.
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ok so other than you worrying about it progressing to a closed off super league thingy that everyone had a problem with.
you agree that this new format will be fairer for all teams and a fairer competition altogether in comparison to what we have now?
your biggest gripe with it is what it could become rather than what it actually is?
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I've already answered this.
Listen, I get it, you think it's fairer and therefore you like it. I heard you.
posted on 5/3/24
It’s absolutely shiiiiite. Hate the idea and wish they’d just leave it alone.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
They will get fans and clubs used to the league format and then they'll start extending it.
As someone said above, it's hardly stealthy but people seem to be falling for it.
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That’s just pure conjecture though. I agree with Who’s view and it just seems to be a natural progression to freshen it up. You actually have to play teams with the same ranking in the group stages, which is a major improvement on the current format. As long as it isn’t a step towards a closed league, which I don’t think they will ever do, then there really isn’t an issue with it imo.
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Well unless they make a public statement telling people that they want to move to a super league format, then obviously it's conjecture.
Not really sure what relevance that has - unless you think organisations like UEFA and FIFA can be trusted to tell us about ambitions that we might not agree with.
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ok so other than you worrying about it progressing to a closed off super league thingy that everyone had a problem with.
you agree that this new format will be fairer for all teams and a fairer competition altogether in comparison to what we have now?
your biggest gripe with it is what it could become rather than what it actually is?
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I've already answered this.
Listen, I get it, you think it's fairer and therefore you like it. I heard you.
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and as per your OP you think its not fairer and more weighted towards the bigger teams, its fairly obvious its not.
your problem is that you think its gonna become a closed off league that teams are selected to be in as that what the super league was proposed to be.
I dont think the CL will become a closed off comp with handpicked teams like you fear (I assume thats your fear since thats the problem most had with the Super League)
posted on 5/3/24
ok.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
the biggest problem with the super league was that it was a closed off competition with a select amount of teams picked to be in it.
I dont see this current format of CL going that way.
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This! It was the lack of stakes, no relegation or qualification was the biggest issue.
They've changed the format of the CL over the years,, anyone remember the infamous second group stage, as it does get a bit boring. At the moment the group stage is the most boring thing about the comp IMO.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 seconds ago
ok.
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is that your fear that it becomes a closed off super league?
posted on 5/3/24
So at the end of the massive CL group, only 12 of the 36 teams will be out. That giving me Euros groups vibes where they make it extremely difficult for big teams not to qualify.
In what world should finishing 24th in a 36 team league mean you progress to a play off??
What will the minimum points for qualifying end up being? Man City win their opening 3 games and have now qualified for the knockouts with 5 games to spare.
What a diluted and pointless league/competition.
Why have we gone towards everyone qualifying being a good thing? It makes things FAR worse and more boring.
posted on 5/3/24
The 'closed league' is the final nail in the coffin - if that's your only objection to the super league then I'm not sure there's much I can say.
But there's more than one way to skin a cat.
If the competition becomes easier for big teams to stay in until the later rounds then this feeds more money into those clubs and the gap in their domestic league grows.
Those clubs will eventually be guaranteed a place in the CL league, without the legislation ever needing to be written.
As the article says... it's happening by stealth, and the TV fans are lapping it up.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
The 'closed league' is the final nail in the coffin - if that's your only objection to the super league then I'm not sure there's much I can say.
But there's more than one way to skin a cat.
If the competition becomes easier for big teams to stay in until the later rounds then this feeds more money into those clubs and the gap in their domestic league grows.
Those clubs will eventually be guaranteed a place in the CL league, without the legislation ever needing to be written.
As the article says... it's happening by stealth, and the TV fans are lapping it up.
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yes Id say the majority of peoples problem with the super league was that it was a closed off league with handpicked teams in it.
I dont think many see the CL following that.
Why will it beasier for big teams to stay in the comp if they are being forced to play teams that are better than the ones they currently face? it will make it fairer for ALL teams which should be one of the biggest factors considered.
the rest of your point is pure guesswork. I dont see if it ever doing what the super league tried to do.
posted on 5/3/24
I think what it will do is create more rotation. Big teams will be able to rotate more considering a defeat or two doesn't destroy their chances like it may with just the six games. Also they may be all but qualified after four or five games or so and be able to heavily rotate then.
Further to this if a couple of teams, which will mostly be the weaker teams lose three or four of the first four games they'll likely just rotate their team for the final four games to keep them fresh for their domestic games since they'll have little chance of catching up.
So it may be an opportunity for teams to rest players, get youth players and fringe players starts but also it may make some of the games less interesting.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
The 'closed league' is the final nail in the coffin - if that's your only objection to the super league then I'm not sure there's much I can say.
But there's more than one way to skin a cat.
If the competition becomes easier for big teams to stay in until the later rounds then this feeds more money into those clubs and the gap in their domestic league grows.
Those clubs will eventually be guaranteed a place in the CL league, without the legislation ever needing to be written.
As the article says... it's happening by stealth, and the TV fans are lapping it up.
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yes Id say the majority of peoples problem with the super league was that it was a closed off league with handpicked teams in it.
I dont think many see the CL following that.
Why will it beasier for big teams to stay in the comp if they are being forced to play teams that are better than the ones they currently face? it will make it fairer for ALL teams which should be one of the biggest factors considered.
the rest of your point is pure guesswork. I dont see if it ever doing what the super league tried to do.
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I'm bored explaining it to you, so with all due respect, I'm not going to do it anymore.
posted on 5/3/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 49 seconds ago
I think what it will do is create more rotation. Big teams will be able to rotate more considering a defeat or two doesn't destroy their chances like it may with just the six games. Also they may be all but qualified after four or five games or so and be able to heavily rotate then.
Further to this if a couple of teams, which will mostly be the weaker teams lose three or four of the first four games they'll likely just rotate their team for the final four games to keep them fresh for their domestic games since they'll have little chance of catching up.
So it may be an opportunity for teams to rest players, get youth players and fringe players starts but also it may make some of the games less interesting.
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And you think that's a positive?!
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