I've defended Maresca from some of the dinosaurs 'gerrit forwad' brigade and I do think he has done some genuinely good things here, but the warning sirens have been going off for a few weeks now and they are only getting louder. It's all well and good having a defined, strict philosophy and style of play but the best managers know that you have to change it sometimes. Whatever the game, whatever the circumstances, we just stick to the same rigid tactics and it's catching us out and holding us back.
3 or 4 of these players just look completely dead in the water and I don't think that mentality is going to change, especially with a manager so unwilling to learn or change things. I can easily see a scenario now where Leeds and Ipswich set off into the sunset and we finish 4th and lose to West Brom in the play offs.
If we started the season like this, there would be a genuine logic in sacking Maresca. They won't obviously but it does feel like the ship is going down if nothing changes soon. We were suppose to get better the longer the season goes on - instead, we are getting worse. We've gone from looking a Premier League side taking it easy to a bog-standard Championship team that makes everything look like hard work. Don't see at the moment how this changes.
We are doomed. The manager lost the players a couple of months ago. Look at how they play now compared to the start of the season. He is out of his depth and we will be a mid table championship table team next season
comment by Foxy Boy (U20186)
posted 2 minutes ago
We are doomed. The manager lost the players a couple of months ago. Look at how they play now compared to the start of the season. He is out of his depth and we will be a mid table championship table team next season
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Yep. All these thoughts were in my head when we first got relegated to be honest but there was a still chance that the board could have made the changes needed to truly rebuild
On the surface it looked as if they had. Enzo looked like a breath of fresh air - loads of positivity around the place. It was all surface though. Pull back the veil and the chief architect responsible for our relegation was orchestrating the rebuild (Rudkin)z In what possible world could the man who is responsible for such a fall from grace be allowed to review what went wrong and then be tasked with fixing it? Only if your Leicester I’m afraid and run by Top. What a mess
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 6 minutes ago
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
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Not a chance they sack him before the end of the season. Not least because I'm not sure we could afford to without angering the PSR and FFP gods again (we wouldn't even sack a manager who was taking us down, in part because of the finances). It would also make us look ridiculous from a PR perspective, even if it was justified.
Come the end of the season, if we don't go up there may well be a parting of the ways. TBH I don't expect Maresca to be here even if we do get over the line. It's just not looking like a good fit - he will need money to improve the team, which he won't have, and there's a clear ideological divide with certain parts of the fanbase even when we were top and cruising. His frustration at the Sensi signing breaking down and at the fans negativity was the start of the relationship breaking down.
Scott Parker's Blue Army 2024-25.
Not sure I’d want Scott Parker. Not heard good things about him. Would rather get Cooper to get us out of the division if we did implode further in the last 8 games.
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about an hour ago
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
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Genuine question - do you still have faith in the board? Or are you starting to think that actually they haven’t really fixed the sinking ship, but are actually starting to make it worse?
They’ve taken a hell of a gamble on promotion this season by reportedly far exceeding the allowable EFL losses on the basis the EFL wouldn’t be able to touch them. Strikes me the club are still gambling just the way they used to
In any case - it’s far too late to make a change now. That’s the kind of awful decision making that saw us end up with Dean Smith. The first problem you have is someone wanting to take over at this stage of the season (which is why we ended up with Smith last time). Who wants to touch a club that HAS to get promoted to have any kind of short term prospects with an incoming points deduction and transfer embargo on the horizon
Almost like history’s repeating itself right guys? Funny that
Looks like we're likely out of the automatics with another abysmal display
1 down 1 to go. This not getting automatic promotion would be the bottle jobs of all bottle jobs.
comment by 99 Problems (King Power OUT) (U12353)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about an hour ago
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
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Genuine question - do you still have faith in the board? Or are you starting to think that actually they haven’t really fixed the sinking ship, but are actually starting to make it worse?
They’ve taken a hell of a gamble on promotion this season by reportedly far exceeding the allowable EFL losses on the basis the EFL wouldn’t be able to touch them. Strikes me the club are still gambling just the way they used to
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I still have faith in Whelan and Top but question Rudkin.
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by 99 Problems (King Power OUT) (U12353)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about an hour ago
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
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Genuine question - do you still have faith in the board? Or are you starting to think that actually they haven’t really fixed the sinking ship, but are actually starting to make it worse?
They’ve taken a hell of a gamble on promotion this season by reportedly far exceeding the allowable EFL losses on the basis the EFL wouldn’t be able to touch them. Strikes me the club are still gambling just the way they used to
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I still have faith in Whelan and Top but question Rudkin.
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And who do you think is keeping Rudkin in a job - allowing him to continue potentially making fatal mistakes? Yep - that’s where your logic starts to wobble doesn’t it?
comment by 99 Problems (King Power OUT) (U12353)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by 99 Problems (King Power OUT) (U12353)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about an hour ago
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
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Genuine question - do you still have faith in the board? Or are you starting to think that actually they haven’t really fixed the sinking ship, but are actually starting to make it worse?
They’ve taken a hell of a gamble on promotion this season by reportedly far exceeding the allowable EFL losses on the basis the EFL wouldn’t be able to touch them. Strikes me the club are still gambling just the way they used to
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I still have faith in Whelan and Top but question Rudkin.
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And who do you think is keeping Rudkin in a job - allowing him to continue potentially making fatal mistakes? Yep - that’s where your logic starts to wobble doesn’t it?
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I simply don't know enough about Whelan's involvement in this mess to judge to what extent she is culpable, but I'm reasonably certain Rudders isn't fit to remain in post; Top needs to take decisive action, but probably not until the season has come to a conclusion - if we are not promoted and he still doesn't, then there has to be a question over the longer term ownership of the club.
If Top was going to take decisive action over Rudkin in any shape or form then it would have been last season. Instead - he was given the authority to conduct the review into what went wrong. It’s a bit like asking an arsonist to conduct an investigation into the cause of the fire he started.
Top has reportedly handed Rudkin unprecedented control over several sporting related aspects of the King Power group - not just Leicesters football operations. He is evidently completely reliant on him - a sign of a weak owner who badly needs independent advice.
I would expect Rudkin to firmly remain in post while ever Top continues in post.
comment by 99 Problems (King Power OUT) (U12353)
posted 10 hours, 23 minutes ago
If Top was going to take decisive action over Rudkin in any shape or form then it would have been last season. Instead - he was given the authority to conduct the review into what went wrong. It’s a bit like asking an arsonist to conduct an investigation into the cause of the fire he started.
Top has reportedly handed Rudkin unprecedented control over several sporting related aspects of the King Power group - not just Leicesters football operations. He is evidently completely reliant on him - a sign of a weak owner who badly needs independent advice.
I would expect Rudkin to firmly remain in post while ever Top continues in post.
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This is what I also am sadly coming to expect unfortunately, but I am still willing to cut Top/KP a bit more slack in the hope that he will come to his senses. In a way, Top does have an easy out with Rudders as he can get him to concentrate on the other aspects of his KP work whilst replacing him with someone competent as DoF. The flaw in that scenario is who would Top possibly look to for advice on the new appointee to take over as DoF I wonder?
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posted on 29/3/24
I've defended Maresca from some of the dinosaurs 'gerrit forwad' brigade and I do think he has done some genuinely good things here, but the warning sirens have been going off for a few weeks now and they are only getting louder. It's all well and good having a defined, strict philosophy and style of play but the best managers know that you have to change it sometimes. Whatever the game, whatever the circumstances, we just stick to the same rigid tactics and it's catching us out and holding us back.
3 or 4 of these players just look completely dead in the water and I don't think that mentality is going to change, especially with a manager so unwilling to learn or change things. I can easily see a scenario now where Leeds and Ipswich set off into the sunset and we finish 4th and lose to West Brom in the play offs.
If we started the season like this, there would be a genuine logic in sacking Maresca. They won't obviously but it does feel like the ship is going down if nothing changes soon. We were suppose to get better the longer the season goes on - instead, we are getting worse. We've gone from looking a Premier League side taking it easy to a bog-standard Championship team that makes everything look like hard work. Don't see at the moment how this changes.
posted on 29/3/24
We are doomed. The manager lost the players a couple of months ago. Look at how they play now compared to the start of the season. He is out of his depth and we will be a mid table championship table team next season
posted on 29/3/24
comment by Foxy Boy (U20186)
posted 2 minutes ago
We are doomed. The manager lost the players a couple of months ago. Look at how they play now compared to the start of the season. He is out of his depth and we will be a mid table championship table team next season
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Yep. All these thoughts were in my head when we first got relegated to be honest but there was a still chance that the board could have made the changes needed to truly rebuild
On the surface it looked as if they had. Enzo looked like a breath of fresh air - loads of positivity around the place. It was all surface though. Pull back the veil and the chief architect responsible for our relegation was orchestrating the rebuild (Rudkin)z In what possible world could the man who is responsible for such a fall from grace be allowed to review what went wrong and then be tasked with fixing it? Only if your Leicester I’m afraid and run by Top. What a mess
posted on 29/3/24
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
posted on 29/3/24
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 6 minutes ago
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
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Not a chance they sack him before the end of the season. Not least because I'm not sure we could afford to without angering the PSR and FFP gods again (we wouldn't even sack a manager who was taking us down, in part because of the finances). It would also make us look ridiculous from a PR perspective, even if it was justified.
Come the end of the season, if we don't go up there may well be a parting of the ways. TBH I don't expect Maresca to be here even if we do get over the line. It's just not looking like a good fit - he will need money to improve the team, which he won't have, and there's a clear ideological divide with certain parts of the fanbase even when we were top and cruising. His frustration at the Sensi signing breaking down and at the fans negativity was the start of the relationship breaking down.
Scott Parker's Blue Army 2024-25.
posted on 29/3/24
Not sure I’d want Scott Parker. Not heard good things about him. Would rather get Cooper to get us out of the division if we did implode further in the last 8 games.
posted on 29/3/24
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about an hour ago
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
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Genuine question - do you still have faith in the board? Or are you starting to think that actually they haven’t really fixed the sinking ship, but are actually starting to make it worse?
They’ve taken a hell of a gamble on promotion this season by reportedly far exceeding the allowable EFL losses on the basis the EFL wouldn’t be able to touch them. Strikes me the club are still gambling just the way they used to
posted on 29/3/24
In any case - it’s far too late to make a change now. That’s the kind of awful decision making that saw us end up with Dean Smith. The first problem you have is someone wanting to take over at this stage of the season (which is why we ended up with Smith last time). Who wants to touch a club that HAS to get promoted to have any kind of short term prospects with an incoming points deduction and transfer embargo on the horizon
Almost like history’s repeating itself right guys? Funny that
posted on 29/3/24
Looks like we're likely out of the automatics with another abysmal display
posted on 29/3/24
1 down 1 to go. This not getting automatic promotion would be the bottle jobs of all bottle jobs.
posted on 29/3/24
comment by 99 Problems (King Power OUT) (U12353)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about an hour ago
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
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Genuine question - do you still have faith in the board? Or are you starting to think that actually they haven’t really fixed the sinking ship, but are actually starting to make it worse?
They’ve taken a hell of a gamble on promotion this season by reportedly far exceeding the allowable EFL losses on the basis the EFL wouldn’t be able to touch them. Strikes me the club are still gambling just the way they used to
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I still have faith in Whelan and Top but question Rudkin.
posted on 29/3/24
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by 99 Problems (King Power OUT) (U12353)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about an hour ago
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
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Genuine question - do you still have faith in the board? Or are you starting to think that actually they haven’t really fixed the sinking ship, but are actually starting to make it worse?
They’ve taken a hell of a gamble on promotion this season by reportedly far exceeding the allowable EFL losses on the basis the EFL wouldn’t be able to touch them. Strikes me the club are still gambling just the way they used to
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I still have faith in Whelan and Top but question Rudkin.
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And who do you think is keeping Rudkin in a job - allowing him to continue potentially making fatal mistakes? Yep - that’s where your logic starts to wobble doesn’t it?
posted on 29/3/24
comment by 99 Problems (King Power OUT) (U12353)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by 99 Problems (King Power OUT) (U12353)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about an hour ago
Genuine question, lose to Norwich and do we sack Maresca to try and fall over the line for promotion?
My thought is no and that it would do more harm than good, but it’s a genuine concern right now.
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Genuine question - do you still have faith in the board? Or are you starting to think that actually they haven’t really fixed the sinking ship, but are actually starting to make it worse?
They’ve taken a hell of a gamble on promotion this season by reportedly far exceeding the allowable EFL losses on the basis the EFL wouldn’t be able to touch them. Strikes me the club are still gambling just the way they used to
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I still have faith in Whelan and Top but question Rudkin.
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And who do you think is keeping Rudkin in a job - allowing him to continue potentially making fatal mistakes? Yep - that’s where your logic starts to wobble doesn’t it?
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I simply don't know enough about Whelan's involvement in this mess to judge to what extent she is culpable, but I'm reasonably certain Rudders isn't fit to remain in post; Top needs to take decisive action, but probably not until the season has come to a conclusion - if we are not promoted and he still doesn't, then there has to be a question over the longer term ownership of the club.
posted on 29/3/24
If Top was going to take decisive action over Rudkin in any shape or form then it would have been last season. Instead - he was given the authority to conduct the review into what went wrong. It’s a bit like asking an arsonist to conduct an investigation into the cause of the fire he started.
Top has reportedly handed Rudkin unprecedented control over several sporting related aspects of the King Power group - not just Leicesters football operations. He is evidently completely reliant on him - a sign of a weak owner who badly needs independent advice.
I would expect Rudkin to firmly remain in post while ever Top continues in post.
posted on 30/3/24
comment by 99 Problems (King Power OUT) (U12353)
posted 10 hours, 23 minutes ago
If Top was going to take decisive action over Rudkin in any shape or form then it would have been last season. Instead - he was given the authority to conduct the review into what went wrong. It’s a bit like asking an arsonist to conduct an investigation into the cause of the fire he started.
Top has reportedly handed Rudkin unprecedented control over several sporting related aspects of the King Power group - not just Leicesters football operations. He is evidently completely reliant on him - a sign of a weak owner who badly needs independent advice.
I would expect Rudkin to firmly remain in post while ever Top continues in post.
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This is what I also am sadly coming to expect unfortunately, but I am still willing to cut Top/KP a bit more slack in the hope that he will come to his senses. In a way, Top does have an easy out with Rudders as he can get him to concentrate on the other aspects of his KP work whilst replacing him with someone competent as DoF. The flaw in that scenario is who would Top possibly look to for advice on the new appointee to take over as DoF I wonder?
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