Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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If we changed to a 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2 and used our full backs for width (they're never in proper defense positions anyway) we could stop playing wide players who don't work and shore up a decidedly dodgy midfield.
It looks to me so simple, why am I seeing it and not the millionaire manager?
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Said it months ago, Ange has no Plan B, and all I got was a load of abuse on here.
Good that people are finally waking up.
My feelings now, just limp through to the end of the season, try and scrape 5th/CL and then hope for a decent transfer window.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
My feelings now, just limp through to the end of the season, try and scrape 5th/CL and then hope for a decent transfer window.
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Sounds like every season for the last ten years…
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
My feelings now, just limp through to the end of the season, try and scrape 5th/CL and then hope for a decent transfer window.
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Sounds like every season for the last ten years…
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Well we’ve not even managed that for a while.
Said it on the other thread - it’s his first season. Pep struggled, Klopp came 8th, Arteta won the cup but was bobbins in the league.
Let’s also remember we sold a generational talent in the summer after a season where the club was absolutely toxic. Ange has gotten quite a few things right this year and absolutely deserves another season.
If there is no plan B this time next year then alarm bells absolutely should be ringing, but for the remainder of this season it’s a case of making the most of what we have and hope that’s enough for Europe - I’m still worried we could lose to all of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and City and United and Newcastle catch us - it’s likely that won’t happen, but not a certainty.
Ange has been straight from the get go - he has one way of playing and won’t abandon that.
I think you are a bit short of players for Ange ball. The high line needs quick defenders to snuff out breakaways. That’s why Walker is at City. You rely a lot on VDV. He had a mare and you got a f11sting.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 8 minutes ago
Ange has been straight from the get go - he has one way of playing and won’t abandon that.
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Yes.
The downside of that is, our opponents have worked out that way of playing and respond accordingly.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 28 minutes ago
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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We have not had a great season all things considered. Out of both cups early, a number of dodgy results, and now we're in danger of missing out on the one thing we have left to target. We have spent a considerable amount of money in order to do this as well.
I don't think we can have any more than a good season, rather than a great one.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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How have they had a great season? 5th in the league which as things stand won’t be enough for CL. 8 league defeats. Out of both cups early. Multiple spankings. If the rest of their games go to form, they will finish on 6 points more than last season, form which was bad enough to get 2 managers the sack in 1 season.
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posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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How have they had a great season? 5th in the league which as things stand won’t be enough for CL. 8 league defeats. Out of both cups early. Multiple spankings. If the rest of their games go to form, they will finish on 6 points more than last season, form which was bad enough to get 2 managers the sack in 1 season.
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Based on spend, Spurs should be what, 6th?
Started the season by losing arguably the best striker in the world.
New manager, new system.
Maybe ‘great’ is reaching, but it’s a good season for them imo and plenty to build on.
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posted 36 minutes ago
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posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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How have they had a great season? 5th in the league which as things stand won’t be enough for CL. 8 league defeats. Out of both cups early. Multiple spankings. If the rest of their games go to form, they will finish on 6 points more than last season, form which was bad enough to get 2 managers the sack in 1 season.
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Based on spend, Spurs should be what, 6th?
Started the season by losing arguably the best striker in the world.
New manager, new system.
Maybe ‘great’ is reaching, but it’s a good season for them imo and plenty to build on.
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It’s been f*cking ordinary, that’s it.
Ange deserves to be fully judged next season, after Levy has had 3 windows to acquire (some of) the players he needs to play his system.
Ange will likely be left short like all his predecessors were, but there still should be signs of improvement next season, and if not then questions would need to be asked.
You have to remember who Ange is working for, Levy has never fully backed any of his managers (even when on the brink of achieving things) and it will be no different for Ange.
49 goals conceded at this stage with 6 games to go is awful. That's higher than the totals of all the past seasons since 2014-15 with the exception of last season, though when you consider who we have coming up we might even concede more than the 63 we conceded last season.
The funny thing is the goals conceded for most of the teams around us is also awful. Villa have conceded the same amount. Defences are truly terrible in the league at the moment apart from for the top 3.
One of the main concerns I have about the tactics is that yes we are completely open, everyone knows that. But even more worryingly is our inability to breakdown low blocks. Thinking back to even the redknapp and poch eras, we’ve usually struggled against low blocks, but here it is even more glaring and easier to counter.
Having our fullbacks as attacking mids actually is a negative on 2 parts - 1 is of course we are exposed on counter and 2 they further congest an already congested attacking third. Its literally impossible for the attack to do anything other than pass around from wing to wing, only for werner to run into a dead end. Painful to watch
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ange deserves to be fully judged next season, after Levy has had 3 windows to acquire (some of) the players he needs to play his system.
Ange will likely be left short like all his predecessors were, but there still should be signs of improvement next season, and if not then questions would need to be asked.
You have to remember who Ange is working for, Levy has never fully backed any of his managers (even when on the brink of achieving things) and it will be no different for Ange.
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I've never been Levy's biggest fan but as far as backing a new manager, I think Ange has had a decent start, certainly compared to other managers. We've bought a new keeper, 2 new defenders, a new number 10, a new winger, and most would consider these to be good players/signings, certainly from what we've seen so far. That's over £150m on these guys. We did lose Kane which was a blow but there's a good team in what we've got left and I haven't included money spent on sealing deals for loan players either.
Ange has been backed adequately so far.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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How have they had a great season? 5th in the league which as things stand won’t be enough for CL. 8 league defeats. Out of both cups early. Multiple spankings. If the rest of their games go to form, they will finish on 6 points more than last season, form which was bad enough to get 2 managers the sack in 1 season.
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Based on spend, Spurs should be what, 6th?
Started the season by losing arguably the best striker in the world.
New manager, new system.
Maybe ‘great’ is reaching, but it’s a good season for them imo and plenty to build on.
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This
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
Said it on the other thread - it’s his first season. Pep struggled, Klopp came 8th, Arteta won the cup but was bobbins in the league.
Let’s also remember we sold a generational talent in the summer after a season where the club was absolutely toxic. Ange has gotten quite a few things right this year and absolutely deserves another season.
If there is no plan B this time next year then alarm bells absolutely should be ringing, but for the remainder of this season it’s a case of making the most of what we have and hope that’s enough for Europe - I’m still worried we could lose to all of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and City and United and Newcastle catch us - it’s likely that won’t happen, but not a certainty.
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Under normal circumstances I think you’re right. It’s his first season and we can’t expect miracles…. BUT… I think the reason why there’s so little in the way of excitement is because progress isn’t linear. When Poch came in, we struggled to start with, then we started to get better and better with each passing month. With Ange, we owe a lot regarding our current league position to those first 12 unbeaten games when his tactics were new to the league. Since then we’ve been found out a little bit, are leaking goals (would be far more without Vicario) and have dropped down the league. Our form since November is bang average, nearer mid table so if progress isn’t linear, it’s hard to see which direction the club is heading. Those previous managers you spoke of steadily improved. You could see them getting better in their first season so the hope was always there that the rise would continue.
Ange started well and dipped and now we can’t get it back. We have the same players but we all seem to think they’re no longer performing as well. No one has stopped to consider the fact that the opposition might not be letting them play their game. Our best players might have dipped because we’ve been found out tactically. There’s nothing to be admired in being stubborn and steadfast in your philosophy if your philosophy is flawed. Even Pep and Klopp make tactical tweaks in order to win. You can’t always go out there and play your game, particularly when hammerings like yesterday have become so frequent. It’s almost arrogant to ignore it.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results.
Nonsense about players we have a good squad it needs improving but the manager is really letting us down.
Newcastle had a makeshift side with murphy at right back, dubravka whos like Lloris was is a yard off the pace of the game. They won 4-0.
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 23 minutes ago
Nonsense about players we have a good squad it needs improving but the manager is really letting us down.
Newcastle had a makeshift side with murphy at right back, dubravka whos like Lloris was is a yard off the pace of the game. They won 4-0.
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Exactly we have a good* squad that’s why we are hanging around 4th or 5th.
To get higher we need a great squad.
I don’t actually think it’s that good tbh just have around 14 good players out of the 25
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posted on 13/4/24
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
posted on 13/4/24
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posted on 13/4/24
If we changed to a 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2 and used our full backs for width (they're never in proper defense positions anyway) we could stop playing wide players who don't work and shore up a decidedly dodgy midfield.
It looks to me so simple, why am I seeing it and not the millionaire manager?
posted on 13/4/24
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posted on 14/4/24
Said it months ago, Ange has no Plan B, and all I got was a load of abuse on here.
Good that people are finally waking up.
posted on 14/4/24
My feelings now, just limp through to the end of the season, try and scrape 5th/CL and then hope for a decent transfer window.
posted on 14/4/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
My feelings now, just limp through to the end of the season, try and scrape 5th/CL and then hope for a decent transfer window.
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Sounds like every season for the last ten years…
posted on 14/4/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
My feelings now, just limp through to the end of the season, try and scrape 5th/CL and then hope for a decent transfer window.
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Sounds like every season for the last ten years…
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Well we’ve not even managed that for a while.
posted on 14/4/24
Said it on the other thread - it’s his first season. Pep struggled, Klopp came 8th, Arteta won the cup but was bobbins in the league.
Let’s also remember we sold a generational talent in the summer after a season where the club was absolutely toxic. Ange has gotten quite a few things right this year and absolutely deserves another season.
If there is no plan B this time next year then alarm bells absolutely should be ringing, but for the remainder of this season it’s a case of making the most of what we have and hope that’s enough for Europe - I’m still worried we could lose to all of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and City and United and Newcastle catch us - it’s likely that won’t happen, but not a certainty.
posted on 14/4/24
Ange has been straight from the get go - he has one way of playing and won’t abandon that.
posted on 14/4/24
I think you are a bit short of players for Ange ball. The high line needs quick defenders to snuff out breakaways. That’s why Walker is at City. You rely a lot on VDV. He had a mare and you got a f11sting.
posted on 14/4/24
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 8 minutes ago
Ange has been straight from the get go - he has one way of playing and won’t abandon that.
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Yes.
The downside of that is, our opponents have worked out that way of playing and respond accordingly.
posted on 14/4/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 28 minutes ago
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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We have not had a great season all things considered. Out of both cups early, a number of dodgy results, and now we're in danger of missing out on the one thing we have left to target. We have spent a considerable amount of money in order to do this as well.
I don't think we can have any more than a good season, rather than a great one.
posted on 14/4/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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How have they had a great season? 5th in the league which as things stand won’t be enough for CL. 8 league defeats. Out of both cups early. Multiple spankings. If the rest of their games go to form, they will finish on 6 points more than last season, form which was bad enough to get 2 managers the sack in 1 season.
posted on 14/4/24
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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How have they had a great season? 5th in the league which as things stand won’t be enough for CL. 8 league defeats. Out of both cups early. Multiple spankings. If the rest of their games go to form, they will finish on 6 points more than last season, form which was bad enough to get 2 managers the sack in 1 season.
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Based on spend, Spurs should be what, 6th?
Started the season by losing arguably the best striker in the world.
New manager, new system.
Maybe ‘great’ is reaching, but it’s a good season for them imo and plenty to build on.
posted on 14/4/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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How have they had a great season? 5th in the league which as things stand won’t be enough for CL. 8 league defeats. Out of both cups early. Multiple spankings. If the rest of their games go to form, they will finish on 6 points more than last season, form which was bad enough to get 2 managers the sack in 1 season.
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Based on spend, Spurs should be what, 6th?
Started the season by losing arguably the best striker in the world.
New manager, new system.
Maybe ‘great’ is reaching, but it’s a good season for them imo and plenty to build on.
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It’s been f*cking ordinary, that’s it.
posted on 14/4/24
Ange deserves to be fully judged next season, after Levy has had 3 windows to acquire (some of) the players he needs to play his system.
Ange will likely be left short like all his predecessors were, but there still should be signs of improvement next season, and if not then questions would need to be asked.
You have to remember who Ange is working for, Levy has never fully backed any of his managers (even when on the brink of achieving things) and it will be no different for Ange.
posted on 14/4/24
49 goals conceded at this stage with 6 games to go is awful. That's higher than the totals of all the past seasons since 2014-15 with the exception of last season, though when you consider who we have coming up we might even concede more than the 63 we conceded last season.
The funny thing is the goals conceded for most of the teams around us is also awful. Villa have conceded the same amount. Defences are truly terrible in the league at the moment apart from for the top 3.
posted on 14/4/24
One of the main concerns I have about the tactics is that yes we are completely open, everyone knows that. But even more worryingly is our inability to breakdown low blocks. Thinking back to even the redknapp and poch eras, we’ve usually struggled against low blocks, but here it is even more glaring and easier to counter.
Having our fullbacks as attacking mids actually is a negative on 2 parts - 1 is of course we are exposed on counter and 2 they further congest an already congested attacking third. Its literally impossible for the attack to do anything other than pass around from wing to wing, only for werner to run into a dead end. Painful to watch
posted on 14/4/24
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ange deserves to be fully judged next season, after Levy has had 3 windows to acquire (some of) the players he needs to play his system.
Ange will likely be left short like all his predecessors were, but there still should be signs of improvement next season, and if not then questions would need to be asked.
You have to remember who Ange is working for, Levy has never fully backed any of his managers (even when on the brink of achieving things) and it will be no different for Ange.
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I've never been Levy's biggest fan but as far as backing a new manager, I think Ange has had a decent start, certainly compared to other managers. We've bought a new keeper, 2 new defenders, a new number 10, a new winger, and most would consider these to be good players/signings, certainly from what we've seen so far. That's over £150m on these guys. We did lose Kane which was a blow but there's a good team in what we've got left and I haven't included money spent on sealing deals for loan players either.
Ange has been backed adequately so far.
posted on 14/4/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Spurs have had a great season, all things considered. It might just be a dip.
The big question, as it always is at Spurs, is whether the club will properly back the manager in the summer.
Probably not.
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How have they had a great season? 5th in the league which as things stand won’t be enough for CL. 8 league defeats. Out of both cups early. Multiple spankings. If the rest of their games go to form, they will finish on 6 points more than last season, form which was bad enough to get 2 managers the sack in 1 season.
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Based on spend, Spurs should be what, 6th?
Started the season by losing arguably the best striker in the world.
New manager, new system.
Maybe ‘great’ is reaching, but it’s a good season for them imo and plenty to build on.
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This
posted on 14/4/24
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
Said it on the other thread - it’s his first season. Pep struggled, Klopp came 8th, Arteta won the cup but was bobbins in the league.
Let’s also remember we sold a generational talent in the summer after a season where the club was absolutely toxic. Ange has gotten quite a few things right this year and absolutely deserves another season.
If there is no plan B this time next year then alarm bells absolutely should be ringing, but for the remainder of this season it’s a case of making the most of what we have and hope that’s enough for Europe - I’m still worried we could lose to all of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and City and United and Newcastle catch us - it’s likely that won’t happen, but not a certainty.
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Under normal circumstances I think you’re right. It’s his first season and we can’t expect miracles…. BUT… I think the reason why there’s so little in the way of excitement is because progress isn’t linear. When Poch came in, we struggled to start with, then we started to get better and better with each passing month. With Ange, we owe a lot regarding our current league position to those first 12 unbeaten games when his tactics were new to the league. Since then we’ve been found out a little bit, are leaking goals (would be far more without Vicario) and have dropped down the league. Our form since November is bang average, nearer mid table so if progress isn’t linear, it’s hard to see which direction the club is heading. Those previous managers you spoke of steadily improved. You could see them getting better in their first season so the hope was always there that the rise would continue.
Ange started well and dipped and now we can’t get it back. We have the same players but we all seem to think they’re no longer performing as well. No one has stopped to consider the fact that the opposition might not be letting them play their game. Our best players might have dipped because we’ve been found out tactically. There’s nothing to be admired in being stubborn and steadfast in your philosophy if your philosophy is flawed. Even Pep and Klopp make tactical tweaks in order to win. You can’t always go out there and play your game, particularly when hammerings like yesterday have become so frequent. It’s almost arrogant to ignore it.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results.
posted on 14/4/24
Nonsense about players we have a good squad it needs improving but the manager is really letting us down.
Newcastle had a makeshift side with murphy at right back, dubravka whos like Lloris was is a yard off the pace of the game. They won 4-0.
posted on 14/4/24
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 23 minutes ago
Nonsense about players we have a good squad it needs improving but the manager is really letting us down.
Newcastle had a makeshift side with murphy at right back, dubravka whos like Lloris was is a yard off the pace of the game. They won 4-0.
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Exactly we have a good* squad that’s why we are hanging around 4th or 5th.
To get higher we need a great squad.
I don’t actually think it’s that good tbh just have around 14 good players out of the 25
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