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posted on 22/4/24


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United do have a long term vision in place Jim made that clear speaking to Gabby Yorath when he crossed the line at the Marathon yesterday. He feels as frustrated as the fans do but it is stifled by gardening leave which will take some time to resolve apparently. He knows United fans are impatient but wants us to keep calm because the future is bright. New stadium was mentioned again. He either means it or is incredibly stupid.

Meanwhile we have to stop making United a laughing stock on the pitch with the cup final coming. The remaining league games are meaningless. Sacking the manager now will help that. He cant be allowed to have that final.

posted on 22/4/24

Tuchel isn't right for us.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tuchel isn't right for us.
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Nobody ever seems right for us. 😂

Sticking with this muppet isn't going to work. He's completely clueless.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 7 minutes ago

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United do have a long term vision in place Jim made that clear speaking to Gabby Yorath when he crossed the line at the Marathon yesterday. He feels as frustrated as the fans do but it is stifled by gardening leave which will take some time to resolve apparently. He knows United fans are impatient but wants us to keep calm because the future is bright. New stadium was mentioned again. He either means it or is incredibly stupid.

Meanwhile we have to stop making United a laughing stock on the pitch with the cup final coming. The remaining league games are meaningless. Sacking the manager now will help that. He cant be allowed to have that final.
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RBW, assuming that comment was a reply to me.

Of course, there's a long-term vision in terms of instilling a culture of excellence, investing in the fabric of the club, the stadium, the facilities, youth academy, etc. What I meant is that (if we're to believe what INEOS has said about having qualified professionals making decisions) in the absence of the new operational sporting hierarchy, there's not a vision in place with regard to the detailed sporting strategy, which is important in terms of bringing in a manager whose strengths and methods are a good fit with what we are trying to achieve. As I see it, until that more detailed footballing master-plan is in place, we're effectively looking at an interim manager who *might* take on the permanent job. Most world class managers these days look carefully at opportunities to see if the club is the right fit for them. At the moment, all United can do is speak in general terms about aspirations to have a culture of excellence, joined up decision making, etc - but not present a really compelling plan that says 'you're the right man to lead this forward'.

If I were one of the world's best managers, I'd probably elect to pass on an offer in those circumstances, and wait to see what United have to say when the whole sporting team and strategy has crystallised.

posted on 22/4/24

I'm always sceptical of any report that has us going for a manager because 'Ratcliffe rates him'. Ratcliffe will not be making that decision.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm always sceptical of any report that has us going for a manager because 'Ratcliffe rates him'. Ratcliffe will not be making that decision.
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posted on 22/4/24

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm always sceptical of any report that has us going for a manager because 'Ratcliffe rates him'. Ratcliffe will not be making that decision.
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Pretty naive on both your counts if you don't think he's in regular communication with Barrada and Ashworth already though. He will be. Gardening leave is the most corruptable clause in existence which beggars the belief why people even bother with in in 2024.

I don't think anyone believes Jim is picking them.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tuchel isn't right for us.
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Nobody ever seems right for us. 😂

Sticking with this muppet isn't going to work. He's completely clueless.
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I think Ajax showed he is not completely clueless.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tuchel isn't right for us.
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Nobody ever seems right for us. 😂

Sticking with this muppet isn't going to work. He's completely clueless.
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I think Ajax showed he is not completely clueless.
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52, you’re arguing with someone who thinks Barrada was sent by City to spy on us. You’re wasting your time.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm always sceptical of any report that has us going for a manager because 'Ratcliffe rates him'. Ratcliffe will not be making that decision.
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Quite hes made that clear from the get go. But I think he is confident in the abilities and professionslism of the Ineos team that is slowly being assembled with Brailsford and Co. Clearly to me TH wont be part of this vision. But for example the relationships with Southgate is with Ashworth not Jim. And he made a point yesterday in his BBC interview that gardening leave was the biggest barrier to progressing the oneos vision right now. In fact he called it a nightmare atm if I remember correctly.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by Cesario (U22905)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tuchel isn't right for us.
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Nobody ever seems right for us. 😂

Sticking with this muppet isn't going to work. He's completely clueless.
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I think Ajax showed he is not completely clueless.
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52, you’re arguing with someone who thinks Barrada was sent by City to spy on us. You’re wasting your time.
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forgot about that

posted on 22/4/24

comment by Sydney Sweeney (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cesario (U22905)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tuchel isn't right for us.
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Nobody ever seems right for us. 😂

Sticking with this muppet isn't going to work. He's completely clueless.
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I think Ajax showed he is not completely clueless.
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52, you’re arguing with someone who thinks Barrada was sent by City to spy on us. You’re wasting your time.
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forgot about that
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posted on 22/4/24

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sydney Sweeney (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cesario (U22905)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tuchel isn't right for us.
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Nobody ever seems right for us. 😂

Sticking with this muppet isn't going to work. He's completely clueless.
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I think Ajax showed he is not completely clueless.
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52, you’re arguing with someone who thinks Barrada was sent by City to spy on us. You’re wasting your time.
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forgot about that
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posted on 22/4/24

comment by Cesario (U22905)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tuchel isn't right for us.
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Nobody ever seems right for us. 😂

Sticking with this muppet isn't going to work. He's completely clueless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Ajax showed he is not completely clueless.
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52, you’re arguing with someone who thinks Barrada was sent by City to spy on us. You’re wasting your time.
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That was a tongue in cheek comment and you know it was. Although i do find it slightly bizarre given the task he has that he'd go up against his best mate in Tixki. He must be mental.

You don't think Casemiro is amazing anymore don't you? You were banging the drum about how good he's been more than anyone so if keep quiet mate.

posted on 22/4/24

I'd keep*

posted on 22/4/24

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tuchel isn't right for us.
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Nobody ever seems right for us. 😂

Sticking with this muppet isn't going to work. He's completely clueless.
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I think Ajax showed he is not completely clueless.
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But hes now the manager of United in the Premier League. A completely different proposition.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tuchel isn't right for us.
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Nobody ever seems right for us. 😂

Sticking with this muppet isn't going to work. He's completely clueless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Ajax showed he is not completely clueless.
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But hes now the manager of United in the Premier League. A completely different proposition.
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We should go get the Sebian League winner whoever he is. Afterall he's a winner so what could go wrong? Ole won the Norwegian league too let's not forget.

Winning with Ajax means absolutely sweet FA.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm always sceptical of any report that has us going for a manager because 'Ratcliffe rates him'. Ratcliffe will not be making that decision.
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Pretty naive on both your counts if you don't think he's in regular communication with Barrada and Ashworth already though. He will be. Gardening leave is the most corruptable clause in existence which beggars the belief why people even bother with in in 2024.

I don't think anyone believes Jim is picking them.
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As Bloodred has mentioned, there are lots of newspaper reports that operate on that level, and I've seen discussions on this forum that take them as a starting point.

As for garden leave, a certain amount of informal communication is to be expected, but I don't think you're speaking from a foundation of knowledge when you confidently suggest that it's effectively powerless. The kind of detailed communication between Berrada, Ashworth, Wilcox and INEOS to put together a full strategy is very unlikely to be taking place.

posted on 22/4/24

should go get the Sebian League winner whoever he is. Afterall he's a winner so what could go wrong? Ole won the Norwegian league too let's not forget.

Winning with Ajax means absolutely sweet FA.

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United basically tried that by appointing the tecnical director of Torpedo Moscow as manager a couple of years ago.

posted on 22/4/24

Winning with Ajax means absolutely sweet FA.

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Good job for Chelsea that they didn't have your narrow-minded opinions on hiring a manager who had success with a lesser club like Porto.

Or us hiring a manager who had success with Aberdeen for that matter.

You really are an arrogant pr!ck.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm always sceptical of any report that has us going for a manager because 'Ratcliffe rates him'. Ratcliffe will not be making that decision.
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Pretty naive on both your counts if you don't think he's in regular communication with Barrada and Ashworth already though. He will be. Gardening leave is the most corruptable clause in existence which beggars the belief why people even bother with in in 2024.

I don't think anyone believes Jim is picking them.
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That's a different argument, which I agree with you on to some extent.

But yes, there are a few outlets that seem to be linking us with a managers on the basis of them being Ratcliffe's preference (including this one).

posted on 22/4/24

Winning with Ajax does mean something.

To Ajax, and their supporters.

It doesnt help Man United supporters right now. Or Ten Hags future as Man United manager.

posted on 22/4/24

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 minutes ago
Winning with Ajax means absolutely sweet FA.

..............

Good job for Chelsea that they didn't have your narrow-minded opinions on hiring a manager who had success with a lesser club like Porto.

Or us hiring a manager who had success with Aberdeen for that matter.

You really are an arrogant pr!ck.
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Tbf he had won the Europa and CL with them so had good credentials

posted on 22/4/24

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 24 minutes ago
Winning with Ajax means absolutely sweet FA.

..............

Good job for Chelsea that they didn't have your narrow-minded opinions on hiring a manager who had success with a lesser club like Porto.

Or us hiring a manager who had success with Aberdeen for that matter.

You really are an arrogant pr!ck.
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Well it doesn't does it? Winning the league in the Dutch league with their most famous club isn't a pre-requisite for the United job?

And I wanted ETH too. It wasn't because he won trophies there. It was because of the way his team played and especially in the Bernabeu that impressed me.

In hindsight I don't think it was down to ETH how they played but more the Ajax ethos that many of them had been playing since being 8/9 years old. De Jong, De Ligt Etc.

So you can change your mind on managers VC. I won't hide away from the fact I wanted him to replace Ole. It hasn't worked out.

posted on 22/4/24

And I wanted ETH too. It wasn't because he won trophies there. It was because of the way his team played



That maybe a more Ajax development thing rather than ETH implementing it.

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