Great player, doesn't go out of his way to be likeable. But then he ain't paid for being likeable.
A good player and been our best performer all season - sure he has faults, but if everyone else had played to the general level he has, pretty sure we would be in 4th spot.
We need someone to come in and take the captaincy off him - I think it hinders rather than helps Bruno, and we need to see if Mount can give us a similar as him, because we rely on Bruno far too heavily.
Depends on who is in his place, i guess.
I appreciate what he brings to the table and think he's a very good player... But we could have potentially benefited more by having a 3rd midfielder rather than a player that plays behind the 3 forwards.
Btw - if you'd have posted this same article a month or two ago, people would be a lot less pro-bruno... The fickle nature of the football fan and the speed in which players can turn around our adoration!
well, we're a distant 6th with him, as we were 2 seasons ago.
I think sometimes Bruno is a victim of his durability.
He frustrates at times but he's always available and he always gives 100%. He just needs to be reigned in at times IMO. Especially if Rashford is playing too as they are both guilty of losing the ball cheaply at times.
It is a double-edged sword Robbsie. We might be in a better place if we played 4-3-3 with an actual midfielder.
There are probably just as many cons to playing Bruno as there are pros.
Depends who the alternative would have been. If it was Donny and Mount then way down the table. If it was someone good then it’s a different matter.
Rashford would score more pens
We might have a more balanced midfield if we bought well. Bruno's a bit like Rooney in his last few seasons with us, on paper and statistically he's vital but there's an argument that him being there hinders our ability to play a more cohesive midfield.
Hes our best player. Like him or not. A face that needs punching or not. Caprain or not. (Hes the 3rd player that United posters have said his face needs punching this morning). Until we get better players he will continue do be so. Yet there are some who say he shouldnt start games anymore. Good grief!
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hes our best player. Like him or not. A face that needs punching or not. Caprain or not. (Hes the 3rd player that United posters have said his face needs punching this morning). Until we get better players he will continue do be so. Yet there are some who say he shouldnt start games anymore. Good grief!
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I could understand the 'drop Rashford and give someone else a go' mantra, but more often than not Bruno would be one of our top 3 performers in matches, and we would have missed him too much not to start him.
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posted 41 minutes ago
Rashford would score more pens
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Yeah but who's gonna win them without him?
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It could be that he is our best player, but in a position that has not really worked for us in over a decade, since we signed Mata.
He should certainly start games for us in this current set up and formation, no one is saying otherwise (on this post, at least)... But I don't think it's unfair to see we could still play well if he wasn't in the team.
The Mason Mount of a few years back, for instance, would be ideal for his spot and probably make us an overall better, but less exciting team.
Hes our best player. Like him or not.
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It isn't a question of whether you like him or not.
It is a question of having balance in the team. If Bruno is producing and we are winning games, then it isn't really a problem.
When Bruno isn't producing and that has been for most of this season, then he is a liability. which we can all see.
I like Bruno, he has the right mentality, clearly loves playing for the club and seems to care which can't be said for many at the club.
But it's weather he is the best fit for a team moving forward. I think it often happens where a club sell their 'best' player but improve because they end up working better as a unit.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
I like Bruno, he has the right mentality, clearly loves playing for the club and seems to care which can't be said for many at the club.
But it's weather he is the best fit for a team moving forward. I think it often happens where a club sell their 'best' player but improve because they end up working better as a unit.
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Like with Coutinho at Liverpool, when they got an absolute fortune for him and used the money to sign players who fitted their system better
merry
True, and that was a lot less clear because Liverpool were at least playing very well when they had Coutinho but Klopp saw the bigger picture and what Liverpool needed to be even better.
Or we could get two better DMs behind him and become a better side. Imagine if we had a Rice and a Fabinho for example offering him so much more security to do what he does.
He's also one of the causes of us conceding a fair few goals too.
Potato potata
Agree 1982 but I don't think we're at the point yet where we're equipped to outgrow Bruno. The classic example is selling Ruud, but when we did that, we had two promising young forwards in the squad who were ready to step up. At this moment we need a new DM and far more productive wide forwards before we can hope to replace him with a more all-round midfielder.
Seems more plausible to recruit those players and ask Bruno to play a less heroic role in the short term
Russian
Yeah I'm not saying sell him straight away. I'm simply saying that we could technically have a more balanced and cohesive midfield without Bruno and replaced with the right players. Like I said, I like Bruno and there are plenty of areas we need to fix without having to move him out now but what I said was in response to Rob's initial question.
comment by Robb Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Or we could get two better DMs behind him and become a better side. Imagine if we had a Rice and a Fabinho for example offering him so much more security to do what he does.
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he turns 30 at the beginning of next season, so we're very much running out of time to do that.
has never won a major trophy for either club or country, has found a bit of form this season only after the league season has basically ended for us (unless you consider that securing 6th in the table is a great achievement), and over the last 4 seasons (142 pl games, 91% of his pl career) has been less productive per 90 mins than pogba was for us (true story).
he is nowhere near good enough to "build a team around", which is what you appear to be suggesting we do. i mean, he's had the freedom to do pretty much whatever he wanted to do for most of his time here, and we've won one carabao cup, and now look to have our worst team for 3 decades.
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
I like Bruno, he has the right mentality, clearly loves playing for the club and seems to care which can't be said for many at the club.
But it's weather he is the best fit for a team moving forward. I think it often happens where a club sell their 'best' player but improve because they end up working better as a unit.
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Like with Coutinho at Liverpool, when they got an absolute fortune for him and used the money to sign players who fitted their system better
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Issue with that is that they already had Mane, Salah and Firmino, who had become more important than Coutinho by the time they sold him. We don’t have players of that quality in attack, and Bruno is still easily our best attacker.
I’d gladly replace Bruno if we could reinvest the money to become a stronger team overall, though. I wouldn’t have any faith in the previous regime doing that. We’ll have to wait and see whether the new one can build enough confidence in the fans that they can make tough decisions on big players and adequately improve the team.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Or we could get two better DMs behind him and become a better side. Imagine if we had a Rice and a Fabinho for example offering him so much more security to do what he does.
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he turns 30 at the beginning of next season, so we're very much running out of time to do that.
has never won a major trophy for either club or country, has found a bit of form this season only after the league season has basically ended for us (unless you consider that securing 6th in the table is a great achievement), and over the last 4 seasons (142 pl games, 91% of his pl career) has been less productive per 90 mins than pogba was for us (true story).
he is nowhere near good enough to "build a team around", which is what you appear to be suggesting we do. i mean, he's had the freedom to do pretty much whatever he wanted to do for most of his time here, and we've won one carabao cup, and now look to have our worst team for 3 decades.
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posted on 26/4/24
Great player, doesn't go out of his way to be likeable. But then he ain't paid for being likeable.
posted on 26/4/24
A good player and been our best performer all season - sure he has faults, but if everyone else had played to the general level he has, pretty sure we would be in 4th spot.
We need someone to come in and take the captaincy off him - I think it hinders rather than helps Bruno, and we need to see if Mount can give us a similar as him, because we rely on Bruno far too heavily.
posted on 26/4/24
Depends on who is in his place, i guess.
I appreciate what he brings to the table and think he's a very good player... But we could have potentially benefited more by having a 3rd midfielder rather than a player that plays behind the 3 forwards.
Btw - if you'd have posted this same article a month or two ago, people would be a lot less pro-bruno... The fickle nature of the football fan and the speed in which players can turn around our adoration!
posted on 26/4/24
*similar level*
posted on 26/4/24
well, we're a distant 6th with him, as we were 2 seasons ago.
posted on 26/4/24
I think sometimes Bruno is a victim of his durability.
He frustrates at times but he's always available and he always gives 100%. He just needs to be reigned in at times IMO. Especially if Rashford is playing too as they are both guilty of losing the ball cheaply at times.
posted on 26/4/24
It is a double-edged sword Robbsie. We might be in a better place if we played 4-3-3 with an actual midfielder.
There are probably just as many cons to playing Bruno as there are pros.
posted on 26/4/24
Depends who the alternative would have been. If it was Donny and Mount then way down the table. If it was someone good then it’s a different matter.
posted on 26/4/24
Rashford would score more pens
posted on 26/4/24
We might have a more balanced midfield if we bought well. Bruno's a bit like Rooney in his last few seasons with us, on paper and statistically he's vital but there's an argument that him being there hinders our ability to play a more cohesive midfield.
posted on 26/4/24
Hes our best player. Like him or not. A face that needs punching or not. Caprain or not. (Hes the 3rd player that United posters have said his face needs punching this morning). Until we get better players he will continue do be so. Yet there are some who say he shouldnt start games anymore. Good grief!
posted on 26/4/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hes our best player. Like him or not. A face that needs punching or not. Caprain or not. (Hes the 3rd player that United posters have said his face needs punching this morning). Until we get better players he will continue do be so. Yet there are some who say he shouldnt start games anymore. Good grief!
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I could understand the 'drop Rashford and give someone else a go' mantra, but more often than not Bruno would be one of our top 3 performers in matches, and we would have missed him too much not to start him.
posted on 26/4/24
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Pale... (U1108)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rashford would score more pens
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Yeah but who's gonna win them without him?
facebook.com/watch/?v=1158279004753151
posted on 26/4/24
It could be that he is our best player, but in a position that has not really worked for us in over a decade, since we signed Mata.
He should certainly start games for us in this current set up and formation, no one is saying otherwise (on this post, at least)... But I don't think it's unfair to see we could still play well if he wasn't in the team.
The Mason Mount of a few years back, for instance, would be ideal for his spot and probably make us an overall better, but less exciting team.
posted on 26/4/24
Hes our best player. Like him or not.
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It isn't a question of whether you like him or not.
It is a question of having balance in the team. If Bruno is producing and we are winning games, then it isn't really a problem.
When Bruno isn't producing and that has been for most of this season, then he is a liability. which we can all see.
posted on 26/4/24
I like Bruno, he has the right mentality, clearly loves playing for the club and seems to care which can't be said for many at the club.
But it's weather he is the best fit for a team moving forward. I think it often happens where a club sell their 'best' player but improve because they end up working better as a unit.
posted on 26/4/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
I like Bruno, he has the right mentality, clearly loves playing for the club and seems to care which can't be said for many at the club.
But it's weather he is the best fit for a team moving forward. I think it often happens where a club sell their 'best' player but improve because they end up working better as a unit.
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Like with Coutinho at Liverpool, when they got an absolute fortune for him and used the money to sign players who fitted their system better
posted on 26/4/24
merry
True, and that was a lot less clear because Liverpool were at least playing very well when they had Coutinho but Klopp saw the bigger picture and what Liverpool needed to be even better.
posted on 26/4/24
Or we could get two better DMs behind him and become a better side. Imagine if we had a Rice and a Fabinho for example offering him so much more security to do what he does.
posted on 26/4/24
He's also one of the causes of us conceding a fair few goals too.
Potato potata
posted on 26/4/24
Agree 1982 but I don't think we're at the point yet where we're equipped to outgrow Bruno. The classic example is selling Ruud, but when we did that, we had two promising young forwards in the squad who were ready to step up. At this moment we need a new DM and far more productive wide forwards before we can hope to replace him with a more all-round midfielder.
Seems more plausible to recruit those players and ask Bruno to play a less heroic role in the short term
posted on 26/4/24
Russian
Yeah I'm not saying sell him straight away. I'm simply saying that we could technically have a more balanced and cohesive midfield without Bruno and replaced with the right players. Like I said, I like Bruno and there are plenty of areas we need to fix without having to move him out now but what I said was in response to Rob's initial question.
posted on 26/4/24
comment by Robb Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Or we could get two better DMs behind him and become a better side. Imagine if we had a Rice and a Fabinho for example offering him so much more security to do what he does.
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he turns 30 at the beginning of next season, so we're very much running out of time to do that.
has never won a major trophy for either club or country, has found a bit of form this season only after the league season has basically ended for us (unless you consider that securing 6th in the table is a great achievement), and over the last 4 seasons (142 pl games, 91% of his pl career) has been less productive per 90 mins than pogba was for us (true story).
he is nowhere near good enough to "build a team around", which is what you appear to be suggesting we do. i mean, he's had the freedom to do pretty much whatever he wanted to do for most of his time here, and we've won one carabao cup, and now look to have our worst team for 3 decades.
posted on 26/4/24
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
I like Bruno, he has the right mentality, clearly loves playing for the club and seems to care which can't be said for many at the club.
But it's weather he is the best fit for a team moving forward. I think it often happens where a club sell their 'best' player but improve because they end up working better as a unit.
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Like with Coutinho at Liverpool, when they got an absolute fortune for him and used the money to sign players who fitted their system better
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Issue with that is that they already had Mane, Salah and Firmino, who had become more important than Coutinho by the time they sold him. We don’t have players of that quality in attack, and Bruno is still easily our best attacker.
I’d gladly replace Bruno if we could reinvest the money to become a stronger team overall, though. I wouldn’t have any faith in the previous regime doing that. We’ll have to wait and see whether the new one can build enough confidence in the fans that they can make tough decisions on big players and adequately improve the team.
posted on 26/4/24
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Or we could get two better DMs behind him and become a better side. Imagine if we had a Rice and a Fabinho for example offering him so much more security to do what he does.
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he turns 30 at the beginning of next season, so we're very much running out of time to do that.
has never won a major trophy for either club or country, has found a bit of form this season only after the league season has basically ended for us (unless you consider that securing 6th in the table is a great achievement), and over the last 4 seasons (142 pl games, 91% of his pl career) has been less productive per 90 mins than pogba was for us (true story).
he is nowhere near good enough to "build a team around", which is what you appear to be suggesting we do. i mean, he's had the freedom to do pretty much whatever he wanted to do for most of his time here, and we've won one carabao cup, and now look to have our worst team for 3 decades.
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