I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
His positive football and "likeable" character (I think that's debatable tbh but that's another story) given him an easier ride in the media than the likes of Mourinho or Conte would get achieving the same results.
Ange I like as a man and the way he deals with the media, that's one thing, also you had a better start than I imagine most of you would have expected? Raising hopes and aspirations, there was a bad period where you lost players and maybe a bit of confidence?
I watch a fair bit of spurs but appreciate I'm a neutral and not a fan but I've mostly enjoyed watching Spurs this season and given another transfer window, some upgrades, a fresh start then see where you are next season, possibly a better time to fully judge his tenure and effect?
If you're mostly all not happy then the club will make a decision, if you've improved then crack on
The approach from the club overall has been much more positive and thats defo a good thing BUT regardless of what we expected before the season started..... I am disappointed with what looks like will be a 5th place finish given the money spent, players signed, failings of traditional top 4 rivals (Chelsea, United, Newcastle, Brighton) and most worryingly our 2024 performance both as a team and individuals and Ange's stubbornness to play in a way that's easy to figure out and counter act. We have caused more problems for ourselves than we needed to and made games much harder & closer than they needed to be.
Overall, if we finish 5th... The season gets a 6/10 given our poor efforts in the cup and failing to take advantage of big rest periods due to a lack of European football.
Its on Ange, Ownership and the Players..... We deliberately set the bar low and in my opinion stumbled over it
Not the end of the world.... But there are worrying signs for next season if we don't improve the playing staff and greater adaptability from Ange
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 5 minutes ago
The approach from the club overall has been much more positive and thats defo a good thing BUT regardless of what we expected before the season started..... I am disappointed with what looks like will be a 5th place finish given the money spent, players signed, failings of traditional top 4 rivals (Chelsea, United, Newcastle, Brighton) and most worryingly our 2024 performance both as a team and individuals and Ange's stubbornness to play in a way that's easy to figure out and counter act. We have caused more problems for ourselves than we needed to and made games much harder & closer than they needed to be.
Overall, if we finish 5th... The season gets a 6/10 given our poor efforts in the cup and failing to take advantage of big rest periods due to a lack of European football.
Its on Ange, Ownership and the Players..... We deliberately set the bar low and in my opinion stumbled over it
Not the end of the world.... But there are worrying signs for next season if we don't improve the playing staff and greater adaptability from Ange
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I would also give it a 6/10 and don't think it can be any more than that unless we somehow manage to get top 4 with some brilliant late form.
After the poor performance in the cups and the failure to get top 4, all we've got left this season is being able to produce good, entertaining football, but with a leaky defence and predictable attacks that barely result in goal scoring chances, we haven't even got that to look forward to.
His approach is very similar to Pep's 1st year at City. I think they finished 5th with Pep stubbornly sticking to his principles. They too were regarded as too easy to play against and naive in their approach. At this point the best teams as we all know find the right balance.
The big difference is that Pep was given unlimited resources to buy the best to make his dream football work..... No manager under ENIC at Spurs has ever been so lucky and I doubt Ange will be either.
You cannot win trophies in England against Europe's toughest competition, playing champagne football on a cheap beer budget.
As has been proved by Arsenal getting close. If it takes 100mln to buy Rice and make you a contender you do it. Spurs would rather spend 30mln on 3 players we either don't need or make us better.
Its moving in the right direction but a significant change in approach is needed. Signing Brenan Johnson, Dragusin, Timo Werner and Viccario aint winning you the league and probably aint good enough to get you top 4.
not another rant Spurtle
We could do with just laying off this for a bit
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
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Well Jose had won a CL before coming to the PL, Fergie had European success too. Ange by comparison is pretty entrenched in far weaker leagues all of his managerial career so far. Not saying he won't know to adapt or anything but it makes me wonder more so now that he has been under scrutiny with things he's said regarding defending.
Hoping that the early season wasn't just teams not figuring us out and it was also down to us having more belief and confidence and players playing much better. In which case we should be able to get to those levels of performance again.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
His approach is very similar to Pep's 1st year at City. I think they finished 5th with Pep stubbornly sticking to his principles. They too were regarded as too easy to play against and naive in their approach. At this point the best teams as we all know find the right balance.
The big difference is that Pep was given unlimited resources to buy the best to make his dream football work..... No manager under ENIC at Spurs has ever been so lucky and I doubt Ange will be either.
You cannot win trophies in England against Europe's toughest competition, playing champagne football on a cheap beer budget.
As has been proved by Arsenal getting close. If it takes 100mln to buy Rice and make you a contender you do it. Spurs would rather spend 30mln on 3 players we either don't need or make us better.
Its moving in the right direction but a significant change in approach is needed. Signing Brenan Johnson, Dragusin, Timo Werner and Viccario aint winning you the league and probably aint good enough to get you top 4.
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They finished 3rd mate.
I also remember he ditched Hart for Bravo but Bravo was a bit of a calamity so in walked Ederson next season which was a big boost.
We need new players but I don't think we're that far off top 4. We should have got it this season realistically. Being able to take it to the next level of challenging in Europe and for the title may indeed mean a marquee signing or 2. If we buy well this summer and are still no better off then you'd have start saying this is all an Ange thing. Good start required for next season.
This is worth a watch because if you look at the patterns of play here, they're 100% different to what we're seeing now. First of all, there's no way Vicario risks that ball into midfield now. He'd likely take the easier pass out to VDV. Further up the pitch, just look how brave some of this movement is. We've lost that. i don't know if it's a confidence thing or not but it's clear to me now that this isn't just about teams working us out. It's that we're not doing the same things we were doing before. We're not as brave on the ball. We're not trying the riskier forward pass anymore. You could argue that teams just sit in which makes it harder but still, this looks like a completely different team to me. It gives me a bit of hope in a way because it suggests it's about confidence and bravery over anything else. There's no doubt the last few months on the end of a few hammerings have taken their toll on the players. The fear is back. I can now see what Ange means saying that there's so much more than just set pieces to sort out.
https://twitter.com/cdeccleshare/status/1786043396605227161?s=46
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
not another rant Spurtle
We could do with just laying off this for a bit
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Just a small one this time.
If we lose badly tonight you may be seeing a few more.
If this was his second season then yes, underwhelming and still major issues to overcome in terms of personnel, results and some performances.
But its year 1. A season that will likely see us better Poch's first season (64 points), Arteta's first full season (61 points), he had alreeady been there since dec of the previous season, Emery's first Villa season (61 pts),.
I feel Spurs fans have lost some perspective, skewed by the very strong start to the season. I am not denying it has become a disappointing end (and we still have 5 games lef, so could turn it around a bitt) but overall I still feel like we have over achieved slightly on our original expectations.
Next season we will know whether he's the real deal or not, when he's had 2 summer windows, a full pre-season and will have the added pressure of Europe and great expectations amongst the fans.
There is a lot to enjoy and be positive about with Ange and this group, but some negatives that need addressing. But this is ever the case when a new man comes in and rebuilds from a mess. Arteta was still being booed and many fans wanted him gone well into his second season.
Fans should not be hasty to judge and even if Ange proves in the end he isnt the fecking Messiah, then he needs way more time to be judged on this.
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posted 2 minutes ago
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I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
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Well Jose had won a CL before coming to the PL, Fergie had European success too. Ange by comparison is pretty entrenched in far weaker leagues all of his managerial career so far. Not saying he won't know to adapt or anything but it makes me wonder more so now that he has been under scrutiny with things he's said regarding defending.
Hoping that the early season wasn't just teams not figuring us out and it was also down to us having more belief and confidence and players playing much better. In which case we should be able to get to those levels of performance again.
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Oh I agree about the European success both had no doubt they were destined for "bigger" things but the leagues were defo weaker than the EPL, I don't want a comparison with them if honest but do think Ange COULD take you forward, time will tell
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is worth a watch because if you look at the patterns of play here, they're 100% different to what we're seeing now. First of all, there's no way Vicario risks that ball into midfield now. He'd likely take the easier pass out to VDV. Further up the pitch, just look how brave some of this movement is. We've lost that. i don't know if it's a confidence thing or not but it's clear to me now that this isn't just about teams working us out. It's that we're not doing the same things we were doing before. We're not as brave on the ball. We're not trying the riskier forward pass anymore. You could argue that teams just sit in which makes it harder but still, this looks like a completely different team to me. It gives me a bit of hope in a way because it suggests it's about confidence and bravery over anything else. There's no doubt the last few months on the end of a few hammerings have taken their toll on the players. The fear is back. I can now see what Ange means saying that there's so much more than just set pieces to sort out.
https://twitter.com/cdeccleshare/status/1786043396605227161?s=46
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I agree that's good news and it does look different to our football these days. We look more energetic and confident there.
As I've said before, it feels like we need the new season now to make a fresh start, get all the players back believing and confident again. It must have been a bit of a kick in the teeth when everything went wrong in the previous Chelsea game when we were top of the league. Hard for the team to have not lost something from that period.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
If this was his second season then yes, underwhelming and still major issues to overcome in terms of personnel, results and some performances.
But its year 1. A season that will likely see us better Poch's first season (64 points), Arteta's first full season (61 points), he had alreeady been there since dec of the previous season, Emery's first Villa season (61 pts),.
I feel Spurs fans have lost some perspective, skewed by the very strong start to the season. I am not denying it has become a disappointing end (and we still have 5 games lef, so could turn it around a bitt) but overall I still feel like we have over achieved slightly on our original expectations.
Next season we will know whether he's the real deal or not, when he's had 2 summer windows, a full pre-season and will have the added pressure of Europe and great expectations amongst the fans.
There is a lot to enjoy and be positive about with Ange and this group, but some negatives that need addressing. But this is ever the case when a new man comes in and rebuilds from a mess. Arteta was still being booed and many fans wanted him gone well into his second season.
Fans should not be hasty to judge and even if Ange proves in the end he isnt the fecking Messiah, then he needs way more time to be judged on this.
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You are missing the context of having no European football and doing nothing in the cups though. Poch got to a cup final, Arteta won the FA Cup in his first season, that's what gave him the credit in the bank to be able to finish 8th again and keep his job. Imagine if Ange had won an FA Cup with Spurs this season? He'd be heralded as a genius straight away. Emery took over from Gerrard after a run of 3 wins in 13, so the points total of 61 isn't even fair on him.
As I say, this isn't me asking for Ange's head or anything. He deserves next season but the talk of progress I sometimes here about this season isn't really true. It's been largely underwhelming.
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I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
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Well Jose had won a CL before coming to the PL, Fergie had European success too. Ange by comparison is pretty entrenched in far weaker leagues all of his managerial career so far. Not saying he won't know to adapt or anything but it makes me wonder more so now that he has been under scrutiny with things he's said regarding defending.
Hoping that the early season wasn't just teams not figuring us out and it was also down to us having more belief and confidence and players playing much better. In which case we should be able to get to those levels of performance again.
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Oh I agree about the European success both hadno doubt they were destined for "bigger" things but the leagues were defo weaker than the EPL, I don't want a comparison with them if honest but do think Ange COULD take you forward, time will tell
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Yeah I look forward to next season...with trepidation. He will need to move quickly if he is to do anything with us. He couldn't afford to do an Arteta (minus the FA Cup) and finish outside the top 4 twice with no other success, cause he'll very likely lose his job. If he is destined for big things he's going to have to start showing signs next season.
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I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
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Well Jose had won a CL before coming to the PL, Fergie had European success too. Ange by comparison is pretty entrenched in far weaker leagues all of his managerial career so far. Not saying he won't know to adapt or anything but it makes me wonder more so now that he has been under scrutiny with things he's said regarding defending.
Hoping that the early season wasn't just teams not figuring us out and it was also down to us having more belief and confidence and players playing much better. In which case we should be able to get to those levels of performance again.
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Oh I agree about the European success both hadno doubt they were destined for "bigger" things but the leagues were defo weaker than the EPL, I don't want a comparison with them if honest but do think Ange COULD take you forward, time will tell
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Yeah I look forward to next season...with trepidation. He will need to move quickly if he is to do anything with us. He couldn't afford to do an Arteta (minus the FA Cup) and finish outside the top 4 twice with no other success, cause he'll very likely lose his job. If he is destined for big things he's going to have to start showing signs next season.
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Yeh a cup win would help but as much as it depends on Ange taking the team forward the current players need to maximise their potential and just as importantly, perhaps even more so the board needs to find the funds to help, Arsenal certainly improved with Rice and a couple of others, not saying it needs massive spending but certainly enough to improve the squad/first team
I’ve never really bought into the no European football thing.
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I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
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Well Jose had won a CL before coming to the PL, Fergie had European success too. Ange by comparison is pretty entrenched in far weaker leagues all of his managerial career so far. Not saying he won't know to adapt or anything but it makes me wonder more so now that he has been under scrutiny with things he's said regarding defending.
Hoping that the early season wasn't just teams not figuring us out and it was also down to us having more belief and confidence and players playing much better. In which case we should be able to get to those levels of performance again.
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Oh I agree about the European success both hadno doubt they were destined for "bigger" things but the leagues were defo weaker than the EPL, I don't want a comparison with them if honest but do think Ange COULD take you forward, time will tell
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Yeah I look forward to next season...with trepidation. He will need to move quickly if he is to do anything with us. He couldn't afford to do an Arteta (minus the FA Cup) and finish outside the top 4 twice with no other success, cause he'll very likely lose his job. If he is destined for big things he's going to have to start showing signs next season.
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Yeh a cup win would help but as much as it depends on Ange taking the team forward the current players need to maximise their potential and just as importantly, perhaps even more so the board needs to find the funds to help, Arsenal certainly improved with Rice and a couple of others, not saying it needs massive spending but certainly enough to improve the squad/first team
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Arsenal is a strange one because everyone says they've improved, yet they're only going to get 5 more points than last season if they win all their remaining games. I guess they have improved a bit and Rice has been very good but ultimately they may end up trophyless again.
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comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
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not another rant Spurtle
We could do with just laying off this for a bit
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Just a small one this time.
If we lose badly tonight you may be seeing a few more.
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He probably has yeah, but you’ve also had unrealistic expectations.
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I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
posted on 2/5/24
His positive football and "likeable" character (I think that's debatable tbh but that's another story) given him an easier ride in the media than the likes of Mourinho or Conte would get achieving the same results.
posted on 2/5/24
Ange I like as a man and the way he deals with the media, that's one thing, also you had a better start than I imagine most of you would have expected? Raising hopes and aspirations, there was a bad period where you lost players and maybe a bit of confidence?
I watch a fair bit of spurs but appreciate I'm a neutral and not a fan but I've mostly enjoyed watching Spurs this season and given another transfer window, some upgrades, a fresh start then see where you are next season, possibly a better time to fully judge his tenure and effect?
If you're mostly all not happy then the club will make a decision, if you've improved then crack on
posted on 2/5/24
The approach from the club overall has been much more positive and thats defo a good thing BUT regardless of what we expected before the season started..... I am disappointed with what looks like will be a 5th place finish given the money spent, players signed, failings of traditional top 4 rivals (Chelsea, United, Newcastle, Brighton) and most worryingly our 2024 performance both as a team and individuals and Ange's stubbornness to play in a way that's easy to figure out and counter act. We have caused more problems for ourselves than we needed to and made games much harder & closer than they needed to be.
Overall, if we finish 5th... The season gets a 6/10 given our poor efforts in the cup and failing to take advantage of big rest periods due to a lack of European football.
Its on Ange, Ownership and the Players..... We deliberately set the bar low and in my opinion stumbled over it
Not the end of the world.... But there are worrying signs for next season if we don't improve the playing staff and greater adaptability from Ange
posted on 2/5/24
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
posted on 2/5/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
posted on 2/5/24
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 5 minutes ago
The approach from the club overall has been much more positive and thats defo a good thing BUT regardless of what we expected before the season started..... I am disappointed with what looks like will be a 5th place finish given the money spent, players signed, failings of traditional top 4 rivals (Chelsea, United, Newcastle, Brighton) and most worryingly our 2024 performance both as a team and individuals and Ange's stubbornness to play in a way that's easy to figure out and counter act. We have caused more problems for ourselves than we needed to and made games much harder & closer than they needed to be.
Overall, if we finish 5th... The season gets a 6/10 given our poor efforts in the cup and failing to take advantage of big rest periods due to a lack of European football.
Its on Ange, Ownership and the Players..... We deliberately set the bar low and in my opinion stumbled over it
Not the end of the world.... But there are worrying signs for next season if we don't improve the playing staff and greater adaptability from Ange
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I would also give it a 6/10 and don't think it can be any more than that unless we somehow manage to get top 4 with some brilliant late form.
After the poor performance in the cups and the failure to get top 4, all we've got left this season is being able to produce good, entertaining football, but with a leaky defence and predictable attacks that barely result in goal scoring chances, we haven't even got that to look forward to.
posted on 2/5/24
His approach is very similar to Pep's 1st year at City. I think they finished 5th with Pep stubbornly sticking to his principles. They too were regarded as too easy to play against and naive in their approach. At this point the best teams as we all know find the right balance.
The big difference is that Pep was given unlimited resources to buy the best to make his dream football work..... No manager under ENIC at Spurs has ever been so lucky and I doubt Ange will be either.
You cannot win trophies in England against Europe's toughest competition, playing champagne football on a cheap beer budget.
As has been proved by Arsenal getting close. If it takes 100mln to buy Rice and make you a contender you do it. Spurs would rather spend 30mln on 3 players we either don't need or make us better.
Its moving in the right direction but a significant change in approach is needed. Signing Brenan Johnson, Dragusin, Timo Werner and Viccario aint winning you the league and probably aint good enough to get you top 4.
posted on 2/5/24
not another rant Spurtle
We could do with just laying off this for a bit
posted on 2/5/24
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
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Well Jose had won a CL before coming to the PL, Fergie had European success too. Ange by comparison is pretty entrenched in far weaker leagues all of his managerial career so far. Not saying he won't know to adapt or anything but it makes me wonder more so now that he has been under scrutiny with things he's said regarding defending.
Hoping that the early season wasn't just teams not figuring us out and it was also down to us having more belief and confidence and players playing much better. In which case we should be able to get to those levels of performance again.
posted on 2/5/24
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
His approach is very similar to Pep's 1st year at City. I think they finished 5th with Pep stubbornly sticking to his principles. They too were regarded as too easy to play against and naive in their approach. At this point the best teams as we all know find the right balance.
The big difference is that Pep was given unlimited resources to buy the best to make his dream football work..... No manager under ENIC at Spurs has ever been so lucky and I doubt Ange will be either.
You cannot win trophies in England against Europe's toughest competition, playing champagne football on a cheap beer budget.
As has been proved by Arsenal getting close. If it takes 100mln to buy Rice and make you a contender you do it. Spurs would rather spend 30mln on 3 players we either don't need or make us better.
Its moving in the right direction but a significant change in approach is needed. Signing Brenan Johnson, Dragusin, Timo Werner and Viccario aint winning you the league and probably aint good enough to get you top 4.
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They finished 3rd mate.
I also remember he ditched Hart for Bravo but Bravo was a bit of a calamity so in walked Ederson next season which was a big boost.
We need new players but I don't think we're that far off top 4. We should have got it this season realistically. Being able to take it to the next level of challenging in Europe and for the title may indeed mean a marquee signing or 2. If we buy well this summer and are still no better off then you'd have start saying this is all an Ange thing. Good start required for next season.
posted on 2/5/24
This is worth a watch because if you look at the patterns of play here, they're 100% different to what we're seeing now. First of all, there's no way Vicario risks that ball into midfield now. He'd likely take the easier pass out to VDV. Further up the pitch, just look how brave some of this movement is. We've lost that. i don't know if it's a confidence thing or not but it's clear to me now that this isn't just about teams working us out. It's that we're not doing the same things we were doing before. We're not as brave on the ball. We're not trying the riskier forward pass anymore. You could argue that teams just sit in which makes it harder but still, this looks like a completely different team to me. It gives me a bit of hope in a way because it suggests it's about confidence and bravery over anything else. There's no doubt the last few months on the end of a few hammerings have taken their toll on the players. The fear is back. I can now see what Ange means saying that there's so much more than just set pieces to sort out.
https://twitter.com/cdeccleshare/status/1786043396605227161?s=46
posted on 2/5/24
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
not another rant Spurtle
We could do with just laying off this for a bit
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Just a small one this time.
If we lose badly tonight you may be seeing a few more.
posted on 2/5/24
If this was his second season then yes, underwhelming and still major issues to overcome in terms of personnel, results and some performances.
But its year 1. A season that will likely see us better Poch's first season (64 points), Arteta's first full season (61 points), he had alreeady been there since dec of the previous season, Emery's first Villa season (61 pts),.
I feel Spurs fans have lost some perspective, skewed by the very strong start to the season. I am not denying it has become a disappointing end (and we still have 5 games lef, so could turn it around a bitt) but overall I still feel like we have over achieved slightly on our original expectations.
Next season we will know whether he's the real deal or not, when he's had 2 summer windows, a full pre-season and will have the added pressure of Europe and great expectations amongst the fans.
There is a lot to enjoy and be positive about with Ange and this group, but some negatives that need addressing. But this is ever the case when a new man comes in and rebuilds from a mess. Arteta was still being booed and many fans wanted him gone well into his second season.
Fans should not be hasty to judge and even if Ange proves in the end he isnt the fecking Messiah, then he needs way more time to be judged on this.
posted on 2/5/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
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Well Jose had won a CL before coming to the PL, Fergie had European success too. Ange by comparison is pretty entrenched in far weaker leagues all of his managerial career so far. Not saying he won't know to adapt or anything but it makes me wonder more so now that he has been under scrutiny with things he's said regarding defending.
Hoping that the early season wasn't just teams not figuring us out and it was also down to us having more belief and confidence and players playing much better. In which case we should be able to get to those levels of performance again.
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Oh I agree about the European success both had no doubt they were destined for "bigger" things but the leagues were defo weaker than the EPL, I don't want a comparison with them if honest but do think Ange COULD take you forward, time will tell
posted on 2/5/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is worth a watch because if you look at the patterns of play here, they're 100% different to what we're seeing now. First of all, there's no way Vicario risks that ball into midfield now. He'd likely take the easier pass out to VDV. Further up the pitch, just look how brave some of this movement is. We've lost that. i don't know if it's a confidence thing or not but it's clear to me now that this isn't just about teams working us out. It's that we're not doing the same things we were doing before. We're not as brave on the ball. We're not trying the riskier forward pass anymore. You could argue that teams just sit in which makes it harder but still, this looks like a completely different team to me. It gives me a bit of hope in a way because it suggests it's about confidence and bravery over anything else. There's no doubt the last few months on the end of a few hammerings have taken their toll on the players. The fear is back. I can now see what Ange means saying that there's so much more than just set pieces to sort out.
https://twitter.com/cdeccleshare/status/1786043396605227161?s=46
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I agree that's good news and it does look different to our football these days. We look more energetic and confident there.
As I've said before, it feels like we need the new season now to make a fresh start, get all the players back believing and confident again. It must have been a bit of a kick in the teeth when everything went wrong in the previous Chelsea game when we were top of the league. Hard for the team to have not lost something from that period.
posted on 2/5/24
Patience is needed.
posted on 2/5/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
If this was his second season then yes, underwhelming and still major issues to overcome in terms of personnel, results and some performances.
But its year 1. A season that will likely see us better Poch's first season (64 points), Arteta's first full season (61 points), he had alreeady been there since dec of the previous season, Emery's first Villa season (61 pts),.
I feel Spurs fans have lost some perspective, skewed by the very strong start to the season. I am not denying it has become a disappointing end (and we still have 5 games lef, so could turn it around a bitt) but overall I still feel like we have over achieved slightly on our original expectations.
Next season we will know whether he's the real deal or not, when he's had 2 summer windows, a full pre-season and will have the added pressure of Europe and great expectations amongst the fans.
There is a lot to enjoy and be positive about with Ange and this group, but some negatives that need addressing. But this is ever the case when a new man comes in and rebuilds from a mess. Arteta was still being booed and many fans wanted him gone well into his second season.
Fans should not be hasty to judge and even if Ange proves in the end he isnt the fecking Messiah, then he needs way more time to be judged on this.
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You are missing the context of having no European football and doing nothing in the cups though. Poch got to a cup final, Arteta won the FA Cup in his first season, that's what gave him the credit in the bank to be able to finish 8th again and keep his job. Imagine if Ange had won an FA Cup with Spurs this season? He'd be heralded as a genius straight away. Emery took over from Gerrard after a run of 3 wins in 13, so the points total of 61 isn't even fair on him.
As I say, this isn't me asking for Ange's head or anything. He deserves next season but the talk of progress I sometimes here about this season isn't really true. It's been largely underwhelming.
posted on 2/5/24
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
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Well Jose had won a CL before coming to the PL, Fergie had European success too. Ange by comparison is pretty entrenched in far weaker leagues all of his managerial career so far. Not saying he won't know to adapt or anything but it makes me wonder more so now that he has been under scrutiny with things he's said regarding defending.
Hoping that the early season wasn't just teams not figuring us out and it was also down to us having more belief and confidence and players playing much better. In which case we should be able to get to those levels of performance again.
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Oh I agree about the European success both hadno doubt they were destined for "bigger" things but the leagues were defo weaker than the EPL, I don't want a comparison with them if honest but do think Ange COULD take you forward, time will tell
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Yeah I look forward to next season...with trepidation. He will need to move quickly if he is to do anything with us. He couldn't afford to do an Arteta (minus the FA Cup) and finish outside the top 4 twice with no other success, cause he'll very likely lose his job. If he is destined for big things he's going to have to start showing signs next season.
posted on 2/5/24
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comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
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Well Jose had won a CL before coming to the PL, Fergie had European success too. Ange by comparison is pretty entrenched in far weaker leagues all of his managerial career so far. Not saying he won't know to adapt or anything but it makes me wonder more so now that he has been under scrutiny with things he's said regarding defending.
Hoping that the early season wasn't just teams not figuring us out and it was also down to us having more belief and confidence and players playing much better. In which case we should be able to get to those levels of performance again.
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Oh I agree about the European success both hadno doubt they were destined for "bigger" things but the leagues were defo weaker than the EPL, I don't want a comparison with them if honest but do think Ange COULD take you forward, time will tell
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Yeah I look forward to next season...with trepidation. He will need to move quickly if he is to do anything with us. He couldn't afford to do an Arteta (minus the FA Cup) and finish outside the top 4 twice with no other success, cause he'll very likely lose his job. If he is destined for big things he's going to have to start showing signs next season.
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Yeh a cup win would help but as much as it depends on Ange taking the team forward the current players need to maximise their potential and just as importantly, perhaps even more so the board needs to find the funds to help, Arsenal certainly improved with Rice and a couple of others, not saying it needs massive spending but certainly enough to improve the squad/first team
posted on 2/5/24
I’ve never really bought into the no European football thing.
posted on 2/5/24
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posted 6 minutes ago
I think most would agree we have done better than we really expected. The good start we had gave us all false hope and some of our obvious problem bit hard i.e. poor overall squad with no real quality backup when we got injuries.
No giving some of our home grown youngsters a chance here and there.
Ange does have questions over him now as the seasons progressed we have been found out and the frailties in the way play are glaringly obvious. I’m sure Ange is aware of the issues but he wants to do it his way and thats his choice.
He is hampered by the squad not being as strong as he’d want. Will he get the chance to continue and improve…..only time will tell I guess.
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He does seem very set in his ways and I can understand why he won't adapt his attacking philosophy at any point, for the sake of instilling the style in the team so it comes naturally to them. But how much better can we be with him persevering down this road and carrying on drilling the philosophy into them at all costs? Buying some better players in positions, is that going to significantly prevent us conceding all these goals?
I mean he's never been in a league as strong as this before so it makes me wonder if, where this would work for him in crappy leagues, it's achievable in the PL to get us to actually be in the position to win things. We certainly started the season well enough but is that just cause teams hadn't figured us out yet?
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Spurtle, you could say the same for Fergie, Wenger and Mourhino Re the leagues they came from? Please, I'm not comparing him to them but his single mindiness could be a good thing with the right players and set up?
I question both my points as I don't know, no one can to be fair but giving him another season will be the make or break I'd assume
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Well Jose had won a CL before coming to the PL, Fergie had European success too. Ange by comparison is pretty entrenched in far weaker leagues all of his managerial career so far. Not saying he won't know to adapt or anything but it makes me wonder more so now that he has been under scrutiny with things he's said regarding defending.
Hoping that the early season wasn't just teams not figuring us out and it was also down to us having more belief and confidence and players playing much better. In which case we should be able to get to those levels of performance again.
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Oh I agree about the European success both hadno doubt they were destined for "bigger" things but the leagues were defo weaker than the EPL, I don't want a comparison with them if honest but do think Ange COULD take you forward, time will tell
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Yeah I look forward to next season...with trepidation. He will need to move quickly if he is to do anything with us. He couldn't afford to do an Arteta (minus the FA Cup) and finish outside the top 4 twice with no other success, cause he'll very likely lose his job. If he is destined for big things he's going to have to start showing signs next season.
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Yeh a cup win would help but as much as it depends on Ange taking the team forward the current players need to maximise their potential and just as importantly, perhaps even more so the board needs to find the funds to help, Arsenal certainly improved with Rice and a couple of others, not saying it needs massive spending but certainly enough to improve the squad/first team
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Arsenal is a strange one because everyone says they've improved, yet they're only going to get 5 more points than last season if they win all their remaining games. I guess they have improved a bit and Rice has been very good but ultimately they may end up trophyless again.
posted on 2/5/24
0.5 star
posted on 2/5/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
not another rant Spurtle
We could do with just laying off this for a bit
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Just a small one this time.
If we lose badly tonight you may be seeing a few more.
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posted on 2/5/24
He probably has yeah, but you’ve also had unrealistic expectations.
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