comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 minute ago
There are no pros
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I beg to differ. I listed two.
Pros:
We only have to watch this crap for 3 more games.
Bound to lose to City in this form
Richy looked decent but that’s because Liverpool completely dropped off. It’s not reflective of how he plays when he starts and the score is nil nil.
Your manager is a moron, tbh. Your defending the last few weeks and his comment about set-piece defending prep should earn him the sack.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
Pros:
We only have to watch this crap for 3 more games.
Bound to lose to City in this form
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Good point, that's another pro!
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 7 minutes ago
Your manager is a moron, tbh. Your defending the last few weeks and his comment about set-piece defending prep should earn him the sack.
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Nah he's great. Strap yourself in for our title charge next season.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 11 minutes ago
Your manager is a moron, tbh. Your defending the last few weeks and his comment about set-piece defending prep should earn him the sack.
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I unfortunately agree with this. I would also add playing an already bang average right back at Left back despite him having no left foot whatsoever.
The footballs been better but he is out of his depth at this level.
Worse still, apparently Richy is one of the players he wants to get rid of - why? Who we buying to replace him?
Why is there no balance between attack and defence?
Levy will be twitchy, I’m certain of that
If you sack the manager in the summer you've really got to ask as a club what do you want you've tried the so called elite managers now you've gone for the hipster choice this season and your probably about where you should be given the backing from the owners and standard of player you've got. Long term though unless there is a fundamental shift in their outlook and while it's been fun watching United and Chelsea implode that won't last forever you could find yourselves well outside that top group.
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 13 minutes ago
If you sack the manager in the summer you've really got to ask as a club what do you want you've tried the so called elite managers now you've gone for the hipster choice this season and your probably about where you should be given the backing from the owners and standard of player you've got. Long term though unless there is a fundamental shift in their outlook and while it's been fun watching United and Chelsea implode that won't last forever you could find yourselves well outside that top group.
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Only a complete idiot would sack him in the summer.
Which, for us.......is somewhat of a problem.
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 9 minutes ago
If you sack the manager in the summer you've really got to ask as a club what do you want you've tried the so called elite managers now you've gone for the hipster choice this season and your probably about where you should be given the backing from the owners and standard of player you've got. Long term though unless there is a fundamental shift in their outlook and while it's been fun watching United and Chelsea implode that won't last forever you could find yourselves well outside that top group.
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As a fan I want to see us trying to compete in all comps. I look at the Europa, the league cup and the FA cup as very winnable for Spurs - 14 of our 17 major trophies have come in these 3 comps, we’ve never been a league team really.
I think that’s the biggest disappointment. 5th will rarely be a bad finish, if we’ve given our all in competitions, made cup semi or done well in Europe. But we have had a 41 game season and we will (hopefully) limp over the line in terms of qualifying for Europe.
The ownership only care about money and that means qualifying for the CL. Redknapp, Poch and Conte have all achieved that here, they will just go for the next best man - Amorim maybe.
The problem as always for us in owners who put profit above glory. Owners who put finishing 4th above winning domestic trophies or “secondary” euro trophies.
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 13 minutes ago
If you sack the manager in the summer you've really got to ask as a club what do you want you've tried the so called elite managers now you've gone for the hipster choice this season and your probably about where you should be given the backing from the owners and standard of player you've got. Long term though unless there is a fundamental shift in their outlook and while it's been fun watching United and Chelsea implode that won't last forever you could find yourselves well outside that top group.
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Only a complete idiot would sack him in the summer.
Which, for us.......is somewhat of a problem.
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We shouldn’t sack him in the summer, but if we’re seeing the same thing at Xmas I guarantee he will be gone. Constantly conceding at set pieces, an all round inability to defend, no plan B and getting pumped at the likes of Fulham and Brighton.
He won’t stand a chance. The fact we won’t be in the CL will already have Levy twitchy
Tottenham Hotspur have had twelve different managers and seven caretakers since 2001 (the year ENIC became owners).
That means the average duration of anyone who manages the club is approximately two years.
Does anyone think this is the best way to build long term success? We have to understand that to build a winning team takes hard work, trust and patience.
I'm as disappointed as anyone with how we are currently playing but changing the manager again would be complete self sabotage. There is no easy route to get us where we want to be.
There are murmurings of sacking Ange on this forum. I say keep your negativity to yourself. It would achieve nothing long term. Support the club and coach and pray they make the right moves in the coming year.
comment by Islington Spur (U18857)
posted 9 minutes ago
Tottenham Hotspur have had twelve different managers and seven caretakers since 2001 (the year ENIC became owners).
That means the average duration of anyone who manages the club is approximately two years.
Does anyone think this is the best way to build long term success? We have to understand that to build a winning team takes hard work, trust and patience.
I'm as disappointed as anyone with how we are currently playing but changing the manager again would be complete self sabotage. There is no easy route to get us where we want to be.
There are murmurings of sacking Ange on this forum. I say keep your negativity to yourself. It would achieve nothing long term. Support the club and coach and pray they make the right moves in the coming year.
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I mean I guess on this forum people can say whatever they want in that regard, but I don't get the negativity at all.
We know how good we're capable of playing under Ange, we've seen it. I've enjoyed watching Spurs play this season way more than for the past several years, and we're going to finish in a 'reasonable' position.
Changing managers any time soon would be absolute madness.
Most of posters who want Ange out haven't got a clue who we need or who they want anyway. It's just 'Ange Out'
Agreed we can't keep swapping and changing managers but this this needs a full squad of players. Two decent players in every position. Time and time again this season as soon as one of the back line get injured it all goes to pot.
The midfield needs a new DM. Son and BJ are soft. They need competition. Kulu is square peg. Dunno where he fits in. Richy is too hot and cold or injured. Sell.
It probably take two or three more windows to sort everything out. And we have too much deadwood to shift as well.
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 37 minutes ago
Most of posters who want Ange out haven't got a clue who we need or who they want anyway. It's just 'Ange Out'
Agreed we can't keep swapping and changing managers but this this needs a full squad of players. Two decent players in every position. Time and time again this season as soon as one of the back line get injured it all goes to pot.
The midfield needs a new DM. Son and BJ are soft. They need competition. Kulu is square peg. Dunno where he fits in. Richy is too hot and cold or injured. Sell.
It probably take two or three more windows to sort everything out. And we have too much deadwood to shift as well.
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This
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 43 minutes ago
Southgate in
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Would be the worse case scenario imo
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 43 minutes ago
Southgate in
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Would be the worse case scenario imo
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You just know Levy would as well, the kind of clueless decision he is renowned for
2-3 more windows needed, as always
Starting over with a new manager just resets the clock and adds another 2 years
Just got to back the guy and hope
Yh we can’t get rid of ange but if this continues next season he has to go. At this point though where do we go? Won’t achieve anything by chopping and changing constantly, but also wont achieve anything if ange continues to be this stubborn. Long story short: won’t achieve anything 😂
Ange should be given at least another season in charge, remember he did warn us that it would be a bumpy ride in his first season.
How did Klopp do in his first season? Finished 8th and out of FA Cup in 4th round. So if we finish 5th or 6th we get Europa League, which if people are honest is more than we anticipated after losing Kane.
I do feel some Spurs supporters have feelings of entitlement in regard to trophies and the PL.
Arsenal fans in the not too distant past were calling for Arteta to be sacked, wind forward to now and he is the bees knees.
The moral of this is simple, give managers the time and support and the club is more likely to succeed
Even Ferguson was only 90 minutes away from the sack way back before United’s successes under him, the rest is history.
The added number of windows he gets should depend on how we're doing next season. Hopefully we do some good necessary business this summer and if he carries on where he left off in this season, then he'll need to go pretty sharpish. If we're hovering about in the top 6 and performing well in Europe up to Christmas, then he can get the Jan transfer window too.
Next season there has to be a definitive improvement in the cups. If we're not going to get top 4 again then perhaps we should expect Europa success?
richi's been great all season when played
no surprise there.
the MOTD pundits were calling Ange inflexible.
Where do they get that from???
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A game of pros and cons
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posted on 5/5/24
There are no pros
posted on 5/5/24
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 minute ago
There are no pros
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I beg to differ. I listed two.
posted on 5/5/24
Pros:
We only have to watch this crap for 3 more games.
Bound to lose to City in this form
posted on 5/5/24
Richy looked decent but that’s because Liverpool completely dropped off. It’s not reflective of how he plays when he starts and the score is nil nil.
posted on 5/5/24
Your manager is a moron, tbh. Your defending the last few weeks and his comment about set-piece defending prep should earn him the sack.
posted on 5/5/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
Pros:
We only have to watch this crap for 3 more games.
Bound to lose to City in this form
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Good point, that's another pro!
posted on 5/5/24
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 7 minutes ago
Your manager is a moron, tbh. Your defending the last few weeks and his comment about set-piece defending prep should earn him the sack.
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Nah he's great. Strap yourself in for our title charge next season.
posted on 5/5/24
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 11 minutes ago
Your manager is a moron, tbh. Your defending the last few weeks and his comment about set-piece defending prep should earn him the sack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I unfortunately agree with this. I would also add playing an already bang average right back at Left back despite him having no left foot whatsoever.
The footballs been better but he is out of his depth at this level.
Worse still, apparently Richy is one of the players he wants to get rid of - why? Who we buying to replace him?
Why is there no balance between attack and defence?
Levy will be twitchy, I’m certain of that
posted on 5/5/24
If you sack the manager in the summer you've really got to ask as a club what do you want you've tried the so called elite managers now you've gone for the hipster choice this season and your probably about where you should be given the backing from the owners and standard of player you've got. Long term though unless there is a fundamental shift in their outlook and while it's been fun watching United and Chelsea implode that won't last forever you could find yourselves well outside that top group.
posted on 5/5/24
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 13 minutes ago
If you sack the manager in the summer you've really got to ask as a club what do you want you've tried the so called elite managers now you've gone for the hipster choice this season and your probably about where you should be given the backing from the owners and standard of player you've got. Long term though unless there is a fundamental shift in their outlook and while it's been fun watching United and Chelsea implode that won't last forever you could find yourselves well outside that top group.
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Only a complete idiot would sack him in the summer.
Which, for us.......is somewhat of a problem.
posted on 5/5/24
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 9 minutes ago
If you sack the manager in the summer you've really got to ask as a club what do you want you've tried the so called elite managers now you've gone for the hipster choice this season and your probably about where you should be given the backing from the owners and standard of player you've got. Long term though unless there is a fundamental shift in their outlook and while it's been fun watching United and Chelsea implode that won't last forever you could find yourselves well outside that top group.
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As a fan I want to see us trying to compete in all comps. I look at the Europa, the league cup and the FA cup as very winnable for Spurs - 14 of our 17 major trophies have come in these 3 comps, we’ve never been a league team really.
I think that’s the biggest disappointment. 5th will rarely be a bad finish, if we’ve given our all in competitions, made cup semi or done well in Europe. But we have had a 41 game season and we will (hopefully) limp over the line in terms of qualifying for Europe.
The ownership only care about money and that means qualifying for the CL. Redknapp, Poch and Conte have all achieved that here, they will just go for the next best man - Amorim maybe.
The problem as always for us in owners who put profit above glory. Owners who put finishing 4th above winning domestic trophies or “secondary” euro trophies.
posted on 5/5/24
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 13 minutes ago
If you sack the manager in the summer you've really got to ask as a club what do you want you've tried the so called elite managers now you've gone for the hipster choice this season and your probably about where you should be given the backing from the owners and standard of player you've got. Long term though unless there is a fundamental shift in their outlook and while it's been fun watching United and Chelsea implode that won't last forever you could find yourselves well outside that top group.
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Only a complete idiot would sack him in the summer.
Which, for us.......is somewhat of a problem.
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We shouldn’t sack him in the summer, but if we’re seeing the same thing at Xmas I guarantee he will be gone. Constantly conceding at set pieces, an all round inability to defend, no plan B and getting pumped at the likes of Fulham and Brighton.
He won’t stand a chance. The fact we won’t be in the CL will already have Levy twitchy
posted on 5/5/24
Tottenham Hotspur have had twelve different managers and seven caretakers since 2001 (the year ENIC became owners).
That means the average duration of anyone who manages the club is approximately two years.
Does anyone think this is the best way to build long term success? We have to understand that to build a winning team takes hard work, trust and patience.
I'm as disappointed as anyone with how we are currently playing but changing the manager again would be complete self sabotage. There is no easy route to get us where we want to be.
There are murmurings of sacking Ange on this forum. I say keep your negativity to yourself. It would achieve nothing long term. Support the club and coach and pray they make the right moves in the coming year.
posted on 5/5/24
comment by Islington Spur (U18857)
posted 9 minutes ago
Tottenham Hotspur have had twelve different managers and seven caretakers since 2001 (the year ENIC became owners).
That means the average duration of anyone who manages the club is approximately two years.
Does anyone think this is the best way to build long term success? We have to understand that to build a winning team takes hard work, trust and patience.
I'm as disappointed as anyone with how we are currently playing but changing the manager again would be complete self sabotage. There is no easy route to get us where we want to be.
There are murmurings of sacking Ange on this forum. I say keep your negativity to yourself. It would achieve nothing long term. Support the club and coach and pray they make the right moves in the coming year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I mean I guess on this forum people can say whatever they want in that regard, but I don't get the negativity at all.
We know how good we're capable of playing under Ange, we've seen it. I've enjoyed watching Spurs play this season way more than for the past several years, and we're going to finish in a 'reasonable' position.
Changing managers any time soon would be absolute madness.
posted on 5/5/24
Most of posters who want Ange out haven't got a clue who we need or who they want anyway. It's just 'Ange Out'
Agreed we can't keep swapping and changing managers but this this needs a full squad of players. Two decent players in every position. Time and time again this season as soon as one of the back line get injured it all goes to pot.
The midfield needs a new DM. Son and BJ are soft. They need competition. Kulu is square peg. Dunno where he fits in. Richy is too hot and cold or injured. Sell.
It probably take two or three more windows to sort everything out. And we have too much deadwood to shift as well.
posted on 5/5/24
Southgate in
posted on 5/5/24
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 37 minutes ago
Most of posters who want Ange out haven't got a clue who we need or who they want anyway. It's just 'Ange Out'
Agreed we can't keep swapping and changing managers but this this needs a full squad of players. Two decent players in every position. Time and time again this season as soon as one of the back line get injured it all goes to pot.
The midfield needs a new DM. Son and BJ are soft. They need competition. Kulu is square peg. Dunno where he fits in. Richy is too hot and cold or injured. Sell.
It probably take two or three more windows to sort everything out. And we have too much deadwood to shift as well.
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This
posted on 5/5/24
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 43 minutes ago
Southgate in
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Would be the worse case scenario imo
posted on 5/5/24
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 43 minutes ago
Southgate in
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Would be the worse case scenario imo
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You just know Levy would as well, the kind of clueless decision he is renowned for
posted on 5/5/24
2-3 more windows needed, as always
Starting over with a new manager just resets the clock and adds another 2 years
Just got to back the guy and hope
posted on 5/5/24
Yh we can’t get rid of ange but if this continues next season he has to go. At this point though where do we go? Won’t achieve anything by chopping and changing constantly, but also wont achieve anything if ange continues to be this stubborn. Long story short: won’t achieve anything 😂
posted on 5/5/24
Ange should be given at least another season in charge, remember he did warn us that it would be a bumpy ride in his first season.
How did Klopp do in his first season? Finished 8th and out of FA Cup in 4th round. So if we finish 5th or 6th we get Europa League, which if people are honest is more than we anticipated after losing Kane.
I do feel some Spurs supporters have feelings of entitlement in regard to trophies and the PL.
Arsenal fans in the not too distant past were calling for Arteta to be sacked, wind forward to now and he is the bees knees.
The moral of this is simple, give managers the time and support and the club is more likely to succeed
Even Ferguson was only 90 minutes away from the sack way back before United’s successes under him, the rest is history.
posted on 5/5/24
The added number of windows he gets should depend on how we're doing next season. Hopefully we do some good necessary business this summer and if he carries on where he left off in this season, then he'll need to go pretty sharpish. If we're hovering about in the top 6 and performing well in Europe up to Christmas, then he can get the Jan transfer window too.
Next season there has to be a definitive improvement in the cups. If we're not going to get top 4 again then perhaps we should expect Europa success?
posted on 5/5/24
richi's been great all season when played
no surprise there.
posted on 5/5/24
the MOTD pundits were calling Ange inflexible.
Where do they get that from???
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