Agree with Rob's first paragraph there
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
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Red Russian really deserves a better platform than this one here. Really impressive stuff from him. Shame more people aren't as well informed.
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Agreed. He's one of the best posters on here. Could you ask him to unfilter me by the way? Thanks.
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Red Russian really deserves a better platform than this one here. Really impressive stuff from him. Shame more people aren't as well informed.
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Agreed. He's one of the best posters on here. Could you ask him to unfilter me by the way? Thanks.
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I too rate RR. But everyone is entitled to an opinion, and being literate doesn't make right every time. More ofte perhaps but not every time.
I always read RR, and sometimes he changes my opinion, sometimes not.
Speaking of McDonnell, my mate has the same name and did the odd bit of freelance work for The Guardian. He kept getting paid the other McDonnell’s cheques for his Guardian articles.
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The Tories are no where near the centre ground. Hence why the opinion polls look so bleak for them. Labour probably are hence why it looks so good for them.
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Rachel Reeves policies for housing are to use state funds for deposits and relax affordability criteria.
This sounds a lot like every other chancellor over the past 2 decades that's been firmly of the wealthy and used state funding to inflate the property bubble doesn't it? How can you defend this as centre ground?
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 minutes ago
Speaking of McDonnell, my mate has the same name and did the odd bit of freelance work for The Guardian. He kept getting paid the other McDonnell’s cheques for his Guardian articles.
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He should approve of the redistribution of wealth
John McDonnell is a grate man, I wish he was still our shadow chancellor instead of the walking Tory robot that is Rachel Reeves
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 9 hours, 10 minutes ago
I doubt he's going to unleash a left wing utopia but I also think he's almost certainly going to improve things.
Renationalisation of rail and creating GB energy are two things that alone will help thousands of people.
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As someone who has worked in the energy industry for 20 years, I can tell you the creation of GB Energy isn’t going to help anyone unless you reform the entire UK wholesale energy market. GB Energy is a political gimmick and Labour know it
Socialism
Where has that ever worked out
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 4 minutes ago
Socialism
Where has that ever worked out
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Eh?
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 4 minutes ago
Socialism
Where has that ever worked out
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It’s referenced in the OP saaaan
Shame more people aren't as well informed.
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Amen, to that
If I lived in England, I would be really disillusioned about who to vote for. It 110% would not be Tory, however, I have no clue what Labour/Lib Dem actually stand for from a policy perspective.
I agree with RR's post with his reasoning why Starmer is not giving anything away. However, he has to give the electorate something tangible to get behind, other than something about non-doms, which although worth doing, will raise little capital. I don't see a coherent policy agenda.
Regarding Brexit, I believe if we had another vote, Remain would win comfortably. Labour will be very hesitant to get behind another vote for two key reasons 1. The right wing media landscape and a rehash of 2019 as mentioned previously, and 2. If they allowed another vote on Brexit, but not Indyref2, they can say goodbye to Scottish voters.
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 22 seconds ago
If I lived in England, I would be really disillusioned about who to vote for. It 110% would not be Tory, however, I have no clue what Labour/Lib Dem actually stand for from a policy perspective.
I agree with RR's post with his reasoning why Starmer is not giving anything away. However, he has to give the electorate something tangible to get behind, other than something about non-doms, which although worth doing, will raise little capital. I don't see a coherent policy agenda.
Regarding Brexit, I believe if we had another vote, Remain would win comfortably. Labour will be very hesitant to get behind another vote for two key reasons 1. The right wing media landscape and a rehash of 2019 as mentioned previously, and 2. If they allowed another vote on Brexit, but not Indyref2, they can say goodbye to Scottish voters.
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if you want to know what Labour stands for, find out.
Mainstream UK news media and newspapers aren.t going to help you. (Apart from James OBrien on LBC).
He is a Tory who has no real interest in changing the country for ordinary people, he’ll just maintain the status quo for the establishment. I think he’ll struggle once in power, people will expect meaningful change, which he won’t deliver, and people will become dissatisfied quickly. Which could usher in a much more right wing government in 5 years. He is at best David Cameron/ Osborne style, and is probably more to the right in certain aspects. Don’t vote Labour or Tory, vote green or independent if you want to see more progressives. They obviously won’t get in, but it will put labour under pressure, which we saw in the locals
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 minute ago
He is a Tory who has no real interest in changing the country for ordinary people, he’ll just maintain the status quo for the establishment. I think he’ll struggle once in power, people will expect meaningful change, which he won’t deliver, and people will become dissatisfied quickly. Which could usher in a much more right wing government in 5 years. He is at best David Cameron/ Osborne style, and is probably more to the right in certain aspects. Don’t vote Labour or Tory, vote green or independent if you want to see more progressives. They obviously won’t get in, but it will put labour under pressure, which we saw in the locals
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With the first past the post system, voting green / indep will do nothing in a general election.
Until we are a bit more grown-up about our voting system and overall approach to politics, things won't really change regardless of who is in charge
until people stop using excuses like the above to vote for these two sh1tty mainstream parties they will carry on wrecking the country and getting away with it
green is the only decent left wing choice
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 20 minutes ago
until people stop using excuses like the above to vote for these two sh1tty mainstream parties they will carry on wrecking the country and getting away with it
green is the only decent left wing choice
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Do they even have any policies on a national level?
Why don't you go to their website. They've got the clearest communication as to what they're all about. Labour is always blabbing on about the Tories in every section.
Yes they do have national policies like privatisation of the railways etc. but they want to create more local community based solutions to problems also.
Really it comes down to whether the party connects with you and shares the same principles.
And they're also for proportional representation so to state they'll do nothing in a first past the post system as a reason not to vote for them is a good reason to vote for them.
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posted on 9/5/24
Agree with Rob's first paragraph there
posted on 9/5/24
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Red Russian really deserves a better platform than this one here. Really impressive stuff from him. Shame more people aren't as well informed.
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Agreed. He's one of the best posters on here. Could you ask him to unfilter me by the way? Thanks.
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posted on 9/5/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Red Russian really deserves a better platform than this one here. Really impressive stuff from him. Shame more people aren't as well informed.
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Agreed. He's one of the best posters on here. Could you ask him to unfilter me by the way? Thanks.
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🙏
posted on 9/5/24
I too rate RR. But everyone is entitled to an opinion, and being literate doesn't make right every time. More ofte perhaps but not every time.
I always read RR, and sometimes he changes my opinion, sometimes not.
posted on 9/5/24
Speaking of McDonnell, my mate has the same name and did the odd bit of freelance work for The Guardian. He kept getting paid the other McDonnell’s cheques for his Guardian articles.
posted on 9/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
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The Tories are no where near the centre ground. Hence why the opinion polls look so bleak for them. Labour probably are hence why it looks so good for them.
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Rachel Reeves policies for housing are to use state funds for deposits and relax affordability criteria.
This sounds a lot like every other chancellor over the past 2 decades that's been firmly of the wealthy and used state funding to inflate the property bubble doesn't it? How can you defend this as centre ground?
posted on 9/5/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 minutes ago
Speaking of McDonnell, my mate has the same name and did the odd bit of freelance work for The Guardian. He kept getting paid the other McDonnell’s cheques for his Guardian articles.
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He should approve of the redistribution of wealth
posted on 9/5/24
John McDonnell is a grate man, I wish he was still our shadow chancellor instead of the walking Tory robot that is Rachel Reeves
posted on 9/5/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 9 hours, 10 minutes ago
I doubt he's going to unleash a left wing utopia but I also think he's almost certainly going to improve things.
Renationalisation of rail and creating GB energy are two things that alone will help thousands of people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As someone who has worked in the energy industry for 20 years, I can tell you the creation of GB Energy isn’t going to help anyone unless you reform the entire UK wholesale energy market. GB Energy is a political gimmick and Labour know it
posted on 9/5/24
Socialism
Where has that ever worked out
posted on 9/5/24
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 4 minutes ago
Socialism
Where has that ever worked out
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Eh?
posted on 9/5/24
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 4 minutes ago
Socialism
Where has that ever worked out
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Eh?
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It’s referenced in the OP saaaan
posted on 9/5/24
Shame more people aren't as well informed.
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Amen, to that
posted on 9/5/24
If I lived in England, I would be really disillusioned about who to vote for. It 110% would not be Tory, however, I have no clue what Labour/Lib Dem actually stand for from a policy perspective.
I agree with RR's post with his reasoning why Starmer is not giving anything away. However, he has to give the electorate something tangible to get behind, other than something about non-doms, which although worth doing, will raise little capital. I don't see a coherent policy agenda.
Regarding Brexit, I believe if we had another vote, Remain would win comfortably. Labour will be very hesitant to get behind another vote for two key reasons 1. The right wing media landscape and a rehash of 2019 as mentioned previously, and 2. If they allowed another vote on Brexit, but not Indyref2, they can say goodbye to Scottish voters.
posted on 9/5/24
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 22 seconds ago
If I lived in England, I would be really disillusioned about who to vote for. It 110% would not be Tory, however, I have no clue what Labour/Lib Dem actually stand for from a policy perspective.
I agree with RR's post with his reasoning why Starmer is not giving anything away. However, he has to give the electorate something tangible to get behind, other than something about non-doms, which although worth doing, will raise little capital. I don't see a coherent policy agenda.
Regarding Brexit, I believe if we had another vote, Remain would win comfortably. Labour will be very hesitant to get behind another vote for two key reasons 1. The right wing media landscape and a rehash of 2019 as mentioned previously, and 2. If they allowed another vote on Brexit, but not Indyref2, they can say goodbye to Scottish voters.
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if you want to know what Labour stands for, find out.
Mainstream UK news media and newspapers aren.t going to help you. (Apart from James OBrien on LBC).
posted on 10/5/24
He is a Tory who has no real interest in changing the country for ordinary people, he’ll just maintain the status quo for the establishment. I think he’ll struggle once in power, people will expect meaningful change, which he won’t deliver, and people will become dissatisfied quickly. Which could usher in a much more right wing government in 5 years. He is at best David Cameron/ Osborne style, and is probably more to the right in certain aspects. Don’t vote Labour or Tory, vote green or independent if you want to see more progressives. They obviously won’t get in, but it will put labour under pressure, which we saw in the locals
posted on 10/5/24
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 minute ago
He is a Tory who has no real interest in changing the country for ordinary people, he’ll just maintain the status quo for the establishment. I think he’ll struggle once in power, people will expect meaningful change, which he won’t deliver, and people will become dissatisfied quickly. Which could usher in a much more right wing government in 5 years. He is at best David Cameron/ Osborne style, and is probably more to the right in certain aspects. Don’t vote Labour or Tory, vote green or independent if you want to see more progressives. They obviously won’t get in, but it will put labour under pressure, which we saw in the locals
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With the first past the post system, voting green / indep will do nothing in a general election.
Until we are a bit more grown-up about our voting system and overall approach to politics, things won't really change regardless of who is in charge
posted on 11/5/24
until people stop using excuses like the above to vote for these two sh1tty mainstream parties they will carry on wrecking the country and getting away with it
green is the only decent left wing choice
posted on 11/5/24
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 20 minutes ago
until people stop using excuses like the above to vote for these two sh1tty mainstream parties they will carry on wrecking the country and getting away with it
green is the only decent left wing choice
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Do they even have any policies on a national level?
posted on 11/5/24
Why don't you go to their website. They've got the clearest communication as to what they're all about. Labour is always blabbing on about the Tories in every section.
Yes they do have national policies like privatisation of the railways etc. but they want to create more local community based solutions to problems also.
Really it comes down to whether the party connects with you and shares the same principles.
posted on 11/5/24
And they're also for proportional representation so to state they'll do nothing in a first past the post system as a reason not to vote for them is a good reason to vote for them.
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