I'm probably all for scraping at this stage.
Too much inconsistency on when they go to check things, what level of details they do, and how its officiated.

Lastnight chelsea had a pen shout rightly turned down, so should have been a corner. Brighton got a drop ball.

Also got flagged for offside once the ball went out of play, incorrectly, which led to a corner, again Brighton got a drop ball.

So not sure how when corners should be given its a drop ball to the other team.

Lamptey knocked out mudryk and they didn't have enough conclusive evidence...

It's just a joke how it's run.

1. Semi automated off sides

2. contact inside or outside of the box

3. Goal line technology

leave the rest to the on-field officials.

If it all stays:

1. Mic up the refs so the discussion between on and off field can be heard.

2. Make the decision more of a discussion, rather than this high bar/clear and obvious rubbsih. SO if the ref says "I think he got the ball " of "i saw contact but not enough IMO" and VAR can say "you may want to take a look at that...rather than the situation where VAR is 'guessing' why a decision wasnt given and then having to determine whether its clear and obvious enough overrule him. Its crap that they get sent to the screen and always change their decision, hence the decision is being made remotely. If they consult each other, discuss it, its all heard, then we can all get on board with the reasoning, even if you dont like the reasoning. (Basically, use in the same way as Rugby U)

3. Give the ref the power to refer himself to the screen if he is not sure / had a bad view etc

automate office, get rid of the rest, reduces the amount of people involved who could be corrupt to 1 instead of 4/5

I'm for getting rid unless they can work out a way of using it properly. It's too inconsistent currently and you the same incidents viewed and ruled differently from game to game at times.

Offside part is good but we have to get away from this offside by mm's or a toenail business.

Also the flag should go straight up if offside is clear not this waiting for next phase or pass.

I was listening to talk sport this morning and they had a ref on (cant remember his name) basically saying its the way we are using VAR in the prem thats the issue and the VAR staff. He went as far as saying they don't have the same issues in Europe and there the refs decision is final. Food for thought I think.

Automated offsides are worth at least a trial

The technology is not the problem...it's the daft officials using it.

This is only really going to work if we end up with completely automated offsides. Until then, the delays and paused celebrations will continue. The offside part of VAR accounts for probably 90% of the frustration at not being able to celebrate a goal. The rest are penalties, handballs etc. If we accept that the offside part of VAR is completely objective and black and white, then we have to make a decision - do we want accuracy or speed of decision? If we want accuracy, we have to accept delays and muted celebrations. When the technology is there to deliver automated offside decisions at the same speed a linesman could, then thankfully we're back to instant decision making. The fans and players could be told instantly on the big screen. Until then, we have to accept it's flaws.

I don't know how we go back really. All it takes is one absolute howler by the referee and everyone would be screaming for VAR again.

In terms of the technology not being the problem.
I only realised this recently, but they are freezing the frame at the moment where they THINK the ball has left the boot.
There's an element of guesswork.
So for that reason alone, for me the ones where they are drawing the lines, checking millimeters etc are rubbish.

Also, I don't think off-side was ever designed to be for millimeters of an elbow being in front of a foot etc. It was designed to stop an attacker standing behind the defenders.

The Cov City one for example was ridiculous imo. Just as an example.

I think most like me will be making the decision with our hearts and not head.

Heart does say no no no get rid of it all together and quick,

When you pause and think about it for a bit.......

Head says we need it but it does need a lot of work especially in the VAR hub where they decide what's clear and obvious. Currently it does show none of them have actually played football to any level else some of the calls would differ. The ref needs to have the final decision too else the current nonsense will continue.

Automated offside is fine.

I’d 100% bin the clear and obvious bollox though. Just let the ref have an option to review something if they want. Done.

Clear and obvious is a lot less subjective for offsides than for fouls.

Just say, can you say definitely 100% (without the use of lines) was it was offside.

VAR should stay as automated.

As others have said we need to hear what the ref and monitor ref are saying, at the ground and on TV.

I'm all for tweaking the off-side rule to favour the attacking team, maybe line between last defender and attacker drawn but only if we keep VAR.

The main thing is the communication though, we are left out of the loop so not involved, that has to change.

I also think Lineker had the right idea about this - give teams one VAR call per half and it's up to them when they use it. That way we're limiting it's use and putting it in the hands of the teams playing. That then takes the pressure off the officials and onto the clubs.

semi-automated offsides seem like a bit of a no brainer.

id prefer to get rid of the rest entirely rather than keeping as is but I do feel like if we get rid then a few months down the road a ref is gonna miss something absolutely blatant and we're gonna all be thinking "why can't someone just tell him"

would think about a challenge system maybe , can send the ref to the monitor once a half. if you get it right you can keep your challenge. It has to be the referee making that call though, rather than a VAR telling him what decision to make. VAR has completely warped the power dynamic, we basically have two refs now.

so yeah I would say there's maybe still a way forward for replay review in football

but the position of video assistant referee has to be abolished, you can't have someone who effectively has more authority than the ref

I don't think the motion will pass though. Liverpool have already come out and said they don't want to get rid of it, and they've been wronged in the worst possible way by the system.

The problem is that there's too much money riding on it. The clubs aren't worried about fan enjoyment. They just want accuracy.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
I also think Lineker had the right idea about this - give teams one VAR call per half and it's up to them when they use it. That way we're limiting it's use and putting it in the hands of the teams playing. That then takes the pressure off the officials and onto the clubs.
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interesting idea

comment by BillNick (U23088)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
I also think Lineker had the right idea about this - give teams one VAR call per half and it's up to them when they use it. That way we're limiting it's use and putting it in the hands of the teams playing. That then takes the pressure off the officials and onto the clubs.
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interesting idea
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If they're found to be abusing that privilege by asking for a review to see out injury time then the officials can make a judgement on that. If they do that, I'd say that an extra 3-5 minutes is added on at the end as punishment for unsporting behaviour.

referees are also far too powerful. can effectively award as close to a guaranteed goal in football as you get with penalties, and can completely kill matches as contests and spectacles by sending a side down to 10 men.

we're never gonna be happy with the officiating for as long as their inevitable mistakes have the power to swing results. the goal should be to minimise their impact on games.

I’m just sick of the refs being the story of the match. They’ve been shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit all season and if anything I’d review PGMOLs contract.

It’s a closed shop and it shows.

Yesterday, Newcastle were denied a clear penalty. What is VAR for, if not for that? In the Chelsea game, it quite rightly corrected a penalty decision and identified that James had lashed out. However, there were two or three obvious decisions that went against Chelsea, including a clear red card for Lamptey. VAR should do what it says on the tin - or be scrapped.

Are there no other options OP?

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
I also think Lineker had the right idea about this - give teams one VAR call per half and it's up to them when they use it. That way we're limiting it's use and putting it in the hands of the teams playing. That then takes the pressure off the officials and onto the clubs.
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I think it is an awful idea. Who gets to make the appeal? How long do they get? It's not like cricket where the ball is dead after each ball and you get the time to converse and make a call. How does the appeal system change the standards of refs and VARs? You will see teams lose an appeal when it looks a good shout and then miss out due to an obvious error.

I'd appoint an independent panel to perform an in-depth investigation into the decisions made, including the use of high-powered AI to perform analyses, comparisons and general number-crunching, to see how much the claims of impartiality stand up.

The panel should be comprised of non-experts who after an exhaustive period of study of the rules and laws of the game and footage of their application in other settings. Ideally the should be from non-footballing nations such as the US, Australia, the Salomon Islands and Scotland.

1 star from me.

Just keep goal line technology and let the officials officiate!