I don’t disagree with the Maguire departure but I’d sooner see him stay than Maguire.
I don’t disagree with the Varane departure but I’d sooner see him stay than Maguire.
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You can't expect to be taken seriously with comments like this.
Surely you keep Martinez, sell HMG and Let Varane go. would expect United to be looking to buy 2 CBs this summer
Process- you are having a mare here mate
How much has it been exaggerated though?
I don't see many people thinking he is a solution to our CB issues, but more of a handy back up to Martinez and a new CB.
He had a good spell when we needed him and doesn't seem to mind being in rotation or kick up a fuss about losing the arm band.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t disagree with the Varane departure but I’d sooner see him stay than Maguire.
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You can't expect to be taken seriously with comments like this.
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Ah the typical VC we have all come to accept in all his glory.....
Why is that? Because he has a different opinion to the one you have? You do have a very high opinion of yourself don't you?
As it happens Im with you on this one. I think due to his wages and injuries it's time to move him on. I certainly wouldn't belittle someone on here for wanting him to stay over Maguire though as he's a much better player when fit.
It's a game of opinions. 👍
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
I don’t disagree with the Varane departure but I’d sooner see him stay than Maguire.
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You can't expect to be taken seriously with comments like this.
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Varane is younger, better and they’ve actually played similar minutes this season. Not sure what the issue with my view is.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
Process- you are having a mare here mate
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How exactly?
World class defender, which he will prove at the Euros.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
I don’t disagree with the Varane departure but I’d sooner see him stay than Maguire.
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You can't expect to be taken seriously with comments like this.
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Varane is younger, better and they’ve actually played similar minutes this season. Not sure what the issue with my view is.
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There wasn't one. You're allowed an opinion mate. Something a lot of people on this forum don't realise. And you're right he's a much better CB than Harry is.
I actually disagree with you just because of his wages and injuries combined but your statement really isn't that controversial. I imagine many fans would prefer he stayed one more year and we sold Maguire.
What Maguire does offer is the fact he actally gives a sheet, unlike most of the squad.
We do need one senior CB to fill in. Adarabioyo is on a free, he'd be a good option imo.
I'd love Branthwaite, but he's another left footer, and he'd cost a fortune.
Todibo seems an obvious choice, given INEOS own Nice.
Guehi looks a good player and could partner well with Martinez, but he'd cost a fortune.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
Process- you are having a mare here mate
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How exactly?
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You allude to Maguire being a sick note. Varane is a sick note, on ridiculously high wages, and I believe he has missed circa 30% of games since his time with us.
I Apologies having a mare maybe a tad too strong but, I don't follow your thinking here.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 53 seconds ago
What Maguire does offer is the fact he actally gives a sheet, unlike most of the squad.
We do need one senior CB to fill in. Adarabioyo is on a free, he'd be a good option imo.
I'd love Branthwaite, but he's another left footer, and he'd cost a fortune.
Todibo seems an obvious choice, given INEOS own Nice.
Guehi looks a good player and could partner well with Martinez, but he'd cost a fortune.
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Varane without a question does give a shiiiit. He is just broken. Body can't do it anymore.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 53 seconds ago
What Maguire does offer is the fact he actally gives a sheet, unlike most of the squad.
We do need one senior CB to fill in. Adarabioyo is on a free, he'd be a good option imo.
I'd love Branthwaite, but he's another left footer, and he'd cost a fortune.
Todibo seems an obvious choice, given INEOS own Nice.
Guehi looks a good player and could partner well with Martinez, but he'd cost a fortune.
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Varane without a question does give a shiiiit. He is just broken. Body can't do it anymore.
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Totally agree, plus his wages he had to go.
Whether Maguire does depends if we can sell him, but I wouldn't be upset if we go into next season having sold and replaced Verane + Lindelof.
If the redemption arc has been exaggerated, it's nothing compared with the scapegoating of Maguire, which reached a peak of sustained hysterical bile, for the side's deficiencies. He has never been an elite player, and has vulnerabilities when isolated against pacy attackers. But he has some excellent attributes as a defender and is better than many (including Varane, as it happens) when it comes to passing out from the back and stepping forward with the ball. In an ideal world we wouldn't have a player on his wages as a second choice CB, but I for one am very pleased for him that he has come back to his regular level after what seemed like a fatal crisis in confidence fed by the chaos of the club and the spitefulness of the discourse.
Maguire is limited, but still a decent defender for me. He's not normally that injury prone. I think he is a good pro to have around the squad. Varane seems to have entered that niggly injury stage so a little less reliable. Not sure if Martinez has been unlucky or is injury prone, just need to see next season. I can see us bringing in one new CB, be shocked if it's 2, given other areas require recruitment.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
If the redemption arc has been exaggerated, it's nothing compared with the scapegoating of Maguire, which reached a peak of sustained hysterical bile, for the side's deficiencies. He has never been an elite player, and has vulnerabilities when isolated against pacy attackers. But he has some excellent attributes as a defender and is better than many (including Varane, as it happens) when it comes to passing out from the back and stepping forward with the ball. In an ideal world we wouldn't have a player on his wages as a second choice CB, but I for one am very pleased for him that he has come back to his regular level after what seemed like a fatal crisis in confidence fed by the chaos of the club and the spitefulness of the discourse.
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Agree, when it's back to the wall defending Maguire is very good too. Haaland actually said he's the hardest defender to have played against.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 seconds ago
Maguire is limited, but still a decent defender for me. He's not normally that injury prone. I think he is a good pro to have around the squad. Varane seems to have entered that niggly injury stage so a little less reliable. Not sure if Martinez has been unlucky or is injury prone, just need to see next season. I can see us bringing in one new CB, be shocked if it's 2, given other areas require recruitment.
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If we lose Evans, Verane and (hopefully) Lindelof, we really have to sign two. That's why Adarabioyo is a great option imo.
Varane is younger, better and they’ve actually played similar minutes this season. Not sure what the issue with my view is.
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Well, let me break it down for you.
Firstly, I will start by saying Varane is the better defender by a long way.
Now onto the rest.
Varane and Maguire are the same age. 31. So unless you are going to play the Varane is younger by a month and a bit card, we can put that one to bed.
Maguires fitness record compared to Varane's during his time at the club is better. The problem I see with Varane, on this, is that he seldom puts in a good run of consecutive games. Which is not good if you want to have a consistent defence. I don't know the answer to this but it seems to me that Varane has never played half a dozen games on the trot.
Commitment. I think it is obvious to most that Maguire is much more committed to playing for the club than Varane is. Varane even came out and said he was wary of heading the ball.
Varane is at the end of his contract. General consensus on here is that we should not be renewing contracts for injury prone players and I agree with that.
Now, it is my view that Maguire should be nothing more than a back up to two better CB's.
Magiure's redemption hasn't been exaggerated as far as I can see, either. He has done a pretty solid job when called upon without as many eff ups as he did last season. He has arguably been our best defender this season. Dalot would probably shade him but Dalot has just as many brain farts as Maguire does.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 seconds ago
Maguire is limited, but still a decent defender for me. He's not normally that injury prone. I think he is a good pro to have around the squad. Varane seems to have entered that niggly injury stage so a little less reliable. Not sure if Martinez has been unlucky or is injury prone, just need to see next season. I can see us bringing in one new CB, be shocked if it's 2, given other areas require recruitment.
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If we lose Evans, Verane and (hopefully) Lindelof, we really have to sign two. That's why Adarabioyo is a great option imo.
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I guess the challenge will be finding someone who is good enough while also willing to come to the club seen as a second choice. With Adarabioyo that might be a harder sell given he's not a youngster.
Maguire should be a bench option at best. But we have to get rid of other defenders before Maguire so we're stuck with him.
Varane
Lindelof
Evans
Need to go first, United have done the right thing letting Varane go so far
Next needs to be another of the above defenders and Martial. Martial needs to be rushed out, just get rid of him for nothing of we have to
I kind of agree, the stick he got was over the top but while he has improved he hasn't been particularly good either.
It's not his fault he cost us so much or that we gave him such high wages but he still isn't good enough for the club or the right fit.
His lack of pace which causes him to sit deeper than EtH would probably like does have an impact on the space in front which gives opponents more room to attack us. Of course it's not all slabheads fault and you can't fault his effort but he just isn't good enough (and never has been) and not a single club would be stupid to have such a highy paid defender sitting on the bench.
I've said it numerous times already but I really do think the loss of Martinez this season has been huge.
comment by House (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
Maguire should be a bench option at best. But we have to get rid of other defenders before Maguire so we're stuck with him.
Varane
Lindelof
Evans
Need to go first, United have done the right thing letting Varane go so far
Next needs to be another of the above defenders and Martial. Martial needs to be rushed out, just get rid of him for nothing of we have to
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Martial needs to be rushed out, just get rid of him for nothing of we have to
Are you alright? He waved goodbye yesterday
His lack of pace which causes him to sit deeper than EtH would probably like does have an impact on the space in front which gives opponents more room to attack us.
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Our issue for a while, IMO, has been having too many players with deficiencies that magnify each others. E.g. Varane not being gifted on the ball wouldn't matter if the rest of the defence and DMs were adept at playing out from the back. And Maguire's lack of pace wouldn't on its own prevent us from playing a high line (e.g. Hummels was never blessed with pace but has played in plenty of teams that push up) if not for other issues.
My point is only that I don't think he's an Achilles Heal for the team if he remains as a back-up player, while there are qualities we could do with upgrading. The question becomes one prioritising upgrades based on our limited resources.
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posted on 16/5/24
I don’t disagree with the Maguire departure but I’d sooner see him stay than Maguire.
posted on 16/5/24
I don’t disagree with the Varane departure but I’d sooner see him stay than Maguire.
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You can't expect to be taken seriously with comments like this.
posted on 16/5/24
Surely you keep Martinez, sell HMG and Let Varane go. would expect United to be looking to buy 2 CBs this summer
posted on 16/5/24
Process- you are having a mare here mate
posted on 16/5/24
How much has it been exaggerated though?
I don't see many people thinking he is a solution to our CB issues, but more of a handy back up to Martinez and a new CB.
He had a good spell when we needed him and doesn't seem to mind being in rotation or kick up a fuss about losing the arm band.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t disagree with the Varane departure but I’d sooner see him stay than Maguire.
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You can't expect to be taken seriously with comments like this.
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Ah the typical VC we have all come to accept in all his glory.....
Why is that? Because he has a different opinion to the one you have? You do have a very high opinion of yourself don't you?
As it happens Im with you on this one. I think due to his wages and injuries it's time to move him on. I certainly wouldn't belittle someone on here for wanting him to stay over Maguire though as he's a much better player when fit.
It's a game of opinions. 👍
posted on 16/5/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
I don’t disagree with the Varane departure but I’d sooner see him stay than Maguire.
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You can't expect to be taken seriously with comments like this.
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Varane is younger, better and they’ve actually played similar minutes this season. Not sure what the issue with my view is.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
Process- you are having a mare here mate
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How exactly?
posted on 16/5/24
World class defender, which he will prove at the Euros.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
I don’t disagree with the Varane departure but I’d sooner see him stay than Maguire.
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You can't expect to be taken seriously with comments like this.
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Varane is younger, better and they’ve actually played similar minutes this season. Not sure what the issue with my view is.
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There wasn't one. You're allowed an opinion mate. Something a lot of people on this forum don't realise. And you're right he's a much better CB than Harry is.
I actually disagree with you just because of his wages and injuries combined but your statement really isn't that controversial. I imagine many fans would prefer he stayed one more year and we sold Maguire.
posted on 16/5/24
What Maguire does offer is the fact he actally gives a sheet, unlike most of the squad.
We do need one senior CB to fill in. Adarabioyo is on a free, he'd be a good option imo.
I'd love Branthwaite, but he's another left footer, and he'd cost a fortune.
Todibo seems an obvious choice, given INEOS own Nice.
Guehi looks a good player and could partner well with Martinez, but he'd cost a fortune.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
Process- you are having a mare here mate
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How exactly?
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You allude to Maguire being a sick note. Varane is a sick note, on ridiculously high wages, and I believe he has missed circa 30% of games since his time with us.
I Apologies having a mare maybe a tad too strong but, I don't follow your thinking here.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 53 seconds ago
What Maguire does offer is the fact he actally gives a sheet, unlike most of the squad.
We do need one senior CB to fill in. Adarabioyo is on a free, he'd be a good option imo.
I'd love Branthwaite, but he's another left footer, and he'd cost a fortune.
Todibo seems an obvious choice, given INEOS own Nice.
Guehi looks a good player and could partner well with Martinez, but he'd cost a fortune.
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Varane without a question does give a shiiiit. He is just broken. Body can't do it anymore.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 53 seconds ago
What Maguire does offer is the fact he actally gives a sheet, unlike most of the squad.
We do need one senior CB to fill in. Adarabioyo is on a free, he'd be a good option imo.
I'd love Branthwaite, but he's another left footer, and he'd cost a fortune.
Todibo seems an obvious choice, given INEOS own Nice.
Guehi looks a good player and could partner well with Martinez, but he'd cost a fortune.
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Varane without a question does give a shiiiit. He is just broken. Body can't do it anymore.
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Totally agree, plus his wages he had to go.
Whether Maguire does depends if we can sell him, but I wouldn't be upset if we go into next season having sold and replaced Verane + Lindelof.
posted on 16/5/24
If the redemption arc has been exaggerated, it's nothing compared with the scapegoating of Maguire, which reached a peak of sustained hysterical bile, for the side's deficiencies. He has never been an elite player, and has vulnerabilities when isolated against pacy attackers. But he has some excellent attributes as a defender and is better than many (including Varane, as it happens) when it comes to passing out from the back and stepping forward with the ball. In an ideal world we wouldn't have a player on his wages as a second choice CB, but I for one am very pleased for him that he has come back to his regular level after what seemed like a fatal crisis in confidence fed by the chaos of the club and the spitefulness of the discourse.
posted on 16/5/24
Maguire is limited, but still a decent defender for me. He's not normally that injury prone. I think he is a good pro to have around the squad. Varane seems to have entered that niggly injury stage so a little less reliable. Not sure if Martinez has been unlucky or is injury prone, just need to see next season. I can see us bringing in one new CB, be shocked if it's 2, given other areas require recruitment.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
If the redemption arc has been exaggerated, it's nothing compared with the scapegoating of Maguire, which reached a peak of sustained hysterical bile, for the side's deficiencies. He has never been an elite player, and has vulnerabilities when isolated against pacy attackers. But he has some excellent attributes as a defender and is better than many (including Varane, as it happens) when it comes to passing out from the back and stepping forward with the ball. In an ideal world we wouldn't have a player on his wages as a second choice CB, but I for one am very pleased for him that he has come back to his regular level after what seemed like a fatal crisis in confidence fed by the chaos of the club and the spitefulness of the discourse.
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Agree, when it's back to the wall defending Maguire is very good too. Haaland actually said he's the hardest defender to have played against.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 seconds ago
Maguire is limited, but still a decent defender for me. He's not normally that injury prone. I think he is a good pro to have around the squad. Varane seems to have entered that niggly injury stage so a little less reliable. Not sure if Martinez has been unlucky or is injury prone, just need to see next season. I can see us bringing in one new CB, be shocked if it's 2, given other areas require recruitment.
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If we lose Evans, Verane and (hopefully) Lindelof, we really have to sign two. That's why Adarabioyo is a great option imo.
posted on 16/5/24
Varane is younger, better and they’ve actually played similar minutes this season. Not sure what the issue with my view is.
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Well, let me break it down for you.
Firstly, I will start by saying Varane is the better defender by a long way.
Now onto the rest.
Varane and Maguire are the same age. 31. So unless you are going to play the Varane is younger by a month and a bit card, we can put that one to bed.
Maguires fitness record compared to Varane's during his time at the club is better. The problem I see with Varane, on this, is that he seldom puts in a good run of consecutive games. Which is not good if you want to have a consistent defence. I don't know the answer to this but it seems to me that Varane has never played half a dozen games on the trot.
Commitment. I think it is obvious to most that Maguire is much more committed to playing for the club than Varane is. Varane even came out and said he was wary of heading the ball.
Varane is at the end of his contract. General consensus on here is that we should not be renewing contracts for injury prone players and I agree with that.
Now, it is my view that Maguire should be nothing more than a back up to two better CB's.
Magiure's redemption hasn't been exaggerated as far as I can see, either. He has done a pretty solid job when called upon without as many eff ups as he did last season. He has arguably been our best defender this season. Dalot would probably shade him but Dalot has just as many brain farts as Maguire does.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 seconds ago
Maguire is limited, but still a decent defender for me. He's not normally that injury prone. I think he is a good pro to have around the squad. Varane seems to have entered that niggly injury stage so a little less reliable. Not sure if Martinez has been unlucky or is injury prone, just need to see next season. I can see us bringing in one new CB, be shocked if it's 2, given other areas require recruitment.
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If we lose Evans, Verane and (hopefully) Lindelof, we really have to sign two. That's why Adarabioyo is a great option imo.
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I guess the challenge will be finding someone who is good enough while also willing to come to the club seen as a second choice. With Adarabioyo that might be a harder sell given he's not a youngster.
posted on 16/5/24
Maguire should be a bench option at best. But we have to get rid of other defenders before Maguire so we're stuck with him.
Varane
Lindelof
Evans
Need to go first, United have done the right thing letting Varane go so far
Next needs to be another of the above defenders and Martial. Martial needs to be rushed out, just get rid of him for nothing of we have to
posted on 16/5/24
AWB needs to be sold too
posted on 16/5/24
I kind of agree, the stick he got was over the top but while he has improved he hasn't been particularly good either.
It's not his fault he cost us so much or that we gave him such high wages but he still isn't good enough for the club or the right fit.
His lack of pace which causes him to sit deeper than EtH would probably like does have an impact on the space in front which gives opponents more room to attack us. Of course it's not all slabheads fault and you can't fault his effort but he just isn't good enough (and never has been) and not a single club would be stupid to have such a highy paid defender sitting on the bench.
I've said it numerous times already but I really do think the loss of Martinez this season has been huge.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by House (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
Maguire should be a bench option at best. But we have to get rid of other defenders before Maguire so we're stuck with him.
Varane
Lindelof
Evans
Need to go first, United have done the right thing letting Varane go so far
Next needs to be another of the above defenders and Martial. Martial needs to be rushed out, just get rid of him for nothing of we have to
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Martial needs to be rushed out, just get rid of him for nothing of we have to
Are you alright? He waved goodbye yesterday
posted on 16/5/24
His lack of pace which causes him to sit deeper than EtH would probably like does have an impact on the space in front which gives opponents more room to attack us.
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Our issue for a while, IMO, has been having too many players with deficiencies that magnify each others. E.g. Varane not being gifted on the ball wouldn't matter if the rest of the defence and DMs were adept at playing out from the back. And Maguire's lack of pace wouldn't on its own prevent us from playing a high line (e.g. Hummels was never blessed with pace but has played in plenty of teams that push up) if not for other issues.
My point is only that I don't think he's an Achilles Heal for the team if he remains as a back-up player, while there are qualities we could do with upgrading. The question becomes one prioritising upgrades based on our limited resources.
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