EPL r in delycate situation
Lega Calcio punish teams sevetely over Calciopoli n it damage reputation of Serie A 4 many yrs
EPL has even moor too loose ($$$) than italisn league 20yr ago
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Its not theoretically true. For a case to be appealed in a UK court the charges need to be filled in a UK court.
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You absolutely can appeal an arbitration on a point of law which would have to go to court for a decision. Like I said, I can’t envisage any scenario where City are likely to do this
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What point of law? Premier League setup rules of PSR and FFP and Man City are charged with breaking them.
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The arbitration act. Like I said, there’s no chance that city will do anything with that though.
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Thats to do with contract law. This has nothing to do with it. Its a competition with its own set of rules which sit under UK law. The only way a club can appeal to a UK court is to say that the premier league is not following its own rules. Which is actually opposite of what they are doing. Had they ignored Man City's infractions the rest of the premier league could have taken them to court and could have sued them for financial damages which they have incurred by the premier league ignoring its own rules!
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posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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Too dum khuntz like Paulpwer n Boris
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 10 seconds ago
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posted 28 seconds ago
Its not theoretically true. For a case to be appealed in a UK court the charges need to be filled in a UK court.
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You absolutely can appeal an arbitration on a point of law which would have to go to court for a decision. Like I said, I can’t envisage any scenario where City are likely to do this
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What point of law? Premier League setup rules of PSR and FFP and Man City are charged with breaking them.
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The arbitration act. Like I said, there’s no chance that city will do anything with that though.
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Thats to do with contract law. This has nothing to do with it. Its a competition with its own set of rules which sit under UK law. The only way a club can appeal to a UK court is to say that the premier league is not following its own rules. Which is actually opposite of what they are doing. Had they ignored Man City's infractions the rest of the premier league could have taken them to court and could have sued them for financial damages which they have incurred by the premier league ignoring its own rules!
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Eh? It’s to do with arbitration, City and the PL have already been to court twice about it! It’s nothing to do with contract law.
It’s got nothing to do with whether City broke the PLs rules or regulations, like I said they can only appeal to the court about the arbitration itself.
They can’t appeal and get a court to rehear or rejudge the arbitration, that’s why I’m saying it’s highly unlikely that city will do anything post the appeals process already in place - if it gets that far.
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posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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The judicial panel.
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posted 18 seconds ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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The judicial panel.
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Er no. Its a quasi-judicial process. The premier league have appointed an independant panel to see if Man City can actually disprove the charges.
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posted 1 second ago
All premier league clubs are required to submit accounts so that they can be judged if they comply with PSR and FFP. If those accounts are faked, then obviously they have broken those rules.
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Probably not worth engaging with Boris on stuff like this. If he's ever right it's just by accident and he's unable to be sensible or impartial at all.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 28 seconds ago
Its not theoretically true. For a case to be appealed in a UK court the charges need to be filled in a UK court.
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You absolutely can appeal an arbitration on a point of law which would have to go to court for a decision. Like I said, I can’t envisage any scenario where City are likely to do this
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What point of law? Premier League setup rules of PSR and FFP and Man City are charged with breaking them.
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The arbitration act. Like I said, there’s no chance that city will do anything with that though.
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Thats to do with contract law. This has nothing to do with it. Its a competition with its own set of rules which sit under UK law. The only way a club can appeal to a UK court is to say that the premier league is not following its own rules. Which is actually opposite of what they are doing. Had they ignored Man City's infractions the rest of the premier league could have taken them to court and could have sued them for financial damages which they have incurred by the premier league ignoring its own rules!
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Eh? It’s to do with arbitration, City and the PL have already been to court twice about it! It’s nothing to do with contract law.
It’s got nothing to do with whether City broke the PLs rules or regulations, like I said they can only appeal to the court about the arbitration itself.
They can’t appeal and get a court to rehear or rejudge the arbitration, that’s why I’m saying it’s highly unlikely that city will do anything post the appeals process already in place - if it gets that far.
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The premier league have not gone into arbitration. If City can prove that the premier league are not following their own rules they would have a point.
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posted 18 seconds ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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The judicial panel.
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Er no. Its a quasi-judicial process. The premier league have appointed an independant panel to see if Man City can actually disprove the charges.
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Which is made up of members of their independent judicial panel. They hear evidence from both parties and then decide if it meets the standard of proof that they’ve set, which is balance of probabilities.
Of course the PL have to prove it too, think how absurd it’d be if they didn’t!
It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available.
It is evident that quite a few are using the charges as a panacea to cover up the failings or lack of success of their own clubs.
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posted 28 seconds ago
Its not theoretically true. For a case to be appealed in a UK court the charges need to be filled in a UK court.
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You absolutely can appeal an arbitration on a point of law which would have to go to court for a decision. Like I said, I can’t envisage any scenario where City are likely to do this
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What point of law? Premier League setup rules of PSR and FFP and Man City are charged with breaking them.
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The arbitration act. Like I said, there’s no chance that city will do anything with that though.
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Thats to do with contract law. This has nothing to do with it. Its a competition with its own set of rules which sit under UK law. The only way a club can appeal to a UK court is to say that the premier league is not following its own rules. Which is actually opposite of what they are doing. Had they ignored Man City's infractions the rest of the premier league could have taken them to court and could have sued them for financial damages which they have incurred by the premier league ignoring its own rules!
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Eh? It’s to do with arbitration, City and the PL have already been to court twice about it! It’s nothing to do with contract law.
It’s got nothing to do with whether City broke the PLs rules or regulations, like I said they can only appeal to the court about the arbitration itself.
They can’t appeal and get a court to rehear or rejudge the arbitration, that’s why I’m saying it’s highly unlikely that city will do anything post the appeals process already in place - if it gets that far.
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The premier league have not gone into arbitration. If City can prove that the premier league are not following their own rules they would have a point.
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What? The independent panel is an arbitration panel, that’s the whole point of it!
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comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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The judicial panel.
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Er no. Its a quasi-judicial process. The premier league have appointed an independant panel to see if Man City can actually disprove the charges.
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Which is made up of members of their independent judicial panel. They hear evidence from both parties and then decide if it meets the standard of proof that they’ve set, which is balance of probabilities.
Of course the PL have to prove it too, think how absurd it’d be if they didn’t!
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No they have made the charges based on evidence they have collected. Thats they whole point of clubs like Everton and Forest working with the premier league and that helping their cause in the final decision to mitgate the punishment.
Man City have not done this. So they have to literally disprove all the evidence which was collected in forming the charges.
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posted 1 second ago
All premier league clubs are required to submit accounts so that they can be judged if they comply with PSR and FFP. If those accounts are faked, then obviously they have broken those rules.
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Probably not worth engaging with Boris on stuff like this. If he's ever right it's just by accident and he's unable to be sensible or impartial at all.
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yer
Boris need 2b sensububble n unparsel like me n uther respeckeded poasters
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posted 6 minutes ago
It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available.
It is evident that quite a few are using the charges as a panacea to cover up the failings or lack of success of their own clubs.
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yer
that mussed b it!
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What? The independent panel is an arbitration panel, that’s the whole point of it!
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That is part of the procedure to make sure there is no sign of bias or impropriety or collusion in the decisions made. So that clubs see its a fair process. Now like I said, Man City could sue the premier league if they felt the conclusion of the panel was not doing that. But thats whole of point of it being 'independant' and under quasi judicial rules which all the clubs signed up to when they take part in the competition. So there is no recourse in the courts.
They haven’t made any charges as none have been admitted to. Everton and Forest both admitted their breaches and so the panel in their cases had to come up with the suitable punishment.
In City’s case, they have referred 115 breaches to the independent panel. They will have to judge both whether they think City are guilty or not and subsequently the punishment. City then can appeal, which would go to another panel set up of members of the PLs judicial panel.
Post that they have no recourse unless they raise an issue with the arbitration process itself, which can then be heard by the High Court. That won’t change the decision of the arbitration though (as in the independent panels findings) and although I can’t predict the future, given the people involved on the commission I highly doubt they’d do anything untoward so I don’t see any chance of that actually happening.
"It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available"
Thinking there's no way City got from where they where to where they are now so quickly is legit isn't anything to do with the evidence. Chelsea went from nowhere to winning the league soon after Abramovich took over. People said then there's no way that's legit. How much is only just coming out now apparently.
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All premier league clubs are required to submit accounts so that they can be judged if they comply with PSR and FFP. If those accounts are faked, then obviously they have broken those rules.
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Probably not worth engaging with Boris on stuff like this. If he's ever right it's just by accident and he's unable to be sensible or impartial at all.
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Boris need 2b sensububble n unparsel like me n uther respeckeded poasters
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I can imagine Boris using a thesaurus to make this comment in an effort to try and get back some credibility
They haven’t made any charges as none have been admitted to.
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According to the reports City are facing 115 charges. So what do you mean there are no charges?
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posted 6 minutes ago
It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available.
It is evident that quite a few are using the charges as a panacea to cover up the failings or lack of success of their own clubs.
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yer
that mussed b it!
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Meant to reply to this one. My bad.
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posted 6 minutes ago
It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available.
It is evident that quite a few are using the charges as a panacea to cover up the failings or lack of success of their own clubs.
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yer
that mussed b it!
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Meant to reply to this one. My bad.
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Sorry my comments weren't suitably dumded down.
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available.
It is evident that quite a few are using the charges as a panacea to cover up the failings or lack of success of their own clubs.
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yer
that mussed b it!
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Meant to reply to this one. My bad.
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Sorry my comments weren't suitably dumded down.
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Was a nice change of pace to your usual contributions!
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They haven’t made any charges as none have been admitted to.
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According to the reports City are facing 115 charges. So what do you mean there are no charges?
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As in the PL can’t charge city, they’ve never said they have - as per their own statement they’ve “referred a number of alleged breaches” to the independent commission. It’s slightly semantics and I get why reporters will call it charged but the PL aren’t the police, they can’t actually charge us. It’s now an arbitration between two separate companies and the PL have to prove to that panel that City have breached those rules and likewise, City will try and prove they haven’t.
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posted on 19/5/24
EPL r in delycate situation
Lega Calcio punish teams sevetely over Calciopoli n it damage reputation of Serie A 4 many yrs
EPL has even moor too loose ($$$) than italisn league 20yr ago
posted on 19/5/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 28 seconds ago
Its not theoretically true. For a case to be appealed in a UK court the charges need to be filled in a UK court.
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You absolutely can appeal an arbitration on a point of law which would have to go to court for a decision. Like I said, I can’t envisage any scenario where City are likely to do this
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What point of law? Premier League setup rules of PSR and FFP and Man City are charged with breaking them.
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The arbitration act. Like I said, there’s no chance that city will do anything with that though.
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Thats to do with contract law. This has nothing to do with it. Its a competition with its own set of rules which sit under UK law. The only way a club can appeal to a UK court is to say that the premier league is not following its own rules. Which is actually opposite of what they are doing. Had they ignored Man City's infractions the rest of the premier league could have taken them to court and could have sued them for financial damages which they have incurred by the premier league ignoring its own rules!
posted on 19/5/24
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
posted on 19/5/24
FFS what did I do
posted on 19/5/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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Too dum khuntz like Paulpwer n Boris
posted on 19/5/24
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 28 seconds ago
Its not theoretically true. For a case to be appealed in a UK court the charges need to be filled in a UK court.
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You absolutely can appeal an arbitration on a point of law which would have to go to court for a decision. Like I said, I can’t envisage any scenario where City are likely to do this
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What point of law? Premier League setup rules of PSR and FFP and Man City are charged with breaking them.
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The arbitration act. Like I said, there’s no chance that city will do anything with that though.
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Thats to do with contract law. This has nothing to do with it. Its a competition with its own set of rules which sit under UK law. The only way a club can appeal to a UK court is to say that the premier league is not following its own rules. Which is actually opposite of what they are doing. Had they ignored Man City's infractions the rest of the premier league could have taken them to court and could have sued them for financial damages which they have incurred by the premier league ignoring its own rules!
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Eh? It’s to do with arbitration, City and the PL have already been to court twice about it! It’s nothing to do with contract law.
It’s got nothing to do with whether City broke the PLs rules or regulations, like I said they can only appeal to the court about the arbitration itself.
They can’t appeal and get a court to rehear or rejudge the arbitration, that’s why I’m saying it’s highly unlikely that city will do anything post the appeals process already in place - if it gets that far.
posted on 19/5/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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The judicial panel.
posted on 19/5/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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The judicial panel.
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Er no. Its a quasi-judicial process. The premier league have appointed an independant panel to see if Man City can actually disprove the charges.
posted on 19/5/24
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posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 second ago
All premier league clubs are required to submit accounts so that they can be judged if they comply with PSR and FFP. If those accounts are faked, then obviously they have broken those rules.
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Probably not worth engaging with Boris on stuff like this. If he's ever right it's just by accident and he's unable to be sensible or impartial at all.
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posted on 19/5/24
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 28 seconds ago
Its not theoretically true. For a case to be appealed in a UK court the charges need to be filled in a UK court.
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You absolutely can appeal an arbitration on a point of law which would have to go to court for a decision. Like I said, I can’t envisage any scenario where City are likely to do this
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What point of law? Premier League setup rules of PSR and FFP and Man City are charged with breaking them.
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The arbitration act. Like I said, there’s no chance that city will do anything with that though.
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Thats to do with contract law. This has nothing to do with it. Its a competition with its own set of rules which sit under UK law. The only way a club can appeal to a UK court is to say that the premier league is not following its own rules. Which is actually opposite of what they are doing. Had they ignored Man City's infractions the rest of the premier league could have taken them to court and could have sued them for financial damages which they have incurred by the premier league ignoring its own rules!
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Eh? It’s to do with arbitration, City and the PL have already been to court twice about it! It’s nothing to do with contract law.
It’s got nothing to do with whether City broke the PLs rules or regulations, like I said they can only appeal to the court about the arbitration itself.
They can’t appeal and get a court to rehear or rejudge the arbitration, that’s why I’m saying it’s highly unlikely that city will do anything post the appeals process already in place - if it gets that far.
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The premier league have not gone into arbitration. If City can prove that the premier league are not following their own rules they would have a point.
posted on 19/5/24
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posted 54 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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The judicial panel.
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Er no. Its a quasi-judicial process. The premier league have appointed an independant panel to see if Man City can actually disprove the charges.
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Which is made up of members of their independent judicial panel. They hear evidence from both parties and then decide if it meets the standard of proof that they’ve set, which is balance of probabilities.
Of course the PL have to prove it too, think how absurd it’d be if they didn’t!
posted on 19/5/24
It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available.
It is evident that quite a few are using the charges as a panacea to cover up the failings or lack of success of their own clubs.
posted on 19/5/24
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posted 31 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 10 seconds ago
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posted 28 seconds ago
Its not theoretically true. For a case to be appealed in a UK court the charges need to be filled in a UK court.
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You absolutely can appeal an arbitration on a point of law which would have to go to court for a decision. Like I said, I can’t envisage any scenario where City are likely to do this
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What point of law? Premier League setup rules of PSR and FFP and Man City are charged with breaking them.
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The arbitration act. Like I said, there’s no chance that city will do anything with that though.
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Thats to do with contract law. This has nothing to do with it. Its a competition with its own set of rules which sit under UK law. The only way a club can appeal to a UK court is to say that the premier league is not following its own rules. Which is actually opposite of what they are doing. Had they ignored Man City's infractions the rest of the premier league could have taken them to court and could have sued them for financial damages which they have incurred by the premier league ignoring its own rules!
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Eh? It’s to do with arbitration, City and the PL have already been to court twice about it! It’s nothing to do with contract law.
It’s got nothing to do with whether City broke the PLs rules or regulations, like I said they can only appeal to the court about the arbitration itself.
They can’t appeal and get a court to rehear or rejudge the arbitration, that’s why I’m saying it’s highly unlikely that city will do anything post the appeals process already in place - if it gets that far.
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The premier league have not gone into arbitration. If City can prove that the premier league are not following their own rules they would have a point.
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What? The independent panel is an arbitration panel, that’s the whole point of it!
posted on 19/5/24
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posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 43 minutes ago
It’s up to the premier league to prove we are guilty you thickcunts
Which they won’t
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Prove it to who?
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The judicial panel.
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Er no. Its a quasi-judicial process. The premier league have appointed an independant panel to see if Man City can actually disprove the charges.
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Which is made up of members of their independent judicial panel. They hear evidence from both parties and then decide if it meets the standard of proof that they’ve set, which is balance of probabilities.
Of course the PL have to prove it too, think how absurd it’d be if they didn’t!
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No they have made the charges based on evidence they have collected. Thats they whole point of clubs like Everton and Forest working with the premier league and that helping their cause in the final decision to mitgate the punishment.
Man City have not done this. So they have to literally disprove all the evidence which was collected in forming the charges.
posted on 19/5/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 second ago
All premier league clubs are required to submit accounts so that they can be judged if they comply with PSR and FFP. If those accounts are faked, then obviously they have broken those rules.
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Probably not worth engaging with Boris on stuff like this. If he's ever right it's just by accident and he's unable to be sensible or impartial at all.
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yer
Boris need 2b sensububble n unparsel like me n uther respeckeded poasters
posted on 19/5/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available.
It is evident that quite a few are using the charges as a panacea to cover up the failings or lack of success of their own clubs.
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yer
that mussed b it!
posted on 19/5/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
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What? The independent panel is an arbitration panel, that’s the whole point of it!
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That is part of the procedure to make sure there is no sign of bias or impropriety or collusion in the decisions made. So that clubs see its a fair process. Now like I said, Man City could sue the premier league if they felt the conclusion of the panel was not doing that. But thats whole of point of it being 'independant' and under quasi judicial rules which all the clubs signed up to when they take part in the competition. So there is no recourse in the courts.
posted on 19/5/24
They haven’t made any charges as none have been admitted to. Everton and Forest both admitted their breaches and so the panel in their cases had to come up with the suitable punishment.
In City’s case, they have referred 115 breaches to the independent panel. They will have to judge both whether they think City are guilty or not and subsequently the punishment. City then can appeal, which would go to another panel set up of members of the PLs judicial panel.
Post that they have no recourse unless they raise an issue with the arbitration process itself, which can then be heard by the High Court. That won’t change the decision of the arbitration though (as in the independent panels findings) and although I can’t predict the future, given the people involved on the commission I highly doubt they’d do anything untoward so I don’t see any chance of that actually happening.
posted on 19/5/24
"It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available"
Thinking there's no way City got from where they where to where they are now so quickly is legit isn't anything to do with the evidence. Chelsea went from nowhere to winning the league soon after Abramovich took over. People said then there's no way that's legit. How much is only just coming out now apparently.
posted on 19/5/24
comment by #4zA (U22472)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 second ago
All premier league clubs are required to submit accounts so that they can be judged if they comply with PSR and FFP. If those accounts are faked, then obviously they have broken those rules.
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Probably not worth engaging with Boris on stuff like this. If he's ever right it's just by accident and he's unable to be sensible or impartial at all.
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yer
Boris need 2b sensububble n unparsel like me n uther respeckeded poasters
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I can imagine Boris using a thesaurus to make this comment in an effort to try and get back some credibility
posted on 19/5/24
They haven’t made any charges as none have been admitted to.
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According to the reports City are facing 115 charges. So what do you mean there are no charges?
posted on 19/5/24
comment by #4zA (U22472)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available.
It is evident that quite a few are using the charges as a panacea to cover up the failings or lack of success of their own clubs.
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yer
that mussed b it!
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Meant to reply to this one. My bad.
posted on 19/5/24
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by #4zA (U22472)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available.
It is evident that quite a few are using the charges as a panacea to cover up the failings or lack of success of their own clubs.
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yer
that mussed b it!
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Meant to reply to this one. My bad.
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Sorry my comments weren't suitably dumded down.
posted on 19/5/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by #4zA (U22472)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's impossible to have a decent debate about the topic on here, most have made their minds up despite the lack of eveidence being available.
It is evident that quite a few are using the charges as a panacea to cover up the failings or lack of success of their own clubs.
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yer
that mussed b it!
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Meant to reply to this one. My bad.
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Sorry my comments weren't suitably dumded down.
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Was a nice change of pace to your usual contributions!
posted on 19/5/24
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 54 seconds ago
They haven’t made any charges as none have been admitted to.
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According to the reports City are facing 115 charges. So what do you mean there are no charges?
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As in the PL can’t charge city, they’ve never said they have - as per their own statement they’ve “referred a number of alleged breaches” to the independent commission. It’s slightly semantics and I get why reporters will call it charged but the PL aren’t the police, they can’t actually charge us. It’s now an arbitration between two separate companies and the PL have to prove to that panel that City have breached those rules and likewise, City will try and prove they haven’t.
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