They are murderers and should be treated as such. Perhaps exported to the country the victims came from.
How did your title get past admin?
My god that's pretty grim.
Just been to Greece for a few weeks and had an amazing time. The people were some of the friendliest I have encountered so we can't judge everyone by the actions of a few.
Clearly this is definitely not the way to handle the global refugee crisis (understatement of the century) but the
world really is a mess at present.
Sadly there are plenty of people online saying they deserved it such is the new ‘racism is just free speech’ world we live in
comment by Trump 2024- Let's make America great again. (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
How did your title get past admin?
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Admin 1 has given me special dispensation to use whatever language I see fit.
This will probably now be Sunak's next 'big idea' policy if he wins, if Rwanda doesnt take-off (sorry), that Labour haven't thought of first, to get one-up on Rerform after the election. 'Stop The Boats!'
Vile, hopefully the powers that be act and punish accordingly. How can anybody do that?
Terrible news, this planet is a f-cking mess right now and sadly many won't have sympathy for those that died and the many more who are desperate for safety.
Wasn't there news a year or so ago about English coastguards deliberately ignoring calls to rescue migrants on boats?
Just been to Greece for a few weeks and had an amazing time. The people were some of the friendliest I have encountered so we can't judge everyone by the actions of a few.
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Every society will contain a proportion of people who are attracted to cruel, authoritarian politics, and a fringe of those who are capable of channelling those ideas into deadly acts. No one is claiming that the existence of people who are murdering refugees or facilitating these actions represent all Greeks. That said, history teaches us that individuals are often friendly and kind to some people, while treating others with brutality. When the discourse we live in encourages us to see refugees as an abstract threat rather than as people who breathe, love and hope, it's not so difficult to foster a culture in which they are dehumanised, and not eligible for the default hospitality and kindness. I guess what I'm saying is that if all of the lovely locals we meet on our Greek holidays deep down related to every human being the way they relate to affluent tourists from northern Europe, the country would not have the politics in which it is possible for hundreds of helpless people to be deliberately drowned in the Mediterranean sea.
The same point applies in every country.
Greek Police culture has been a law unto themselves for generations.
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 12 minutes ago
This will probably now be Sunak's next 'big idea' policy if he wins, if Rwanda doesnt take-off (sorry), that Labour haven't thought of first, to get one-up on Rerform after the election. 'Stop The Boats!'
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There are figures who are part of our mainstream national discourse, and therefore I suppose not considered to be 'extremists' who have floated the idea that sinking vessels crossing the Channel may be the best solution to the supposed crisis.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 12 minutes ago
This will probably now be Sunak's next 'big idea' policy if he wins, if Rwanda doesnt take-off (sorry), that Labour haven't thought of first, to get one-up on Rerform after the election. 'Stop The Boats!'
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There are figures who are part of our mainstream national discourse, and therefore I suppose not considered to be 'extremists' who have floated the idea that sinking vessels crossing the Channel may be the best solution to the supposed crisis.
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They live in the daily Mail comments section mostly. Or Clacton
Has anyone checked if Cruella has been travelling to Greece recently?
These people are cruel fuŃkers.
Im trying to get my head around which us more humane. Sinking the small boats where ever they appear in British waters or picking up the people in the small boats in British waters and sailing them out to French water.... and then chucking them overboard. Those on the right on here, please let us know.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 41 minutes ago
Vile, hopefully the powers that be act and punish accordingly. How can anybody do that?
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Look back through humanity, it’s what humans do
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 41 minutes ago
Vile, hopefully the powers that be act and punish accordingly. How can anybody do that?
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Look back through humanity, it’s what humans do
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It's what humans are capable of under certain conditions, and what we find utterly incomprehensible under different conditions. Essentially it's about whether we extend our natural capacity for empathy or we find mechanisms of viewing other humans as non-human, in which case empathy needn't be applied. In primitive societies, tribes often viewed competing tribes in the latter way, and our history and pre-history is knee-deep in the blood of sacked cities in which neither the women, infants or even animals of enemy groups were spared. More recently the logic of colonialism resulted in genocides across the Americas, in farmer-settlers hunting Aboriginal Australians like animals, and then fascism arose as an ideology that explicitly celebrated the primitive impulse and systematically erased empathetic instincts in its foot soldiers.
Many people have learned from the moral shocks of the twentieth century and therefore resist the call of propaganda that tries to dehumanise people who come from certain places or whose appearance mark them out as alien. What happened in the seas around Greece isn't inevitably "what humans do" - we have every opportunity to do the opposite.
Haven't heard one good solution yet on how we end the refugee crisis though.
One thing is for sure we need to stop interfering in the middle east as I think our actions have only made things worse really. Yes there's still wars and conflicts and even genocides going on which is truly gut wrenching but I don't think the US and British troops have made it a ton better for them either.
One thing is for certain though is countries can't keep taking in refugees in the huge numbers they are currently doing so a workable and humane approach needs to be found and quick.
I don't blame any refugee for feeling these places in the hope for a better life though. I'd do the same thing in their shoes I have no doubt.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024- Let's make America great again. (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
How did your title get past admin?
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Admin 1 has given me special dispensation to use whatever language I see fit.
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Just noticed that Admin 1 or 2 just spotted my sneaky loophole!
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 11 minutes ago
Haven't heard one good solution yet on how we end the refugee crisis though.
One thing is for sure we need to stop interfering in the middle east as I think our actions have only made things worse really. Yes there's still wars and conflicts and even genocides going on which is truly gut wrenching but I don't think the US and British troops have made it a ton better for them either.
One thing is for certain though is countries can't keep taking in refugees in the huge numbers they are currently doing so a workable and humane approach needs to be found and quick.
I don't blame any refugee for feeling these places in the hope for a better life though. I'd do the same thing in their shoes I have no doubt.
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All that needs to happen is the complete dismantlement of the two predominant global geopolitical paradigms which have been entrenched and determinedly reinforced for circa 80 and 30 years, and their replacement with a new model built on the principles of a committed, trusting and fraternal international cooperation, mutual disarmament and a wholesale redistribution of wealth primarily from the West to the developing world.
Can’t see how that’ll be remotely difficult.
What happened in the seas around Greece isn't inevitably "what humans do" - we have every opportunity to do the opposite.
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That comment wasn’t specifically aimed at throwing migrants overboard, it was just generally to do with genocide, ethnic cleansing and the like, get inside people’s heads far enough and they’ll do anything
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
They live in the daily Mail comments section mostly. Or Clacton
......................
After your comments on the Biden - Trump thread it would appear that the Daily Mail Comments section and the good people (there are a few) of Clacton - on - Sea are a bastion of knowledge for current world events.
if they didnt want too deal with the concequences of coming to the the country then shouldnt of come in the first place
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Im trying to get my head around which us more humane. Sinking the small boats where ever they appear in British waters or picking up the people in the small boats in British waters and sailing them out to French water.... and then chucking them overboard. Those on the right on here, please let us know.
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The right or the far right? They are not the same thing, just as the left isn't the same thing as the far left.
This is the thing though. Why are these people wanting to leave their country of birth ?
It's because their countries are getting it all wrong.
Most of these refugees want to come to the UK, but to get here they need to go through other European countries first. Then we get all these people in the UK telling us how broken and how bad our country is.
But why do so many people want to come here then ?
I could go on, but I am digressing. So what can we do to help ?
It's the same for everything. You see, when we see global pollution, plastics in the sea, air pollution, deforestation, animal extinction it is all happening in so called 3rd world countries.
So the answer to it all, to make the world better, to stop people from wanting to leave their countries for a better life elsewhere, lets start making these poor countries less poor. Lets stop hoarding all the wealth in the elite countries, lets invest in the poor countries, lets get things right in these countries, and that does not mean troops on the ground.
I was reading an article the other day where China purchased a whole mountain in Chile and just mined it to the ground, how can this be good for the planet ?
To stop migration, to stop world hunger, to stop world pollution, to stop all this human rights, there is only one way to do it, and that is for all the governments in the 1st world to get together and figure out how to make the poor countries richer.
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posted on 17/6/24
They are murderers and should be treated as such. Perhaps exported to the country the victims came from.
How did your title get past admin?
posted on 17/6/24
My god that's pretty grim.
Just been to Greece for a few weeks and had an amazing time. The people were some of the friendliest I have encountered so we can't judge everyone by the actions of a few.
Clearly this is definitely not the way to handle the global refugee crisis (understatement of the century) but the
world really is a mess at present.
posted on 17/6/24
Sadly there are plenty of people online saying they deserved it such is the new ‘racism is just free speech’ world we live in
posted on 17/6/24
comment by Trump 2024- Let's make America great again. (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
How did your title get past admin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Admin 1 has given me special dispensation to use whatever language I see fit.
posted on 17/6/24
This will probably now be Sunak's next 'big idea' policy if he wins, if Rwanda doesnt take-off (sorry), that Labour haven't thought of first, to get one-up on Rerform after the election. 'Stop The Boats!'
posted on 17/6/24
Vile, hopefully the powers that be act and punish accordingly. How can anybody do that?
posted on 17/6/24
Terrible news, this planet is a f-cking mess right now and sadly many won't have sympathy for those that died and the many more who are desperate for safety.
Wasn't there news a year or so ago about English coastguards deliberately ignoring calls to rescue migrants on boats?
posted on 17/6/24
Just been to Greece for a few weeks and had an amazing time. The people were some of the friendliest I have encountered so we can't judge everyone by the actions of a few.
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Every society will contain a proportion of people who are attracted to cruel, authoritarian politics, and a fringe of those who are capable of channelling those ideas into deadly acts. No one is claiming that the existence of people who are murdering refugees or facilitating these actions represent all Greeks. That said, history teaches us that individuals are often friendly and kind to some people, while treating others with brutality. When the discourse we live in encourages us to see refugees as an abstract threat rather than as people who breathe, love and hope, it's not so difficult to foster a culture in which they are dehumanised, and not eligible for the default hospitality and kindness. I guess what I'm saying is that if all of the lovely locals we meet on our Greek holidays deep down related to every human being the way they relate to affluent tourists from northern Europe, the country would not have the politics in which it is possible for hundreds of helpless people to be deliberately drowned in the Mediterranean sea.
The same point applies in every country.
posted on 17/6/24
Greek Police culture has been a law unto themselves for generations.
posted on 17/6/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 12 minutes ago
This will probably now be Sunak's next 'big idea' policy if he wins, if Rwanda doesnt take-off (sorry), that Labour haven't thought of first, to get one-up on Rerform after the election. 'Stop The Boats!'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are figures who are part of our mainstream national discourse, and therefore I suppose not considered to be 'extremists' who have floated the idea that sinking vessels crossing the Channel may be the best solution to the supposed crisis.
posted on 17/6/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 12 minutes ago
This will probably now be Sunak's next 'big idea' policy if he wins, if Rwanda doesnt take-off (sorry), that Labour haven't thought of first, to get one-up on Rerform after the election. 'Stop The Boats!'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are figures who are part of our mainstream national discourse, and therefore I suppose not considered to be 'extremists' who have floated the idea that sinking vessels crossing the Channel may be the best solution to the supposed crisis.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They live in the daily Mail comments section mostly. Or Clacton
posted on 17/6/24
Has anyone checked if Cruella has been travelling to Greece recently?
posted on 17/6/24
These people are cruel fuŃkers.
posted on 17/6/24
Im trying to get my head around which us more humane. Sinking the small boats where ever they appear in British waters or picking up the people in the small boats in British waters and sailing them out to French water.... and then chucking them overboard. Those on the right on here, please let us know.
posted on 17/6/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 41 minutes ago
Vile, hopefully the powers that be act and punish accordingly. How can anybody do that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look back through humanity, it’s what humans do
posted on 17/6/24
Maguire knew.
posted on 17/6/24
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 41 minutes ago
Vile, hopefully the powers that be act and punish accordingly. How can anybody do that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look back through humanity, it’s what humans do
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's what humans are capable of under certain conditions, and what we find utterly incomprehensible under different conditions. Essentially it's about whether we extend our natural capacity for empathy or we find mechanisms of viewing other humans as non-human, in which case empathy needn't be applied. In primitive societies, tribes often viewed competing tribes in the latter way, and our history and pre-history is knee-deep in the blood of sacked cities in which neither the women, infants or even animals of enemy groups were spared. More recently the logic of colonialism resulted in genocides across the Americas, in farmer-settlers hunting Aboriginal Australians like animals, and then fascism arose as an ideology that explicitly celebrated the primitive impulse and systematically erased empathetic instincts in its foot soldiers.
Many people have learned from the moral shocks of the twentieth century and therefore resist the call of propaganda that tries to dehumanise people who come from certain places or whose appearance mark them out as alien. What happened in the seas around Greece isn't inevitably "what humans do" - we have every opportunity to do the opposite.
posted on 17/6/24
Haven't heard one good solution yet on how we end the refugee crisis though.
One thing is for sure we need to stop interfering in the middle east as I think our actions have only made things worse really. Yes there's still wars and conflicts and even genocides going on which is truly gut wrenching but I don't think the US and British troops have made it a ton better for them either.
One thing is for certain though is countries can't keep taking in refugees in the huge numbers they are currently doing so a workable and humane approach needs to be found and quick.
I don't blame any refugee for feeling these places in the hope for a better life though. I'd do the same thing in their shoes I have no doubt.
posted on 17/6/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024- Let's make America great again. (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
How did your title get past admin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Admin 1 has given me special dispensation to use whatever language I see fit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just noticed that Admin 1 or 2 just spotted my sneaky loophole!
posted on 17/6/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 11 minutes ago
Haven't heard one good solution yet on how we end the refugee crisis though.
One thing is for sure we need to stop interfering in the middle east as I think our actions have only made things worse really. Yes there's still wars and conflicts and even genocides going on which is truly gut wrenching but I don't think the US and British troops have made it a ton better for them either.
One thing is for certain though is countries can't keep taking in refugees in the huge numbers they are currently doing so a workable and humane approach needs to be found and quick.
I don't blame any refugee for feeling these places in the hope for a better life though. I'd do the same thing in their shoes I have no doubt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
All that needs to happen is the complete dismantlement of the two predominant global geopolitical paradigms which have been entrenched and determinedly reinforced for circa 80 and 30 years, and their replacement with a new model built on the principles of a committed, trusting and fraternal international cooperation, mutual disarmament and a wholesale redistribution of wealth primarily from the West to the developing world.
Can’t see how that’ll be remotely difficult.
posted on 17/6/24
What happened in the seas around Greece isn't inevitably "what humans do" - we have every opportunity to do the opposite.
—————
That comment wasn’t specifically aimed at throwing migrants overboard, it was just generally to do with genocide, ethnic cleansing and the like, get inside people’s heads far enough and they’ll do anything
posted on 17/6/24
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
They live in the daily Mail comments section mostly. Or Clacton
......................
After your comments on the Biden - Trump thread it would appear that the Daily Mail Comments section and the good people (there are a few) of Clacton - on - Sea are a bastion of knowledge for current world events.
posted on 17/6/24
if they didnt want too deal with the concequences of coming to the the country then shouldnt of come in the first place
posted on 17/6/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Im trying to get my head around which us more humane. Sinking the small boats where ever they appear in British waters or picking up the people in the small boats in British waters and sailing them out to French water.... and then chucking them overboard. Those on the right on here, please let us know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The right or the far right? They are not the same thing, just as the left isn't the same thing as the far left.
posted on 17/6/24
This is the thing though. Why are these people wanting to leave their country of birth ?
It's because their countries are getting it all wrong.
Most of these refugees want to come to the UK, but to get here they need to go through other European countries first. Then we get all these people in the UK telling us how broken and how bad our country is.
But why do so many people want to come here then ?
I could go on, but I am digressing. So what can we do to help ?
It's the same for everything. You see, when we see global pollution, plastics in the sea, air pollution, deforestation, animal extinction it is all happening in so called 3rd world countries.
So the answer to it all, to make the world better, to stop people from wanting to leave their countries for a better life elsewhere, lets start making these poor countries less poor. Lets stop hoarding all the wealth in the elite countries, lets invest in the poor countries, lets get things right in these countries, and that does not mean troops on the ground.
I was reading an article the other day where China purchased a whole mountain in Chile and just mined it to the ground, how can this be good for the planet ?
To stop migration, to stop world hunger, to stop world pollution, to stop all this human rights, there is only one way to do it, and that is for all the governments in the 1st world to get together and figure out how to make the poor countries richer.
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