Edit: it's ok I googled it
Luke Shaw is England’s most important player.
OP is wrong. Aaron Ramsdale is by far England's most important player. So important, he doesn't even need to be on the pitch to influence the team.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 55 seconds ago
Good to see the OP take a break from promoting racist political platforms in favour of tedious wummery. Personal growth is always possible.
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Yeah i'm racist yet here I am praising Kobbie Mainoo who's an ethnic minority.
Racist because I am a member of Reform UK and our biggest donor is a practising Muslim whom we all adore.
Definitely racist though
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Ah, the old "I have brown-skinned friends" refutation. But reread my comment and you'll notice that I didn't call you a racist: I observed that you promoted a party that has a racist platform, which is objectively true. Reform UK demonises migrants by massively overstating and often lying about the impact of immigration, which proposes to scrap the legislation which has protected ethnic minorities from deliberate and explicit discrimination, and which has selected a swathe of candidates who have expressed overtly racist and sometimes fascist views.
(I'd better copy this answer in case you delete my comment like you did last time.)
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Nah you’re wrong RR
Good old nige is everyone’s mate
Bellingham is proving to be the talisman hero, scoring important goals etc, but he's not been playing consistently brilliant. Mainoo is quietly going about his business, being effective and always looking to create space, and has definitely given England an extra edge since starting.
Bell' grabbing the headlines, but Mainoo is just as important in my view, and will come into it more, as long as Eng survive
Pickford,
Stones,
Rice,
Bellingham,
Kane,
Shaw
All more important than maino. He personally played well the other day, my motm, but the team was still crap on the hole and bellinghams one moment of magic put us through
Mainoo has been the player of the tournament so far.
I believe he will win the Ballon D'or next season.
Bookmark this.
comment by Kobra (U19849)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 55 seconds ago
Good to see the OP take a break from promoting racist political platforms in favour of tedious wummery. Personal growth is always possible.
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Yeah i'm racist yet here I am praising Kobbie Mainoo who's an ethnic minority.
Racist because I am a member of Reform UK and our biggest donor is a practising Muslim whom we all adore.
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Genuinely who is this Muslim?
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd11xxn833yo
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
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Precisely. People of colour who advocate for racist policies are extremely useful to the radical right.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 55 seconds ago
Good to see the OP take a break from promoting racist political platforms in favour of tedious wummery. Personal growth is always possible.
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Yeah i'm racist yet here I am praising Kobbie Mainoo who's an ethnic minority.
Racist because I am a member of Reform UK and our biggest donor is a practising Muslim whom we all adore.
Definitely racist though
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Ah, the old "I have brown-skinned friends" refutation. But reread my comment and you'll notice that I didn't call you a racist: I observed that you promoted a party that has a racist platform, which is objectively true. Reform UK demonises migrants by massively overstating and often lying about the impact of immigration, which proposes to scrap the legislation which has protected ethnic minorities from deliberate and explicit discrimination, and which has selected a swathe of candidates who have expressed overtly racist and sometimes fascist views.
(I'd better copy this answer in case you delete my comment like you did last time.)
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Reform UK is not a racist party. Simple as that. We have plenty of Muslim members, plenty of black members etc... you need to try harder mate. Any racism is not welcome in Reform.
The candidates who made racist remarks were just stooges, in fact one was a paid actor, so try harder.
Also why is it only Reform who get massive media exposure over 'candidates' acting up? Labour and Conservative have both had the same issues, but their candidates actually were racist and not paid actors like the Reform one.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 26 seconds ago
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
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Precisely. People of colour who advocate for racist policies are extremely useful to the radical right.
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There is no racism allowed in the party. It literally couldn't be clearer. We love people of all backgrounds. They are also welcome in the party and are members
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 26 seconds ago
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
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Precisely. People of colour who advocate for racist policies are extremely useful to the radical right.
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There is no racism allowed in the party. It literally couldn't be clearer. We love people of all backgrounds. They are also welcome in the party and are members
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There is no Mainoo in Team.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 minutes ago
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
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Whilst the overall immigration numbers are much, much higher, the numbers of asylum seekers and illegal immigrations alone are the same as our total net figures prior to 1997.
It’s not a tiny trickle just because the total numbers are astronomical. You’re being as reductive as they are inflammatory RR. Both need to be discussed sensibly and controlled fairly.
Sat Nav and Culer text each other to make sure they’re not wearing similar clothes at Reform meetings.
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 26 seconds ago
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
------------------------------------------------------------
Precisely. People of colour who advocate for racist policies are extremely useful to the radical right.
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There is no racism allowed in the party. It literally couldn't be clearer. We love people of all backgrounds. They are also welcome in the party and are members
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Reform is just the BNP in tweed. Don't pretend otherwise.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
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We aren't capturing a racist vote. Actors who are hired by C4 to be fake racist candidates don't make your claims real.
There's a reason we are growing exponentially and that's because people are tired of politicians who lie through their teeth like Sunak and Starmer.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 minutes ago
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
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Whilst the overall immigration numbers are much, much higher, the numbers of asylum seekers and illegal immigrations alone are the same as our total net figures prior to 1997.
It’s not a tiny trickle just because the total numbers are astronomical. You’re being as reductive as they are inflammatory RR. Both need to be discussed sensibly and controlled fairly.
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RedRussian thinks the English Channel is a kid's paddling pool.
Immigration and illegal immigration is simply out of control. That is a statement of fact.
We need to control it and we need mass deportations to rid us of the illegals that are currently here.
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 26 seconds ago
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
------------------------------------------------------------
Precisely. People of colour who advocate for racist policies are extremely useful to the radical right.
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There is no racism allowed in the party. It literally couldn't be clearer. We love people of all backgrounds. They are also welcome in the party and are members
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Reform is just the BNP in tweed. Don't pretend otherwise.
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Another complete myth. It's hilarious how many people want to shout out that we are all racists, yet provide zero evidence.
Our biggest donor is Muslim, so we're racist.
We have thousands of black members, so we're racist
We have thousands of brown-skinned members, so we're racist.
Try harder Mr Corbyn
Your own party members say it’s full of racists
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 minutes ago
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
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Whilst the overall immigration numbers are much, much higher, the numbers of asylum seekers and illegal immigrations alone are the same as our total net figures prior to 1997.
It’s not a tiny trickle just because the total numbers are astronomical. You’re being as reductive as they are inflammatory RR. Both need to be discussed sensibly and controlled fairly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RedRussian thinks the English Channel is a kid's paddling pool.
Immigration and illegal immigration is simply out of control. That is a statement of fact.
We need to control it and we need mass deportations to rid us of the illegals that are currently here.
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At the same time, you cannot deny the amplified rhetoric employed by parties such as reform. They wind people up to the point where people blame foreign looking people.
RR doesn't think it's a kiddy pool - he just finds the rhetoric abhorrent, as do I.
This is an important matter to discuss and the far right and the far left muddy the conversation far too much.
This is an economic & infrastructure matter for me; the numbers cannot continue without serious investment into housing and services, investment that would have to be at levels that would cripple us economically. Plus it takes a lot time to build infrastructure and services.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 44 seconds ago
Your own party members say it’s full of racists
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No they don't. Tory stooges pretending to defect, trying to de-rail a party by telling lies doesn't make something true.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 minutes ago
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
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Whilst the overall immigration numbers are much, much higher, the numbers of asylum seekers and illegal immigrations alone are the same as our total net figures prior to 1997.
It’s not a tiny trickle just because the total numbers are astronomical. You’re being as reductive as they are inflammatory RR. Both need to be discussed sensibly and controlled fairly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RedRussian thinks the English Channel is a kid's paddling pool.
Immigration and illegal immigration is simply out of control. That is a statement of fact.
We need to control it and we need mass deportations to rid us of the illegals that are currently here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the same time, you cannot deny the amplified rhetoric employed by parties such as reform. They wind people up to the point where people blame foreign looking people.
RR doesn't think it's a kiddy pool - he just finds the rhetoric abhorrent, as do I.
This is an important matter to discuss and the far right and the far left muddy the conversation far too much.
This is an economic & infrastructure matter for me; the numbers cannot continue without serious investment into housing and services, investment that would have to be at levels that would cripple us economically. Plus it takes a lot time to build infrastructure and services.
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We don't over-estimate immigration. What we say is true.
We also aren't anti-immigration either. I don't want a country that nobody is allowed to move to and live. We just need to scrutinize exactly who is coming here and why. A points/class based system is exactly what we need.
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Mainoo Vs Bellingham
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posted on 2/7/24
Edit: it's ok I googled it
posted on 2/7/24
Luke Shaw is England’s most important player.
posted on 2/7/24
OP is wrong. Aaron Ramsdale is by far England's most important player. So important, he doesn't even need to be on the pitch to influence the team.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 55 seconds ago
Good to see the OP take a break from promoting racist political platforms in favour of tedious wummery. Personal growth is always possible.
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Yeah i'm racist yet here I am praising Kobbie Mainoo who's an ethnic minority.
Racist because I am a member of Reform UK and our biggest donor is a practising Muslim whom we all adore.
Definitely racist though
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah, the old "I have brown-skinned friends" refutation. But reread my comment and you'll notice that I didn't call you a racist: I observed that you promoted a party that has a racist platform, which is objectively true. Reform UK demonises migrants by massively overstating and often lying about the impact of immigration, which proposes to scrap the legislation which has protected ethnic minorities from deliberate and explicit discrimination, and which has selected a swathe of candidates who have expressed overtly racist and sometimes fascist views.
(I'd better copy this answer in case you delete my comment like you did last time.)
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Nah you’re wrong RR
Good old nige is everyone’s mate
posted on 2/7/24
Member of Reform
posted on 2/7/24
Bellingham is proving to be the talisman hero, scoring important goals etc, but he's not been playing consistently brilliant. Mainoo is quietly going about his business, being effective and always looking to create space, and has definitely given England an extra edge since starting.
Bell' grabbing the headlines, but Mainoo is just as important in my view, and will come into it more, as long as Eng survive
posted on 2/7/24
Pickford,
Stones,
Rice,
Bellingham,
Kane,
Shaw
All more important than maino. He personally played well the other day, my motm, but the team was still crap on the hole and bellinghams one moment of magic put us through
posted on 2/7/24
Mainoo has been the player of the tournament so far.
I believe he will win the Ballon D'or next season.
Bookmark this.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Kobra (U19849)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 55 seconds ago
Good to see the OP take a break from promoting racist political platforms in favour of tedious wummery. Personal growth is always possible.
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Yeah i'm racist yet here I am praising Kobbie Mainoo who's an ethnic minority.
Racist because I am a member of Reform UK and our biggest donor is a practising Muslim whom we all adore.
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Genuinely who is this Muslim?
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd11xxn833yo
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
posted on 2/7/24
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
------------------------------------------------------------
Precisely. People of colour who advocate for racist policies are extremely useful to the radical right.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 55 seconds ago
Good to see the OP take a break from promoting racist political platforms in favour of tedious wummery. Personal growth is always possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah i'm racist yet here I am praising Kobbie Mainoo who's an ethnic minority.
Racist because I am a member of Reform UK and our biggest donor is a practising Muslim whom we all adore.
Definitely racist though
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah, the old "I have brown-skinned friends" refutation. But reread my comment and you'll notice that I didn't call you a racist: I observed that you promoted a party that has a racist platform, which is objectively true. Reform UK demonises migrants by massively overstating and often lying about the impact of immigration, which proposes to scrap the legislation which has protected ethnic minorities from deliberate and explicit discrimination, and which has selected a swathe of candidates who have expressed overtly racist and sometimes fascist views.
(I'd better copy this answer in case you delete my comment like you did last time.)
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Reform UK is not a racist party. Simple as that. We have plenty of Muslim members, plenty of black members etc... you need to try harder mate. Any racism is not welcome in Reform.
The candidates who made racist remarks were just stooges, in fact one was a paid actor, so try harder.
Also why is it only Reform who get massive media exposure over 'candidates' acting up? Labour and Conservative have both had the same issues, but their candidates actually were racist and not paid actors like the Reform one.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 26 seconds ago
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
------------------------------------------------------------
Precisely. People of colour who advocate for racist policies are extremely useful to the radical right.
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There is no racism allowed in the party. It literally couldn't be clearer. We love people of all backgrounds. They are also welcome in the party and are members
posted on 2/7/24
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 26 seconds ago
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
------------------------------------------------------------
Precisely. People of colour who advocate for racist policies are extremely useful to the radical right.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no racism allowed in the party. It literally couldn't be clearer. We love people of all backgrounds. They are also welcome in the party and are members
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 2/7/24
There is no Mainoo in Team.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 minutes ago
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the overall immigration numbers are much, much higher, the numbers of asylum seekers and illegal immigrations alone are the same as our total net figures prior to 1997.
It’s not a tiny trickle just because the total numbers are astronomical. You’re being as reductive as they are inflammatory RR. Both need to be discussed sensibly and controlled fairly.
posted on 2/7/24
Sat Nav and Culer text each other to make sure they’re not wearing similar clothes at Reform meetings.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 26 seconds ago
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
------------------------------------------------------------
Precisely. People of colour who advocate for racist policies are extremely useful to the radical right.
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There is no racism allowed in the party. It literally couldn't be clearer. We love people of all backgrounds. They are also welcome in the party and are members
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Reform is just the BNP in tweed. Don't pretend otherwise.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
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We aren't capturing a racist vote. Actors who are hired by C4 to be fake racist candidates don't make your claims real.
There's a reason we are growing exponentially and that's because people are tired of politicians who lie through their teeth like Sunak and Starmer.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 minutes ago
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the overall immigration numbers are much, much higher, the numbers of asylum seekers and illegal immigrations alone are the same as our total net figures prior to 1997.
It’s not a tiny trickle just because the total numbers are astronomical. You’re being as reductive as they are inflammatory RR. Both need to be discussed sensibly and controlled fairly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RedRussian thinks the English Channel is a kid's paddling pool.
Immigration and illegal immigration is simply out of control. That is a statement of fact.
We need to control it and we need mass deportations to rid us of the illegals that are currently here.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 26 seconds ago
We are a racist party yet we welcome Muslims, as well as minorities and people of different faiths.
------------------------------------------------------------
Precisely. People of colour who advocate for racist policies are extremely useful to the radical right.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no racism allowed in the party. It literally couldn't be clearer. We love people of all backgrounds. They are also welcome in the party and are members
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Reform is just the BNP in tweed. Don't pretend otherwise.
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Another complete myth. It's hilarious how many people want to shout out that we are all racists, yet provide zero evidence.
Our biggest donor is Muslim, so we're racist.
We have thousands of black members, so we're racist
We have thousands of brown-skinned members, so we're racist.
Try harder Mr Corbyn
posted on 2/7/24
Your own party members say it’s full of racists
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 minutes ago
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the overall immigration numbers are much, much higher, the numbers of asylum seekers and illegal immigrations alone are the same as our total net figures prior to 1997.
It’s not a tiny trickle just because the total numbers are astronomical. You’re being as reductive as they are inflammatory RR. Both need to be discussed sensibly and controlled fairly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RedRussian thinks the English Channel is a kid's paddling pool.
Immigration and illegal immigration is simply out of control. That is a statement of fact.
We need to control it and we need mass deportations to rid us of the illegals that are currently here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the same time, you cannot deny the amplified rhetoric employed by parties such as reform. They wind people up to the point where people blame foreign looking people.
RR doesn't think it's a kiddy pool - he just finds the rhetoric abhorrent, as do I.
This is an important matter to discuss and the far right and the far left muddy the conversation far too much.
This is an economic & infrastructure matter for me; the numbers cannot continue without serious investment into housing and services, investment that would have to be at levels that would cripple us economically. Plus it takes a lot time to build infrastructure and services.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 44 seconds ago
Your own party members say it’s full of racists
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No they don't. Tory stooges pretending to defect, trying to de-rail a party by telling lies doesn't make something true.
posted on 2/7/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 minutes ago
Like many far right parties that aspire to mainstream appeal, Reform understands that it needs to superficially denounce overt race-hate. But its policy platform is based around the central principle of arguing (contrary to evidence) that immigration is harmful and that stopping it is key to solving the country's material and moral problems. It lies about the impact of migration. It encourages the country to fixate on what is a tiny trickle (relative to our population size and impact on our economy) of asylum seekers entering the country as a national crisis and an invasion. Why would a cuddly, inclusive party that loves ethnic diversity turn out to have candidate after candidate, activist after activist, who turns out to harbour overtly racist and authoritarian views? Why is Reform so successful in capturing the racist vote?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the overall immigration numbers are much, much higher, the numbers of asylum seekers and illegal immigrations alone are the same as our total net figures prior to 1997.
It’s not a tiny trickle just because the total numbers are astronomical. You’re being as reductive as they are inflammatory RR. Both need to be discussed sensibly and controlled fairly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RedRussian thinks the English Channel is a kid's paddling pool.
Immigration and illegal immigration is simply out of control. That is a statement of fact.
We need to control it and we need mass deportations to rid us of the illegals that are currently here.
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At the same time, you cannot deny the amplified rhetoric employed by parties such as reform. They wind people up to the point where people blame foreign looking people.
RR doesn't think it's a kiddy pool - he just finds the rhetoric abhorrent, as do I.
This is an important matter to discuss and the far right and the far left muddy the conversation far too much.
This is an economic & infrastructure matter for me; the numbers cannot continue without serious investment into housing and services, investment that would have to be at levels that would cripple us economically. Plus it takes a lot time to build infrastructure and services.
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We don't over-estimate immigration. What we say is true.
We also aren't anti-immigration either. I don't want a country that nobody is allowed to move to and live. We just need to scrutinize exactly who is coming here and why. A points/class based system is exactly what we need.
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