comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 27 minutes ago
There can't be many players that two top clubs have decided to let go, and they go on to be a success at a third.
I don't watch Bundesliga so don't know how he's done but at the most simplistic level it surely must be a concern that Juve and Bayern were/are happy to see him leave?
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I’m not the biggest fan, but I don’t think this is quite the case. He’s been the main cb at both clubs, but it’s my understanding it’s been a financial decision for both clubs more than anything.
Juve because they were in the shiiiit financially, he was on massive wages and Bayern offered a huge fee.
With Bayern it looks like they’re having a big squad revamp, reducing their upper limit of their wage bill, and he’s a saleable asset on huge wages that they’re willing to sacrifice to achieve that.
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You might be right and he's just the unlucky player who has been sacrificed twice by teams need to cut costs.
Thanks to the wonder of chatgpt that certainly makes sense for Juve, he was the 2nd highest earner there in his last season (albeit way behind CR).
Bayern though, 9th highest earner. So the willingness to sacrifice him is perhaps less obvious financially.
Not a fan of this at all. Doesn’t seem to be a “best in class” deal by Ineos…
Poor form leading to being offloaded by both Juve and now Bayern.
Injury prone.
Not the tallest, although decent in the air, we need a CB who is dominant in the air due to Martinez.
On very high wages despite poor performances.
Will command a sizeable fee I feel can be used more effectively.
Should be in prime years, can’t even break into an average Dutch side.
Seems like more of the same - team see United coming, and rub their hands.
Was hoping for a Yoro, Todibo - even Calafiorie would be more inspiring.
Sigh.
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 26 minutes ago
Not a fan of this at all. Doesn’t seem to be a “best in class” deal by Ineos…
Poor form leading to being offloaded by both Juve and now Bayern.
Injury prone.
Not the tallest, although decent in the air, we need a CB who is dominant in the air due to Martinez.
On very high wages despite poor performances.
Will command a sizeable fee I feel can be used more effectively.
Should be in prime years, can’t even break into an average Dutch side.
Seems like more of the same - team see United coming, and rub their hands.
Was hoping for a Yoro, Todibo - even Calafiorie would be more inspiring.
Sigh.
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You are right. He should just give up football and sell cheese - absolutely nothing going for him.
seems like very lazy scouting to me:
Dutch ✅
Played under ETH ✅
Big name signing ✅
Good FIFA 24 rating ✅
He was bought for £57m 2 years ago on a 5 year deal so you'd expect Bayern to want minimum £35m to avoid a book value loss, and if you got him for that money he'd be a good signing but just don't think he's top level or will now evolve into top level. He's young-ish but doesnt seem like one for the future as he's kinda already peaked.
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 27 minutes ago
There can't be many players that two top clubs have decided to let go, and they go on to be a success at a third.
I don't watch Bundesliga so don't know how he's done but at the most simplistic level it surely must be a concern that Juve and Bayern were/are happy to see him leave?
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I’m not the biggest fan, but I don’t think this is quite the case. He’s been the main cb at both clubs, but it’s my understanding it’s been a financial decision for both clubs more than anything.
Juve because they were in the shiiiit financially, he was on massive wages and Bayern offered a huge fee.
With Bayern it looks like they’re having a big squad revamp, reducing their upper limit of their wage bill, and he’s a saleable asset on huge wages that they’re willing to sacrifice to achieve that.
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You might be right and he's just the unlucky player who has been sacrificed twice by teams need to cut costs.
Thanks to the wonder of chatgpt that certainly makes sense for Juve, he was the 2nd highest earner there in his last season (albeit way behind CR).
Bayern though, 9th highest earner. So the willingness to sacrifice him is perhaps less obvious financially.
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Not when you consider that Bayern are trying to get rid of the majority of those high earners/have them reduce their wages on new terms.
And given he’s supposedly earning around €300k per week, and the difference between him and the second highest earner is about €5m, with Kane being the significant higher earner in the squad, I don’t think it really disputes the point about the financial decision due to framing it the point that way.
Then with his transfer fee he’s costing them about €30m a year on the books.
Kilman to West Ham from Wolves for £40m. Should we have been in for him?
Know he was rated pretty highly earlier on bi's career
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 27 minutes ago
There can't be many players that two top clubs have decided to let go, and they go on to be a success at a third.
I don't watch Bundesliga so don't know how he's done but at the most simplistic level it surely must be a concern that Juve and Bayern were/are happy to see him leave?
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I’m not the biggest fan, but I don’t think this is quite the case. He’s been the main cb at both clubs, but it’s my understanding it’s been a financial decision for both clubs more than anything.
Juve because they were in the shiiiit financially, he was on massive wages and Bayern offered a huge fee.
With Bayern it looks like they’re having a big squad revamp, reducing their upper limit of their wage bill, and he’s a saleable asset on huge wages that they’re willing to sacrifice to achieve that.
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You might be right and he's just the unlucky player who has been sacrificed twice by teams need to cut costs.
Thanks to the wonder of chatgpt that certainly makes sense for Juve, he was the 2nd highest earner there in his last season (albeit way behind CR).
Bayern though, 9th highest earner. So the willingness to sacrifice him is perhaps less obvious financially.
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Not when you consider that Bayern are trying to get rid of the majority of those high earners/have them reduce their wages on new terms.
And given he’s supposedly earning around €300k per week, and the difference between him and the second highest earner is about €5m, with Kane being the significant higher earner in the squad, I don’t think it really disputes the point about the financial decision due to framing it the point that way.
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I guess we'll see by the end of the transfer window whether he's the only one Bayern move on or whether there are others.
The guy is clearly a talent, he looked fantastic in that Ajax team and his ability has persuaded two big teams to invest big money in him.
But it's not a great look being the sacrificed player twice. He's either really unlucky or it's something else.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 4 minutes ago
Kilman to West Ham from Wolves for £40m. Should we have been in for him?
Know he was rated pretty highly earlier on bi's career
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No. Decent PL CB, nothing more.
I think it’s a case of him just not being worth the money that the clubs have invested in him. He’s been a very costly investment for both clubs.
Looking at Bayern’s highest earners, they’ll struggle to get much money for them due to their wages, injury problems and age.
Probably why there’s a chance Kimmich might leave as well, despite being such an important player for them over the years. They’ve facked themselves over a bit in recent years with their squad building, looks like that’s why they’re trying to have a clear out over the next couple of years.
I don’t think he’s that grate, by the way. Just making the point that there are some clear financial reasons for why Juve and now Bayern have looked to sell.
Now we’re supposedly after a Dutch keeper coach, lol.
Burnley goalkeeper coach that was set to join Ajax agreed months back, been ‘poached’ and joins us.
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posted on 4/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 27 minutes ago
There can't be many players that two top clubs have decided to let go, and they go on to be a success at a third.
I don't watch Bundesliga so don't know how he's done but at the most simplistic level it surely must be a concern that Juve and Bayern were/are happy to see him leave?
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I’m not the biggest fan, but I don’t think this is quite the case. He’s been the main cb at both clubs, but it’s my understanding it’s been a financial decision for both clubs more than anything.
Juve because they were in the shiiiit financially, he was on massive wages and Bayern offered a huge fee.
With Bayern it looks like they’re having a big squad revamp, reducing their upper limit of their wage bill, and he’s a saleable asset on huge wages that they’re willing to sacrifice to achieve that.
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You might be right and he's just the unlucky player who has been sacrificed twice by teams need to cut costs.
Thanks to the wonder of chatgpt that certainly makes sense for Juve, he was the 2nd highest earner there in his last season (albeit way behind CR).
Bayern though, 9th highest earner. So the willingness to sacrifice him is perhaps less obvious financially.
posted on 4/7/24
Not a fan of this at all. Doesn’t seem to be a “best in class” deal by Ineos…
Poor form leading to being offloaded by both Juve and now Bayern.
Injury prone.
Not the tallest, although decent in the air, we need a CB who is dominant in the air due to Martinez.
On very high wages despite poor performances.
Will command a sizeable fee I feel can be used more effectively.
Should be in prime years, can’t even break into an average Dutch side.
Seems like more of the same - team see United coming, and rub their hands.
Was hoping for a Yoro, Todibo - even Calafiorie would be more inspiring.
Sigh.
posted on 4/7/24
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 26 minutes ago
Not a fan of this at all. Doesn’t seem to be a “best in class” deal by Ineos…
Poor form leading to being offloaded by both Juve and now Bayern.
Injury prone.
Not the tallest, although decent in the air, we need a CB who is dominant in the air due to Martinez.
On very high wages despite poor performances.
Will command a sizeable fee I feel can be used more effectively.
Should be in prime years, can’t even break into an average Dutch side.
Seems like more of the same - team see United coming, and rub their hands.
Was hoping for a Yoro, Todibo - even Calafiorie would be more inspiring.
Sigh.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are right. He should just give up football and sell cheese - absolutely nothing going for him.
posted on 4/7/24
seems like very lazy scouting to me:
Dutch ✅
Played under ETH ✅
Big name signing ✅
Good FIFA 24 rating ✅
He was bought for £57m 2 years ago on a 5 year deal so you'd expect Bayern to want minimum £35m to avoid a book value loss, and if you got him for that money he'd be a good signing but just don't think he's top level or will now evolve into top level. He's young-ish but doesnt seem like one for the future as he's kinda already peaked.
posted on 4/7/24
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 27 minutes ago
There can't be many players that two top clubs have decided to let go, and they go on to be a success at a third.
I don't watch Bundesliga so don't know how he's done but at the most simplistic level it surely must be a concern that Juve and Bayern were/are happy to see him leave?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not the biggest fan, but I don’t think this is quite the case. He’s been the main cb at both clubs, but it’s my understanding it’s been a financial decision for both clubs more than anything.
Juve because they were in the shiiiit financially, he was on massive wages and Bayern offered a huge fee.
With Bayern it looks like they’re having a big squad revamp, reducing their upper limit of their wage bill, and he’s a saleable asset on huge wages that they’re willing to sacrifice to achieve that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You might be right and he's just the unlucky player who has been sacrificed twice by teams need to cut costs.
Thanks to the wonder of chatgpt that certainly makes sense for Juve, he was the 2nd highest earner there in his last season (albeit way behind CR).
Bayern though, 9th highest earner. So the willingness to sacrifice him is perhaps less obvious financially.
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Not when you consider that Bayern are trying to get rid of the majority of those high earners/have them reduce their wages on new terms.
And given he’s supposedly earning around €300k per week, and the difference between him and the second highest earner is about €5m, with Kane being the significant higher earner in the squad, I don’t think it really disputes the point about the financial decision due to framing it the point that way.
posted on 4/7/24
Then with his transfer fee he’s costing them about €30m a year on the books.
posted on 4/7/24
Kilman to West Ham from Wolves for £40m. Should we have been in for him?
Know he was rated pretty highly earlier on bi's career
posted on 4/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 27 minutes ago
There can't be many players that two top clubs have decided to let go, and they go on to be a success at a third.
I don't watch Bundesliga so don't know how he's done but at the most simplistic level it surely must be a concern that Juve and Bayern were/are happy to see him leave?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not the biggest fan, but I don’t think this is quite the case. He’s been the main cb at both clubs, but it’s my understanding it’s been a financial decision for both clubs more than anything.
Juve because they were in the shiiiit financially, he was on massive wages and Bayern offered a huge fee.
With Bayern it looks like they’re having a big squad revamp, reducing their upper limit of their wage bill, and he’s a saleable asset on huge wages that they’re willing to sacrifice to achieve that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You might be right and he's just the unlucky player who has been sacrificed twice by teams need to cut costs.
Thanks to the wonder of chatgpt that certainly makes sense for Juve, he was the 2nd highest earner there in his last season (albeit way behind CR).
Bayern though, 9th highest earner. So the willingness to sacrifice him is perhaps less obvious financially.
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Not when you consider that Bayern are trying to get rid of the majority of those high earners/have them reduce their wages on new terms.
And given he’s supposedly earning around €300k per week, and the difference between him and the second highest earner is about €5m, with Kane being the significant higher earner in the squad, I don’t think it really disputes the point about the financial decision due to framing it the point that way.
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I guess we'll see by the end of the transfer window whether he's the only one Bayern move on or whether there are others.
The guy is clearly a talent, he looked fantastic in that Ajax team and his ability has persuaded two big teams to invest big money in him.
But it's not a great look being the sacrificed player twice. He's either really unlucky or it's something else.
posted on 4/7/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 4 minutes ago
Kilman to West Ham from Wolves for £40m. Should we have been in for him?
Know he was rated pretty highly earlier on bi's career
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No. Decent PL CB, nothing more.
posted on 4/7/24
I think it’s a case of him just not being worth the money that the clubs have invested in him. He’s been a very costly investment for both clubs.
Looking at Bayern’s highest earners, they’ll struggle to get much money for them due to their wages, injury problems and age.
Probably why there’s a chance Kimmich might leave as well, despite being such an important player for them over the years. They’ve facked themselves over a bit in recent years with their squad building, looks like that’s why they’re trying to have a clear out over the next couple of years.
posted on 4/7/24
I don’t think he’s that grate, by the way. Just making the point that there are some clear financial reasons for why Juve and now Bayern have looked to sell.
posted on 4/7/24
Now we’re supposedly after a Dutch keeper coach, lol.
posted on 5/7/24
Burnley goalkeeper coach that was set to join Ajax agreed months back, been ‘poached’ and joins us.
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