it's so boring - just human pinball
playing for a set piece
playing for penalties
stutter step penalties rampant and allowed
ET has been a giant timewaste
The enlarged tournament hasn't helped. The extra game, more weak sides getting through to the knockouts and then basically just trying to hold out for a draw. A few exceptions of course but not many.
But then add in that right now there are few genuine stars either. Football is just in a slump right now and the game is based around athleticism more than anything else these days.
And as you said, most of the bigger.nations are just poorer than usual. England have never been great but never this bad either, France awful, Germany about as bad as they have ever been, Portugal managed by a oub manager. Spain the standout here but even they are not even close to their side of ten years ago.
What was strange was the 4 teams to dominate XG in the QF’s went out. It is better to play bad and win these days. Sort of reminds me of 11-12 Chelsea high efficiency side, just score with the few shots on target you manage and win cup competitions and when you concede chances you get away with it.
Things are not as bad at the euros as you all are making out.
The Netherlands/Turkey match was pretty good. The England/Switzerland match had a decent first half.
Spain v Germany also a good match.
You are watching technical football focussed on not losing.
If you don't understand it, don't watch.
Players are knackered, expectations too high, they are not machines
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Things are not as bad at the euros as you all are making out.
The Netherlands/Turkey match was pretty good. The England/Switzerland match had a decent first half.
Spain v Germany also a good match.
You are watching technical football focussed on not losing.
If you don't understand it, don't watch.
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'England/Switzerland match had a decent first half'- a decent first half with no shots on target for either team?
You realise that you have pointed to three matches out of the 48 which have happened so far (although you could have included the Georgia match when they won 2:0).
The tournament hasn't been exciting. Yes, we could choose not to watch, and that's largely what I have been doing, especially when I turn on the game for entertainment and after 20 minutes realise that it is not. Sure, teams are playing to win (that's the main point, but along the way the game has forgotten that it's also about entertainment. There's no way I could get my kids interested in football via the Euros, not in the same way I got interested in the game as a child via Euro 96.
Euros are always this bad
3 out 4 QF's have been a snooze fest but there were plenty of good games in the groups and round of 16.
Just shows how much is on the line and how much teams do not want to lose.
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
Things are not as bad at the euros as you all are making out.
The Netherlands/Turkey match was pretty good. The England/Switzerland match had a decent first half.
Spain v Germany also a good match.
You are watching technical football focussed on not losing.
If you don't understand it, don't watch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s funny when people try to put themselves as superior on here. ‘If you don’t understand it’…… Everyone understands it, it doesn’t make it any less dull to watch. Eejit.
I have enjoyed watching teams like Georgia and Turkey, they deserve credit even though we knew they probably wouldn't win .Out of the so called big six, Spain are the only ones that have been good to watch,and I expect that they will win the final, but you never know !
Bad or boring or not it’s still better than the PL
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
I have enjoyed watching teams like Georgia and Turkey, they deserve credit even though we knew they probably wouldn't win .Out of the so called big six, Spain are the only ones that have been good to watch,and I expect that they will win the final, but you never know !
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Turkey have been surprisingly entertaining
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 11 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
Things are not as bad at the euros as you all are making out.
The Netherlands/Turkey match was pretty good. The England/Switzerland match had a decent first half.
Spain v Germany also a good match.
You are watching technical football focussed on not losing.
If you don't understand it, don't watch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s funny when people try to put themselves as superior on here. ‘If you don’t understand it’…… Everyone understands it, it doesn’t make it any less dull to watch. Eejit.
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well, if you read this thread, there are enough positives.
As I said, the smart people know which matches to watch. The dumb bustards watch what they deserve.
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 12 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
Things are not as bad at the euros as you all are making out.
The Netherlands/Turkey match was pretty good. The England/Switzerland match had a decent first half.
Spain v Germany also a good match.
You are watching technical football focussed on not losing.
If you don't understand it, don't watch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s funny when people try to put themselves as superior on here. ‘If you don’t understand it’…… Everyone understands it, it doesn’t make it any less dull to watch. Eejit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
wehalvetoo remined rselves thatsportis not ‘entertaneme t’ n we halve no eggspectation too b fulfill with watchin it
if i wanna b emtertane, i watch VanderPump Rules ore Bluey
you have no right to expect to be entertained, just as you have no right to expect your team to win
i'd rather be entertained. i watch sport for the rollercoaster it takes you on, and to watch high level skill.
not to watch paint dry waiting for a penalty shoot out.
Clearly two of the worst teams to watch in us and France are doing just enough to get to the end game...
But Spain should win it
And Southgate needs replacing in order to save international football in this country, even if we win it
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
And Southgate needs replacing in order to save international football in this country, even if we win it
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Southgate is emulating the Deschamps model. Stay tight, give away little and bank on one of your elite attackers to win you the game.
France and England are employing the same tactics but getting different results. England are still struggling to keep goals out, but the elite attackers are producing at crucial moments and getting them through. France by contrast have scored 3 goals all tournament - 2 own goals and a penalty, however, defensively they have been brilliant only conceding once - a pen to Lewandowski.
It’s not pretty, but it’s tournament football - managers have faaack all time to work with players so instead create a system they can all adhere to easily - England have been successful because in the big moments they have the better players than the opposition - I think we have better players than the Dutch as well. So it might not be fully tested until the final.
If Southgate leaves and his record is Semis, Final, Quarters, Final - I think it will be a minimum of 50 years before another England manager gets close to that
Footballs been on the downturn for a decade now in terms of quality and skill imo.
Now players or athletes are built for a system and therefore over time look to rely on that system. See Foden as prime example of this. Without the space created by the man city system where he turns and lashes a shot in, hes struggling as he cant really beat too many players once they are set.
Looking at the premier league just as an example, you don't have players like jay jay okocha, petrov, ravinelli, juninho, pedersen, di canio etc throughout the league.
Even players like mata were kind of, mostly by mourinho, cast aside despite what they produced on a regular basis.
Most teams now if not favourites are low block, set, counter. And most bigger teams, due to reliance on tactics rarely have flair players to break down those sides.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Footballs been on the downturn for a decade now in terms of quality and skill imo.
Now players or athletes are built for a system and therefore over time look to rely on that system. See Foden as prime example of this. Without the space created by the man city system where he turns and lashes a shot in, hes struggling as he cant really beat too many players once they are set.
Looking at the premier league just as an example, you don't have players like jay jay okocha, petrov, ravinelli, juninho, pedersen, di canio etc throughout the league.
Even players like mata were kind of, mostly by mourinho, cast aside despite what they produced on a regular basis.
Most teams now if not favourites are low block, set, counter. And most bigger teams, due to reliance on tactics rarely have flair players to break down those sides.
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The game is more strategic, mostly borne out of teams trying to cope with the richer sides - there is no point trying to play Man City lite against Man City - you will win once in a hundred. Spurs bored the life out of City and killed them on the counter pre Ange - Wolves do similar to us.
You still get exceptional players producing things off the cuff though like Mbappe, Messi, Bellingham - those players are heavily compensated for.
It’s not even a new thing, back in 86 Argentina essentially employed 8 defensive players and put Canniggia up with Maradona to produce the goods - they then carried that onto Italia 90 which was the lowest scoring tournament ever - these things are cyclical
the quality of football is higher than it's ever been you just inevitably get bored of the children's game you've been watching for decades. you're also now all probably watching more football than ever before because of the accessibility, and overindulgence is not particularly good for enjoyment.
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 20 minutes ago
the quality of football is higher than it's ever been you just inevitably get bored of the children's game you've been watching for decades. you're also now all probably watching more football than ever before because of the accessibility, and overindulgence is not particularly good for enjoyment.
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There is a definite change in style amongst top international sides though that is definitely more pragmatic.
You don’t get 70/80’s versions of Brazil anymore - look at Neymar, cannot produce at the highest level because you just cut off the supply to him so he has to start deep. Similar with KDB at the Euros - he was getting the ball within 5 yards of the CBs against France after Belgium repeatedly failed to get the ball to him in more advanced positions in the group stage.
Kane has been mostly isolated in the Euros, but has stuck away 2 of the 3 chances he has had the entire time. There is some clamour for Watkins because people think a more mobile forward would create more chances - when in fact they are likely to just never get the ball to him and he will be utilised to just press - defeating the point. Toney is better to come on for Kane as the ball will stick with him.
The games more cerebral these days, the coaches are outstanding at the top levels and the margins are wafer thin - hence why we had 3 out of 4 games go to ET and 2 of those go to penalties.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Footballs been on the downturn for a decade now in terms of quality and skill imo.
Now players or athletes are built for a system and therefore over time look to rely on that system. See Foden as prime example of this. Without the space created by the man city system where he turns and lashes a shot in, hes struggling as he cant really beat too many players once they are set.
Looking at the premier league just as an example, you don't have players like jay jay okocha, petrov, ravinelli, juninho, pedersen, di canio etc throughout the league.
Even players like mata were kind of, mostly by mourinho, cast aside despite what they produced on a regular basis.
Most teams now if not favourites are low block, set, counter. And most bigger teams, due to reliance on tactics rarely have flair players to break down those sides.
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Jay Jay Okocha? Fack me
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posted on 7/7/24
it's so boring - just human pinball
playing for a set piece
playing for penalties
stutter step penalties rampant and allowed
ET has been a giant timewaste
posted on 7/7/24
The enlarged tournament hasn't helped. The extra game, more weak sides getting through to the knockouts and then basically just trying to hold out for a draw. A few exceptions of course but not many.
But then add in that right now there are few genuine stars either. Football is just in a slump right now and the game is based around athleticism more than anything else these days.
And as you said, most of the bigger.nations are just poorer than usual. England have never been great but never this bad either, France awful, Germany about as bad as they have ever been, Portugal managed by a oub manager. Spain the standout here but even they are not even close to their side of ten years ago.
posted on 7/7/24
What was strange was the 4 teams to dominate XG in the QF’s went out. It is better to play bad and win these days. Sort of reminds me of 11-12 Chelsea high efficiency side, just score with the few shots on target you manage and win cup competitions and when you concede chances you get away with it.
posted on 7/7/24
Things are not as bad at the euros as you all are making out.
The Netherlands/Turkey match was pretty good. The England/Switzerland match had a decent first half.
Spain v Germany also a good match.
You are watching technical football focussed on not losing.
If you don't understand it, don't watch.
posted on 7/7/24
Players are knackered, expectations too high, they are not machines
posted on 7/7/24
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Things are not as bad at the euros as you all are making out.
The Netherlands/Turkey match was pretty good. The England/Switzerland match had a decent first half.
Spain v Germany also a good match.
You are watching technical football focussed on not losing.
If you don't understand it, don't watch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
'England/Switzerland match had a decent first half'- a decent first half with no shots on target for either team?
You realise that you have pointed to three matches out of the 48 which have happened so far (although you could have included the Georgia match when they won 2:0).
The tournament hasn't been exciting. Yes, we could choose not to watch, and that's largely what I have been doing, especially when I turn on the game for entertainment and after 20 minutes realise that it is not. Sure, teams are playing to win (that's the main point, but along the way the game has forgotten that it's also about entertainment. There's no way I could get my kids interested in football via the Euros, not in the same way I got interested in the game as a child via Euro 96.
posted on 7/7/24
Euros are always this bad
posted on 7/7/24
3 out 4 QF's have been a snooze fest but there were plenty of good games in the groups and round of 16.
Just shows how much is on the line and how much teams do not want to lose.
posted on 7/7/24
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
Things are not as bad at the euros as you all are making out.
The Netherlands/Turkey match was pretty good. The England/Switzerland match had a decent first half.
Spain v Germany also a good match.
You are watching technical football focussed on not losing.
If you don't understand it, don't watch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s funny when people try to put themselves as superior on here. ‘If you don’t understand it’…… Everyone understands it, it doesn’t make it any less dull to watch. Eejit.
posted on 7/7/24
I have enjoyed watching teams like Georgia and Turkey, they deserve credit even though we knew they probably wouldn't win .Out of the so called big six, Spain are the only ones that have been good to watch,and I expect that they will win the final, but you never know !
posted on 7/7/24
Bad or boring or not it’s still better than the PL
posted on 7/7/24
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
I have enjoyed watching teams like Georgia and Turkey, they deserve credit even though we knew they probably wouldn't win .Out of the so called big six, Spain are the only ones that have been good to watch,and I expect that they will win the final, but you never know !
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Turkey have been surprisingly entertaining
posted on 7/7/24
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 11 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
Things are not as bad at the euros as you all are making out.
The Netherlands/Turkey match was pretty good. The England/Switzerland match had a decent first half.
Spain v Germany also a good match.
You are watching technical football focussed on not losing.
If you don't understand it, don't watch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s funny when people try to put themselves as superior on here. ‘If you don’t understand it’…… Everyone understands it, it doesn’t make it any less dull to watch. Eejit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
well, if you read this thread, there are enough positives.
As I said, the smart people know which matches to watch. The dumb bustards watch what they deserve.
posted on 7/7/24
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be
posted on 7/7/24
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 12 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
Things are not as bad at the euros as you all are making out.
The Netherlands/Turkey match was pretty good. The England/Switzerland match had a decent first half.
Spain v Germany also a good match.
You are watching technical football focussed on not losing.
If you don't understand it, don't watch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s funny when people try to put themselves as superior on here. ‘If you don’t understand it’…… Everyone understands it, it doesn’t make it any less dull to watch. Eejit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 7/7/24
wehalvetoo remined rselves thatsportis not ‘entertaneme t’ n we halve no eggspectation too b fulfill with watchin it
if i wanna b emtertane, i watch VanderPump Rules ore Bluey
posted on 7/7/24
you have no right to expect to be entertained, just as you have no right to expect your team to win
i'd rather be entertained. i watch sport for the rollercoaster it takes you on, and to watch high level skill.
not to watch paint dry waiting for a penalty shoot out.
posted on 8/7/24
Clearly two of the worst teams to watch in us and France are doing just enough to get to the end game...
But Spain should win it
posted on 8/7/24
And Southgate needs replacing in order to save international football in this country, even if we win it
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
And Southgate needs replacing in order to save international football in this country, even if we win it
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Southgate is emulating the Deschamps model. Stay tight, give away little and bank on one of your elite attackers to win you the game.
France and England are employing the same tactics but getting different results. England are still struggling to keep goals out, but the elite attackers are producing at crucial moments and getting them through. France by contrast have scored 3 goals all tournament - 2 own goals and a penalty, however, defensively they have been brilliant only conceding once - a pen to Lewandowski.
It’s not pretty, but it’s tournament football - managers have faaack all time to work with players so instead create a system they can all adhere to easily - England have been successful because in the big moments they have the better players than the opposition - I think we have better players than the Dutch as well. So it might not be fully tested until the final.
If Southgate leaves and his record is Semis, Final, Quarters, Final - I think it will be a minimum of 50 years before another England manager gets close to that
posted on 8/7/24
Footballs been on the downturn for a decade now in terms of quality and skill imo.
Now players or athletes are built for a system and therefore over time look to rely on that system. See Foden as prime example of this. Without the space created by the man city system where he turns and lashes a shot in, hes struggling as he cant really beat too many players once they are set.
Looking at the premier league just as an example, you don't have players like jay jay okocha, petrov, ravinelli, juninho, pedersen, di canio etc throughout the league.
Even players like mata were kind of, mostly by mourinho, cast aside despite what they produced on a regular basis.
Most teams now if not favourites are low block, set, counter. And most bigger teams, due to reliance on tactics rarely have flair players to break down those sides.
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Footballs been on the downturn for a decade now in terms of quality and skill imo.
Now players or athletes are built for a system and therefore over time look to rely on that system. See Foden as prime example of this. Without the space created by the man city system where he turns and lashes a shot in, hes struggling as he cant really beat too many players once they are set.
Looking at the premier league just as an example, you don't have players like jay jay okocha, petrov, ravinelli, juninho, pedersen, di canio etc throughout the league.
Even players like mata were kind of, mostly by mourinho, cast aside despite what they produced on a regular basis.
Most teams now if not favourites are low block, set, counter. And most bigger teams, due to reliance on tactics rarely have flair players to break down those sides.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The game is more strategic, mostly borne out of teams trying to cope with the richer sides - there is no point trying to play Man City lite against Man City - you will win once in a hundred. Spurs bored the life out of City and killed them on the counter pre Ange - Wolves do similar to us.
You still get exceptional players producing things off the cuff though like Mbappe, Messi, Bellingham - those players are heavily compensated for.
It’s not even a new thing, back in 86 Argentina essentially employed 8 defensive players and put Canniggia up with Maradona to produce the goods - they then carried that onto Italia 90 which was the lowest scoring tournament ever - these things are cyclical
posted on 8/7/24
the quality of football is higher than it's ever been you just inevitably get bored of the children's game you've been watching for decades. you're also now all probably watching more football than ever before because of the accessibility, and overindulgence is not particularly good for enjoyment.
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 20 minutes ago
the quality of football is higher than it's ever been you just inevitably get bored of the children's game you've been watching for decades. you're also now all probably watching more football than ever before because of the accessibility, and overindulgence is not particularly good for enjoyment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is a definite change in style amongst top international sides though that is definitely more pragmatic.
You don’t get 70/80’s versions of Brazil anymore - look at Neymar, cannot produce at the highest level because you just cut off the supply to him so he has to start deep. Similar with KDB at the Euros - he was getting the ball within 5 yards of the CBs against France after Belgium repeatedly failed to get the ball to him in more advanced positions in the group stage.
Kane has been mostly isolated in the Euros, but has stuck away 2 of the 3 chances he has had the entire time. There is some clamour for Watkins because people think a more mobile forward would create more chances - when in fact they are likely to just never get the ball to him and he will be utilised to just press - defeating the point. Toney is better to come on for Kane as the ball will stick with him.
The games more cerebral these days, the coaches are outstanding at the top levels and the margins are wafer thin - hence why we had 3 out of 4 games go to ET and 2 of those go to penalties.
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Footballs been on the downturn for a decade now in terms of quality and skill imo.
Now players or athletes are built for a system and therefore over time look to rely on that system. See Foden as prime example of this. Without the space created by the man city system where he turns and lashes a shot in, hes struggling as he cant really beat too many players once they are set.
Looking at the premier league just as an example, you don't have players like jay jay okocha, petrov, ravinelli, juninho, pedersen, di canio etc throughout the league.
Even players like mata were kind of, mostly by mourinho, cast aside despite what they produced on a regular basis.
Most teams now if not favourites are low block, set, counter. And most bigger teams, due to reliance on tactics rarely have flair players to break down those sides.
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Jay Jay Okocha? Fack me
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