Man United, Arsenal and Newcastle.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 41 minutes ago
Imagine if we'd had Le Tiss in the squad during 96 and 98. Could have made the difference in how far we progressed in those tournaments.
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Not sure you would play both Le Tiss and Gazza in same team at 96. At 98, Hoddle would have seen a lot of himself in Le Tiss, but not sure how well he would have managed him. Given he thought Owen wasn't a natural finisher either.
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He doesn't even need to start, just be in the squad like Toney is for this tournament. Then come on for the pens. Obviously we weren't seen as quite as crap at pens back then though. But as I said above, if you had a player like Le Tiss now in the PL who is playing for a lower team, with an excellent pen record, I'd take him for that use alone.
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I'm not saying Le Tiss shouldn't have been in the squad, indeed in a further thread I said he could defo do something in an international tourney, even as an impact sub. But I think it would have taken the right type of manager to get the best out of him - obv Hoddle didn't fancy him
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 27 minutes ago
Has anyone actually SEEN all of these supposed Le Tissier Penalties??? Are we SURE that some of his misses haven't been SCRUBBED from the records???
Always best to do your own research on these things
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This is a wum, yeah??!!! I remember when he retired, everyone was saying what a great pen taker he was, and missed just that one against Forrest. Unless of course we all just made up what we saw / remember .
We should just enjoy what le Tiss was - a truly amazing player with great talent, and enjoy his goals. He had the career which suited him.
Nobody takes a player to a tournament just take penalties when they have a 22 man squad.
Toney’s gone because we have a 26 man squad.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 seconds ago
Nobody takes a player to a tournament just take penalties when they have a 22 man squad.
Toney’s gone because we have a 26 man squad.
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I am sure England could have managed to get him into a 22 man squad, and of course it's not just for pens. You could bring him on with 20 mins to go, and a bit of Le Tiss magic could get you a goal or create a chance or to - the perfect impact sub in many ways. the more I think about it, the more crazy it is that Eng didn't use him more - he would give you something different. Just didn't fit into the mould, and Eng didn't have the right manager to be able to use him
Spurtle’s saying he should have gone for that alone. Le Tiss wasn’t getting in the Euro 96 team with the strikers we had and Gazza, and his fall out with Hoddle meant he wasn’t going to get near the squad. Not taking Gazza to 98 was the bigger issue.
It wasn't just Hoddle though, Venables, Robson and Taylor also ignored him for tournaments. Hoddle is the most documented because he played Le Tissier in that B team game where he got a hatrick.
Sorry I mixed him up with Sutton falling out with Hoddle.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 seconds ago
It wasn't just Hoddle though, Venables, Robson and Taylor also ignored him for tournaments. Hoddle is the most documented because he played Le Tissier in that B team game where he got a hatrick.
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And yet both Hoddle and Venables tried to sign him. Albeit before they were England manager.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 27 minutes ago
Man United, Arsenal and Newcastle.
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Right, so they were the only big teams in that period were they?
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Sorry I mixed him up with Sutton falling out with Hoddle.
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I've heard it said that Hoddle didn't like Le Tissier because he turned him down when he tried to sign him.
Matt le Tissu is the answer
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurtle’s saying he should have gone for that alone. Le Tiss wasn’t getting in the Euro 96 team with the strikers we had and Gazza, and his fall out with Hoddle meant he wasn’t going to get near the squad. Not taking Gazza to 98 was the bigger issue.
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Yeh, if we were struggling for forwards, Le Tiss might have had a better chance. But the competition back then was crazy. There were a lot of quality English forwards back then.
Le Tissu is one of England's most underrated players.
He played for an unfashionable club and didn't want to move
He enjoyed living on the South coast.
comment by Trump 2024- Let's make America great again. (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
Le Tissu is one of England's most underrated players.
He played for an unfashionable club and didn't want to move
He enjoyed living on the South coast.
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Le Tissu ffs. Get grip auto correct
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurtle’s saying he should have gone for that alone. Le Tiss wasn’t getting in the Euro 96 team with the strikers we had and Gazza, and his fall out with Hoddle meant he wasn’t going to get near the squad. Not taking Gazza to 98 was the bigger issue.
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Yeh, if we were struggling for forwards, Le Tiss might have had a better chance. But the competition back then was crazy. There were a lot of quality English forwards back then.
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Feels weird seeing "Le Tiss" and "crazy" so close to one another when the latter isn't describing the former.
Wasting most of our transfer budget on a guy because he doesn’t look at the ball when taking a penalty would be unwise.
Thomas Frank says he’s the best penalty taker in the world and when you can be that cool and not give the keeper any clues on where the balls going it’s such a huge cheat code.
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He didn't give the keeper any clues and the keeper STILL went the right way. Terrible penalty
Toney reminds me of Saha a bit
Think he would be a good signing for anyone for 40-50 million …obviously city don’t need him but reckon all other prem clubs would be interested
He would bag a few for Arsenal
comment by Jordan Love MVP (U9335)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
Wasting most of our transfer budget on a guy because he doesn’t look at the ball when taking a penalty would be unwise.
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But he does have the Prem ability.
I like the look of Zirkzee from the one YouTube video I’ve seen also.
Sign em both!
Matt Le Tissier has been mentioned more times than Ivan Toney on an article entitled ‘Ivan Toney’
comment by 1 Father- 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 5 minutes ago
Matt Le Tissier has been mentioned more times than Ivan Toney on an article entitled ‘Ivan Toney’
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Makes you think.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Le Tiss was probably the best I have seen. Cantona wasn't far behind him though. If you watch a video of his penalties, I think he sends the keeper the wrong was pretty much every time. He would wait until the keeper committed, then go the other way. Fernandes is pretty damn good.
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Did these guys benefit from the stop / start run up before it was banned - I can't remember when it came in? Watching recent ones it feels like it is allowed again? I can't keep up with the IFAB interpretation changes
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by 1 Father- 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 5 minutes ago
Matt Le Tissier has been mentioned more times than Ivan Toney on an article entitled ‘Ivan Toney’
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Makes you think.
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Not sure he's match fit, mate?
Unbelievable he knocked around lower league and what a bargain for Brentford at £5m 3 years ago. Pashed off that Celtic didn't take the plunge but that's our risk averse board sitting on £100m in the bank
Sometimes you got to trust scouting and look at late developers. From afar, United seem straightjacketed by reaction to signing anything remotely punt worthy when a) they can well afford a few b) it says they distrust development risk more than they fear galactico failure c) amazingly seen unable to replicate the talent ID processes of Brentford, Brighton, Dortmund, Leipzig & others?
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posted on 8/7/24
Man United, Arsenal and Newcastle.
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 41 minutes ago
Imagine if we'd had Le Tiss in the squad during 96 and 98. Could have made the difference in how far we progressed in those tournaments.
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Not sure you would play both Le Tiss and Gazza in same team at 96. At 98, Hoddle would have seen a lot of himself in Le Tiss, but not sure how well he would have managed him. Given he thought Owen wasn't a natural finisher either.
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He doesn't even need to start, just be in the squad like Toney is for this tournament. Then come on for the pens. Obviously we weren't seen as quite as crap at pens back then though. But as I said above, if you had a player like Le Tiss now in the PL who is playing for a lower team, with an excellent pen record, I'd take him for that use alone.
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I'm not saying Le Tiss shouldn't have been in the squad, indeed in a further thread I said he could defo do something in an international tourney, even as an impact sub. But I think it would have taken the right type of manager to get the best out of him - obv Hoddle didn't fancy him
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 27 minutes ago
Has anyone actually SEEN all of these supposed Le Tissier Penalties??? Are we SURE that some of his misses haven't been SCRUBBED from the records???
Always best to do your own research on these things
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This is a wum, yeah??!!! I remember when he retired, everyone was saying what a great pen taker he was, and missed just that one against Forrest. Unless of course we all just made up what we saw / remember .
We should just enjoy what le Tiss was - a truly amazing player with great talent, and enjoy his goals. He had the career which suited him.
posted on 8/7/24
Nobody takes a player to a tournament just take penalties when they have a 22 man squad.
Toney’s gone because we have a 26 man squad.
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 seconds ago
Nobody takes a player to a tournament just take penalties when they have a 22 man squad.
Toney’s gone because we have a 26 man squad.
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I am sure England could have managed to get him into a 22 man squad, and of course it's not just for pens. You could bring him on with 20 mins to go, and a bit of Le Tiss magic could get you a goal or create a chance or to - the perfect impact sub in many ways. the more I think about it, the more crazy it is that Eng didn't use him more - he would give you something different. Just didn't fit into the mould, and Eng didn't have the right manager to be able to use him
posted on 8/7/24
Spurtle’s saying he should have gone for that alone. Le Tiss wasn’t getting in the Euro 96 team with the strikers we had and Gazza, and his fall out with Hoddle meant he wasn’t going to get near the squad. Not taking Gazza to 98 was the bigger issue.
posted on 8/7/24
It wasn't just Hoddle though, Venables, Robson and Taylor also ignored him for tournaments. Hoddle is the most documented because he played Le Tissier in that B team game where he got a hatrick.
posted on 8/7/24
Sorry I mixed him up with Sutton falling out with Hoddle.
posted on 8/7/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 seconds ago
It wasn't just Hoddle though, Venables, Robson and Taylor also ignored him for tournaments. Hoddle is the most documented because he played Le Tissier in that B team game where he got a hatrick.
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And yet both Hoddle and Venables tried to sign him. Albeit before they were England manager.
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 27 minutes ago
Man United, Arsenal and Newcastle.
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Right, so they were the only big teams in that period were they?
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Sorry I mixed him up with Sutton falling out with Hoddle.
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I've heard it said that Hoddle didn't like Le Tissier because he turned him down when he tried to sign him.
posted on 8/7/24
Matt le Tissu is the answer
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurtle’s saying he should have gone for that alone. Le Tiss wasn’t getting in the Euro 96 team with the strikers we had and Gazza, and his fall out with Hoddle meant he wasn’t going to get near the squad. Not taking Gazza to 98 was the bigger issue.
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Yeh, if we were struggling for forwards, Le Tiss might have had a better chance. But the competition back then was crazy. There were a lot of quality English forwards back then.
posted on 8/7/24
Le Tissu is one of England's most underrated players.
He played for an unfashionable club and didn't want to move
He enjoyed living on the South coast.
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Trump 2024- Let's make America great again. (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
Le Tissu is one of England's most underrated players.
He played for an unfashionable club and didn't want to move
He enjoyed living on the South coast.
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Le Tissu ffs. Get grip auto correct
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurtle’s saying he should have gone for that alone. Le Tiss wasn’t getting in the Euro 96 team with the strikers we had and Gazza, and his fall out with Hoddle meant he wasn’t going to get near the squad. Not taking Gazza to 98 was the bigger issue.
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Yeh, if we were struggling for forwards, Le Tiss might have had a better chance. But the competition back then was crazy. There were a lot of quality English forwards back then.
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Feels weird seeing "Le Tiss" and "crazy" so close to one another when the latter isn't describing the former.
posted on 8/7/24
Wasting most of our transfer budget on a guy because he doesn’t look at the ball when taking a penalty would be unwise.
posted on 8/7/24
Thomas Frank says he’s the best penalty taker in the world and when you can be that cool and not give the keeper any clues on where the balls going it’s such a huge cheat code.
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He didn't give the keeper any clues and the keeper STILL went the right way. Terrible penalty
posted on 8/7/24
Toney reminds me of Saha a bit
Think he would be a good signing for anyone for 40-50 million …obviously city don’t need him but reckon all other prem clubs would be interested
He would bag a few for Arsenal
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Jordan Love MVP (U9335)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
Wasting most of our transfer budget on a guy because he doesn’t look at the ball when taking a penalty would be unwise.
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But he does have the Prem ability.
I like the look of Zirkzee from the one YouTube video I’ve seen also.
Sign em both!
posted on 8/7/24
Matt Le Tissier has been mentioned more times than Ivan Toney on an article entitled ‘Ivan Toney’
posted on 8/7/24
comment by 1 Father- 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 5 minutes ago
Matt Le Tissier has been mentioned more times than Ivan Toney on an article entitled ‘Ivan Toney’
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Makes you think.
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Le Tiss was probably the best I have seen. Cantona wasn't far behind him though. If you watch a video of his penalties, I think he sends the keeper the wrong was pretty much every time. He would wait until the keeper committed, then go the other way. Fernandes is pretty damn good.
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Did these guys benefit from the stop / start run up before it was banned - I can't remember when it came in? Watching recent ones it feels like it is allowed again? I can't keep up with the IFAB interpretation changes
posted on 8/7/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by 1 Father- 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 5 minutes ago
Matt Le Tissier has been mentioned more times than Ivan Toney on an article entitled ‘Ivan Toney’
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Makes you think.
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Not sure he's match fit, mate?
posted on 8/7/24
Unbelievable he knocked around lower league and what a bargain for Brentford at £5m 3 years ago. Pashed off that Celtic didn't take the plunge but that's our risk averse board sitting on £100m in the bank
Sometimes you got to trust scouting and look at late developers. From afar, United seem straightjacketed by reaction to signing anything remotely punt worthy when a) they can well afford a few b) it says they distrust development risk more than they fear galactico failure c) amazingly seen unable to replicate the talent ID processes of Brentford, Brighton, Dortmund, Leipzig & others?
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