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posted on 13/7/24

Clicked on the article link immediately.

Disappointed.

posted on 13/7/24

It’s a pity we can’t shift Lindelof

posted on 13/7/24

comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s a pity we can’t shift Lindelof
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Some Turkish team could yet come in for him. Depends on who we are able to sign and what happens with Maguire.

I'd personally keep Maguire over him anyday.

posted on 13/7/24

Did I see the other day he'd rejected a contract extension, with one year left? If so, €10m is a good outcome. Strengthens the view, too, that we are attempting to bring in two CBs this window.

posted on 13/7/24

Not a bad fee really all things considered.

Should mean we are going to bring in 2 CBs this summer.

posted on 13/7/24

https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1812026137536500046?t=NsILabNgz_BAkEqWUEY_1Q&s=19

posted on 13/7/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s a pity we can’t shift Lindelof
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Some Turkish team could yet come in for him. Depends on who we are able to sign and what happens with Maguire.

I'd personally keep Maguire over him anyday.
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Without question

posted on 13/7/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 minutes ago
https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1812026137536500046?t=NsILabNgz_BAkEqWUEY_1Q&s=19

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Robb and I will be happy if this deal happens.

Personally feel this should have been priority one over Zirkzee. He's a proven scorer in the PL and because of his contract he won't go for silly amounts.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 13/7/24

I’d love Toney, but surely we won’t sign two strikers in one window, given the need for 2x CB and a CM?

posted on 13/7/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 minutes ago
https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1812026137536500046?t=NsILabNgz_BAkEqWUEY_1Q&s=19

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Robb and I will be happy if this deal happens.

Personally feel this should have been priority one over Zirkzee. He's a proven scorer in the PL and because of his contract he won't go for silly amounts.
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Can’t see us going into the season with 3 strikers. That source has become a bs merchant also.

posted on 13/7/24

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
I’d love Toney, but surely we won’t sign two strikers in one window, given the need for 2x CB and a CM?
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And a LB.

€10m for Kambwala is a decent enough fee. It’s a nice profit, and hopefully beyond the buy-back there’s a sell-on clause.

posted on 13/7/24

comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
I’d love Toney, but surely we won’t sign two strikers in one window, given the need for 2x CB and a CM?
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And a LB.

€10m for Kambwala is a decent enough fee. It’s a nice profit, and hopefully beyond the buy-back there’s a sell-on clause.
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I'm rooting for the LB to be Ferdi Kadıoğlu, not least because the usual suspects will get to dismiss him as a Dutch signing (see also Mount, Amrabat).

posted on 13/7/24

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 minutes ago
https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1812026137536500046?t=NsILabNgz_BAkEqWUEY_1Q&s=19

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Robb and I will be happy if this deal happens.

Personally feel this should have been priority one over Zirkzee. He's a proven scorer in the PL and because of his contract he won't go for silly amounts.
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Can’t see us going into the season with 3 strikers. That source has become a bs merchant also.
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Precisely my point. We should have signed Toney.

posted on 13/7/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 minutes ago
https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1812026137536500046?t=NsILabNgz_BAkEqWUEY_1Q&s=19

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Robb and I will be happy if this deal happens.

Personally feel this should have been priority one over Zirkzee. He's a proven scorer in the PL and because of his contract he won't go for silly amounts.
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Can’t see us going into the season with 3 strikers. That source has become a bs merchant also.
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Precisely my point. We should have signed Toney.
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Maybe be at the end of the day he’s still 28 and would cost a lot. He’s a good player but I feel penalties make him look more prolific than he is.

His best PL scoring season from play is 4 more goals than Hojlunds 1st season as 20-21 year old.

posted on 13/7/24

I don’t get wanting to sign Toney, unless they really think Holland isn’t going to cut it.

Huge money, huge wages for Toney, and one of the two of them would be spending upwards of 75% of the season on the bench.

Plus we have very limited funds, plus it isn’t an area where we’re looking for a direct first team upgrade.

I don’t think Ineos will be going for it anyway. Hopefully we’re beyond spending fortunes and dishing out £250k p/w contracts to players on the cusp of their thirties with no resale value.

posted on 13/7/24

*I don’t get people wanting

posted on 13/7/24

If Toney does *really* want to join, he’ll surely accept serving as a rotation option, waive any signing on fee and graciously accept something in the region of £150k p/w.

I very highly doubt that will happen though.

posted on 13/7/24

Define huge money.

Toney has one year on his contract and his reputation has also taken a slight hit of late too because of the betting scandal.

I don't see this deal happening but I wish we'd have put the 42m Euros on Zirkzee towards Toney personally. He's a proven scorer in this league whereas Zirkzee isn't even a proven scorer in an inferior league.

posted on 13/7/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 44 seconds ago
Define huge money.

Toney has one year on his contract and his reputation has also taken a slight hit of late too because of the betting scandal.

I don't see this deal happening but I wish we'd have put the 42m Euros on Zirkzee towards Toney personally. He's a proven scorer in this league whereas Zirkzee isn't even a proven scorer in an inferior league.


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25 goals in 86 games from play in the PL for Toney. I know it’s Brentford but it’s not exactly groundbreaking.

His strength is his link up play which apparently is Zirkzees strength too.

posted on 13/7/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
Define huge money.

Toney has one year on his contract and his reputation has also taken a slight hit of late too because of the betting scandal.

I don't see this deal happening but I wish we'd have put the 42m Euros on Zirkzee towards Toney personally. He's a proven scorer in this league whereas Zirkzee isn't even a proven scorer in an inferior league.

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Probably close to twice the cost of Zirkzee, with a much heftier signing on fee, likely at least double the wages (it has been widely reported that he’s after £250k p/w), and zero resale value by the final two years of his contract.

If it were Zirkzee plus a LB (fees and wages), plus resale value for both players, versus Toney alone, I’d go with the former every day of the week.

How would you set up with Hojlund and Toney both in the side? And if you’re thinking it’s one or the other, how do you reckon that’d go for the party who is sat on the bench every week?

posted on 13/7/24

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 44 seconds ago
Define huge money.

Toney has one year on his contract and his reputation has also taken a slight hit of late too because of the betting scandal.

I don't see this deal happening but I wish we'd have put the 42m Euros on Zirkzee towards Toney personally. He's a proven scorer in this league whereas Zirkzee isn't even a proven scorer in an inferior league.


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25 goals in 86 games from play in the PL for Toney. I know it’s Brentford but it’s not exactly groundbreaking.

His strength is his link up play which apparently is Zirkzees strength too.
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Toney has 39 PL goals.

He averages 1 goal every 2 games for Brentford.


Zirkzee is averaging 1 in 4 in a poorer league.


posted on 13/7/24


There were many who wanted to sign kane last summer for 100 mill. He had a decent season in Germany but now appears to fallen off the cliff form wise with age possibly catching up with him

posted on 13/7/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 44 seconds ago
Define huge money.

Toney has one year on his contract and his reputation has also taken a slight hit of late too because of the betting scandal.

I don't see this deal happening but I wish we'd have put the 42m Euros on Zirkzee towards Toney personally. He's a proven scorer in this league whereas Zirkzee isn't even a proven scorer in an inferior league.


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25 goals in 86 games from play in the PL for Toney. I know it’s Brentford but it’s not exactly groundbreaking.

His strength is his link up play which apparently is Zirkzees strength too.
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Toney has 39 PL goals.

He averages 1 goal every 2 games for Brentford.


Zirkzee is averaging 1 in 4 in a poorer league.



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Does Zirkzee takes penalties because that massively boosts Toneys stats? I agree with Rosso. Considering cost an age I’d stay away from Toney.

posted on 13/7/24

comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
Define huge money.

Toney has one year on his contract and his reputation has also taken a slight hit of late too because of the betting scandal.

I don't see this deal happening but I wish we'd have put the 42m Euros on Zirkzee towards Toney personally. He's a proven scorer in this league whereas Zirkzee isn't even a proven scorer in an inferior league.

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Probably close to twice the cost of Zirkzee, with a much heftier signing on fee, likely at least double the wages (it has been widely reported that he’s after £250k p/w), and zero resale value by the final two years of his contract.

If it were Zirkzee plus a LB (fees and wages), plus resale value for both players, versus Toney alone, I’d go with the former every day of the week.

How would you set up with Hojlund and Toney both in the side? And if you’re thinking it’s one or the other, how do you reckon that’d go for the party who is sat on the bench every week?
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Hojlund wouldn't be in my starting 11 in that scenario. Don't think he's close to be ready personally. Our attack last season was so so poor because he wasn't able to bring others into play at all.

Last 3 games of the season we dropped him didn't we and won all 3 games. Says a lot that given we didn't have a replacement for him.

I think Rasmus has something about him but he's miles away from being ready for us and I don't think he was a good use of 72m personally.

posted on 13/7/24

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 44 seconds ago
Define huge money.

Toney has one year on his contract and his reputation has also taken a slight hit of late too because of the betting scandal.

I don't see this deal happening but I wish we'd have put the 42m Euros on Zirkzee towards Toney personally. He's a proven scorer in this league whereas Zirkzee isn't even a proven scorer in an inferior league.


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25 goals in 86 games from play in the PL for Toney. I know it’s Brentford but it’s not exactly groundbreaking.

His strength is his link up play which apparently is Zirkzees strength too.
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Toney has 39 PL goals.

He averages 1 goal every 2 games for Brentford.


Zirkzee is averaging 1 in 4 in a poorer league.



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Does Zirkzee takes penalties because that massively boosts Toneys stats? I agree with Rosso. Considering cost an age I’d stay away from Toney.
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Just think it's interesting you substracted his pens to make your point look better. We don't do this with Haaland, Salah and co do we?

Ivan Toney is currently a much better striker than both Rasmus and Zirkzee in my opinion. I think we'd be a better team with him in it.

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