It's fatigue that leads to muscle injuries, particularly in pre-season when your body hasn't readjusted to the workload. Fatigue is contributed to by long flights with difficulty sleeping in various different time zones etc. It's not like long haul travel causes the injuries but they really don't help.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's fatigue that leads to muscle injuries, particularly in pre-season when your body hasn't readjusted to the workload. Fatigue is contributed to by long flights with difficulty sleeping in various different time zones etc. It's not like long haul travel causes the injuries but they really don't help.
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I think it's just an excuse that gets handed out far too often.
People make out like all these pampered millionaires have to hitch hike to games.
Travelling doesn't help, but PL clubs have all the best facilities, all the expert knowledge and everything you need to avoid injury.
Pre-season tours have been going on for decades. No real difference from going to Austria in 1980s to the US in 2024.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
Travelling doesn't help, but PL clubs have all the best facilities, all the expert knowledge and everything you need to avoid injury.
Pre-season tours have been going on for decades. No real difference from going to Austria in 1980s to the US in 2024.
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Yeah exactly. Players back in the 80's, 90's and 00's weren't all suddenly getting loads of injuries because of pre-season tours.
It's just become an excuse for players getting injured and clubs not managing medical departments correctly.
Simple as.
most of of the players currently on club tours will have had 6 weeks off, 2 or 3 weeks of pre-season before then they start getting minutes in games.
And then for the first 2 or 3 games players ae getting halves of football and gradually building the minutes.
It's not like they flew in last night, jet lagged, aching from the flight, havent kicked a ball in weeks, do a few stretches then into a highly competitive game
It's a mixture of things, not just travelling. It's not very scientific, but there are some players who just seem more susceptible to injury than others, for a whole range of reasons - not just at Utd, at every club.
Hence some players are managed differently to others - I mentioned Giggs elsewhere, but there was also Paul McGrath and his dodgy knees etc. The key thing is that the medical team are aware of this and just don't do the same thing with everyone - of course the basics have to be in place, but pushing some players with certain types of training is probably not a good thing so it is trying to recognise and manage that
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
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Yeah exactly. Players back in the 80's, 90's and 00's weren't all suddenly getting loads of injuries because of pre-season tours.
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Yeah back when players were expected to play through knocks and before other problems could be identified, they also only needed a wet sponge as treatment. its pathetic now that players are properly looked after, can walk after retiring and can play well into their late 30's now.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
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Yeah exactly. Players back in the 80's, 90's and 00's weren't all suddenly getting loads of injuries because of pre-season tours.
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Yeah back when players were expected to play through knocks and before other problems could be identified, they also only needed a wet sponge as treatment. its pathetic now that players are properly looked after, can walk after retiring and can play well into their late 30's now.
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Seems to me that this whole thread is predicated on one massive straw man.
Who has actually said that "Travelling causes players to get injured'?
Don't forget that the game is a lot faster and players are a lot fitter than 'back in the day'. That almost makes them 'more delicate' in terms of injuries, because they are pushing their bodies to a more extreme limit. It's easy to say today's players are just a bunch of lazy ******, but at the highest level they are true athletes, and need to be managed as such
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
Seems to me that this whole thread is predicated on one massive straw man.
Who has actually said that "Travelling causes players to get injured'?
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Mr Bogart hole.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 18 minutes ago
Don't forget that the game is a lot faster and players are a lot fitter than 'back in the day'. That almost makes them 'more delicate' in terms of injuries, because they are pushing their bodies to a more extreme limit. It's easy to say today's players are just a bunch of lazy ******, but at the highest level they are true athletes, and need to be managed as such
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think of it like an engine, the more you fine tune it and try to extract the maximum from it the more fragile and likely it is to breakdown.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 13 minutes ago
Don't forget that the game is a lot faster and players are a lot fitter than 'back in the day'. That almost makes them 'more delicate' in terms of injuries, because they are pushing their bodies to a more extreme limit. It's easy to say today's players are just a bunch of lazy ******, but at the highest level they are true athletes, and need to be managed as such
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Not to mention they are pampered precious millionaires who need someone to help tie their shoe laces up, play football in slippers with studs, wear shin guards the size of a credit card, fall over at the slightest contact, could not enter a pitch without first having had a hair cut and a new tattoo and think playing through pain is being away from their mobile phone for 90 minutes.
typical sharticle from the usual
"Big time myth to me." - created by the OP !
No way we should have made the players walk to the USa. That why they are injured.
Ten hag out
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 34 minutes ago
Seems to me that this whole thread is predicated on one massive straw man.
Who has actually said that "Travelling causes players to get injured'?
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Literally everyone says it and uses it as an excuse for injuries.
Last season apparently our injury crisis was caused by a pre-season tour.
The year that Liverpool collapsed under Klopp, that was blamed by their pre-season tour too.
It's all just excuses. There's no evidence travelling to other countries for pre-season causes an injury pile up.
Did Darren Anderton do a round the world pre-season tour every year then?
If i'm just making it up then explain this:
https://www.fifpro.org/en/supporting-players/health-and-performance/drake-football-study/how-does-travel-fatigue-and-jet-lag-affect-footballers
Literally just last season all the fans here who are saying i've created this myth, are the same fans blaming our injury crisis on the pre-season tour.
Maya Yoshida Travel: 29 May 2018 - 29 September 2022
330,000 kilometres travelled
26,000 minutes travelled
74 trips crossing time zones
8.24 trips around the world
Why does any of the above mean he's more likely to get injured? Those stats above make out like he's been forced to drive that same distance in the back of a mini cooper ffs.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28499536/man-utd-pre-season-us-tour-plans-ten-hag/
Manchester United have reduced travelling and cut back on players' off-pitch appearances for their summer tour of the US following complaints from Erik Ten Hag that last year's gruelling schedule caused their injury crisis.
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 34 minutes ago
Seems to me that this whole thread is predicated on one massive straw man.
Who has actually said that "Travelling causes players to get injured'?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Literally everyone says it and uses it as an excuse for injuries.
Last season apparently our injury crisis was caused by a pre-season tour.
The year that Liverpool collapsed under Klopp, that was blamed by their pre-season tour too.
It's all just excuses. There's no evidence travelling to other countries for pre-season causes an injury pile up.
Did Darren Anderton do a round the world pre-season tour every year then?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
give us a link to one of these many examples please.
it doesnt cause injuries, it can hinder your recovery making you more susceptible to them, how much more susceptible.. I dont know.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 34 minutes ago
Seems to me that this whole thread is predicated on one massive straw man.
Who has actually said that "Travelling causes players to get injured'?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Literally everyone says it and uses it as an excuse for injuries.
Last season apparently our injury crisis was caused by a pre-season tour.
The year that Liverpool collapsed under Klopp, that was blamed by their pre-season tour too.
It's all just excuses. There's no evidence travelling to other countries for pre-season causes an injury pile up.
Did Darren Anderton do a round the world pre-season tour every year then?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
give us a link to one of these many examples please.
it doesnt cause injuries, it can hinder your recovery making you more susceptible to them, how much more susceptible.. I dont know.
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https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/24/man-utd-make-major-pre-season-change-avoid-kobbie-mainoo-injury-blow-21292301/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28499536/man-utd-pre-season-us-tour-plans-ten-hag/
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/klopp-regrets-liverpool-pre-season-tour-asia-fixture-congestion/blt7910fade3149dfb1
There you go.
whodumbtit getting totally schooled again
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 46 seconds ago
whodumbtit getting totally schooled again
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He always does by me. I must say I do find it amusing.
Comes at me with fake news on past articles, begs for me to filter him and now proven completely wrong yet again.
I do like him though, he's not a bad guy tbf.
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posted on 31/7/24
It's fatigue that leads to muscle injuries, particularly in pre-season when your body hasn't readjusted to the workload. Fatigue is contributed to by long flights with difficulty sleeping in various different time zones etc. It's not like long haul travel causes the injuries but they really don't help.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's fatigue that leads to muscle injuries, particularly in pre-season when your body hasn't readjusted to the workload. Fatigue is contributed to by long flights with difficulty sleeping in various different time zones etc. It's not like long haul travel causes the injuries but they really don't help.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it's just an excuse that gets handed out far too often.
People make out like all these pampered millionaires have to hitch hike to games.
posted on 31/7/24
Travelling doesn't help, but PL clubs have all the best facilities, all the expert knowledge and everything you need to avoid injury.
Pre-season tours have been going on for decades. No real difference from going to Austria in 1980s to the US in 2024.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
Travelling doesn't help, but PL clubs have all the best facilities, all the expert knowledge and everything you need to avoid injury.
Pre-season tours have been going on for decades. No real difference from going to Austria in 1980s to the US in 2024.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah exactly. Players back in the 80's, 90's and 00's weren't all suddenly getting loads of injuries because of pre-season tours.
It's just become an excuse for players getting injured and clubs not managing medical departments correctly.
Simple as.
posted on 31/7/24
most of of the players currently on club tours will have had 6 weeks off, 2 or 3 weeks of pre-season before then they start getting minutes in games.
And then for the first 2 or 3 games players ae getting halves of football and gradually building the minutes.
It's not like they flew in last night, jet lagged, aching from the flight, havent kicked a ball in weeks, do a few stretches then into a highly competitive game
posted on 31/7/24
It's a mixture of things, not just travelling. It's not very scientific, but there are some players who just seem more susceptible to injury than others, for a whole range of reasons - not just at Utd, at every club.
Hence some players are managed differently to others - I mentioned Giggs elsewhere, but there was also Paul McGrath and his dodgy knees etc. The key thing is that the medical team are aware of this and just don't do the same thing with everyone - of course the basics have to be in place, but pushing some players with certain types of training is probably not a good thing so it is trying to recognise and manage that
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
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Yeah exactly. Players back in the 80's, 90's and 00's weren't all suddenly getting loads of injuries because of pre-season tours.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah back when players were expected to play through knocks and before other problems could be identified, they also only needed a wet sponge as treatment. its pathetic now that players are properly looked after, can walk after retiring and can play well into their late 30's now.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
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Yeah exactly. Players back in the 80's, 90's and 00's weren't all suddenly getting loads of injuries because of pre-season tours.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah back when players were expected to play through knocks and before other problems could be identified, they also only needed a wet sponge as treatment. its pathetic now that players are properly looked after, can walk after retiring and can play well into their late 30's now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 31/7/24
Seems to me that this whole thread is predicated on one massive straw man.
Who has actually said that "Travelling causes players to get injured'?
posted on 31/7/24
Don't forget that the game is a lot faster and players are a lot fitter than 'back in the day'. That almost makes them 'more delicate' in terms of injuries, because they are pushing their bodies to a more extreme limit. It's easy to say today's players are just a bunch of lazy ******, but at the highest level they are true athletes, and need to be managed as such
posted on 31/7/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
Seems to me that this whole thread is predicated on one massive straw man.
Who has actually said that "Travelling causes players to get injured'?
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Mr Bogart hole.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 18 minutes ago
Don't forget that the game is a lot faster and players are a lot fitter than 'back in the day'. That almost makes them 'more delicate' in terms of injuries, because they are pushing their bodies to a more extreme limit. It's easy to say today's players are just a bunch of lazy ******, but at the highest level they are true athletes, and need to be managed as such
----------------------------------------------------------------------
think of it like an engine, the more you fine tune it and try to extract the maximum from it the more fragile and likely it is to breakdown.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 13 minutes ago
Don't forget that the game is a lot faster and players are a lot fitter than 'back in the day'. That almost makes them 'more delicate' in terms of injuries, because they are pushing their bodies to a more extreme limit. It's easy to say today's players are just a bunch of lazy ******, but at the highest level they are true athletes, and need to be managed as such
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not to mention they are pampered precious millionaires who need someone to help tie their shoe laces up, play football in slippers with studs, wear shin guards the size of a credit card, fall over at the slightest contact, could not enter a pitch without first having had a hair cut and a new tattoo and think playing through pain is being away from their mobile phone for 90 minutes.
posted on 31/7/24
What a weird article.
posted on 31/7/24
typical sharticle from the usual
posted on 31/7/24
"Big time myth to me." - created by the OP !
posted on 31/7/24
No way we should have made the players walk to the USa. That why they are injured.
Ten hag out
posted on 31/7/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 34 minutes ago
Seems to me that this whole thread is predicated on one massive straw man.
Who has actually said that "Travelling causes players to get injured'?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Literally everyone says it and uses it as an excuse for injuries.
Last season apparently our injury crisis was caused by a pre-season tour.
The year that Liverpool collapsed under Klopp, that was blamed by their pre-season tour too.
It's all just excuses. There's no evidence travelling to other countries for pre-season causes an injury pile up.
Did Darren Anderton do a round the world pre-season tour every year then?
posted on 31/7/24
If i'm just making it up then explain this:
https://www.fifpro.org/en/supporting-players/health-and-performance/drake-football-study/how-does-travel-fatigue-and-jet-lag-affect-footballers
Literally just last season all the fans here who are saying i've created this myth, are the same fans blaming our injury crisis on the pre-season tour.
posted on 31/7/24
Maya Yoshida Travel: 29 May 2018 - 29 September 2022
330,000 kilometres travelled
26,000 minutes travelled
74 trips crossing time zones
8.24 trips around the world
Why does any of the above mean he's more likely to get injured? Those stats above make out like he's been forced to drive that same distance in the back of a mini cooper ffs.
posted on 31/7/24
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28499536/man-utd-pre-season-us-tour-plans-ten-hag/
Manchester United have reduced travelling and cut back on players' off-pitch appearances for their summer tour of the US following complaints from Erik Ten Hag that last year's gruelling schedule caused their injury crisis.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 34 minutes ago
Seems to me that this whole thread is predicated on one massive straw man.
Who has actually said that "Travelling causes players to get injured'?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Literally everyone says it and uses it as an excuse for injuries.
Last season apparently our injury crisis was caused by a pre-season tour.
The year that Liverpool collapsed under Klopp, that was blamed by their pre-season tour too.
It's all just excuses. There's no evidence travelling to other countries for pre-season causes an injury pile up.
Did Darren Anderton do a round the world pre-season tour every year then?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
give us a link to one of these many examples please.
it doesnt cause injuries, it can hinder your recovery making you more susceptible to them, how much more susceptible.. I dont know.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 34 minutes ago
Seems to me that this whole thread is predicated on one massive straw man.
Who has actually said that "Travelling causes players to get injured'?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Literally everyone says it and uses it as an excuse for injuries.
Last season apparently our injury crisis was caused by a pre-season tour.
The year that Liverpool collapsed under Klopp, that was blamed by their pre-season tour too.
It's all just excuses. There's no evidence travelling to other countries for pre-season causes an injury pile up.
Did Darren Anderton do a round the world pre-season tour every year then?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
give us a link to one of these many examples please.
it doesnt cause injuries, it can hinder your recovery making you more susceptible to them, how much more susceptible.. I dont know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/24/man-utd-make-major-pre-season-change-avoid-kobbie-mainoo-injury-blow-21292301/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28499536/man-utd-pre-season-us-tour-plans-ten-hag/
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/klopp-regrets-liverpool-pre-season-tour-asia-fixture-congestion/blt7910fade3149dfb1
There you go.
posted on 31/7/24
whodumbtit getting totally schooled again
posted on 31/7/24
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 46 seconds ago
whodumbtit getting totally schooled again
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He always does by me. I must say I do find it amusing.
Comes at me with fake news on past articles, begs for me to filter him and now proven completely wrong yet again.
I do like him though, he's not a bad guy tbf.
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