Yes we do have a problem with knife crime We always have.
Need more police, greater stop and search powers, tougher rules around being caught with one (immediate jail sentence of 12 months minimum) and more prisons to lock all these khants up.
Read this:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/i-tried-help-innocent-man-29620444
The little khant got 5 years ffs. For stabbing an innocent person.
More alarmingly, he plead guilty and has no doubt already been on remand which means he will be walking our streets again probably by next year.
If the authorities were given more power, better laws, and sc*m like him were being given sentences of 8/9/10 years then I think that could make a difference.
Make it a mandatory 20 year sentence, regardless of suspects age, if you murder someone with a knife.
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes we do have a problem with knife crime We always have.
Need more police, greater stop and search powers, tougher rules around being caught with one (immediate jail sentence of 12 months minimum) and more prisons to lock all these khants up.
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Not often I agree with you but bang on the money. All those things need to happen.
We've become a soft touch society and these lads don't fear the police anymore. It's time we went back to people fearing consequences.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes we do have a problem with knife crime We always have.
Need more police, greater stop and search powers, tougher rules around being caught with one (immediate jail sentence of 12 months minimum) and more prisons to lock all these khants up.
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Not often I agree with you but bang on the money. All those things need to happen.
We've become a soft touch society and these lads don't fear the police anymore. It's time we went back to people fearing consequences.
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The problem however is you'll get all the easily offended saying 'oh no you can't do that' and 'well that just isn't fair it's too extreme'
Try telling that to the mother/father/brother/sister/partner/friend of the person who's been stabbed to death.
You shouldn't have to fear the police. That is a fascist type of tactic. You should, however. respect the police.
What you should be fearing is the prison sentence for being caught carrying a knife on the streets.
Hand held x-ray devices for the police are supposed to be in trial by the end of this year. Not sure whether there's any privacy arguments around it but hopefully that will allow police to catch people carrying.
Still need to address the root cause though
Yes, agree VC. We don't want kids fearing the Police as we want them to actually go up to them if there's a crime.
Just a change in law/mindset is needed. If you're carrying a knife then it's an automatic (with very few mitigating factors) sanction.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
You shouldn't have to fear the police. That is a fascist type of tactic. You should, however. respect the police.
What you should be fearing is the prison sentence for being caught carrying a knife on the streets.
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You're right. Badly worded but from the same train of thought.
Respect the police and each other and fear consequences.
The bottom line is our country is weak. A worthless, useless, corrupt Government that panders to criminals and indulges them to commit offences again and again and protects them again once they get out. A shackled police force against emboldened sc .u m that'll happily walk through busy towns with machetes.
That is modern Britain.
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 2 minutes ago
The bottom line is our country is weak. A worthless, useless, corrupt Government that panders to criminals and indulges them to commit offences again and again and protects them again once they get out. A shackled police force against emboldened sc .u m that'll happily walk through busy towns with machetes.
That is modern Britain.
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Yep. We need a government to rattle cages and, in the necessary way, upset people.
Firm conservatism is the answer in my opinion.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
Yes, agree VC. We don't want kids fearing the Police as we want them to actually go up to them if there's a crime.
Just a change in law/mindset is needed. If you're carrying a knife then it's an automatic (with very few mitigating factors) sanction.
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Automatic jail for me.
The only time you should have a knife in your hand is when you’re preparing or eating your dinner or your trade means you need one for work.
Sadly there’s too many people on the streets carrying knives.
People justify this by saying well everyone else is carrying them so I need it for protection,this is bollix
Young males who are carrying a blade and encounter trouble with someone who doesn’t have a knife but can have a row may well be served up with their own knife.
There should be a 5 year custodial sentence for anyone carrying a knife in public but as we all know our prisons are at breaking point.
Unfortunately a lot of kids are carrying because they feel like they need it to protect themselves
https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labours-action-plan-to-cut-knife-crime/
Problem: The reason why kids carry them is because they don't care about getting caught.
Solution: Send them to jail if they get caught carrying. Repeat offenders will be jailed in isolation units.
Can we afford more police? Longer sentences?
Isn't that the issue. If we could then it's an open goal.
What they should do is make prisons more miserable by spending less money on them, designing them to be bleak. These people don't care about going because most of them have been before and it was easy work.
Prisoners that earn it should be used as a workforce for large projects ideally or something else that reduces the strain on the taxpayer elsewhere. Pay their debts literally.
Too many wanna be gangsters that in actuality look pathetic. That Southend video is embarrassing in the extreme, imagine thinking you are some tough kid but then running back and forth aimlessly flailing away with a blade.
The UK is broke so more police simply isn't going to happen.
Prison islands always seemed like a good idea to me, we've got 1000s of islands so surely we can designate a number to deal with prisoners. Categorise them accordingly.
Allow those that earn it to work and live in a society, still not free but much more likely to help in rehabilitation and free labour for the state to use as necessary.
Keep the real bad guys, the lifers, the habitual re-offenders or those that offend on an island in a panopticon.
We had a crackdown in Glasgow 2006. It was a relative success but fear we are back where we were? Jail for carrying. More targeted stop and searches and metal detectors at stations at weekends with 'certain individuals' asked to go through.
These days there will be bleating by lily livered lefties, folk playing racism cards. HR lawyers. That said eradicate poverty and a lot goes away. Make the place fit for purpose and a lot goes away. There will always be residual cvnts that won't be told, however. Jail the cvnts.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
Can we afford more police? Longer sentences?
Isn't that the issue. If we could then it's an open goal.
What they should do is make prisons more miserable by spending less money on them, designing them to be bleak. These people don't care about going because most of them have been before and it was easy work.
Prisoners that earn it should be used as a workforce for large projects ideally or something else that reduces the strain on the taxpayer elsewhere. Pay their debts literally.
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Cost shouldn't even come into it when our kids are being slaughtered in the streets. It should take priority over a lot we spend money on.
I think Policing needs a radical overhaul. More investment, more support from public and governments or this country is only going to get worse.
Does feel like change has to come now. The whole country is furious and scared and I don't just mean the right wing thugs.
Build more prisons. An island prison is a very good idea too.
If you're caught in possession of a knife without good reason, you're going to prison for 12 months minimum even if you plead guilty.
If you're caught, again, in possession of a knife without good reason (having already been jailed for it previously) you're going to jail for 12 months with 3 months in solitary confinement.
If you kill someone with a knife (murder) you're jailed for a minimum of 20 years regardless of your age.
If you're convicted of manslaughter you're jailed for 12 years, with good behavour or a guilty plea factored into how long you serve.
If you're caught selling knives or arming someone with a knife that is going to be used for harm, you're going to prison for a minimum of 3 years. If you do it again and get caught, you're away for a minimum of 5 years. Third time? OK minimum of 10 years.
Get tough on these khants.
Yes we have a problem. The entire criminal justice system is fecked. Knives are a problem but the bigger problem the number of feral youth we have, and worse still the complete failure of our mental health services for young people. The only thing we have going for us is that a psycho teen with a kitchen knife is at least easier to deal with than a psycho teen with an assault rifle.
Make it a mandatory 20 year sentence, regardless of suspects age, if you murder someone with a knife.
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The starting point for murder with a knife or other weapon is already 25 years for an adult and 23 years for a 17 year old.
For the situation in Southport, the sentencing guidelines would be starting at 30 years for someone under 18 and it would likely be a whole-life order if they were over 18
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
Make it a mandatory 20 year sentence, regardless of suspects age, if you murder someone with a knife.
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The starting point for murder with a knife or other weapon is already 25 years for an adult and 23 years for a 17 year old.
For the situation in Southport, the sentencing guidelines would be starting at 30 years for someone under 18 and it would likely be a whole-life order if they were over 18
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure that's the case up here - <25yo get some sort of 'brain not yet developed' free pass for some appalling stuff - don't know the details.
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posted on 31/7/24
Yes we do have a problem with knife crime We always have.
Need more police, greater stop and search powers, tougher rules around being caught with one (immediate jail sentence of 12 months minimum) and more prisons to lock all these khants up.
posted on 31/7/24
Read this:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/i-tried-help-innocent-man-29620444
The little khant got 5 years ffs. For stabbing an innocent person.
More alarmingly, he plead guilty and has no doubt already been on remand which means he will be walking our streets again probably by next year.
If the authorities were given more power, better laws, and sc*m like him were being given sentences of 8/9/10 years then I think that could make a difference.
Make it a mandatory 20 year sentence, regardless of suspects age, if you murder someone with a knife.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes we do have a problem with knife crime We always have.
Need more police, greater stop and search powers, tougher rules around being caught with one (immediate jail sentence of 12 months minimum) and more prisons to lock all these khants up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not often I agree with you but bang on the money. All those things need to happen.
We've become a soft touch society and these lads don't fear the police anymore. It's time we went back to people fearing consequences.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes we do have a problem with knife crime We always have.
Need more police, greater stop and search powers, tougher rules around being caught with one (immediate jail sentence of 12 months minimum) and more prisons to lock all these khants up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not often I agree with you but bang on the money. All those things need to happen.
We've become a soft touch society and these lads don't fear the police anymore. It's time we went back to people fearing consequences.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem however is you'll get all the easily offended saying 'oh no you can't do that' and 'well that just isn't fair it's too extreme'
Try telling that to the mother/father/brother/sister/partner/friend of the person who's been stabbed to death.
posted on 31/7/24
You shouldn't have to fear the police. That is a fascist type of tactic. You should, however. respect the police.
What you should be fearing is the prison sentence for being caught carrying a knife on the streets.
posted on 31/7/24
Hand held x-ray devices for the police are supposed to be in trial by the end of this year. Not sure whether there's any privacy arguments around it but hopefully that will allow police to catch people carrying.
Still need to address the root cause though
posted on 31/7/24
Yes, agree VC. We don't want kids fearing the Police as we want them to actually go up to them if there's a crime.
Just a change in law/mindset is needed. If you're carrying a knife then it's an automatic (with very few mitigating factors) sanction.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
You shouldn't have to fear the police. That is a fascist type of tactic. You should, however. respect the police.
What you should be fearing is the prison sentence for being caught carrying a knife on the streets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're right. Badly worded but from the same train of thought.
Respect the police and each other and fear consequences.
posted on 31/7/24
The bottom line is our country is weak. A worthless, useless, corrupt Government that panders to criminals and indulges them to commit offences again and again and protects them again once they get out. A shackled police force against emboldened sc .u m that'll happily walk through busy towns with machetes.
That is modern Britain.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 2 minutes ago
The bottom line is our country is weak. A worthless, useless, corrupt Government that panders to criminals and indulges them to commit offences again and again and protects them again once they get out. A shackled police force against emboldened sc .u m that'll happily walk through busy towns with machetes.
That is modern Britain.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep. We need a government to rattle cages and, in the necessary way, upset people.
Firm conservatism is the answer in my opinion.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
Yes, agree VC. We don't want kids fearing the Police as we want them to actually go up to them if there's a crime.
Just a change in law/mindset is needed. If you're carrying a knife then it's an automatic (with very few mitigating factors) sanction.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Automatic jail for me.
posted on 31/7/24
The only time you should have a knife in your hand is when you’re preparing or eating your dinner or your trade means you need one for work.
Sadly there’s too many people on the streets carrying knives.
People justify this by saying well everyone else is carrying them so I need it for protection,this is bollix
Young males who are carrying a blade and encounter trouble with someone who doesn’t have a knife but can have a row may well be served up with their own knife.
There should be a 5 year custodial sentence for anyone carrying a knife in public but as we all know our prisons are at breaking point.
posted on 31/7/24
Unfortunately a lot of kids are carrying because they feel like they need it to protect themselves
posted on 31/7/24
https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labours-action-plan-to-cut-knife-crime/
posted on 31/7/24
Problem: The reason why kids carry them is because they don't care about getting caught.
Solution: Send them to jail if they get caught carrying. Repeat offenders will be jailed in isolation units.
posted on 31/7/24
Can we afford more police? Longer sentences?
Isn't that the issue. If we could then it's an open goal.
What they should do is make prisons more miserable by spending less money on them, designing them to be bleak. These people don't care about going because most of them have been before and it was easy work.
Prisoners that earn it should be used as a workforce for large projects ideally or something else that reduces the strain on the taxpayer elsewhere. Pay their debts literally.
posted on 31/7/24
Too many wanna be gangsters that in actuality look pathetic. That Southend video is embarrassing in the extreme, imagine thinking you are some tough kid but then running back and forth aimlessly flailing away with a blade.
posted on 31/7/24
The UK is broke so more police simply isn't going to happen.
posted on 31/7/24
Prison islands always seemed like a good idea to me, we've got 1000s of islands so surely we can designate a number to deal with prisoners. Categorise them accordingly.
Allow those that earn it to work and live in a society, still not free but much more likely to help in rehabilitation and free labour for the state to use as necessary.
Keep the real bad guys, the lifers, the habitual re-offenders or those that offend on an island in a panopticon.
posted on 31/7/24
We had a crackdown in Glasgow 2006. It was a relative success but fear we are back where we were? Jail for carrying. More targeted stop and searches and metal detectors at stations at weekends with 'certain individuals' asked to go through.
These days there will be bleating by lily livered lefties, folk playing racism cards. HR lawyers. That said eradicate poverty and a lot goes away. Make the place fit for purpose and a lot goes away. There will always be residual cvnts that won't be told, however. Jail the cvnts.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
Can we afford more police? Longer sentences?
Isn't that the issue. If we could then it's an open goal.
What they should do is make prisons more miserable by spending less money on them, designing them to be bleak. These people don't care about going because most of them have been before and it was easy work.
Prisoners that earn it should be used as a workforce for large projects ideally or something else that reduces the strain on the taxpayer elsewhere. Pay their debts literally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cost shouldn't even come into it when our kids are being slaughtered in the streets. It should take priority over a lot we spend money on.
I think Policing needs a radical overhaul. More investment, more support from public and governments or this country is only going to get worse.
Does feel like change has to come now. The whole country is furious and scared and I don't just mean the right wing thugs.
posted on 31/7/24
Build more prisons. An island prison is a very good idea too.
If you're caught in possession of a knife without good reason, you're going to prison for 12 months minimum even if you plead guilty.
If you're caught, again, in possession of a knife without good reason (having already been jailed for it previously) you're going to jail for 12 months with 3 months in solitary confinement.
If you kill someone with a knife (murder) you're jailed for a minimum of 20 years regardless of your age.
If you're convicted of manslaughter you're jailed for 12 years, with good behavour or a guilty plea factored into how long you serve.
If you're caught selling knives or arming someone with a knife that is going to be used for harm, you're going to prison for a minimum of 3 years. If you do it again and get caught, you're away for a minimum of 5 years. Third time? OK minimum of 10 years.
Get tough on these khants.
posted on 31/7/24
Yes we have a problem. The entire criminal justice system is fecked. Knives are a problem but the bigger problem the number of feral youth we have, and worse still the complete failure of our mental health services for young people. The only thing we have going for us is that a psycho teen with a kitchen knife is at least easier to deal with than a psycho teen with an assault rifle.
posted on 31/7/24
Make it a mandatory 20 year sentence, regardless of suspects age, if you murder someone with a knife.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The starting point for murder with a knife or other weapon is already 25 years for an adult and 23 years for a 17 year old.
For the situation in Southport, the sentencing guidelines would be starting at 30 years for someone under 18 and it would likely be a whole-life order if they were over 18
posted on 31/7/24
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
Make it a mandatory 20 year sentence, regardless of suspects age, if you murder someone with a knife.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The starting point for murder with a knife or other weapon is already 25 years for an adult and 23 years for a 17 year old.
For the situation in Southport, the sentencing guidelines would be starting at 30 years for someone under 18 and it would likely be a whole-life order if they were over 18
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure that's the case up here - <25yo get some sort of 'brain not yet developed' free pass for some appalling stuff - don't know the details.
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