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posted on 19/8/24

Firstly, are black children living in deprived areas more likely to be involved in drugs? There is a quote from the MET about how they are trying to prevent children in London being involved in the supply of drugs (and knife crime).
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But who consumes the drugs? Most consumers of drugs are white British by far, people who are never hunted by police, and get less than a slap on the wrist when caught when they are just as crucial a cog in the drug problem.

It's weird that black people are harangued, investigated, searched, arrested, charged, sentenced longer than white people for an offence like drug abuse that is far more commonly committed by white people. I don't see anyone calling for special action, crackdowns or long jail times for drug users when they are just as crucial a cog in the drug problem.

All you see is mercy for drug users and how drug use is a disease, not a crime, and government sponsored rehabilitation programs. No rehabilitation for drug dealers, only users, when dealers are usually easier to rehabilitate and fit into society than users as they are usually in it for economic reasons. Users are also in it for economic reasons too though, more much money than they know what to do with.

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Firstly, are black children living in deprived areas more likely to be involved in drugs? There is a quote from the MET about how they are trying to prevent children in London being involved in the supply of drugs (and knife crime).
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But who consumes the drugs? Most consumers of drugs are white British by far, people who are never hunted by police, and get less than a slap on the wrist when caught when they are just as crucial a cog in the drug problem.

It's weird that black people are harangued, investigated, searched, arrested, charged, sentenced longer than white people for an offence like drug abuse that is far more commonly committed by white people. I don't see anyone calling for special action, crackdowns or long jail times for drug users when they are just as crucial a cog in the drug problem.

All you see is mercy for drug users and how drug use is a disease, not a crime, and government sponsored rehabilitation programs. No rehabilitation for drug dealers, only users, when dealers are usually easier to rehabilitate and fit into society than users as they are usually in it for economic reasons. Users are also in it for economic reasons too though, more much money than they know what to do with.
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“ No rehabilitation for drug dealers” there is its called Prison!

posted on 19/8/24

Exactly. Don't forget that actual drug use kills more people than drug supply.

posted on 19/8/24

What do you suggest then? Banning illegal drugs? Can't just cancel something just because you disagree with it. What happened to free slurred speech??

posted on 19/8/24

Pretty much every study on the subject ever says decriminalisation and rehabilitation is the way forward.

Most drug dealers get into dealing to pay for their own habit fwiw.

Also, prison in no way works for these crimes, if anything, it makes it worse.

posted on 19/8/24

Most drug dealers get into dealing to pay for their own habit fwiw.
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Gonna call bullsheet on this. Most do it for the economic gain IMO

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
Most drug dealers get into dealing to pay for their own habit fwiw.
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Gonna call bullsheet on this. Most do it for the economic gain IMO
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Do you have any experience of working with drug dealers?

posted on 19/8/24

Or users for that matter?

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Elvis

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67214409.amp

I suppose the police assumed these two were from a deprived area and stopping them was justified because they've got a nice car. Thinking police are stopping black people more based on Geographical area or class status is naïve at best.
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One case in a specific location by specific officers doesn't offer a clear reflection on what is happening across London and Wales.

One case in a specific location doesn't

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I didn't say it was one case. This shows though that the MET don't just target black kids from deprived areas. Be black and drive a nice car and you are suspected of stealing it. Why is that?

Any evidence that black kids from.deprived areas are more likely to be involved in crime compared to their white peers?
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I don't know. Have a Google. But one case is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
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You asked the question, I'm interested to see what you come up with.

posted on 19/8/24

comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 8 hours, 33 minutes ago
Flag shaaggers are actually very disrespectful to are army troops.

They always use images of WW1 or WW2 veterans in their propaganda. These folk are already dead. They are not supporting them in any way.

What they should really have is images helping promote current soldiers and those who are currently homeless veterans, like the 35 year old black guys I saw on the street.

Red666, your guys need to get with the times.


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posted on 19/8/24

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
Most drug dealers get into dealing to pay for their own habit fwiw.
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Gonna call bullsheet on this. Most do it for the economic gain IMO
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Do you have any experience of working with drug dealers?
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We had one dealer when I was a teenager who we'd ask to nip to the shops and pick up king size skins, crisps and chocolate etc on the way, and he would as well

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Exactly. Don't forget that actual drug use kills more people than drug supply.
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How do people use without dealers?

posted on 19/8/24

This bloke came up to me today and said hello

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Ras Clar Teta (U22980)
posted 12 minutes ago
This bloke came up to me today and said hello
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Did you use protection?

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Ras Clar Teta (U22980)
posted 34 minutes ago
This bloke came up to me today and said hello
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Don't leave us hanging,

......was it him you were looking for Lionel?

posted on 19/8/24

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Exactly. Don't forget that actual drug use kills more people than drug supply.
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How do people use without dealers?
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Who do dealers sell to if people don't use?

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
Most drug dealers get into dealing to pay for their own habit fwiw.
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Gonna call bullsheet on this. Most do it for the economic gain IMO
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Do you have any experience of working with drug dealers?
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As a matter of fact, I do. I would say I have deep experience IMO.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
Firstly, are black children living in deprived areas more likely to be involved in drugs? There is a quote from the MET about how they are trying to prevent children in London being involved in the supply of drugs (and knife crime).
=======
But who consumes the drugs? Most consumers of drugs are white British by far, people who are never hunted by police, and get less than a slap on the wrist when caught when they are just as crucial a cog in the drug problem.

It's weird that black people are harangued, investigated, searched, arrested, charged, sentenced longer than white people for an offence like drug abuse that is far more commonly committed by white people. I don't see anyone calling for special action, crackdowns or long jail times for drug users when they are just as crucial a cog in the drug problem.

All you see is mercy for drug users and how drug use is a disease, not a crime, and government sponsored rehabilitation programs. No rehabilitation for drug dealers, only users, when dealers are usually easier to rehabilitate and fit into society than users as they are usually in it for economic reasons. Users are also in it for economic reasons too though, more much money than they know what to do with.
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Drug dealers are always going to be dealt with more harshly than users, and rightly so. The higher up the ladder you go the greater the punishment should be.

There does seem to be a disparity between ethnicity when it comes to sentencing and also parole from the data I've seen previously.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Exactly. Don't forget that actual drug use kills more people than drug supply.
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How do people use without dealers?
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Who do dealers sell to if people don't use?
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It's the chicken and the egg. But the law is always going to deal more harshly with the person that is supplying many people with the means to harm themselves than the individual who can only harm themself.

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
Most drug dealers get into dealing to pay for their own habit fwiw.
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Gonna call bullsheet on this. Most do it for the economic gain IMO
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Do you have any experience of working with drug dealers?
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As a matter of fact, I do. I would say I have deep experience IMO.
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Not, I don’t believe you, probably some anecdotal relative story, but regardless, there are numerous studies that name selling drugs for their own habit is listed as a main cause. It only take a cursory google of ‘why do people start dealing drugs’.

You’ll find references such as this

https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/3914/1/2875-Understandingdrugselling.pdf

https://fherehab.com/learning/vicious-cycle-how-drug-abuse-turns-to-dealing/

As it’s listed as one of the three main pathways to dealing. You could also say that’s money, I guess, but it’s incredibly reductive and your whole post smacks of ignorance on the subject tbh and a bit emotional.

posted on 19/8/24

Not that I believe you*

posted on 19/8/24

Of course you don't believe me. You asking the question was just an exercise in futility and a waste of time as it doesn't matter what answer I give, you'll just go ahead with your angle.

I've been respectful and answered your question honestly and your last paragraph is the thanks I get. Baseless accusations of ignorance and disrespect, right after negating your entire point by rightly pointing out that anyone that uses drugs must somehow make the money to buy them, therefore it's still an economic/ monetary reason

I didn't even say drug use isn't a gateway to drug dealing at all. There's probably many gateways but economic or monetary reasons are the primary driver. A simple google research demonstrates that that's a unanimous fact. I don't even see how that's debatable.

There's is a reason why drug trafficking and dealing often flourishes in areas where there are few economic opportunities and high levels of poverty and not in affluent areas. Individuals turn to drug trafficking as a way to earn money and support themselves and their families. The fact that they may already be users by the time they start dealing doesn't mean that's why they started dealing.

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Exactly. Don't forget that actual drug use kills more people than drug supply.
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How do people use without dealers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who do dealers sell to if people don't use?
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It's the chicken and the egg. But the law is always going to deal more harshly with the person that is supplying many people with the means to harm themselves than the individual who can only harm themself.
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That individual does not only harm themselves, because they help to support the entire drug network and industry that employs thousands of people and harms many people.

History has proven that demand is the reason you can't stop drugs, not supply. They tried it during US prohibition and what did people do when the supply was cut? They bootlegged, smuggled, brewed their own stuff at home.and found other ways to get high. So long as poverty and inequality persist there will never be a shortage of individuals so economically challenged that the risk of dealing looks worth taking.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 19/8/24

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Exactly. Don't forget that actual drug use kills more people than drug supply.
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How do people use without dealers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who do dealers sell to if people don't use?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's the chicken and the egg. But the law is always going to deal more harshly with the person that is supplying many people with the means to harm themselves than the individual who can only harm themself.
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That individual does not only harm themselves, because they help to support the entire drug network and industry that employs thousands of people and harms many people.

History has proven that demand is the reason you can't stop drugs, not supply. They tried it during US prohibition and what did people do when the supply was cut? They bootlegged, smuggled, brewed their own stuff at home.and found other ways to get high. So long as poverty and inequality persist there will never be a shortage of individuals so economically challenged that the risk of dealing looks worth taking.
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Yeh. They found another supply.

As I said, chicken and egg. But the dealer is always going to get dealt with more harshly. They are dealing in bigger quantities, profiting without paying tax and harming more lives. Especially those selling the harder drugs.

posted on 20/8/24

A 67-year-old man has been jailed after chanting "you're not English any more" at police officers during a violent demonstration in London.

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