I think Scholes is a bit like Diafol, where you have to look for the WUM because it is usually there somewhere.
He’s pretty rubbish but tbf they all are. They don’t seem to be hired on their insightful views.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
I wouldn’t be surprised to see us bring in loan cover for LB. What a facking mess that position is.
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Seems logical, both in light of budgetary limitations and the fact that on paper at least we have both Shaw and Malacia in the squad. It would be ironic if we invested in a senior LB and then both of them were fit for the rest of the season.
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Agree with this but with the caveat that if we signed a LB who can also play CB (Hermoso + he's free?) then that wouldn't overly bloat the position.
Also, I actually thought Malacia showed real promise in his debut season despite him getting pelters at times from certain sections on here. But you'd have to question whether he'll be likely to progress as a player having spent this long out of action with what must be a serious injury. Even if he became available, is he any use?
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
I wouldn’t be surprised to see us bring in loan cover for LB. What a facking mess that position is.
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Seems logical, both in light of budgetary limitations and the fact that on paper at least we have both Shaw and Malacia in the squad. It would be ironic if we invested in a senior LB and then both of them were fit for the rest of the season.
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Agree with this but with the caveat that if we signed a LB who can also play CB (Hermoso + he's free?) then that wouldn't overly bloat the position.
Also, I actually thought Malacia showed real promise in his debut season despite him getting pelters at times from certain sections on here. But you'd have to question whether he'll be likely to progress as a player having spent this long out of action with what must be a serious injury. Even if he became available, is he any use?
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Good points.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
Expand our intellects 🤣🤣
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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It’s a great shame that UK TV and press coverage of football hasn’t evolved in the same way that it has on the continent.
There’s comparatively very, very little tactical analysis, and when it does come, it’s overwhelmingly high-level fluff.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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I couldn’t agree more tbh. Same with Micah
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posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas p... (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
Diamonds comment on the other thread has really triggered you.
Was it really worth a whole thread to repeat your response to Diamond?
Everyone knows Dier played alongside the Dutch Dier and not in place of him.
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Another season and our obsessed spuud Devonshire is offering his thoughts on anything united again.
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Wow....football fan gives opinion on football forum...feckin shoot me!!
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Opinions are like arrrseholes. Unfortunately everyone had them. Just be nice if you cracked on worrying about your own team instead of being camped on our board this season
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You can check my comments on my Members page...i'm across everything
I think the UK balance is ok, we have a mix of the ex players becoming caricatures as well as journalists and presenters without footballing backgrounds. I’d find it boring if we just had a load of incredibly dull journalists talking about tactics, it’s a part of where the games going that I personally find quite annoying.
I miss the presented with character like your Des Lynams, I couldn’t tell the difference between all the presenters on Sky and TNT these days.
It’s interesting how presenters act differently depending on the county/channel they’re working for. Seeing Carragher and Richards on CBS is pretty excruciating.
Is it an agenda against United or are pundits and podcast guests just parroting things they've read and heard elsewhere without doing their own research?
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All of the above.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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Perhaps. I certainly wouldn't single him out in this respect. There are of course much worse than him. Jenas for me is the worst of the lot.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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I couldn’t agree more tbh. Same with Micah
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I don't mind Micah Richards as he's clearly not there to add to intelligent analysis but to liven it up and add a bit of fun, which he does.
There are more awful pundits than good ones. Off the top of my head - Owen, Savage, Mcmanaman, Scholes, Souness, Hargreaves, Jenas are all absolutely awful with a surprisingly rudimentary understanding of the game they played for so long. The likes of Keane and Richards also aren't great analysts but bring other things to the table with the personalities at least.
It's why I find it funny when people moan about female pundits "only being there because they're women!!", as if the men are employed for any reason other than them being a recognisable face who played the game at a high level. If there was actually demand for good analysts you'd have a bunch of people from Tifo or The Athletic instead (which personally I would much prefer).
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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I couldn’t agree more tbh. Same with Micah
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I don't mind Micah Richards as he's clearly not there to add to intelligent analysis but to liven it up and add a bit of fun, which he does.
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Nothing wrong with his analysis.
It’s mainstream, prime time, television watched by hardcore and casual fans alike, children too.
Pundits get far too much grief, of course it’s going to be a bit vanilla, it’s casual punditry, that will be their brief.
There are loads of platforms where you can get in depth tactical analysis.
To:dr - people moan too much.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 8 minutes ago
There are more awful pundits than good ones. Off the top of my head - Owen, Savage, Mcmanaman, Scholes, Souness, Hargreaves, Jenas are all absolutely awful with a surprisingly rudimentary understanding of the game they played for so long. The likes of Keane and Richards also aren't great analysts but bring other things to the table with the personalities at least.
It's why I find it funny when people moan about female pundits "only being there because they're women!!", as if the men are employed for any reason other than them being a recognisable face who played the game at a high level. If there was actually demand for good analysts you'd have a bunch of people from Tifo or The Athletic instead (which personally I would much prefer).
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Yeah, but the people in charge wouldn't want someone from Tifo or The Athletic, because they weren't a famous footballer. They'd probably be impartial as well as insightful.
Instead we are left with things like:
Gary Lineker: 'Alan, team X were wayward with their shooting today. What were they doing wrong?'
Alan Shearer: 'They needed to be more accurate with their shooting Gary.'
GL: 'And the stats show they were also outrun by their opponents. How can they change that, Alan?'
AS: 'They need to work harder Gary.'
I’m not sure I could stand watching that smug, Scottish priiiiick off Tifo as a tv pundit. He’s almost as much of a priiiick as Souness.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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I couldn’t agree more tbh. Same with Micah
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I don't mind Micah Richards as he's clearly not there to add to intelligent analysis but to liven it up and add a bit of fun, which he does.
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Nothing wrong with his analysis.
It’s mainstream, prime time, television watched by hardcore and casual fans alike, children too.
Pundits get far too much grief, of course it’s going to be a bit vanilla, it’s casual punditry, that will be their brief.
There are loads of platforms where you can get in depth tactical analysis.
To:dr - people moan too much.
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You can imagine that if MOTD did a spin-off show looking at detail analysis of games it would get a fraction of the viewing figures.
I like the MNF analysis Sky do before the games of the weekends key moments, but i would guess most impartial fans tune in at kick off
Yep, MNF is a good example Devon. Far more detailed and they have manager slots too. It’s not like pundits are clueless, most played at the top level under elite managers, the brief will be keep it light.
Yeah way better to have spin off shows for the more detailed (and the more idiotic basic punditry) stuff and keep your live games and main highlights show more broad. I do think the presenters could be a lot better though, way too sterile and robotic.
Don't have a problem with keeping things brief - it's more saying things that are plainly incorrect. Souness' analysis of our current CB pairing for example is that De Ligt is 'lightweight' and Martinez isn't very good on the ball. It borders on completely idiotic.
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Yeah, but the people in charge wouldn't want someone from Tifo or The Athletic, because they weren't a famous footballer. They'd probably be impartial as well as insightful.
Instead we are left with things like:
Gary Lineker: 'Alan, team X were wayward with their shooting today. What were they doing wrong?'
Alan Shearer: 'They needed to be more accurate with their shooting Gary.'
GL: 'And the stats show they were also outrun by their opponents. How can they change that, Alan?'
AS: 'They need to work harder Gary.'
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I quite enjoyed that analysis, actually.
Talking of pundits I’m sad Garth Crooks won’t be doing Team of the Week any more. Completely mental and his selections never made any sense but they were entertaining even if he didn’t mean to be. Deeney who’s replaced him just seems like a bellllend.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Don't have a problem with keeping things brief - it's more saying things that are plainly incorrect. Souness' analysis of our current CB pairing for example is that De Ligt is 'lightweight' and Martinez isn't very good on the ball. It borders on completely idiotic.
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posted on 14/8/24
I think Scholes is a bit like Diafol, where you have to look for the WUM because it is usually there somewhere.
posted on 14/8/24
He’s pretty rubbish but tbf they all are. They don’t seem to be hired on their insightful views.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
I wouldn’t be surprised to see us bring in loan cover for LB. What a facking mess that position is.
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Seems logical, both in light of budgetary limitations and the fact that on paper at least we have both Shaw and Malacia in the squad. It would be ironic if we invested in a senior LB and then both of them were fit for the rest of the season.
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Agree with this but with the caveat that if we signed a LB who can also play CB (Hermoso + he's free?) then that wouldn't overly bloat the position.
Also, I actually thought Malacia showed real promise in his debut season despite him getting pelters at times from certain sections on here. But you'd have to question whether he'll be likely to progress as a player having spent this long out of action with what must be a serious injury. Even if he became available, is he any use?
posted on 14/8/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
I wouldn’t be surprised to see us bring in loan cover for LB. What a facking mess that position is.
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Seems logical, both in light of budgetary limitations and the fact that on paper at least we have both Shaw and Malacia in the squad. It would be ironic if we invested in a senior LB and then both of them were fit for the rest of the season.
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Agree with this but with the caveat that if we signed a LB who can also play CB (Hermoso + he's free?) then that wouldn't overly bloat the position.
Also, I actually thought Malacia showed real promise in his debut season despite him getting pelters at times from certain sections on here. But you'd have to question whether he'll be likely to progress as a player having spent this long out of action with what must be a serious injury. Even if he became available, is he any use?
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Good points.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
posted on 14/8/24
Expand our intellects 🤣🤣
posted on 14/8/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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It’s a great shame that UK TV and press coverage of football hasn’t evolved in the same way that it has on the continent.
There’s comparatively very, very little tactical analysis, and when it does come, it’s overwhelmingly high-level fluff.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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I couldn’t agree more tbh. Same with Micah
posted on 14/8/24
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas p... (U18599)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas p... (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
Diamonds comment on the other thread has really triggered you.
Was it really worth a whole thread to repeat your response to Diamond?
Everyone knows Dier played alongside the Dutch Dier and not in place of him.
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Another season and our obsessed spuud Devonshire is offering his thoughts on anything united again.
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Wow....football fan gives opinion on football forum...feckin shoot me!!
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Opinions are like arrrseholes. Unfortunately everyone had them. Just be nice if you cracked on worrying about your own team instead of being camped on our board this season
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You can check my comments on my Members page...i'm across everything
posted on 14/8/24
I think the UK balance is ok, we have a mix of the ex players becoming caricatures as well as journalists and presenters without footballing backgrounds. I’d find it boring if we just had a load of incredibly dull journalists talking about tactics, it’s a part of where the games going that I personally find quite annoying.
I miss the presented with character like your Des Lynams, I couldn’t tell the difference between all the presenters on Sky and TNT these days.
It’s interesting how presenters act differently depending on the county/channel they’re working for. Seeing Carragher and Richards on CBS is pretty excruciating.
posted on 14/8/24
Is it an agenda against United or are pundits and podcast guests just parroting things they've read and heard elsewhere without doing their own research?
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All of the above.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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Perhaps. I certainly wouldn't single him out in this respect. There are of course much worse than him. Jenas for me is the worst of the lot.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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I couldn’t agree more tbh. Same with Micah
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I don't mind Micah Richards as he's clearly not there to add to intelligent analysis but to liven it up and add a bit of fun, which he does.
posted on 14/8/24
There are more awful pundits than good ones. Off the top of my head - Owen, Savage, Mcmanaman, Scholes, Souness, Hargreaves, Jenas are all absolutely awful with a surprisingly rudimentary understanding of the game they played for so long. The likes of Keane and Richards also aren't great analysts but bring other things to the table with the personalities at least.
It's why I find it funny when people moan about female pundits "only being there because they're women!!", as if the men are employed for any reason other than them being a recognisable face who played the game at a high level. If there was actually demand for good analysts you'd have a bunch of people from Tifo or The Athletic instead (which personally I would much prefer).
posted on 14/8/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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I couldn’t agree more tbh. Same with Micah
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I don't mind Micah Richards as he's clearly not there to add to intelligent analysis but to liven it up and add a bit of fun, which he does.
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Nothing wrong with his analysis.
It’s mainstream, prime time, television watched by hardcore and casual fans alike, children too.
Pundits get far too much grief, of course it’s going to be a bit vanilla, it’s casual punditry, that will be their brief.
There are loads of platforms where you can get in depth tactical analysis.
To:dr - people moan too much.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 8 minutes ago
There are more awful pundits than good ones. Off the top of my head - Owen, Savage, Mcmanaman, Scholes, Souness, Hargreaves, Jenas are all absolutely awful with a surprisingly rudimentary understanding of the game they played for so long. The likes of Keane and Richards also aren't great analysts but bring other things to the table with the personalities at least.
It's why I find it funny when people moan about female pundits "only being there because they're women!!", as if the men are employed for any reason other than them being a recognisable face who played the game at a high level. If there was actually demand for good analysts you'd have a bunch of people from Tifo or The Athletic instead (which personally I would much prefer).
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Yeah, but the people in charge wouldn't want someone from Tifo or The Athletic, because they weren't a famous footballer. They'd probably be impartial as well as insightful.
Instead we are left with things like:
Gary Lineker: 'Alan, team X were wayward with their shooting today. What were they doing wrong?'
Alan Shearer: 'They needed to be more accurate with their shooting Gary.'
GL: 'And the stats show they were also outrun by their opponents. How can they change that, Alan?'
AS: 'They need to work harder Gary.'
posted on 14/8/24
I’m not sure I could stand watching that smug, Scottish priiiiick off Tifo as a tv pundit. He’s almost as much of a priiiick as Souness.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 minutes ago
Rio can be an insightful pundit and interesting interviewer when he tries. He's often included in the lowest tier category because some people can't look past the way he looks and talks.
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For me it's more the things he says. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box.
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He's employed for infotainment purposes and of course sometimes says stuff that doesn't expand our intellects. But I see him disproportionately singled out as thick among many other pundits who aren't better, and sometimes worse, which leads me to the conclusion above that it's surface appearances playing a role in this perception, not just content.
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I couldn’t agree more tbh. Same with Micah
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I don't mind Micah Richards as he's clearly not there to add to intelligent analysis but to liven it up and add a bit of fun, which he does.
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Nothing wrong with his analysis.
It’s mainstream, prime time, television watched by hardcore and casual fans alike, children too.
Pundits get far too much grief, of course it’s going to be a bit vanilla, it’s casual punditry, that will be their brief.
There are loads of platforms where you can get in depth tactical analysis.
To:dr - people moan too much.
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You can imagine that if MOTD did a spin-off show looking at detail analysis of games it would get a fraction of the viewing figures.
I like the MNF analysis Sky do before the games of the weekends key moments, but i would guess most impartial fans tune in at kick off
posted on 14/8/24
Yep, MNF is a good example Devon. Far more detailed and they have manager slots too. It’s not like pundits are clueless, most played at the top level under elite managers, the brief will be keep it light.
posted on 14/8/24
Yeah way better to have spin off shows for the more detailed (and the more idiotic basic punditry) stuff and keep your live games and main highlights show more broad. I do think the presenters could be a lot better though, way too sterile and robotic.
posted on 14/8/24
Don't have a problem with keeping things brief - it's more saying things that are plainly incorrect. Souness' analysis of our current CB pairing for example is that De Ligt is 'lightweight' and Martinez isn't very good on the ball. It borders on completely idiotic.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
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Yeah, but the people in charge wouldn't want someone from Tifo or The Athletic, because they weren't a famous footballer. They'd probably be impartial as well as insightful.
Instead we are left with things like:
Gary Lineker: 'Alan, team X were wayward with their shooting today. What were they doing wrong?'
Alan Shearer: 'They needed to be more accurate with their shooting Gary.'
GL: 'And the stats show they were also outrun by their opponents. How can they change that, Alan?'
AS: 'They need to work harder Gary.'
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I quite enjoyed that analysis, actually.
posted on 14/8/24
Talking of pundits I’m sad Garth Crooks won’t be doing Team of the Week any more. Completely mental and his selections never made any sense but they were entertaining even if he didn’t mean to be. Deeney who’s replaced him just seems like a bellllend.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Don't have a problem with keeping things brief - it's more saying things that are plainly incorrect. Souness' analysis of our current CB pairing for example is that De Ligt is 'lightweight' and Martinez isn't very good on the ball. It borders on completely idiotic.
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Did he actually say that?
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