comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 seconds ago
No idea why Barry is anti fairness in the CL?
Why do you want a loaded competition Barry?
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I didn't say it was less fair. I am saying the long drawn out group stage will be a bit boring when it barely decides anything of significance, just that a small number of the bottom teams go out. The games have less riding on them. This is my only point.
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 seconds ago
No idea why Barry is anti fairness in the CL?
Why do you want a loaded competition Barry?
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I didn't say it was less fair. I am saying the long drawn out group stage will be a bit boring when it barely decides anything of significance, just that a small number of the bottom teams go out. The games have less riding on them. This is my only point.
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you prefer a loaded set up like before to what we have now.... why are you against fairness?
I would prefer a fair competition even it if it did contain a few more games, at the end of the day its a cup and only 1 team wins it so I prioritise fairness over how quickly teams get knocked out.
Would you not rather have the new format that is much fairer than the previous loaded format?
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 seconds ago
No idea why Barry is anti fairness in the CL?
Why do you want a loaded competition Barry?
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I didn't say it was less fair. I am saying the long drawn out group stage will be a bit boring when it barely decides anything of significance, just that a small number of the bottom teams go out. The games have less riding on them. This is my only point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you prefer a loaded set up like before to what we have now.... why are you against fairness?
I would prefer a fair competition even it if it did contain a few more games, at the end of the day its a cup and only 1 team wins it so I prioritise fairness over how quickly teams get knocked out.
Would you not rather have the new format that is much fairer than the previous loaded format?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"at the end of the day its a cup"
I like how you stated this then argued against the format of a cup competition.
Do you feel that the FA cup is not a fair competition?
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 seconds ago
No idea why Barry is anti fairness in the CL?
Why do you want a loaded competition Barry?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't say it was less fair. I am saying the long drawn out group stage will be a bit boring when it barely decides anything of significance, just that a small number of the bottom teams go out. The games have less riding on them. This is my only point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you prefer a loaded set up like before to what we have now.... why are you against fairness?
I would prefer a fair competition even it if it did contain a few more games, at the end of the day its a cup and only 1 team wins it so I prioritise fairness over how quickly teams get knocked out.
Would you not rather have the new format that is much fairer than the previous loaded format?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"at the end of the day its a cup"
I like how you stated this then argued against the format of a cup competition.
Do you feel that the FA cup is not a fair competition?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
fairer than the CL yes much fairer. no team is guaranteed to play lesser teams in the FA cup.
i answered your question now answer mine.
Would you rather have this new fairer format, or the loaded version from before?
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 34 seconds ago
i answered your question now answer mine.
Would you rather have this new fairer format, or the loaded version from before?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd rather have a better format that didn't have a boring months long group stage that decides next to nothing. Take the old format and remove the seeding? Then it actually makes it more fair.
Conversely, have the new format but with an amount of teams that mean that 50% go through from the group stage, and fewer games are played. Giving the same level of importance to games as before.
You didn't answer my question of whether you preferred the World Cup group stage or the Euros group stage?
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 34 seconds ago
i answered your question now answer mine.
Would you rather have this new fairer format, or the loaded version from before?
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I'd rather have a better format that didn't have a boring months long group stage that decides next to nothing. Take the old format and remove the seeding? Then it actually makes it more fair.
Conversely, have the new format but with an amount of teams that mean that 50% go through from the group stage, and fewer games are played. Giving the same level of importance to games as before.
You didn't answer my question of whether you preferred the World Cup group stage or the Euros group stage?
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please answer the question Barry just like I answer yours. Its rather disrespectful.
the new format or the old format which do you prefer?
I have no preference of either the world cup groups or the euros tbh.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 34 seconds ago
i answered your question now answer mine.
Would you rather have this new fairer format, or the loaded version from before?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd rather have a better format that didn't have a boring months long group stage that decides next to nothing. Take the old format and remove the seeding? Then it actually makes it more fair.
Conversely, have the new format but with an amount of teams that mean that 50% go through from the group stage, and fewer games are played. Giving the same level of importance to games as before.
You didn't answer my question of whether you preferred the World Cup group stage or the Euros group stage?
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please answer the question Barry just like I answer yours. Its rather disrespectful.
the new format or the old format which do you prefer?
I have no preference of either the world cup groups or the euros tbh.
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I don't know yet. I am just predicting that this 25 year long group stage to decide which one team goes out is a bit pointless. Both have their flaws, I just don't like this mega group aspect, where every team is given a cuddly toy after it, before we commence the knock outs.
25 years for cuddly toys really does not make a lot of sense.
Just get on with the proper competition!
As a Celtic fan I’m really looking forward to the fresh, new format … where we’re guaranteed 8 humpings, rather than the usual 6. Bring it on!
Not sure how it's fairer to take the results a team obtains against 8 clubs and stand them up against the results of another side that’s potentially faced 8 different clubs, with the added factor that who you play at home and who you play away is also arbitrary.
City at home and Madrid away or Dortmund at home and Leipzig away?
Leverkusen at home and Arsenal away, or Brugge home, Shakhtar away?
Etc.
Each set of fixtures awards the same points, but instead of being measured against teams who've all faced each other home and away, you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
As a Celtic fan I’m really looking forward to the fresh, new format … where we’re guaranteed 8 humpings, rather than the usual 6. Bring it on!
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Wurld Cup 2026 shuddahad 16 groop of 3 with top team goin threw too rnd of 16
Their wuddabean zero dead robber games
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not sure how it's fairer to take the results a team obtains against 8 clubs and stand them up against the results of another side that’s potentially faced 8 different clubs, with the added factor that who you play at home and who you play away is also arbitrary.
City at home and Madrid away or Dortmund at home and Leipzig away?
Leverkusen at home and Arsenal away, or Brugge home, Shakhtar away?
Etc.
Each set of fixtures awards the same points, but instead of being measured against teams who've all faced each other home and away, you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you feel about the long drawn out group stage, playing 8 matches each, only for around 70% of the teams to remain in the competition after the group stage??
And how do you feel this impacts on the importance, intensity, jeopardy in each match?
Itsa terrybubble 4mat
I wish moor teems had the curridge on faremindedness of Napoli in boycottin it
Nipples have boycotted it because they're shytte
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine how facking boring that makes the mega group if a pot 4 team can beat two other pot 4 teams and progress? Imagine how little effort it takes for everyone else to progress
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine how facking boring that makes the mega group if a pot 4 team can beat two other pot 4 teams and progress? Imagine how little effort it takes for everyone else to progress
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine being this worked up over two extra games...
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine how facking boring that makes the mega group if a pot 4 team can beat two other pot 4 teams and progress? Imagine how little effort it takes for everyone else to progress
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine being this worked up over two extra games...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still not getting it? It's not just the two extra games, it's the fact that pretty much no one goes out after the 8 games? What is there not to get?
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 11 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine how facking boring that makes the mega group if a pot 4 team can beat two other pot 4 teams and progress? Imagine how little effort it takes for everyone else to progress
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine being this worked up over two extra games...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still not getting it? It's not just the two extra games, it's the fact that pretty much no one goes out after the 8 games? What is there not to get?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
11 teams get knocked out nearly 30% of participants isnt "pretty much no one"
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 days, 14 hours ago
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know how much of a chance they'll have making it through on 6 points out of a possible 24, but my bugbear is that teams will be compared on a like for like basis but based on different sets of fixtures, whereas qualification in the previous system was based on all of the teams in each group facing each other home and away.
Yes, you could get better or worse draws, but each side's progress was dependent on how they'd fared on the same set of games against the same opponents.
This new system to me is closer to the format used in intl tournaments for best 3rd placed teams.
As an aside, you're still going to get a last 16, and unless the juggernauts have done really, really badly, the will get a kind of play-in to atone for any major fackups in the GS.
On that note, will that play-in just be a straight draw, or will teams be seeded there too to try and ensure the big teams pushed into it get a smoother ride?
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 2 days, 15 hours ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not sure how it's fairer to take the results a team obtains against 8 clubs and stand them up against the results of another side that’s potentially faced 8 different clubs, with the added factor that who you play at home and who you play away is also arbitrary.
City at home and Madrid away or Dortmund at home and Leipzig away?
Leverkusen at home and Arsenal away, or Brugge home, Shakhtar away?
Etc.
Each set of fixtures awards the same points, but instead of being measured against teams who've all faced each other home and away, you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you feel about the long drawn out group stage, playing 8 matches each, only for around 70% of the teams to remain in the competition after the group stage??
And how do you feel this impacts on the importance, intensity, jeopardy in each match?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I largely agree with you.
The new system means the group stage knocks out roughly a third of the sides instead of 50%.
Some of the bigger sides might suffer according to who they play home and who away, but they'll need to really stink the place out in order to fail outright.
And I half expect the play-in round to be based on a 10-year ranking just to give them that little extra nudge. It'd be stupidly unfair, but I wouldn't put it past UEFA.
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posted on 14/8/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 seconds ago
No idea why Barry is anti fairness in the CL?
Why do you want a loaded competition Barry?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't say it was less fair. I am saying the long drawn out group stage will be a bit boring when it barely decides anything of significance, just that a small number of the bottom teams go out. The games have less riding on them. This is my only point.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 seconds ago
No idea why Barry is anti fairness in the CL?
Why do you want a loaded competition Barry?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't say it was less fair. I am saying the long drawn out group stage will be a bit boring when it barely decides anything of significance, just that a small number of the bottom teams go out. The games have less riding on them. This is my only point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you prefer a loaded set up like before to what we have now.... why are you against fairness?
I would prefer a fair competition even it if it did contain a few more games, at the end of the day its a cup and only 1 team wins it so I prioritise fairness over how quickly teams get knocked out.
Would you not rather have the new format that is much fairer than the previous loaded format?
posted on 14/8/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 seconds ago
No idea why Barry is anti fairness in the CL?
Why do you want a loaded competition Barry?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't say it was less fair. I am saying the long drawn out group stage will be a bit boring when it barely decides anything of significance, just that a small number of the bottom teams go out. The games have less riding on them. This is my only point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you prefer a loaded set up like before to what we have now.... why are you against fairness?
I would prefer a fair competition even it if it did contain a few more games, at the end of the day its a cup and only 1 team wins it so I prioritise fairness over how quickly teams get knocked out.
Would you not rather have the new format that is much fairer than the previous loaded format?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"at the end of the day its a cup"
I like how you stated this then argued against the format of a cup competition.
Do you feel that the FA cup is not a fair competition?
posted on 14/8/24
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 seconds ago
No idea why Barry is anti fairness in the CL?
Why do you want a loaded competition Barry?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't say it was less fair. I am saying the long drawn out group stage will be a bit boring when it barely decides anything of significance, just that a small number of the bottom teams go out. The games have less riding on them. This is my only point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you prefer a loaded set up like before to what we have now.... why are you against fairness?
I would prefer a fair competition even it if it did contain a few more games, at the end of the day its a cup and only 1 team wins it so I prioritise fairness over how quickly teams get knocked out.
Would you not rather have the new format that is much fairer than the previous loaded format?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"at the end of the day its a cup"
I like how you stated this then argued against the format of a cup competition.
Do you feel that the FA cup is not a fair competition?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
fairer than the CL yes much fairer. no team is guaranteed to play lesser teams in the FA cup.
posted on 14/8/24
i answered your question now answer mine.
Would you rather have this new fairer format, or the loaded version from before?
posted on 14/8/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 34 seconds ago
i answered your question now answer mine.
Would you rather have this new fairer format, or the loaded version from before?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd rather have a better format that didn't have a boring months long group stage that decides next to nothing. Take the old format and remove the seeding? Then it actually makes it more fair.
Conversely, have the new format but with an amount of teams that mean that 50% go through from the group stage, and fewer games are played. Giving the same level of importance to games as before.
You didn't answer my question of whether you preferred the World Cup group stage or the Euros group stage?
posted on 14/8/24
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 34 seconds ago
i answered your question now answer mine.
Would you rather have this new fairer format, or the loaded version from before?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd rather have a better format that didn't have a boring months long group stage that decides next to nothing. Take the old format and remove the seeding? Then it actually makes it more fair.
Conversely, have the new format but with an amount of teams that mean that 50% go through from the group stage, and fewer games are played. Giving the same level of importance to games as before.
You didn't answer my question of whether you preferred the World Cup group stage or the Euros group stage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
please answer the question Barry just like I answer yours. Its rather disrespectful.
the new format or the old format which do you prefer?
I have no preference of either the world cup groups or the euros tbh.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 34 seconds ago
i answered your question now answer mine.
Would you rather have this new fairer format, or the loaded version from before?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd rather have a better format that didn't have a boring months long group stage that decides next to nothing. Take the old format and remove the seeding? Then it actually makes it more fair.
Conversely, have the new format but with an amount of teams that mean that 50% go through from the group stage, and fewer games are played. Giving the same level of importance to games as before.
You didn't answer my question of whether you preferred the World Cup group stage or the Euros group stage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
please answer the question Barry just like I answer yours. Its rather disrespectful.
the new format or the old format which do you prefer?
I have no preference of either the world cup groups or the euros tbh.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know yet. I am just predicting that this 25 year long group stage to decide which one team goes out is a bit pointless. Both have their flaws, I just don't like this mega group aspect, where every team is given a cuddly toy after it, before we commence the knock outs.
25 years for cuddly toys really does not make a lot of sense.
Just get on with the proper competition!
posted on 14/8/24
As a Celtic fan I’m really looking forward to the fresh, new format … where we’re guaranteed 8 humpings, rather than the usual 6. Bring it on!
posted on 14/8/24
Not sure how it's fairer to take the results a team obtains against 8 clubs and stand them up against the results of another side that’s potentially faced 8 different clubs, with the added factor that who you play at home and who you play away is also arbitrary.
City at home and Madrid away or Dortmund at home and Leipzig away?
Leverkusen at home and Arsenal away, or Brugge home, Shakhtar away?
Etc.
Each set of fixtures awards the same points, but instead of being measured against teams who've all faced each other home and away, you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
As a Celtic fan I’m really looking forward to the fresh, new format … where we’re guaranteed 8 humpings, rather than the usual 6. Bring it on!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 14/8/24
Wurld Cup 2026 shuddahad 16 groop of 3 with top team goin threw too rnd of 16
Their wuddabean zero dead robber games
posted on 14/8/24
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
posted on 14/8/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not sure how it's fairer to take the results a team obtains against 8 clubs and stand them up against the results of another side that’s potentially faced 8 different clubs, with the added factor that who you play at home and who you play away is also arbitrary.
City at home and Madrid away or Dortmund at home and Leipzig away?
Leverkusen at home and Arsenal away, or Brugge home, Shakhtar away?
Etc.
Each set of fixtures awards the same points, but instead of being measured against teams who've all faced each other home and away, you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you feel about the long drawn out group stage, playing 8 matches each, only for around 70% of the teams to remain in the competition after the group stage??
And how do you feel this impacts on the importance, intensity, jeopardy in each match?
posted on 14/8/24
Itsa terrybubble 4mat
I wish moor teems had the curridge on faremindedness of Napoli in boycottin it
posted on 14/8/24
Nipples have boycotted it because they're shytte
posted on 14/8/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine how facking boring that makes the mega group if a pot 4 team can beat two other pot 4 teams and progress? Imagine how little effort it takes for everyone else to progress
posted on 14/8/24
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine how facking boring that makes the mega group if a pot 4 team can beat two other pot 4 teams and progress? Imagine how little effort it takes for everyone else to progress
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine being this worked up over two extra games...
posted on 14/8/24
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine how facking boring that makes the mega group if a pot 4 team can beat two other pot 4 teams and progress? Imagine how little effort it takes for everyone else to progress
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine being this worked up over two extra games...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still not getting it? It's not just the two extra games, it's the fact that pretty much no one goes out after the 8 games? What is there not to get?
posted on 15/8/24
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 11 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine how facking boring that makes the mega group if a pot 4 team can beat two other pot 4 teams and progress? Imagine how little effort it takes for everyone else to progress
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine being this worked up over two extra games...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still not getting it? It's not just the two extra games, it's the fact that pretty much no one goes out after the 8 games? What is there not to get?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
11 teams get knocked out nearly 30% of participants isnt "pretty much no one"
posted on 17/8/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 days, 14 hours ago
you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
===
Newcastle would probably argue they got knocked out because they got a tougher set of rivals last season.
This makes it easier for all teams, as even Pot 4 teams get to play 2 other Pot 4 teams. Good chance that if you win those 2 games you progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know how much of a chance they'll have making it through on 6 points out of a possible 24, but my bugbear is that teams will be compared on a like for like basis but based on different sets of fixtures, whereas qualification in the previous system was based on all of the teams in each group facing each other home and away.
Yes, you could get better or worse draws, but each side's progress was dependent on how they'd fared on the same set of games against the same opponents.
This new system to me is closer to the format used in intl tournaments for best 3rd placed teams.
As an aside, you're still going to get a last 16, and unless the juggernauts have done really, really badly, the will get a kind of play-in to atone for any major fackups in the GS.
On that note, will that play-in just be a straight draw, or will teams be seeded there too to try and ensure the big teams pushed into it get a smoother ride?
posted on 17/8/24
comment by John McGlashan (U1734)
posted 2 days, 15 hours ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not sure how it's fairer to take the results a team obtains against 8 clubs and stand them up against the results of another side that’s potentially faced 8 different clubs, with the added factor that who you play at home and who you play away is also arbitrary.
City at home and Madrid away or Dortmund at home and Leipzig away?
Leverkusen at home and Arsenal away, or Brugge home, Shakhtar away?
Etc.
Each set of fixtures awards the same points, but instead of being measured against teams who've all faced each other home and away, you can be knocked out because you got a much tougher set of rivals.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you feel about the long drawn out group stage, playing 8 matches each, only for around 70% of the teams to remain in the competition after the group stage??
And how do you feel this impacts on the importance, intensity, jeopardy in each match?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I largely agree with you.
The new system means the group stage knocks out roughly a third of the sides instead of 50%.
Some of the bigger sides might suffer according to who they play home and who away, but they'll need to really stink the place out in order to fail outright.
And I half expect the play-in round to be based on a 10-year ranking just to give them that little extra nudge. It'd be stupidly unfair, but I wouldn't put it past UEFA.
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