Anyone can point the finger and make false accusations, only have to look at past posts and ones like this one!..
Amazing all the Marathe and 49ers bashing, it seems they get blamed for everything that goes wrong, even when they had very little say in things, they might have had shares in the club, but come on, who had the final say?..
It shore as hell wasn't the 49ers or Marathe as some fans fake news shooting about suggests!..
comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Anyone can point the finger and make false accusations, only have to look at past posts and ones like this one!..
Amazing all the Marathe and 49ers bashing, it seems they get blamed for everything that goes wrong, even when they had very little say in things, they might have had shares in the club, but come on, who had the final say?..
It shore as hell wasn't the 49ers or Marathe as some fans fake news shooting about suggests!..
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So what do you make of what DF said?
I agree with lufcgermany. Being 'in the building' and having sign off are massively different.
Think many on here just want to 'blame' someone still here rather than accept that's not the case.
But like everyone else. I don't know. That might be bolleaux and it's is 49ers fault.
We need to beat Sheff. Wed...no 2 ways about this.
When my daughter comes home from work and proceeds to spend 30 minutes telling us how bad her day was, little does she know just how much she brings the mood of the house down. We dread her coming home and my wife and I try to enjoy the day whilst she is at work, and we wish that she would try and keep her negative thoughts to a minimum if not any at all. It feels like that in here, sometimes.
Unless we have cast iron facts that 100% confirm
Marathe/49ers were responsible for the claues,
we're just speculating...right up to Archie's new deal.
That one had a release clause that was fully down
to current ownership. 100%. So, by that, you could
rightly assume they were involved in all or some of
the other clause laced contracts. However, it's all just
reasonably backed assumptions. TWIW, I believe
they were involved in a few of them.
👍 yep, fair comments above. Just want to add, I’m tired of all this too and the only reason I’ve raised it again - is because DF has raised it again. I think it’s wrong that DF keeps mentioning it and no-one seems to pull him up about the facts surrounding Kinnear, Marathe and Lowy. I’m disappointed Popey hasn’t directly asked a question about this in the pressers.
I can’t believe how many people think the relegation release clause in Ritter’s contract was stupid. Not a chance we could have signed a player with his reputation without one given our position. No one with expectations of playing at the highest level would sign without one and setting at a level that would give us a profit is more than fair.
It’s the stupid loan clauses that cost us and crippled our ability to sign players.
Light, its not a case of what Farke says, he's not defending himself or pointing the finger, he's only saying it how it was!..
So if the 49ers or Marathe had so much say,(oh yes, here comes a question I've asked a few times and nobody has tried to answer!)
Why did they not block the Harrison move instead of paying what was it, 15m?..
They did not have the final say but get the blame for the outcome, weird!..
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
I can’t believe how many people think the relegation release clause in Ritter’s contract was stupid. Not a chance we could have signed a player with his reputation without one given our position. No one with expectations of playing at the highest level would sign without one and setting at a level that would give us a profit is more than fair.
It’s the stupid loan clauses that cost us and crippled our ability to sign players.
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Add to that the fact that leeds were not an established premiership side when we signed these players.
Sure Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool probably won't have relegation clauses, but we were barely hanging on when we signed Rutter, his agent would have been borderline negligent had he not insisted on a relegation release clause for his client
I can’t believe how many people think the relegation release clause in Ritter’s contract was stupid.
It’s the stupid loan clauses that cost us and crippled our ability to sign players.
^^^
So in your opinion are the clauses stupid or not stupid?
You seem to imply people are stupid for thinking the
clauses are stupid. Because anyone would be stupid to not install them when signing with a team like us.
But the stupid clauses are what's lead to this
stupid situation. Or am I stupid?
You don’t even understand the difference between £40m and £0?
How are you alive?
I don't think its the club that are asking for these clauses, its the agents advising their clients and them agreeing to them!..
So no matter who at the club signed them, it might be crippling for us but safeguards their future, and that is a problem that isn't going to go away!..
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Unless we have cast iron facts that 100% confirm
Marathe/49ers were responsible for the claues,
we're just speculating...right up to Archie's new deal.
That one had a release clause that was fully down
to current ownership. 100%. So, by that, you could
rightly assume they were involved in all or some of
the other clause laced contracts. However, it's all just
reasonably backed assumptions. TWIW, I believe
they were involved in a few of them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
48ers intervened to stop Harrison leaving and look at what contract he had subsequently.
Would we have wanted Harrison at the time or if a year out of the premiership and then promoted?
Hindsight a wonderful thing……. Nice to see some balance on this post rather than associating comments to suit an agenda against owners and the club
Unless I have missed it DF never said the owners didn’t try to sort out contracts, just said they needed to be ready for consequences….
I have said on a different post anyone thinking Rutter would agree to a new contract after relegation is naive….. contracts work both ways
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 3 hours, 44 minutes ago
How are you alive?
^^^
It's a miracle.
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 3 hours, 44 minutes ago
How are you alive?
^^^
It's a miracle.
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I will pray for you
“Unless I have missed it DF never said the owners didn’t try to sort out contracts,”
Quote above from DF:
“ No-one is to be blamed from our key people because no-one was, more or less, there when we had to take the decisions to sign the contracts off, even a few years ago, with exit clauses. "
For some fans, there are endless excuses for poor ownership, poor management, poor performances and they ultimately accept whatever is served up to them.
Presumably to garner favour with fellow supporters, they forever create false new deadlines by which time there must be noticeable improvement, “or else”.
Of course, the “or else” never materialises as these fans just invent another false deadline … and so on and so forth, ad infinitum, it goes.
Are these fans the loyal lifeblood of a proud football club or are they the very reason a club is deep in the mire?
Talking Leeds now, for me it’s very clear.
By giving the 49ers (et al, before, and those to come) a free pass, or making the most asthenic, feigning of protests, these fans are a principal reason we’re in a monumental mess.
Until fans stand up and say ‘no-more’ and actually mean it, the 49ers will continue to treat the club and fans with, apparent, utter contempt.
As for mealy-mouthed Daniel Farke, he will be gone soon enough, but he’s not the real problem.
“ 48ers intervened …”
I always thought they were one sandwich short of a picnic🤣.
Light brigade
Assume you are proving my point re DF but clearly you read it the other way.
Also then sweeping comments about Leeds fans generally because it fits your agenda and your truth.
We are all entitled to opinions and debate, even you
Hi Ull … tbh there were so many negates in your sentence I wasn’t sure of the final sense of it (whether or not you were agreeing/disagreeing with what I’d posted above). Anyway, absolutely no probs, I’m just quoting facts (DF verbatim from his presser and HMRC Companies House records) so people can believe those facts or not. Up to them👍.
Sure, my comments about some Leeds fans (not all - have you got an agenda?😁) are conjecture, but I’m struggling to understand why some Leeds fans ignore the published facts. Anyway, I agree everyone is entitled to an opinion … and no, I don’t have an agenda👍.
TBF Light, not always easy to get points across on text but reading some of the the other articles on here re DF press conference it is interesting how his comments have been interpreted by different people. And no I don't have an agenda
But to suggest its fans fault we are in the mire, really ?
Just to let you know HMRC and Companies house are 2 separate agencies of government. I know it is important to you to make sure the facts are correct
comment by Buntingford White (U9786)
posted 17 hours, 57 minutes ago
When my daughter comes home from work and proceeds to spend 30 minutes telling us how bad her day was, little does she know just how much she brings the mood of the house down. We dread her coming home and my wife and I try to enjoy the day whilst she is at work, and we wish that she would try and keep her negative thoughts to a minimum if not any at all. It feels like that in here, sometimes.
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Mood hoovers my wife calls em. To be fair supporting LUFC is exactly mood enhancing sometimes 👍
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posted on 22/8/24
Anyone can point the finger and make false accusations, only have to look at past posts and ones like this one!..
Amazing all the Marathe and 49ers bashing, it seems they get blamed for everything that goes wrong, even when they had very little say in things, they might have had shares in the club, but come on, who had the final say?..
It shore as hell wasn't the 49ers or Marathe as some fans fake news shooting about suggests!..
posted on 22/8/24
comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Anyone can point the finger and make false accusations, only have to look at past posts and ones like this one!..
Amazing all the Marathe and 49ers bashing, it seems they get blamed for everything that goes wrong, even when they had very little say in things, they might have had shares in the club, but come on, who had the final say?..
It shore as hell wasn't the 49ers or Marathe as some fans fake news shooting about suggests!..
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what do you make of what DF said?
posted on 22/8/24
I agree with lufcgermany. Being 'in the building' and having sign off are massively different.
Think many on here just want to 'blame' someone still here rather than accept that's not the case.
But like everyone else. I don't know. That might be bolleaux and it's is 49ers fault.
posted on 22/8/24
We need to beat Sheff. Wed...no 2 ways about this.
posted on 22/8/24
When my daughter comes home from work and proceeds to spend 30 minutes telling us how bad her day was, little does she know just how much she brings the mood of the house down. We dread her coming home and my wife and I try to enjoy the day whilst she is at work, and we wish that she would try and keep her negative thoughts to a minimum if not any at all. It feels like that in here, sometimes.
posted on 22/8/24
Unless we have cast iron facts that 100% confirm
Marathe/49ers were responsible for the claues,
we're just speculating...right up to Archie's new deal.
That one had a release clause that was fully down
to current ownership. 100%. So, by that, you could
rightly assume they were involved in all or some of
the other clause laced contracts. However, it's all just
reasonably backed assumptions. TWIW, I believe
they were involved in a few of them.
posted on 22/8/24
* But I can't prove it.
posted on 22/8/24
👍 yep, fair comments above. Just want to add, I’m tired of all this too and the only reason I’ve raised it again - is because DF has raised it again. I think it’s wrong that DF keeps mentioning it and no-one seems to pull him up about the facts surrounding Kinnear, Marathe and Lowy. I’m disappointed Popey hasn’t directly asked a question about this in the pressers.
posted on 22/8/24
I can’t believe how many people think the relegation release clause in Ritter’s contract was stupid. Not a chance we could have signed a player with his reputation without one given our position. No one with expectations of playing at the highest level would sign without one and setting at a level that would give us a profit is more than fair.
It’s the stupid loan clauses that cost us and crippled our ability to sign players.
posted on 22/8/24
Light, its not a case of what Farke says, he's not defending himself or pointing the finger, he's only saying it how it was!..
So if the 49ers or Marathe had so much say,(oh yes, here comes a question I've asked a few times and nobody has tried to answer!)
Why did they not block the Harrison move instead of paying what was it, 15m?..
They did not have the final say but get the blame for the outcome, weird!..
posted on 22/8/24
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
I can’t believe how many people think the relegation release clause in Ritter’s contract was stupid. Not a chance we could have signed a player with his reputation without one given our position. No one with expectations of playing at the highest level would sign without one and setting at a level that would give us a profit is more than fair.
It’s the stupid loan clauses that cost us and crippled our ability to sign players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Add to that the fact that leeds were not an established premiership side when we signed these players.
Sure Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool probably won't have relegation clauses, but we were barely hanging on when we signed Rutter, his agent would have been borderline negligent had he not insisted on a relegation release clause for his client
posted on 22/8/24
I can’t believe how many people think the relegation release clause in Ritter’s contract was stupid.
It’s the stupid loan clauses that cost us and crippled our ability to sign players.
^^^
So in your opinion are the clauses stupid or not stupid?
You seem to imply people are stupid for thinking the
clauses are stupid. Because anyone would be stupid to not install them when signing with a team like us.
But the stupid clauses are what's lead to this
stupid situation. Or am I stupid?
posted on 22/8/24
You don’t even understand the difference between £40m and £0?
How are you alive?
posted on 22/8/24
I don't think its the club that are asking for these clauses, its the agents advising their clients and them agreeing to them!..
So no matter who at the club signed them, it might be crippling for us but safeguards their future, and that is a problem that isn't going to go away!..
posted on 22/8/24
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Unless we have cast iron facts that 100% confirm
Marathe/49ers were responsible for the claues,
we're just speculating...right up to Archie's new deal.
That one had a release clause that was fully down
to current ownership. 100%. So, by that, you could
rightly assume they were involved in all or some of
the other clause laced contracts. However, it's all just
reasonably backed assumptions. TWIW, I believe
they were involved in a few of them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
48ers intervened to stop Harrison leaving and look at what contract he had subsequently.
posted on 22/8/24
Would we have wanted Harrison at the time or if a year out of the premiership and then promoted?
Hindsight a wonderful thing……. Nice to see some balance on this post rather than associating comments to suit an agenda against owners and the club
Unless I have missed it DF never said the owners didn’t try to sort out contracts, just said they needed to be ready for consequences….
I have said on a different post anyone thinking Rutter would agree to a new contract after relegation is naive….. contracts work both ways
posted on 22/8/24
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 3 hours, 44 minutes ago
How are you alive?
^^^
It's a miracle.
posted on 22/8/24
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 3 hours, 44 minutes ago
How are you alive?
^^^
It's a miracle.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I will pray for you
posted on 23/8/24
“Unless I have missed it DF never said the owners didn’t try to sort out contracts,”
Quote above from DF:
“ No-one is to be blamed from our key people because no-one was, more or less, there when we had to take the decisions to sign the contracts off, even a few years ago, with exit clauses. "
posted on 23/8/24
For some fans, there are endless excuses for poor ownership, poor management, poor performances and they ultimately accept whatever is served up to them.
Presumably to garner favour with fellow supporters, they forever create false new deadlines by which time there must be noticeable improvement, “or else”.
Of course, the “or else” never materialises as these fans just invent another false deadline … and so on and so forth, ad infinitum, it goes.
Are these fans the loyal lifeblood of a proud football club or are they the very reason a club is deep in the mire?
Talking Leeds now, for me it’s very clear.
By giving the 49ers (et al, before, and those to come) a free pass, or making the most asthenic, feigning of protests, these fans are a principal reason we’re in a monumental mess.
Until fans stand up and say ‘no-more’ and actually mean it, the 49ers will continue to treat the club and fans with, apparent, utter contempt.
As for mealy-mouthed Daniel Farke, he will be gone soon enough, but he’s not the real problem.
posted on 23/8/24
“ 48ers intervened …”
I always thought they were one sandwich short of a picnic🤣.
posted on 23/8/24
Light brigade
Assume you are proving my point re DF but clearly you read it the other way.
Also then sweeping comments about Leeds fans generally because it fits your agenda and your truth.
We are all entitled to opinions and debate, even you
posted on 23/8/24
Hi Ull … tbh there were so many negates in your sentence I wasn’t sure of the final sense of it (whether or not you were agreeing/disagreeing with what I’d posted above). Anyway, absolutely no probs, I’m just quoting facts (DF verbatim from his presser and HMRC Companies House records) so people can believe those facts or not. Up to them👍.
Sure, my comments about some Leeds fans (not all - have you got an agenda?😁) are conjecture, but I’m struggling to understand why some Leeds fans ignore the published facts. Anyway, I agree everyone is entitled to an opinion … and no, I don’t have an agenda👍.
posted on 23/8/24
TBF Light, not always easy to get points across on text but reading some of the the other articles on here re DF press conference it is interesting how his comments have been interpreted by different people. And no I don't have an agenda
But to suggest its fans fault we are in the mire, really ?
Just to let you know HMRC and Companies house are 2 separate agencies of government. I know it is important to you to make sure the facts are correct
posted on 23/8/24
comment by Buntingford White (U9786)
posted 17 hours, 57 minutes ago
When my daughter comes home from work and proceeds to spend 30 minutes telling us how bad her day was, little does she know just how much she brings the mood of the house down. We dread her coming home and my wife and I try to enjoy the day whilst she is at work, and we wish that she would try and keep her negative thoughts to a minimum if not any at all. It feels like that in here, sometimes.
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Mood hoovers my wife calls em. To be fair supporting LUFC is exactly mood enhancing sometimes 👍
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