Ten Hag and Ruud are going have to get a tune out of these players before its too late.

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Or Ruud throw him under the bus and take over.

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Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
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comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
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I think he’ll get the season and they’ll look at it again in the summer. I’m more concerned by their failure to address the midfield and attack. Going into the season with these options was asking for trouble.
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The midfield is not working because of the way the manager sets it up. Bruno’s terrible lack of discipline, the fact that he is always all over the pitch makes it extremely difficult for Casimero and Mainoo to control the game. They look good with disciplined players like Mount or Ambrabat.
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And because our midfield options aren’t very good.

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I do look back on last summer's business, like I do pretty much every summer and think if we'd just waited another year to sign a centre forward and instead brought in Marcus Thuram on a free, not signed Mount, signed two actual midfielders and bought Toney this summer, we'd have been much better off, under Ten Hag or any other manager.
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We could have had Thuram on a free, Gyokeres for £17m & Kudus for £38m. Two CF’s and a versatile attacker with pace, power and skill.
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Kudus, you say?

Did Eth say he's not Harry Potter during his post match interview?!

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
Did Eth say he's not Harry Potter during his post match interview?!


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No, he said: "You guys could have had Graham Potter."

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Did Eth say he's not Harry Potter during his post match interview?!


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I bet he wishes he had an invisibility cloak.

He said he’s Voldemort.

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posted 10 minutes ago
He said he’s Voldemort.
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He's looking like him with every defeat!

Ten Hagrid

comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Strike now whilst sir Gareth is still available.
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I’m out burning down windmills, shredding tulips, and defacing Van Gough Paintings, this must end now unless I get distracted in the Amsterdam red light district and call a temporary truce .

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comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
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Strike now whilst sir Gareth is still available.
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I’m out burning down windmills, shredding tulips, and defacing Van Gough Paintings, this must end now unless I get distracted in the Amsterdam red light district and call a temporary truce .
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Well, that’s the revolution facked then, enjoy the red light distract. Say hi to pun’s mum

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comment by Vengeance (U23079)
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Did Eth say he's not Harry Potter during his post match interview?!


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I bet he wishes he had an invisibility cloak.
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He would have the resurrection stone too, but sir Jim has stolen that

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comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face (U19119)
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Strike now whilst sir Gareth is still available.
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I’m out burning down windmills, shredding tulips, and defacing Van Gough Paintings, this must end now unless I get distracted in the Amsterdam red light district and call a temporary truce .
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Well, that’s the revolution facked then, enjoy the red light distract. Say hi to pun’s mum
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Brought her out a bag of ping pong balls not sure why she needs so many ?

"It is not like I am Harry Potter. You have to acknowledge that."

Acknowledged m8

Less 'Expecto Patronum' and more 'Expecto P45'

Old Jim’s certainly wishing he’d quidditched him when he had the chance.

"Manuel Ugarte did not play one minute - he needs to build his fitness. Then we have to build him into the team. I am sure he will contribute to our team. It will take a couple of weeks, maybe even a month. That is the same for a lot of players."

I really hope he will turn it around but he’d run out of excuses if the performance is not improved after international break

I was travelling yesterday afternoon, and recorded the match, then accidentally found out the score, so I couldn't stomach watching it.

I'm not one for pinning my identity to pro-/anti- camps when it comes to managers but I thought ETH did a very unimpressive job last season. The injury situation and unbalanced squad were genuine challenges, but I'd have liked to see more creativity in his tactical responses to these, and more evidence of an ability to get our players to buy into his ideas. Constant references to 'not following the plan' started to feel a bit hollow. Generally, I take the view that I know far less than the people making decisions about these things, but if someone had made me decide, I'd have sacked him at the end of the season. A one-off performance and result should never contradict the evidence of a whole season.

As for now, my scepticism about ETH obviously hasn't gone away. But he's been kept on and he's now introducing new players + new tactical adjustments. In the same way as the FA Cup final was too small a data sample to justifiably change minds, nor are three league matches. I can't comment on the performance against Liverpool, but against Fulham and Brighton I did see evidence of improvement, and a sense of a new work in progress. So for me personally, it's about observing that work in progress over the coming weeks and hoping that we see growth in its coherence. For the time being, 'in' and 'out' are a bit irrelevant, unless we have the kind of total breakdown that spelled the end of Solskjaer's and Mourinho's tenures.

So for me personally, it's about observing that work in progress over the coming weeks and hoping that we see growth in its coherence. For the time being, 'in' and 'out' are a bit irrelevant, unless we have the kind of total breakdown that spelled the end of Solskjaer's and Mourinho's tenures.

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Kind of how I feel, except I'm not sure it would even take that level of breakdown. We can't know for sure but the cup win very likely gave him a stay of execution that he otherwise simply wouldn't have had. Maybe INEOS won't need many further excuses to pull the trigger.

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So for me personally, it's about observing that work in progress over the coming weeks and hoping that we see growth in its coherence. For the time being, 'in' and 'out' are a bit irrelevant, unless we have the kind of total breakdown that spelled the end of Solskjaer's and Mourinho's tenures.

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Kind of how I feel, except I'm not sure it would even take that level of breakdown. We can't know for sure but the cup win very likely gave him a stay of execution that he otherwise simply wouldn't have had. Maybe INEOS won't need many further excuses to pull the trigger.
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I'd be both surprised and disappointed if the cup win was the decisive factor. Ineos were pretty clear that the process would take place as planned at the end of the season, and ETH's future would be decided based on that process. Given the discussions with other managers that took place around the end of the season, I'd guess they were very open to appointing a new head coach. I'd also guess that they wanted to be confident that Ten Hag's successor is the right fit both for the long term project and well placed to navigate the immediate challenges. It seems they didn't have confidence that the right person was available, or else they couldn't sell him the United job at this moment.

But I'm not sure that Ineos's ambivalence about ETH means they have the guillotine primed now. It's obviously much more disruptive making a change mid-season than in May-June. They've built a strategy for 2024-25 in cooperation with ETH. There's very little new information about his capabilities as a coach that Ineos will gain over the next few weeks that they didn't already have in May. And they know there's a bedding in period with new players and ideas (and new assistant coaches making their mark). If they rigorously thought through their decisions in the summer - to keep Ten Hag, to freshen up his coaching team, to bring in the players we bought - then it makes sense to back those decisions and see them play out. Unless, as I say, the team goes into obvious free-fall.

Maybe I'm being very harsh but I do see some of the signs of a free fall now.

We seem OK in games until we have a setback and then we struggle. Perhaps I'm being very harsh here but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he lost his job before our next game. Obviously though the best scenario is him proving me wrong and people bringing this article up stating I was wrong! I'd be delighted to be!

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
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Maybe I'm being very harsh but I do see some of the signs of a free fall now.

We seem OK in games until we have a setback and then we struggle. Perhaps I'm being very harsh here but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he lost his job before our next game. Obviously though the best scenario is him proving me wrong and people bringing this article up stating I was wrong! I'd be delighted to be!
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That’ll keep happening until we get a squad of top players in their prime. We’ve got too many past it, not yet it or just shiiiiiit players in the squad.

I have some sympathy for the new recruitment team in their pursuit of changing that, as we’ve had years of poor transfers and contract management that has put us in this mess. But I don’t think they’ve addressed enough of the areas that we needed to in terms of incomings for this season to be a ‘success’.

Question remains whether they’re patient enough for their transfer policy to bear fruit.

Diafol, maybe you're not being harsh. I didn't see yesterday's match and maybe it was really bad. Brighton didn't look like freefall to me - a very encouraging first half, created good chances, extremely unlucky to not go in front, two defensive errors, and some obvious questions about fading at the end of matches.

I know I'm possibly a bit annoyed as it was Liverpool but we're seeing the same things far too often for my liking. Yes, we're better than last season but that was a very low bar.

We've probably improved the floor of the squad but we could really do with more top class players in attacking positions or for the players we have to step up and show their best.

I agree about the squad. I think the management has taken a decision to prioritise performance in 2-3 years over immediate impact. We can criticise that, but the corollary of investing more in proven attacking players in their prime years would of course be doing less to address the floor of the squad. The quality player in his prime will also need replacing sooner, and perhaps we don't get to build a decent team around him before he starts to decline.

Anyway, isn't that discussion separate from the ETH in/out question? ETH isn't driving our recruitment strategy.

Yes, to be fair that's probably another discussion!

Yes, we were better in our first two games this season in some aspects of our play but we're also quite toothless up front.

if Ten Hag is to survive he's going to have to strike a balance between being solid whilst also being a threat. Of course he doesn't miss the chances and make individual mistakes but other teams do this to and still find a way to win.