The train I normally get is 10p cheaper for a return than a single so all the locals get a return ticket and the good ones leave the return ticket on top of the ticket machine if they are only going one way so can just pick that up and travel for free. Doesn't work if you need to be back that same day obviously.
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
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Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
SNCF has about ten times that amount of debt.
It's all very well blaming capitalism and the Tories blah blah blah but its either the user or the tax payer who pays for it.
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The train I normally get is 10p cheaper for a return than a single so all the locals get a return ticket and the good ones leave the return ticket on top of the ticket machine if they are only going one way so can just pick that up and travel for free. Doesn't work if you need to be back that same day obviously.
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That's nice. Reminds me of when people give up parking tickets paid for if there's some time left, little reminders we're a society
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
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Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
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Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
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posted 4 minutes ago
SNCF has about ten times that amount of debt.
It's all very well blaming capitalism and the Tories blah blah blah but its either the user or the tax payer who pays for it.
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Yes, it is very well and good, because it is the facking fault of the Tories and their capitalist pals.
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SNCF has about ten times that amount of debt.
It's all very well blaming capitalism and the Tories blah blah blah but its either the user or the tax payer who pays for it.
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Yes, it is very well and good, because it is the facking fault of the Tories and their capitalist pals.
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Was just thinking that
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posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
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Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
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Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
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Instead it is run inefficiently and at a massive cost to the taxpayer.
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posted 4 minutes ago
SNCF has about ten times that amount of debt.
It's all very well blaming capitalism and the Tories blah blah blah but its either the user or the tax payer who pays for it.
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Yes, it is very well and good, because it is the facking fault of the Tories and their capitalist pals.
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Wow, such depth of reasoning.
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posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
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Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
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Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
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Instead it is run inefficiently and at a massive cost to the taxpayer.
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Man, and I’m going to try to be as polite as possible here, and I’m sure that you aren’t, but you sound like a simp.
Again, the UK exchequer ploughs *seven times* as much into the UK rail network *annually* as the PT exchequer wrote off once in 2022.
Would you be up for privatising the road network Devon guy?
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Would you be up for privatising the road network Devon guy?
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I’m sure that the private sector would run the road network much more efficiently and at a reduced cost to the taxpayer…
Whether it be trains, tubes, or whatever mode of transport, I've been fortunate enough to have used various systems abroad, and perhaps I have just been in holiday mode, but they seem more efficient, cleaner and cheaper than what we have in the UK.
Regardless of who is in charge, we don't seem to provide public services very well, whether they are run by the private or public sector. Compared to most countries, we are still a relatively low taxed country, and we don't seem to invest properly in our services, or just fob it off on the private sector, who surprise surprise, seem more interested in making profits than really ensuring they provide great services.
If it's state-run, the government don't run it well, if it's privately owned, companies don't seem to be severely held to account if they don't meet required standards etc.
We are like a badly run football club with too many luxury players, but have limitless numbers of fans who just keep ploughing money into us.................
i satnext to vv brown a couple of years ago. id never. heard of her but it turns out she's reasonably famous, dhes had a number 1 in France, been on top of the pops and the equivalent. she had her two you faughters with her and we had a four seat booth. We had a great time together, lots of laughter, i went and bought them coffees/pop and cakes, later dhe went and bought me two glasses of red. We exchanged email addresses and both said it was one of the best journeys we had had.
Thought that said you sat next to a "brown couple" and was wondering were that was heading
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i satnext to vv brown a couple of years ago. id never. heard of her but it turns out she's reasonably famous, dhes had a number 1 in France, been on top of the pops and the equivalent. she had her two you faughters with her and we had a four seat booth. We had a great time together, lots of laughter, i went and bought them coffees/pop and cakes, later dhe went and bought me two glasses of red. We exchanged email addresses and both said it was one of the best journeys we had had.
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Sorry for the mis-types, new keyboard.
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For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
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Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
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Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
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Instead it is run inefficiently and at a massive cost to the taxpayer.
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Man, and I’m going to try to be as polite as possible here, and I’m sure that you aren’t, but you sound like a simp.
Again, the UK exchequer ploughs *seven times* as much into the UK rail network *annually* as the PT exchequer wrote off once in 2022.
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Im the simp?
You are comparing systems of countries where one has 7 times the population and a vastly bigger railway network than the other. I wonder which one may cost the most to run
And i was referring to the Portuguese Government clearing debt, not the cost of running the network, which is what your UK exchequer is referring to.
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i satnext to vv brown a couple of years ago. id never. heard of her but it turns out she's reasonably famous, dhes had a number 1 in France, been on top of the pops and the equivalent. she had her two you faughters with her and we had a four seat booth. We had a great time together, lots of laughter, i went and bought them coffees/pop and cakes, later dhe went and bought me two glasses of red. We exchanged email addresses and both said it was one of the best journeys we had had.
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Sorry for the mis-types, new keyboard.
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The influence of 4za I thought !
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=RbITW_TQPlE&si=qk6CDVVAkq7MmC3n
Here's the woman in question
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For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
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Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
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Instead it is run inefficiently and at a massive cost to the taxpayer.
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Man, and I’m going to try to be as polite as possible here, and I’m sure that you aren’t, but you sound like a simp.
Again, the UK exchequer ploughs *seven times* as much into the UK rail network *annually* as the PT exchequer wrote off once in 2022.
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Im the simp?
You are comparing systems of countries where one has 7 times the population and a vastly bigger railway network than the other. I wonder which one may cost the most to run
And i was referring to the Portuguese Government clearing debt, not the cost of running the network, which is what your UK exchequer is referring to.
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I hope you’re invested and collecting some of those juicy dividends, I really do.
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Would you be up for privatising the road network Devon guy?
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I’m sure that the private sector would run the road network much more efficiently and at a reduced cost to the taxpayer…
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The pot holes in my road would suggest the job could be done better.
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Would you be up for privatising the road network Devon guy?
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I’m sure that the private sector would run the road network much more efficiently and at a reduced cost to the taxpayer…
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How do you mean run it ?
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
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I wasn't around but a few people have told me of the state of the rail system when it was sold. It sounded as though it was a dire state.
And even though it's privatised, many fares are still regulated by the government and network rail is largely funded too.
It's a mess, just like the NHS and Royal Mail, semi-privatisation results in a lack of accountability and drive for continuous improvement of services.
I guess you have to consider whether an affordable, government owned rail system had a positive enough impact on the economy to justify what would be significant losses.
Even if private railway profits were £0, it'd still be expensive and badly run.
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posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
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Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Instead it is run inefficiently and at a massive cost to the taxpayer.
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Man, and I’m going to try to be as polite as possible here, and I’m sure that you aren’t, but you sound like a simp.
Again, the UK exchequer ploughs *seven times* as much into the UK rail network *annually* as the PT exchequer wrote off once in 2022.
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Im the simp?
You are comparing systems of countries where one has 7 times the population and a vastly bigger railway network than the other. I wonder which one may cost the most to run
And i was referring to the Portuguese Government clearing debt, not the cost of running the network, which is what your UK exchequer is referring to.
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I hope you’re invested and collecting some of those juicy dividends, I really do.
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Not directly but I'm sure the Govt have our pensions in there getting a return, as will many private pensions.
What's your job by the way. Does it rely on making profits to allow for your continued employment and investment into the company, and a return on investment, or is there someone just bailing out losses and ignoring any need to drive performance and efficiencies.
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posted on 12/9/24
The train I normally get is 10p cheaper for a return than a single so all the locals get a return ticket and the good ones leave the return ticket on top of the ticket machine if they are only going one way so can just pick that up and travel for free. Doesn't work if you need to be back that same day obviously.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
posted on 12/9/24
SNCF has about ten times that amount of debt.
It's all very well blaming capitalism and the Tories blah blah blah but its either the user or the tax payer who pays for it.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by Michel Pageaud (U1734)
The train I normally get is 10p cheaper for a return than a single so all the locals get a return ticket and the good ones leave the return ticket on top of the ticket machine if they are only going one way so can just pick that up and travel for free. Doesn't work if you need to be back that same day obviously.
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That's nice. Reminds me of when people give up parking tickets paid for if there's some time left, little reminders we're a society
posted on 12/9/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
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Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
SNCF has about ten times that amount of debt.
It's all very well blaming capitalism and the Tories blah blah blah but its either the user or the tax payer who pays for it.
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Yes, it is very well and good, because it is the facking fault of the Tories and their capitalist pals.
posted on 12/9/24
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posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
SNCF has about ten times that amount of debt.
It's all very well blaming capitalism and the Tories blah blah blah but its either the user or the tax payer who pays for it.
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Yes, it is very well and good, because it is the facking fault of the Tories and their capitalist pals.
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Was just thinking that
posted on 12/9/24
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
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Instead it is run inefficiently and at a massive cost to the taxpayer.
posted on 12/9/24
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posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
SNCF has about ten times that amount of debt.
It's all very well blaming capitalism and the Tories blah blah blah but its either the user or the tax payer who pays for it.
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Yes, it is very well and good, because it is the facking fault of the Tories and their capitalist pals.
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Wow, such depth of reasoning.
posted on 12/9/24
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Instead it is run inefficiently and at a massive cost to the taxpayer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Man, and I’m going to try to be as polite as possible here, and I’m sure that you aren’t, but you sound like a simp.
Again, the UK exchequer ploughs *seven times* as much into the UK rail network *annually* as the PT exchequer wrote off once in 2022.
posted on 12/9/24
Would you be up for privatising the road network Devon guy?
posted on 12/9/24
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posted 3 minutes ago
Would you be up for privatising the road network Devon guy?
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I’m sure that the private sector would run the road network much more efficiently and at a reduced cost to the taxpayer…
posted on 12/9/24
Whether it be trains, tubes, or whatever mode of transport, I've been fortunate enough to have used various systems abroad, and perhaps I have just been in holiday mode, but they seem more efficient, cleaner and cheaper than what we have in the UK.
Regardless of who is in charge, we don't seem to provide public services very well, whether they are run by the private or public sector. Compared to most countries, we are still a relatively low taxed country, and we don't seem to invest properly in our services, or just fob it off on the private sector, who surprise surprise, seem more interested in making profits than really ensuring they provide great services.
If it's state-run, the government don't run it well, if it's privately owned, companies don't seem to be severely held to account if they don't meet required standards etc.
We are like a badly run football club with too many luxury players, but have limitless numbers of fans who just keep ploughing money into us.................
posted on 12/9/24
i satnext to vv brown a couple of years ago. id never. heard of her but it turns out she's reasonably famous, dhes had a number 1 in France, been on top of the pops and the equivalent. she had her two you faughters with her and we had a four seat booth. We had a great time together, lots of laughter, i went and bought them coffees/pop and cakes, later dhe went and bought me two glasses of red. We exchanged email addresses and both said it was one of the best journeys we had had.
posted on 12/9/24
Thought that said you sat next to a "brown couple" and was wondering were that was heading
posted on 12/9/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 0 seconds ago
i satnext to vv brown a couple of years ago. id never. heard of her but it turns out she's reasonably famous, dhes had a number 1 in France, been on top of the pops and the equivalent. she had her two you faughters with her and we had a four seat booth. We had a great time together, lots of laughter, i went and bought them coffees/pop and cakes, later dhe went and bought me two glasses of red. We exchanged email addresses and both said it was one of the best journeys we had had.
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Sorry for the mis-types, new keyboard.
posted on 12/9/24
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comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
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Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
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Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
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Instead it is run inefficiently and at a massive cost to the taxpayer.
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Man, and I’m going to try to be as polite as possible here, and I’m sure that you aren’t, but you sound like a simp.
Again, the UK exchequer ploughs *seven times* as much into the UK rail network *annually* as the PT exchequer wrote off once in 2022.
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Im the simp?
You are comparing systems of countries where one has 7 times the population and a vastly bigger railway network than the other. I wonder which one may cost the most to run
And i was referring to the Portuguese Government clearing debt, not the cost of running the network, which is what your UK exchequer is referring to.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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i satnext to vv brown a couple of years ago. id never. heard of her but it turns out she's reasonably famous, dhes had a number 1 in France, been on top of the pops and the equivalent. she had her two you faughters with her and we had a four seat booth. We had a great time together, lots of laughter, i went and bought them coffees/pop and cakes, later dhe went and bought me two glasses of red. We exchanged email addresses and both said it was one of the best journeys we had had.
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Sorry for the mis-types, new keyboard.
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The influence of 4za I thought !
posted on 12/9/24
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=RbITW_TQPlE&si=qk6CDVVAkq7MmC3n
Here's the woman in question
posted on 12/9/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Instead it is run inefficiently and at a massive cost to the taxpayer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Man, and I’m going to try to be as polite as possible here, and I’m sure that you aren’t, but you sound like a simp.
Again, the UK exchequer ploughs *seven times* as much into the UK rail network *annually* as the PT exchequer wrote off once in 2022.
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Im the simp?
You are comparing systems of countries where one has 7 times the population and a vastly bigger railway network than the other. I wonder which one may cost the most to run
And i was referring to the Portuguese Government clearing debt, not the cost of running the network, which is what your UK exchequer is referring to.
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I hope you’re invested and collecting some of those juicy dividends, I really do.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Michel Pageaud (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
Would you be up for privatising the road network Devon guy?
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I’m sure that the private sector would run the road network much more efficiently and at a reduced cost to the taxpayer…
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The pot holes in my road would suggest the job could be done better.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Michel Pageaud (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
Would you be up for privatising the road network Devon guy?
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I’m sure that the private sector would run the road network much more efficiently and at a reduced cost to the taxpayer…
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How do you mean run it ?
posted on 12/9/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
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I wasn't around but a few people have told me of the state of the rail system when it was sold. It sounded as though it was a dire state.
And even though it's privatised, many fares are still regulated by the government and network rail is largely funded too.
It's a mess, just like the NHS and Royal Mail, semi-privatisation results in a lack of accountability and drive for continuous improvement of services.
posted on 12/9/24
I guess you have to consider whether an affordable, government owned rail system had a positive enough impact on the economy to justify what would be significant losses.
Even if private railway profits were £0, it'd still be expensive and badly run.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
For reference - I used to pick up a first class ticket from Wolverhampton to Euston for anywhere between £40 and £80 return, only 5 years ago.
The same ticket for next Wednesday is £250.
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Lol.
I can get from my local train station to Lisbon (200 miles away, so the same as Manc to London) for €24 if I book a week in advance. The most I’d ever have to pay, buying an open ticket on the day, would be €48.
State owned rail company, prices regulated by the govt.
The Brits allowed the Tories to sell their souls to private shareholders and are reaping the rewards of unfettered boot-on-the-neck capitalism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt the Portuguese Govt recently write-off about 2bn in debt from the national railway?
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Yep, in 2022, which I believe is about one-seventh of what the UK exchequer ploughs into the UK operational rail network every year.
The biggest difference is that nobody is creaming vast profits off the Portuguese rail network.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Instead it is run inefficiently and at a massive cost to the taxpayer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Man, and I’m going to try to be as polite as possible here, and I’m sure that you aren’t, but you sound like a simp.
Again, the UK exchequer ploughs *seven times* as much into the UK rail network *annually* as the PT exchequer wrote off once in 2022.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im the simp?
You are comparing systems of countries where one has 7 times the population and a vastly bigger railway network than the other. I wonder which one may cost the most to run
And i was referring to the Portuguese Government clearing debt, not the cost of running the network, which is what your UK exchequer is referring to.
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I hope you’re invested and collecting some of those juicy dividends, I really do.
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Not directly but I'm sure the Govt have our pensions in there getting a return, as will many private pensions.
What's your job by the way. Does it rely on making profits to allow for your continued employment and investment into the company, and a return on investment, or is there someone just bailing out losses and ignoring any need to drive performance and efficiencies.
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