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City’s punishment

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posted on 17/9/24

comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Sylvia Vrethammar (U22339)
posted 1 minute ago
There has been early reports of a 30pt deduction for this season.

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Really interested in seeing this. Any links?
thanks
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Found it:

Said one sports lawyer "If, on the other hand, some of the charges like those involving Mancini aren’t as clear-cut as people think and we’re talking about multiple PSR breaches, you might be looking at a 30-point deduction.

An anonymous sports lawyer. Must be one of you lot on here (there's a lot to choose from).

posted on 17/9/24

United are exempt from PSR, waste of time posting it on here

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 12 seconds ago
United are exempt from PSR, waste of time posting it on here
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Who is the worst owner in Manchester, tax dodging Brexiteer Jim or the tax dodging Shiekh?

posted on 17/9/24

Tax dodging Glazers, they’ve been at it longer

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
Tax dodging Glazers, they’ve been at it longer
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Manchester, tax dodging capital of the country

posted on 17/9/24

comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 39 minutes ago
I noticed that this week's mid-week games for clubs whose name starts with "Manchester" are:

Manchester City v Inter Milan, and;
Manchester United v Barnsley.

No wonder they're frothing at the mouth.
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and City play the mighty Watford next week.

High five for trying though, peter.

posted on 17/9/24

If they have cheated by breaking 115 rules then the club should be wound up. That is just punishment.

But they probably havent or its hard to prove, and they can appeal or counter charge... and they have a lot more money than the PL and probably better lawyers... so its all going tp be a waste of time at great expense to the PL in the end if they do persue it right to the end.. which they wont....

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 39 minutes ago
I noticed that this week's mid-week games for clubs whose name starts with "Manchester" are:

Manchester City v Inter Milan, and;
Manchester United v Barnsley.

No wonder they're frothing at the mouth.
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and City play the mighty Watford next week.

High five for trying though, peter.
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someone who thought I was serious.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 17/9/24

Assuming that they are found guilty of some of the serious charges, those titles are forever tainted. I don't see how they can't be. Whether they should be stripped of the titles, I don't know. They probably should be. But given them to the 2nd place team won't really mean anything to them either. How hollow would it be for a player/manager to receive a PL medal years after the season finished?

It'll really make a mockery of the PL of they are found guilty of some of the more serious charges.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
If they have cheated by breaking 115 rules then the club should be wound up. That is just punishment.

But they probably havent or its hard to prove, and they can appeal or counter charge... and they have a lot more money than the PL and probably better lawyers... so its all going tp be a waste of time at great expense to the PL in the end if they do persue it right to the end.. which they wont....
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There’s no difference in the quality of the lawyers, both are using similar firms.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
Assuming that they are found guilty of some of the serious charges, those titles are forever tainted. I don't see how they can't be. Whether they should be stripped of the titles, I don't know. They probably should be. But given them to the 2nd place team won't really mean anything to them either. How hollow would it be for a player/manager to receive a PL medal years after the season finished?

It'll really make a mockery of the PL of they are found guilty of some of the more serious charges.
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If the serious charges are proven, Manchester City will have more serious problems to deal with than just whether titles will be stripped or relegation.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 12 seconds ago
United are exempt from PSR, waste of time posting it on here
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Who is the worst owner in Manchester, tax dodging Brexiteer Jim or the tax dodging Shiekh?
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That particular corner of the country has had an unfortunate run of imprudent club owners over the past decade.

All the way down the football pyramid.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 17/9/24

comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
Assuming that they are found guilty of some of the serious charges, those titles are forever tainted. I don't see how they can't be. Whether they should be stripped of the titles, I don't know. They probably should be. But given them to the 2nd place team won't really mean anything to them either. How hollow would it be for a player/manager to receive a PL medal years after the season finished?

It'll really make a mockery of the PL of they are found guilty of some of the more serious charges.
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If the serious charges are proven, Manchester City will have more serious problems to deal with than just whether titles will be stripped or relegation.


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Such as?

posted on 17/9/24

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Nothing is going to happen to City. Their lawyers will be better than the cheap ones the Premier League have.

Even if they get found guilty, they will find some way of winning an appeal. Money talks.
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From what I've read, City don't have much leeway to appeal. However, they are threatening to take the PL to court to challenge the legality of their rules. Observers have suggested this is as much a power-play as an attempt to overturn a decision: it presents the possibility of a legal battle that could go on for years, and that would be very expensive for the PL.
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The only appeal for the judgment itself is to another arbitration panel, there’s no avenue to the courts. There is on matters of process and legality but that’s already happened.

On the lawyers, the PLs are just as heavyweight as city’s.
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I think the substantive point on City's latent threat of deploying their lawyers isn't that they have the best ones, but that City will have much more appetite for litigation if they are fighting a draconian punishment. In terms of City's immediate interests and long-term brand, years of wrangling are favourable to a significant points deduction or worse. For the PL's brand and commercial interests, a quick resolution accepted by all parties is important.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
Assuming that they are found guilty of some of the serious charges, those titles are forever tainted. I don't see how they can't be. Whether they should be stripped of the titles, I don't know. They probably should be. But given them to the 2nd place team won't really mean anything to them either. How hollow would it be for a player/manager to receive a PL medal years after the season finished?

It'll really make a mockery of the PL of they are found guilty of some of the more serious charges.
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If the serious charges are proven, Manchester City will have more serious problems to deal with than just whether titles will be stripped or relegation.


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Such as?
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Fraud.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Nothing is going to happen to City. Their lawyers will be better than the cheap ones the Premier League have.

Even if they get found guilty, they will find some way of winning an appeal. Money talks.
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From what I've read, City don't have much leeway to appeal. However, they are threatening to take the PL to court to challenge the legality of their rules. Observers have suggested this is as much a power-play as an attempt to overturn a decision: it presents the possibility of a legal battle that could go on for years, and that would be very expensive for the PL.
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The only appeal for the judgment itself is to another arbitration panel, there’s no avenue to the courts. There is on matters of process and legality but that’s already happened.

On the lawyers, the PLs are just as heavyweight as city’s.
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I think the substantive point on City's latent threat of deploying their lawyers isn't that they have the best ones, but that City will have much more appetite for litigation if they are fighting a draconian punishment. In terms of City's immediate interests and long-term brand, years of wrangling are favourable to a significant points deduction or worse. For the PL's brand and commercial interests, a quick resolution accepted by all parties is important.
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Yes, the lawyer point was more to VCs comment. Thing is, even with a draconian punishment, there’s very little recourse that can be done as the appeal for the judgment itself only has one avenue and even then it’s very limited on what grounds it can be appealed.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 41 minutes ago
Assuming that they are found guilty of some of the serious charges, those titles are forever tainted. I don't see how they can't be. Whether they should be stripped of the titles, I don't know. They probably should be. But given them to the 2nd place team won't really mean anything to them either. How hollow would it be for a player/manager to receive a PL medal years after the season finished?

It'll really make a mockery of the PL of they are found guilty of some of the more serious charges.
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It makes an even bigger mockery if they aren't considering the amount of PR work the Prem and media have put into it.

posted on 17/9/24

2016/17 to be handed to Spurs

posted on 17/9/24

comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
Assuming that they are found guilty of some of the serious charges, those titles are forever tainted. I don't see how they can't be. Whether they should be stripped of the titles, I don't know. They probably should be. But given them to the 2nd place team won't really mean anything to them either. How hollow would it be for a player/manager to receive a PL medal years after the season finished?

It'll really make a mockery of the PL of they are found guilty of some of the more serious charges.
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If the serious charges are proven, Manchester City will have more serious problems to deal with than just whether titles will be stripped or relegation.


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Such as?
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Fraud.
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*Bald Fraud

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
Assuming that they are found guilty of some of the serious charges, those titles are forever tainted. I don't see how they can't be. Whether they should be stripped of the titles, I don't know. They probably should be. But given them to the 2nd place team won't really mean anything to them either. How hollow would it be for a player/manager to receive a PL medal years after the season finished?

It'll really make a mockery of the PL of they are found guilty of some of the more serious charges.
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If the serious charges are proven, Manchester City will have more serious problems to deal with than just whether titles will be stripped or relegation.


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Such as?
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Fraud.
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*Bald Fraud
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This new 007 introduction will never catch on.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
Conference has to be minimum punishment. What would be the point of the Championship, when they would come straight back up in a season. It needs to take a minimum of five seasons, that way most of their better players would have left, and they will have zero advantage.
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Great Post sandy
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They're both back, what a coincidence.

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 50 minutes ago
2016/17 to be handed to Spurs
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Spurs finished above City

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan (U1217)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 50 minutes ago
2016/17 to be handed to Spurs
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Spurs finished above City
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Spurs.

posted on 17/9/24

Two things won't happen

1) City won't get relegated
2) Nobody is getting awarded the Prem title coming second

Also no fine will be enough, a points deduction is vaguely possible - but they'll still win the league

posted on 17/9/24

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 minutes ago
Two things won't happen

1) City won't get relegated
2) Nobody is getting awarded the Prem title coming second

Also no fine will be enough, a points deduction is vaguely possible - but they'll still win the league

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A bit unfair, millions of fans blame City for their own clubs' failings - They'll be riots when it's announced that City are not responsible for Levy's purchases, Arsenal shutting up shop at the Etihad last season or United being forced to buy Sancho and Antony.

It's the Tryranny of The Minority.

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