What i always push back on is OTT statements like "he's rubbish" or as Tarrico i think said earlier "He's very very shiiiit" (sorry if it were someone else, i cannot be bother to trawl thru).
He's not rubbish or shiiiit You arent rubbish and have a better output than the likes of Bruno Fernandes, or more assists that almost everyone else in the league, Saka Neto Eze and Salah included. Most assists in the Spurs squad.
The likes of Antony, Mudryk, Sancho etc...now they're the truly rubbish ones. Yes they may look better on teh eye but they have delivered nothing.
IMO BJ deserves a bit of credit for actually having a decent output in his first season @ Spurs (way better than Son's first season 4G 1A). I am not making out he's world class or the next Messi, but he isn't rubbish or shiiiit. And for all the experts on here who predict he'll never be any better than he is, they are not giving him a chance and as we have seen of late, players will struggle reach their potential and improve if they are being abused, or not being given a chance. He's the new THFC scapegoat.
From all the reports i have read, he's a really nice lad, a hard worker and takes on the instructions from the manager really well. Its just his final pass/shot that needs sharpening up and i hope he is working on that a lot.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
What i always push back on is OTT statements like "he's rubbish" or as Tarrico i think said earlier "He's very very shiiiit" (sorry if it were someone else, i cannot be bother to trawl thru).
He's not rubbish or shiiiit You arent rubbish and have a better output than the likes of Bruno Fernandes, or more assists that almost everyone else in the league, Saka Neto Eze and Salah included. Most assists in the Spurs squad.
The likes of Antony, Mudryk, Sancho etc...now they're the truly rubbish ones. Yes they may look better on teh eye but they have delivered nothing.
IMO BJ deserves a bit of credit for actually having a decent output in his first season @ Spurs (way better than Son's first season 4G 1A). I am not making out he's world class or the next Messi, but he isn't rubbish or shiiiit. And for all the experts on here who predict he'll never be any better than he is, they are not giving him a chance and as we have seen of late, players will struggle reach their potential and improve if they are being abused, or not being given a chance. He's the new THFC scapegoat.
From all the reports i have read, he's a really nice lad, a hard worker and takes on the instructions from the manager really well. Its just his final pass/shot that needs sharpening up and i hope he is working on that a lot.
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Devon.
happy to have him in the squad
but its the money spent on him where we still havent really got a winger that suits how we are playing and we could have spent a lot more on a better player i guess
his wages are probably half of Werners who is a waste of space, keeping him and not strengthening the forward line instead was the big fack up
unfortunately when you look at the pattern of players being abused, with his price tag too, if he doesnt bag lots of goals wouldnt be surprised to see Solanke getting it on social media this season.
if youre just assuming he is just being called chit on social media so closed his account youre being a right c0ck
pretty sure he would have go all that last season as well. people are facked and will probably have given him threats and racial targeted abuse. thats probably why hes closed it.
if hes just closed it for being called chit, we will never know but its his accounts he can do what he likes, hes not asking for anyone to defend him and we have no right to say how someone should feel cause we dunno what theyre going through mentally
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 24 minutes ago
happy to have him in the squad
but its the money spent on him where we still havent really got a winger that suits how we are playing and we could have spent a lot more on a better player i guess
his wages are probably half of Werners who is a waste of space, keeping him and not strengthening the forward line instead was the big fack up
unfortunately when you look at the pattern of players being abused, with his price tag too, if he doesnt bag lots of goals wouldnt be surprised to see Solanke getting it on social media this season.
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The thing is that what you think we need is a rapid player, who can dribble and is a good finisher. So we're talking 15 assists and may be 10 goals.
Who are we signing who can do this and how much are they gonna cost.
Palmer scored 22 goals, 9 were penalties. If they had another penalty taker then he had 13 goals from open play and 11 assists...in a surprisingly amazing season from him.
So if we wanted to buy this sort of output, how much is Palmer costing us and could we get him now?
Fans like to say BJ is rubbish, we need better - Whose better? and how much does that cost?
Other players like Doku, 22 (55m) and Kudus, 24 (40m) are both eye catching dribblers. Both had less goal contributions than BJ. Aaron Lennon was one of the most eye catching wingers in the PL, his output? a bit meh!
BJ does need to improve, be a bit smarter in the way he crosses (he needs to unbalance the defender to earn a bit of space rather than just trying to pass through him, and often hitting him) and be a bit more clinical. He could and should have had 2 or 3 more goals last season.
For me he needs to hit 8-10 goals this season and 10-15 assist to show true improvement. And rather than calling him shiiit, as if i'm some sort of all-knowing judge of a footballer, i'm gonna have his back
Should have bought Anthony Gordon… when we had the chance… recruitment wanted him… Levy said no… bought Johnson instead!!
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There's been so much chat about the way we play as team, high press, high line, no set piece coach & creating a winner's mentality etc that it feels as though there's been a lack of individual coaching. I think this is part of the issue with guys like BJ.
The club has clearly made it its policy to sign young players (& that's fine) but I can't help noticing that despite playing more of an attacking style its obvious that there are still lots of induvial errors, lack of structure (esp at set pieces) and very few players who you could actually say have improved under Ange.
Other than VDV maintaining excellent performance levels you could argue that since the great start to last season the likes of Vic, Romero, Bissouma, Sarr, Bents, Madders, BJ, Udogie, Son, Richie & Werner have all stagnated or gone backwards.
Raises a few concerns about the likes of BJ, Bergvall, Gray & Odobert moving forward.
Perhaps a little more coaching from Ange to some of these young players would be a bit more productive than talking endlessly talking about what he won in pub leagues and what his ambitions are ?
comment by Conn & Duncan..Scottish Legends (U15636)
posted 52 minutes ago
Should have bought Anthony Gordon… when we had the chance… recruitment wanted him… Levy said no… bought Johnson instead!!
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You dont know that.
Gordon went to NUFC having 4 goals and 0 assists in his 32 PL games for Everton the previous season.
BJ had 8 PL goals and 4 assists the season before we signed him.
SO we were possibly picking between the 2 of them, similar ages and career progression and price.
Both were a punt, but with hindsight suddenly everyone's a fecking expert.
We should have signed Palmer and Halaand aged 12 blah blah.
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 25 minutes ago
I tell you what, that Clinton NJie was a top class player.
Lewis Holtby was a top Premier League player.
Now if only Danjuma was given a chance, he’d have shown everyone how good he is.
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Bale was shiiiit too. We should have listened to Redknapp and sold him, cut our losses on that £6m outlay
Walker as well. How many brainfarts in defence did he have. But what do you expect for £4m. Whatever happened to him.
Son too £22m on someone id never heard of, then 4 goals in his first season. Stealing a living at Spurs .
I have no idea why we kept faith in these players, they amounted to nothing in the end.
I hate to use Arsenal as an example BUT Legohead comes across a "hands on/training ground" manager and just look at the improvement in the likes of Saliba, Gabriel, White, Odegard, Saka, Martinelli & Havertz
He doesn't sit around chirping about what he won in the same way Ange does and he's far more productive driving his team on from the touchline.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 53 seconds ago
I hate to use Arsenal as an example BUT Legohead comes across a "hands on/training ground" manager and just look at the improvement in the likes of Saliba, Gabriel, White, Odegard, Saka, Martinelli & Havertz
He doesn't sit around chirping about what he won in the same way Ange does and he's far more productive driving his team on from the touchline.
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Rewind to his second season, when they came 8th and most goooons wanted him out. Extolling his virtues then were you?
If you are going to case study Arteta, then at least give Ange the same timeframe to improve us as Arteta had. Everyone has their own style.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 53 seconds ago
I hate to use Arsenal as an example BUT Legohead comes across a "hands on/training ground" manager and just look at the improvement in the likes of Saliba, Gabriel, White, Odegard, Saka, Martinelli & Havertz
He doesn't sit around chirping about what he won in the same way Ange does and he's far more productive driving his team on from the touchline.
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Rewind to his second season, when they came 8th and most goooons wanted him out. Extolling his virtues then were you?
If you are going to case study Arteta, then at least give Ange the same timeframe to improve us as Arteta had. Everyone has their own style.
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Im fine with Ange.... dont think he'll last but was just pointing out Legohead looks a far more enaged/hands on type more in the mould of the Likes of Pep, Klopp, Emry than Ange... who seems to preach what football should be without appearing to do much about it
I'm a big fan of Ange "theory" its the "practical " side that leaves me underwhelmed.at times..... we'll see
Maybe this will be the game it all comes off.... a Thumping 5-0 home win, Chances galore, lots of possession & clinical finishing.... I live in hope
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I think Brennan comes across as a really nice lad, speaks well and inteliigently in press conference. He's not a mercenary type, he clearly cares and according to Ange trains hard and is willing to improve. Therefore I'm ashamed that fans gave him so abuse that he had to delete his account. It's embarrassing as a spurs fan to be honest, is that really going to help the lad ?
With all that said, is he good enough to be in a top 6 side, no unfortunately. His technique and decision making is poor, he's not particularly strong so even though he's quick he can't use it effectively. I don't think there are many teams he'd get a start, which Sums it up really.
I'll still be supporting and wanting him to do well though, as I did Emerson royal who was a terrible footballer. As long as they are showing a willingness to improve and good attitude then they'll get the support
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posted on 20/9/24
What i always push back on is OTT statements like "he's rubbish" or as Tarrico i think said earlier "He's very very shiiiit" (sorry if it were someone else, i cannot be bother to trawl thru).
He's not rubbish or shiiiit You arent rubbish and have a better output than the likes of Bruno Fernandes, or more assists that almost everyone else in the league, Saka Neto Eze and Salah included. Most assists in the Spurs squad.
The likes of Antony, Mudryk, Sancho etc...now they're the truly rubbish ones. Yes they may look better on teh eye but they have delivered nothing.
IMO BJ deserves a bit of credit for actually having a decent output in his first season @ Spurs (way better than Son's first season 4G 1A). I am not making out he's world class or the next Messi, but he isn't rubbish or shiiiit. And for all the experts on here who predict he'll never be any better than he is, they are not giving him a chance and as we have seen of late, players will struggle reach their potential and improve if they are being abused, or not being given a chance. He's the new THFC scapegoat.
From all the reports i have read, he's a really nice lad, a hard worker and takes on the instructions from the manager really well. Its just his final pass/shot that needs sharpening up and i hope he is working on that a lot.
posted on 20/9/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
What i always push back on is OTT statements like "he's rubbish" or as Tarrico i think said earlier "He's very very shiiiit" (sorry if it were someone else, i cannot be bother to trawl thru).
He's not rubbish or shiiiit You arent rubbish and have a better output than the likes of Bruno Fernandes, or more assists that almost everyone else in the league, Saka Neto Eze and Salah included. Most assists in the Spurs squad.
The likes of Antony, Mudryk, Sancho etc...now they're the truly rubbish ones. Yes they may look better on teh eye but they have delivered nothing.
IMO BJ deserves a bit of credit for actually having a decent output in his first season @ Spurs (way better than Son's first season 4G 1A). I am not making out he's world class or the next Messi, but he isn't rubbish or shiiiit. And for all the experts on here who predict he'll never be any better than he is, they are not giving him a chance and as we have seen of late, players will struggle reach their potential and improve if they are being abused, or not being given a chance. He's the new THFC scapegoat.
From all the reports i have read, he's a really nice lad, a hard worker and takes on the instructions from the manager really well. Its just his final pass/shot that needs sharpening up and i hope he is working on that a lot.
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Devon.
posted on 20/9/24
happy to have him in the squad
but its the money spent on him where we still havent really got a winger that suits how we are playing and we could have spent a lot more on a better player i guess
his wages are probably half of Werners who is a waste of space, keeping him and not strengthening the forward line instead was the big fack up
unfortunately when you look at the pattern of players being abused, with his price tag too, if he doesnt bag lots of goals wouldnt be surprised to see Solanke getting it on social media this season.
posted on 20/9/24
if youre just assuming he is just being called chit on social media so closed his account youre being a right c0ck
pretty sure he would have go all that last season as well. people are facked and will probably have given him threats and racial targeted abuse. thats probably why hes closed it.
if hes just closed it for being called chit, we will never know but its his accounts he can do what he likes, hes not asking for anyone to defend him and we have no right to say how someone should feel cause we dunno what theyre going through mentally
posted on 20/9/24
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 24 minutes ago
happy to have him in the squad
but its the money spent on him where we still havent really got a winger that suits how we are playing and we could have spent a lot more on a better player i guess
his wages are probably half of Werners who is a waste of space, keeping him and not strengthening the forward line instead was the big fack up
unfortunately when you look at the pattern of players being abused, with his price tag too, if he doesnt bag lots of goals wouldnt be surprised to see Solanke getting it on social media this season.
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The thing is that what you think we need is a rapid player, who can dribble and is a good finisher. So we're talking 15 assists and may be 10 goals.
Who are we signing who can do this and how much are they gonna cost.
Palmer scored 22 goals, 9 were penalties. If they had another penalty taker then he had 13 goals from open play and 11 assists...in a surprisingly amazing season from him.
So if we wanted to buy this sort of output, how much is Palmer costing us and could we get him now?
Fans like to say BJ is rubbish, we need better - Whose better? and how much does that cost?
Other players like Doku, 22 (55m) and Kudus, 24 (40m) are both eye catching dribblers. Both had less goal contributions than BJ. Aaron Lennon was one of the most eye catching wingers in the PL, his output? a bit meh!
BJ does need to improve, be a bit smarter in the way he crosses (he needs to unbalance the defender to earn a bit of space rather than just trying to pass through him, and often hitting him) and be a bit more clinical. He could and should have had 2 or 3 more goals last season.
For me he needs to hit 8-10 goals this season and 10-15 assist to show true improvement. And rather than calling him shiiit, as if i'm some sort of all-knowing judge of a footballer, i'm gonna have his back
posted on 20/9/24
Should have bought Anthony Gordon… when we had the chance… recruitment wanted him… Levy said no… bought Johnson instead!!
posted on 20/9/24
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 20/9/24
There's been so much chat about the way we play as team, high press, high line, no set piece coach & creating a winner's mentality etc that it feels as though there's been a lack of individual coaching. I think this is part of the issue with guys like BJ.
The club has clearly made it its policy to sign young players (& that's fine) but I can't help noticing that despite playing more of an attacking style its obvious that there are still lots of induvial errors, lack of structure (esp at set pieces) and very few players who you could actually say have improved under Ange.
Other than VDV maintaining excellent performance levels you could argue that since the great start to last season the likes of Vic, Romero, Bissouma, Sarr, Bents, Madders, BJ, Udogie, Son, Richie & Werner have all stagnated or gone backwards.
Raises a few concerns about the likes of BJ, Bergvall, Gray & Odobert moving forward.
Perhaps a little more coaching from Ange to some of these young players would be a bit more productive than talking endlessly talking about what he won in pub leagues and what his ambitions are ?
posted on 20/9/24
comment by Conn & Duncan..Scottish Legends (U15636)
posted 52 minutes ago
Should have bought Anthony Gordon… when we had the chance… recruitment wanted him… Levy said no… bought Johnson instead!!
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You dont know that.
Gordon went to NUFC having 4 goals and 0 assists in his 32 PL games for Everton the previous season.
BJ had 8 PL goals and 4 assists the season before we signed him.
SO we were possibly picking between the 2 of them, similar ages and career progression and price.
Both were a punt, but with hindsight suddenly everyone's a fecking expert.
We should have signed Palmer and Halaand aged 12 blah blah.
posted on 20/9/24
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 25 minutes ago
I tell you what, that Clinton NJie was a top class player.
Lewis Holtby was a top Premier League player.
Now if only Danjuma was given a chance, he’d have shown everyone how good he is.
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Bale was shiiiit too. We should have listened to Redknapp and sold him, cut our losses on that £6m outlay
Walker as well. How many brainfarts in defence did he have. But what do you expect for £4m. Whatever happened to him.
Son too £22m on someone id never heard of, then 4 goals in his first season. Stealing a living at Spurs .
I have no idea why we kept faith in these players, they amounted to nothing in the end.
posted on 20/9/24
I hate to use Arsenal as an example BUT Legohead comes across a "hands on/training ground" manager and just look at the improvement in the likes of Saliba, Gabriel, White, Odegard, Saka, Martinelli & Havertz
He doesn't sit around chirping about what he won in the same way Ange does and he's far more productive driving his team on from the touchline.
posted on 20/9/24
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 53 seconds ago
I hate to use Arsenal as an example BUT Legohead comes across a "hands on/training ground" manager and just look at the improvement in the likes of Saliba, Gabriel, White, Odegard, Saka, Martinelli & Havertz
He doesn't sit around chirping about what he won in the same way Ange does and he's far more productive driving his team on from the touchline.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rewind to his second season, when they came 8th and most goooons wanted him out. Extolling his virtues then were you?
If you are going to case study Arteta, then at least give Ange the same timeframe to improve us as Arteta had. Everyone has their own style.
posted on 20/9/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 53 seconds ago
I hate to use Arsenal as an example BUT Legohead comes across a "hands on/training ground" manager and just look at the improvement in the likes of Saliba, Gabriel, White, Odegard, Saka, Martinelli & Havertz
He doesn't sit around chirping about what he won in the same way Ange does and he's far more productive driving his team on from the touchline.
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Rewind to his second season, when they came 8th and most goooons wanted him out. Extolling his virtues then were you?
If you are going to case study Arteta, then at least give Ange the same timeframe to improve us as Arteta had. Everyone has their own style.
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Im fine with Ange.... dont think he'll last but was just pointing out Legohead looks a far more enaged/hands on type more in the mould of the Likes of Pep, Klopp, Emry than Ange... who seems to preach what football should be without appearing to do much about it
I'm a big fan of Ange "theory" its the "practical " side that leaves me underwhelmed.at times..... we'll see
Maybe this will be the game it all comes off.... a Thumping 5-0 home win, Chances galore, lots of possession & clinical finishing.... I live in hope
posted on 20/9/24
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 20/9/24
I think Brennan comes across as a really nice lad, speaks well and inteliigently in press conference. He's not a mercenary type, he clearly cares and according to Ange trains hard and is willing to improve. Therefore I'm ashamed that fans gave him so abuse that he had to delete his account. It's embarrassing as a spurs fan to be honest, is that really going to help the lad ?
With all that said, is he good enough to be in a top 6 side, no unfortunately. His technique and decision making is poor, he's not particularly strong so even though he's quick he can't use it effectively. I don't think there are many teams he'd get a start, which Sums it up really.
I'll still be supporting and wanting him to do well though, as I did Emerson royal who was a terrible footballer. As long as they are showing a willingness to improve and good attitude then they'll get the support
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