Freighliner Manchester employs 1800 people.
What's going to happen to them if they have to relocate operations to St Helens.
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Freighliner Manchester employs 1800 people.
What's going to happen to them if they have to relocate operations to St Helens.
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What's the distance between the two locations? If not too prohibitive, why not commute? I'd think redundancy would be an option, too.
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Freighliner Manchester employs 1800 people.
What's going to happen to them if they have to relocate operations to St Helens.
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What's the distance between the two locations? If not too prohibitive, why not commute? I'd think redundancy would be an option, too.
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Regeneration would create ample job opportunities as the article suggests.
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Freighliner Manchester employs 1800 people.
What's going to happen to them if they have to relocate operations to St Helens.
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What's the distance between the two locations? If not too prohibitive, why not commute? I'd think redundancy would be an option, too.
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Half an hour by car. Redundancy sucks unless you have 20 years in and you're nearly retired. The most you get is about £20k, that's not even a year on minimum wage. That's statutory by the way, hopefully there's a Union that can negotiate better terms.
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 8 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Freighliner Manchester employs 1800 people.
What's going to happen to them if they have to relocate operations to St Helens.
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What's the distance between the two locations? If not too prohibitive, why not commute? I'd think redundancy would be an option, too.
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Half an hour by car. Redundancy sucks unless you have 20 years in and you're nearly retired. The most you get is about £20k, that's not even a year on minimum wage. That's statutory by the way, hopefully there's a Union that can negotiate better terms.
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£20k tax free is lovely if you can also find another job within a few months. Lots of uncertainty about finding new employment but it can work in your favour too.
Had an email from the club around preferences for redevelopment, wasn’t much of a mention around a new stadium tbh.
until Jim/INEOs/Trawlers/Whoever they are... finally own the Club LS&B I cant see them building a £2B new stadium or redeveloping the existing one, as minor shareholders, on behalf of the incumbent, American, majority shareholders.
If delivering your stadium is dependent on wider regeneration master planning and the relocation of the rail depot, that might well add a couple years to your time line.
A comprehensive refurb would be comfortably deliverable this side of 2030. I dont think a new build would be if it's dependent on such massive wider regen.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 25 minutes ago
Had an email from the club around preferences for redevelopment, wasn’t much of a mention around a new stadium tbh.
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The consultation being led by architect Foster + Partners doesn't include the stadium itself, only the surrounding around of which the majority of land is owned by the club.
There is to be a separate project for the stadium, which Foster + Partners are no doubt hoping to win too given they're also already leading on the training ground project.
There is concurrently a process being undertaken to decide whether to renovate or re-build with a decision due by Christmas on which way to go. I'd be shocked if it isn't a new-build solution, which would very likely see the demolition of OT rather than retention with reduction in capacity. They've been clear they're not out to create a 'sports village' of the likes across the City but rather want the wider development to be conducive more to something like the regeneration seen around Wembley i.e. creating a new community and more importantly improving the environment to make the stadium a 7 day a week venue so they can drive revenue for alternative uses such as conferences as well as increasing dwell times etc on match days by providing places to gather before and after games - personally would love to see something like the 'fan park' at Dortmund recreated in a better format as that was brilliant fun. Not going to be difficult to improve upon what's currently there (or not there as the problem lies).
Don't expect to know anything this side of Christmas however, they're very much in gathering mode if they're seeking opinions now.
In think that in the cold light of day since Jim's initial public proclomations of his dream of a 'Wembley In The North' along side a cut-down existing stadium 'for the girls', the reality is that the best option will probably be a refurb to the existing one in the end. Gary Neville (who is on the exec planning panel) is now openly talking up the refurb option these days.
I just need a decent modern stadium where all things work properly (with large TV screens at each end) that I can park up close to and get in and out and away from on match days (especially evening games) as quickly as possible. It seems they want to create something new completely opposite to that which encourages you to stay around after games. Why would you want to do that especially on a wet and windy school night? Like tonight for example.
Lifts or escalators would be nice if you have seats right at the top tier, especially for older fans.
*like tomorrow for example,
I am against a new stadium. I have so many great memories of the current Old Trafford that I have been to once, that I do not want to lose.
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 12 minutes ago
In think that in the cold light of day since Jim's initial public proclomations of his dream of a 'Wembley In The North' along side a cut-down existing stadium 'for the girls', the reality is that the best option will probably be a refurb to the existing one in the end. Gary Neville (who is on the exec planning panel) is now openly talking up the refurb option these days.
I just need a decent modern stadium where all things work properly (with large TV screens at each end) that I can park up close to and get in and out and away from on match days (especially evening games) as quickly as possible. It seems they want to create something new completely opposite to that which encourages you to stay around after games. Why would you want to do that especially on a wet and windy school night? Like tonight for example.
Lifts or escalators would be nice if you have seats right at the top tier, especially for older fans.
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The car is viewed as the most evil of evil things by planners. They will not make provision for supporter parking. The emphasis will be on sustainable means - bus, train, tram, walk
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
In think that in the cold light of day since Jim's initial public proclomations of his dream of a 'Wembley In The North' along side a cut-down existing stadium 'for the girls', the reality is that the best option will probably be a refurb to the existing one in the end. Gary Neville (who is on the exec planning panel) is now openly talking up the refurb option these days.
I just need a decent modern stadium where all things work properly (with large TV screens at each end) that I can park up close to and get in and out and away from on match days (especially evening games) as quickly as possible. It seems they want to create something new completely opposite to that which encourages you to stay around after games. Why would you want to do that especially on a wet and windy school night? Like tonight for example.
Lifts or escalators would be nice if you have seats right at the top tier, especially for older fans.
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The road links into and out of Old Trafford are awful. I have to get on the M6 and it takes as long getting from OT to the motorway as it does driving 70 miles home from there.
Who is going to pay for it. Ineos isn't
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
In think that in the cold light of day since Jim's initial public proclomations of his dream of a 'Wembley In The North' along side a cut-down existing stadium 'for the girls', the reality is that the best option will probably be a refurb to the existing one in the end. Gary Neville (who is on the exec planning panel) is now openly talking up the refurb option these days.
I just need a decent modern stadium where all things work properly (with large TV screens at each end) that I can park up close to and get in and out and away from on match days (especially evening games) as quickly as possible. It seems they want to create something new completely opposite to that which encourages you to stay around after games. Why would you want to do that especially on a wet and windy school night? Like tonight for example.
Lifts or escalators would be nice if you have seats right at the top tier, especially for older fans.
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The road links into and out of Old Trafford are awful. I have to get on the M6 and it takes as long getting from OT to the motorway as it does driving 70 miles home from there.
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Who'd have thought that 70 odd thousand people trying to drive in their own individual vehicles to a small area of a city, at the same time, might create problems.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 minutes ago
Who is going to pay for it. Ineos isn't
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It usually free money. A good real estate development plan draws in lots of investment.
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
In think that in the cold light of day since Jim's initial public proclomations of his dream of a 'Wembley In The North' along side a cut-down existing stadium 'for the girls', the reality is that the best option will probably be a refurb to the existing one in the end. Gary Neville (who is on the exec planning panel) is now openly talking up the refurb option these days.
I just need a decent modern stadium where all things work properly (with large TV screens at each end) that I can park up close to and get in and out and away from on match days (especially evening games) as quickly as possible. It seems they want to create something new completely opposite to that which encourages you to stay around after games. Why would you want to do that especially on a wet and windy school night? Like tonight for example.
Lifts or escalators would be nice if you have seats right at the top tier, especially for older fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The road links into and out of Old Trafford are awful. I have to get on the M6 and it takes as long getting from OT to the motorway as it does driving 70 miles home from there.
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Who'd have thought that 70 odd thousand people trying to drive in their own individual vehicles to a small area of a city, at the same time, might create problems.
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OK. thats funny.
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 minutes ago
Who is going to pay for it. Ineos isn't
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It usually free money. A good real estate development plan draws in lots of investment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Free money?
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
thats the spirit,
Or you could just treat yourself and visit Manchester and support and watch your team play, occassionally.
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
thats the spirit,
Or you could just treat yourself and visit Manchester and support and watch your team play, occassionally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As someone who used to have a season ticket, I do not recommend this option. Not when you can go to B&Q and test how quickly their paint samples dry…
comment by He’s French, He’s Flash… (U9335)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
thats the spirit,
Or you could just treat yourself and visit Manchester and support and watch your team play, occassionally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As someone who used to have a season ticket, I do not recommend this option. Not when you can go to B&Q and test how quickly their paint samples dry…
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well I recommend attending matches to any United 'fan'
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by He’s French, He’s Flash… (U9335)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
thats the spirit,
Or you could just treat yourself and visit Manchester and support and watch your team play, occassionally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As someone who used to have a season ticket, I do not recommend this option. Not when you can go to B&Q and test how quickly their paint samples dry…
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well I recommend attending matches to any United 'fan'
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I'm the biggest us fan out there but going to matches is just not worth the time or money. I went to one match and there was literally no commentary. It was very difficult to understand what was going on. There were no replays. I want to see an incident back to see what happened. I had to go in an end stand and the view made no sense. How does anyone watch a match from the non side view? More needs to be spent on getting matches to more fans on TV. Going to matches is massively outdated and will soon be a thing of the past. And rightly so
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by He’s French, He’s Flash… (U9335)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
thats the spirit,
Or you could just treat yourself and visit Manchester and support and watch your team play, occassionally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As someone who used to have a season ticket, I do not recommend this option. Not when you can go to B&Q and test how quickly their paint samples dry…
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well I recommend attending matches to any United 'fan'
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I'm the biggest us fan out there but going to matches is just not worth the time or money. I went to one match and there was literally no commentary. It was very difficult to understand what was going on. There were no replays. I want to see an incident back to see what happened. I had to go in an end stand and the view made no sense. How does anyone watch a match from the non side view? More needs to be spent on getting matches to more fans on TV. Going to matches is massively outdated and will soon be a thing of the past. And rightly so
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posted on 23/9/24
Freighliner Manchester employs 1800 people.
What's going to happen to them if they have to relocate operations to St Helens.
posted on 23/9/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Freighliner Manchester employs 1800 people.
What's going to happen to them if they have to relocate operations to St Helens.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's the distance between the two locations? If not too prohibitive, why not commute? I'd think redundancy would be an option, too.
posted on 24/9/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Freighliner Manchester employs 1800 people.
What's going to happen to them if they have to relocate operations to St Helens.
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What's the distance between the two locations? If not too prohibitive, why not commute? I'd think redundancy would be an option, too.
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Regeneration would create ample job opportunities as the article suggests.
posted on 24/9/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Freighliner Manchester employs 1800 people.
What's going to happen to them if they have to relocate operations to St Helens.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's the distance between the two locations? If not too prohibitive, why not commute? I'd think redundancy would be an option, too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Half an hour by car. Redundancy sucks unless you have 20 years in and you're nearly retired. The most you get is about £20k, that's not even a year on minimum wage. That's statutory by the way, hopefully there's a Union that can negotiate better terms.
posted on 24/9/24
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 8 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Freighliner Manchester employs 1800 people.
What's going to happen to them if they have to relocate operations to St Helens.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's the distance between the two locations? If not too prohibitive, why not commute? I'd think redundancy would be an option, too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Half an hour by car. Redundancy sucks unless you have 20 years in and you're nearly retired. The most you get is about £20k, that's not even a year on minimum wage. That's statutory by the way, hopefully there's a Union that can negotiate better terms.
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£20k tax free is lovely if you can also find another job within a few months. Lots of uncertainty about finding new employment but it can work in your favour too.
posted on 24/9/24
Had an email from the club around preferences for redevelopment, wasn’t much of a mention around a new stadium tbh.
posted on 24/9/24
until Jim/INEOs/Trawlers/Whoever they are... finally own the Club LS&B I cant see them building a £2B new stadium or redeveloping the existing one, as minor shareholders, on behalf of the incumbent, American, majority shareholders.
posted on 24/9/24
If delivering your stadium is dependent on wider regeneration master planning and the relocation of the rail depot, that might well add a couple years to your time line.
A comprehensive refurb would be comfortably deliverable this side of 2030. I dont think a new build would be if it's dependent on such massive wider regen.
posted on 24/9/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 25 minutes ago
Had an email from the club around preferences for redevelopment, wasn’t much of a mention around a new stadium tbh.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The consultation being led by architect Foster + Partners doesn't include the stadium itself, only the surrounding around of which the majority of land is owned by the club.
There is to be a separate project for the stadium, which Foster + Partners are no doubt hoping to win too given they're also already leading on the training ground project.
There is concurrently a process being undertaken to decide whether to renovate or re-build with a decision due by Christmas on which way to go. I'd be shocked if it isn't a new-build solution, which would very likely see the demolition of OT rather than retention with reduction in capacity. They've been clear they're not out to create a 'sports village' of the likes across the City but rather want the wider development to be conducive more to something like the regeneration seen around Wembley i.e. creating a new community and more importantly improving the environment to make the stadium a 7 day a week venue so they can drive revenue for alternative uses such as conferences as well as increasing dwell times etc on match days by providing places to gather before and after games - personally would love to see something like the 'fan park' at Dortmund recreated in a better format as that was brilliant fun. Not going to be difficult to improve upon what's currently there (or not there as the problem lies).
Don't expect to know anything this side of Christmas however, they're very much in gathering mode if they're seeking opinions now.
posted on 24/9/24
In think that in the cold light of day since Jim's initial public proclomations of his dream of a 'Wembley In The North' along side a cut-down existing stadium 'for the girls', the reality is that the best option will probably be a refurb to the existing one in the end. Gary Neville (who is on the exec planning panel) is now openly talking up the refurb option these days.
I just need a decent modern stadium where all things work properly (with large TV screens at each end) that I can park up close to and get in and out and away from on match days (especially evening games) as quickly as possible. It seems they want to create something new completely opposite to that which encourages you to stay around after games. Why would you want to do that especially on a wet and windy school night? Like tonight for example.
Lifts or escalators would be nice if you have seats right at the top tier, especially for older fans.
posted on 24/9/24
*like tomorrow for example,
posted on 24/9/24
I am against a new stadium. I have so many great memories of the current Old Trafford that I have been to once, that I do not want to lose.
posted on 24/9/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 12 minutes ago
In think that in the cold light of day since Jim's initial public proclomations of his dream of a 'Wembley In The North' along side a cut-down existing stadium 'for the girls', the reality is that the best option will probably be a refurb to the existing one in the end. Gary Neville (who is on the exec planning panel) is now openly talking up the refurb option these days.
I just need a decent modern stadium where all things work properly (with large TV screens at each end) that I can park up close to and get in and out and away from on match days (especially evening games) as quickly as possible. It seems they want to create something new completely opposite to that which encourages you to stay around after games. Why would you want to do that especially on a wet and windy school night? Like tonight for example.
Lifts or escalators would be nice if you have seats right at the top tier, especially for older fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The car is viewed as the most evil of evil things by planners. They will not make provision for supporter parking. The emphasis will be on sustainable means - bus, train, tram, walk
posted on 24/9/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
In think that in the cold light of day since Jim's initial public proclomations of his dream of a 'Wembley In The North' along side a cut-down existing stadium 'for the girls', the reality is that the best option will probably be a refurb to the existing one in the end. Gary Neville (who is on the exec planning panel) is now openly talking up the refurb option these days.
I just need a decent modern stadium where all things work properly (with large TV screens at each end) that I can park up close to and get in and out and away from on match days (especially evening games) as quickly as possible. It seems they want to create something new completely opposite to that which encourages you to stay around after games. Why would you want to do that especially on a wet and windy school night? Like tonight for example.
Lifts or escalators would be nice if you have seats right at the top tier, especially for older fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The road links into and out of Old Trafford are awful. I have to get on the M6 and it takes as long getting from OT to the motorway as it does driving 70 miles home from there.
posted on 24/9/24
Who is going to pay for it. Ineos isn't
posted on 24/9/24
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
posted on 24/9/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
In think that in the cold light of day since Jim's initial public proclomations of his dream of a 'Wembley In The North' along side a cut-down existing stadium 'for the girls', the reality is that the best option will probably be a refurb to the existing one in the end. Gary Neville (who is on the exec planning panel) is now openly talking up the refurb option these days.
I just need a decent modern stadium where all things work properly (with large TV screens at each end) that I can park up close to and get in and out and away from on match days (especially evening games) as quickly as possible. It seems they want to create something new completely opposite to that which encourages you to stay around after games. Why would you want to do that especially on a wet and windy school night? Like tonight for example.
Lifts or escalators would be nice if you have seats right at the top tier, especially for older fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The road links into and out of Old Trafford are awful. I have to get on the M6 and it takes as long getting from OT to the motorway as it does driving 70 miles home from there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who'd have thought that 70 odd thousand people trying to drive in their own individual vehicles to a small area of a city, at the same time, might create problems.
posted on 24/9/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 minutes ago
Who is going to pay for it. Ineos isn't
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It usually free money. A good real estate development plan draws in lots of investment.
posted on 24/9/24
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
In think that in the cold light of day since Jim's initial public proclomations of his dream of a 'Wembley In The North' along side a cut-down existing stadium 'for the girls', the reality is that the best option will probably be a refurb to the existing one in the end. Gary Neville (who is on the exec planning panel) is now openly talking up the refurb option these days.
I just need a decent modern stadium where all things work properly (with large TV screens at each end) that I can park up close to and get in and out and away from on match days (especially evening games) as quickly as possible. It seems they want to create something new completely opposite to that which encourages you to stay around after games. Why would you want to do that especially on a wet and windy school night? Like tonight for example.
Lifts or escalators would be nice if you have seats right at the top tier, especially for older fans.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The road links into and out of Old Trafford are awful. I have to get on the M6 and it takes as long getting from OT to the motorway as it does driving 70 miles home from there.
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Who'd have thought that 70 odd thousand people trying to drive in their own individual vehicles to a small area of a city, at the same time, might create problems.
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OK. thats funny.
posted on 24/9/24
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 minutes ago
Who is going to pay for it. Ineos isn't
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It usually free money. A good real estate development plan draws in lots of investment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Free money?
posted on 24/9/24
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
thats the spirit,
Or you could just treat yourself and visit Manchester and support and watch your team play, occassionally.
posted on 24/9/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
thats the spirit,
Or you could just treat yourself and visit Manchester and support and watch your team play, occassionally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As someone who used to have a season ticket, I do not recommend this option. Not when you can go to B&Q and test how quickly their paint samples dry…
posted on 24/9/24
comment by He’s French, He’s Flash… (U9335)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
thats the spirit,
Or you could just treat yourself and visit Manchester and support and watch your team play, occassionally.
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As someone who used to have a season ticket, I do not recommend this option. Not when you can go to B&Q and test how quickly their paint samples dry…
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well I recommend attending matches to any United 'fan'
posted on 24/9/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by He’s French, He’s Flash… (U9335)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
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thats the spirit,
Or you could just treat yourself and visit Manchester and support and watch your team play, occassionally.
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As someone who used to have a season ticket, I do not recommend this option. Not when you can go to B&Q and test how quickly their paint samples dry…
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well I recommend attending matches to any United 'fan'
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I'm the biggest us fan out there but going to matches is just not worth the time or money. I went to one match and there was literally no commentary. It was very difficult to understand what was going on. There were no replays. I want to see an incident back to see what happened. I had to go in an end stand and the view made no sense. How does anyone watch a match from the non side view? More needs to be spent on getting matches to more fans on TV. Going to matches is massively outdated and will soon be a thing of the past. And rightly so
posted on 24/9/24
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by He’s French, He’s Flash… (U9335)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Scott Fraser (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I also find it to be a bit of a waste of money that the vast majority of fans will not benefit from.
Only a tiny percentage of our millions of fans worldwide attend matches yet we are going to spend BILLIONS so that a few thousand people can have a shiny new seat? That's it, essentially?
Spend the money on the team so that all of our fans can benefit.
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thats the spirit,
Or you could just treat yourself and visit Manchester and support and watch your team play, occassionally.
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As someone who used to have a season ticket, I do not recommend this option. Not when you can go to B&Q and test how quickly their paint samples dry…
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well I recommend attending matches to any United 'fan'
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I'm the biggest us fan out there but going to matches is just not worth the time or money. I went to one match and there was literally no commentary. It was very difficult to understand what was going on. There were no replays. I want to see an incident back to see what happened. I had to go in an end stand and the view made no sense. How does anyone watch a match from the non side view? More needs to be spent on getting matches to more fans on TV. Going to matches is massively outdated and will soon be a thing of the past. And rightly so
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OK Barry
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