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posted on 24/9/24

Gabriel may never play again after Haaland fractured his skull by throwing the ball at him.

Piers Morgan is holding a candle lit vigil for him this evening

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 24/9/24

Rodri may not play again this season after he went down clutching his face after a perfectly reasonable shoulder barge from Kai havertz.

posted on 24/9/24

The only ‘reasonable barge’ is shoulder to shoulder, not the kind Havertz and Drossard were dishing out

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 24/9/24

Neither were booked for it, so they must've been reasonable. City players going down acting like they'd been shot doesn't change that.

posted on 24/9/24

Im the other way round. I dont mind him as a commentator when he is just reacting to whats happening in front of him.

As a pundit, when he has time to think and form what he thinks are "clever" points I find him tragic. Hell bent on saying something that will grab headlines.

posted on 24/9/24

The most annoying thing about Nev and his commentary is that “Oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” thing he does

posted on 24/9/24

Gary Neville is pretty terrible, but I thought Spurs defenders did well to clear the path for him when Gabriel scored against your lot, and I do think he should have been coming for it.

Neville over-reactions are awful, within 5 seconds of Sundays game he was claiming something big had happened when Rodri had just stepped into Havertz and then thrown himself on the ground. Neville crying for a red

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 4 minutes ago
Neither were booked for it, so they must've been reasonable. City players going down acting like they'd been shot doesn't change that.
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I’ll bookmark that for next time you and the girls are crying hysterically because an opponent didn’t get a card

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Neither were booked for it, so they must've been reasonable. City players going down acting like they'd been shot doesn't change that.
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Short memory. Arsenal spent half the remaining time on the floor injured when 1-0 at Spurs. Everyone does it, your lot included !

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 24/9/24

Have 5*.

Credit for Arteta working wonders on the training pitch and the challenge to other teams to come up with counter tactics. Unfortunately, that would lead to even more off the ball fouling than there already is going unpunished. It is one of my bugbears that it becomes more American football.

One trial might be to mimic hockey penalty corners where attackers cannot enter the box and defenders start behind the goal line? I think hockey limits the number of players too? Coaches might be tempted to take short corners giving attackers time to get into the 6yard box of course but maybe a rule is developed that the corner must enter the box - there's always a way.

I get why folk might not want change. It pashes me off that rugby continually changes the rules, not that I watch much, but I can't keep up with them so make a t!t of myself.

Anyway, just a thought.

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Glen Bulb (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
The most annoying thing about Nev and his commentary is that “Oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” thing he does
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To be fair he's maybe a Kenneth Williams aficionado?

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Neither were booked for it, so they must've been reasonable. City players going down acting like they'd been shot doesn't change that.
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Short memory. Arsenal spent half the remaining time on the floor injured when 1-0 at Spurs. Everyone does it, your lot included !

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Yes, everyone does do it. But it seems to be a crime against humanity when arsenal do it.

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Glen Bulb (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
The most annoying thing about Nev and his commentary is that “Oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” thing he does
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To be fair he's maybe a Kenneth Williams aficionado?
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He turns into Charles Hawtry when United concede

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Glen Bulb (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
The most annoying thing about Nev and his commentary is that “Oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” thing he does
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To be fair he's maybe a Kenneth Williams aficionado?
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Kenneth Williams put some effort in, Nev just sounds like someone snoring

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Mellor, Lovely Cushioned Header, FOR GERRARD, OOOOOOHHHHHH YAAAAAAA BEEEAAAUUUTTTYYYYY!!!!!!!!! (U1859)
posted 17 minutes ago
Im the other way round. I dont mind him as a commentator when he is just reacting to whats happening in front of him.

As a pundit, when he has time to think and form what he thinks are "clever" points I find him tragic. Hell bent on saying something that will grab headlines.
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I agree with this. There is usually an ulterior motive with his punditry where he tends to steer the conversation based on his biases.

posted on 24/9/24

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Gary Neville is pretty terrible, but I thought Spurs defenders did well to clear the path for him when Gabriel scored against your lot, and I do think he should have been coming for it.

Neville over-reactions are awful, within 5 seconds of Sundays game he was claiming something big had happened when Rodri had just stepped into Havertz and then thrown himself on the ground. Neville crying for a red
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Have a look at it. At the point of contact by Saka. A big bundle of players right on top of him.

Then pause it again when the ball is half way from Saka to the goal. Same situation, blocked off.

Its only really as the ball reaches the goal/6 yard box a bit of space in front of him opens up and its too late to attack a cross by that time. And then when Gabriel makes contact a crowd scene of about 5 or 6 players in front of the GK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAk2HwEphk.

There's no way he getting that. It needs to be defended better.

Regardless of whether the keeper tries to come or not, you want defenders to have first contact, and we failed so that is where the issue is for me. Accept that the keepers ability to come for it will be hampered a lot, so deal with the cross, get first contact on it. Its one of the flaws of teh zonal or part zonal marking that opponents will get a better run at the ball. I would want to see Gabriel's runs being hampered at source, block him off in the same way that the the GK is .

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Neither were booked for it, so they must've been reasonable. City players going down acting like they'd been shot doesn't change that.
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Short memory. Arsenal spent half the remaining time on the floor injured when 1-0 at Spurs. Everyone does it, your lot included !

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Yes, everyone does do it. But it seems to be a crime against humanity when arsenal do it.
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Jeez this 'world against arsenal' stuff is boring

posted on 24/9/24

Exactly Tu, remember when Soucek almost dragged Ramsdales shirt off his back and the commentators were all about how weak he was . Or when Leno was fouled at every Brentford corner and it was brilliant by them and Arsenal are too soft.
Ben White tickles the keepers glove and we have to change the laws

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Gary Neville is pretty terrible, but I thought Spurs defenders did well to clear the path for him when Gabriel scored against your lot, and I do think he should have been coming for it.

Neville over-reactions are awful, within 5 seconds of Sundays game he was claiming something big had happened when Rodri had just stepped into Havertz and then thrown himself on the ground. Neville crying for a red
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Have a look at it. At the point of contact by Saka. A big bundle of players right on top of him.

Then pause it again when the ball is half way from Saka to the goal. Same situation, blocked off.

Its only really as the ball reaches the goal/6 yard box a bit of space in front of him opens up and its too late to attack a cross by that time. And then when Gabriel makes contact a crowd scene of about 5 or 6 players in front of the GK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAk2HwEphk.

There's no way he getting that. It needs to be defended better.

Regardless of whether the keeper tries to come or not, you want defenders to have first contact, and we failed so that is where the issue is for me. Accept that the keepers ability to come for it will be hampered a lot, so deal with the cross, get first contact on it. Its one of the flaws of teh zonal or part zonal marking that opponents will get a better run at the ball. I would want to see Gabriel's runs being hampered at source, block him off in the same way that the the GK is .
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This.

Should be the tactical battle. Of course putting 2 or 3 on one player leaves room for others - that's the challenge that the hybrid zonal system is supposed to counter but you see at the goal how easily he lost Romero and, as you say, has a running jump against a static one. The zonal guys maybe need to start deeper to get some run at it? Great tactical stuff.

posted on 24/9/24

They also tend to highlight some things and ignore others, to suit their agenda.

For example, corners. There could be 10 goals conceded in a match from corners where they are man to man marking, and man to man marking is not mentioned for being a reason for them conceding.

Yet ONE goal in a season conceded whilst zonal marking, then clearly zonal marking just doesn't work. Could be 1,000 corners faced without conceding through zonal marking, but just takes one for that to be the inferior marking system, whilst teams concede every corner they attempt man to man marking.

The same applies to many other aspects of life and is why humans need to be eliminated.

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Gary Neville is pretty terrible, but I thought Spurs defenders did well to clear the path for him when Gabriel scored against your lot, and I do think he should have been coming for it.

Neville over-reactions are awful, within 5 seconds of Sundays game he was claiming something big had happened when Rodri had just stepped into Havertz and then thrown himself on the ground. Neville crying for a red
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Have a look at it. At the point of contact by Saka. A big bundle of players right on top of him.

Then pause it again when the ball is half way from Saka to the goal. Same situation, blocked off.

Its only really as the ball reaches the goal/6 yard box a bit of space in front of him opens up and its too late to attack a cross by that time. And then when Gabriel makes contact a crowd scene of about 5 or 6 players in front of the GK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAk2HwEphk.

There's no way he getting that. It needs to be defended better.

Regardless of whether the keeper tries to come or not, you want defenders to have first contact, and we failed so that is where the issue is for me. Accept that the keepers ability to come for it will be hampered a lot, so deal with the cross, get first contact on it. Its one of the flaws of teh zonal or part zonal marking that opponents will get a better run at the ball. I would want to see Gabriel's runs being hampered at source, block him off in the same way that the the GK is .
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This.

Should be the tactical battle. Of course putting 2 or 3 on one player leaves room for others - that's the challenge that the hybrid zonal system is supposed to counter but you see at the goal how easily he lost Romero and, as you say, has a running jump against a static one. The zonal guys maybe need to start deeper to get some run at it? Great tactical stuff.
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For that NLD goal, Romero needs to wrestle Gabriel. He's never really in contact with him and by the time Gab gives him a little nudge, Romero has his back to him. Even if Romero cannot get that height from a standing jump he needs to be all over him making it as hard as possible to make a clean contact.

If you watch the Spurs 2- 3 Arsenal from last season, Romero has a header at the back post and Partey is not looking at the ball, he's facing him and when Romero jumps Partey has his hands on him and is giving him a bit of a shove. Right on the margins of fairness but it was probably enough to make an otherwise easy header slightly off balance and he hits the post.

For such an aggressor, i am always surprised how Romero lets himself get bullied at set pieces.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Neither were booked for it, so they must've been reasonable. City players going down acting like they'd been shot doesn't change that.
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Short memory. Arsenal spent half the remaining time on the floor injured when 1-0 at Spurs. Everyone does it, your lot included !

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Yes, everyone does do it. But it seems to be a crime against humanity when arsenal do it.
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Jeez this 'world against arsenal' stuff is boring

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https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1838478222876389406?t=LlpxJLU0GwVbTwbSSUr1uw&s=19

🚨 Premier League clubs have sent concerns about 'gamesmanship' and Arsenal's repeated use of the "dark arts" throughout last season to the PGMOL

please continue.

posted on 24/9/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Neither were booked for it, so they must've been reasonable. City players going down acting like they'd been shot doesn't change that.
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Short memory. Arsenal spent half the remaining time on the floor injured when 1-0 at Spurs. Everyone does it, your lot included !

===

Yes, everyone does do it. But it seems to be a crime against humanity when arsenal do it.
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Jeez this 'world against arsenal' stuff is boring

===

https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1838478222876389406?t=LlpxJLU0GwVbTwbSSUr1uw&s=19

🚨 Premier League clubs have sent concerns about 'gamesmanship' and Arsenal's repeated use of the "dark arts" throughout last season to the PGMOL

please continue.
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Oh that reliable source The Daily Fail ! Kinda sums you up!

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 24/9/24

You really don't know how the media works do you?

posted on 24/9/24

Remember when Neville got his stopwatch out for our corners and tried to start an agenda?? Then Opta proved it was a regular amount of time

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