https://x.com/utdzirky/status/1840427304872525856
It ain’t even a yellow card. What is crazy is Fernandes slipped and didn’t even make a challenge and gets a straight red card.😂 I feel like we need to protest this corrupt refs. They cost us any chance of 3 points and no way should they take our best player for 3 games as well.
https://x.com/SkySportsPL/status/1698662189421175259
If today is a red card. saka should have seen a 10 game ban. So should Lokonga and Jesus?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19701247/arsenal-sambi-lokongas-horror-challenge-man-utd-fernandes/amp/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19721795/gabriel-jesus-kick-lisandro-martinez-man-utd-arsenal/
https://youtube.com/shorts/XNbn7ZMcANo?si=FXDo0lEuCfc1aDsk
Pen as well. Every year at the Emirates they get away with clear penalties not given. It is like Arteta trademark tactic against us at the emirates clean them out if they are about to score. Happens every year at the Emirates it seems.
I'm starting to think hafi might let bygones be bygones.
Such a magnanimous guy.
What is crazy is Fernandes has never got close to a red card in his whole Man Utd career as he is mainly a creator. Today he gets a red card for nothing. I honestly think it never is a yellow card. He slips and barely touches Maddisson with back of his foot. People go fully into challenges and get no booking, that was virtually no contact touch after a slip.
Match should really be replayed.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 2 minutes ago
What is crazy is Fernandes has never got close to a red card in his whole Man Utd career as he is mainly a creator. Today he gets a red card for nothing. I honestly think it never is a yellow card. He slips and barely touches Maddisson with back of his foot. People go fully into challenges and get no booking, that was virtually no contact touch after a slip.
Match should really be replayed.
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* The team was a mess from the outset
* central midfield was a, very weak, joke for the standard needed in this league.
* Fernandes is the best player at the club, but that red card was clearly a correct decision.
* If an opposition player got it so wrong, like that, then those pretending it wasn't justified would be claiming just the opposite.
* Whatever people think of ETH (or any other recent coach/manager) he was right about the current absence of footballing intelligence within this current squad - and that's why they lost
https://youtu.be/2bselkpyxfY?si=UrRVByNDijhCjAVd
Same ref when we are 1-0 down disallowing a clear goal against Spurs. Funnily enough with 11 men we won that 3-1 although 4-1 with wrongly disallowed goal.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAgzcwOvHn9/?igsh=ajE5dDJ1cTN6ZjZn
That ain’t even a yellow card.
Should have been 0-3 by twenty minutes.
Could have been 0-5 by ht.
You were actually lucky to have Bruno sent off you played better with ten.
Odd one really, in real time my first thought was red card, replay showed him slip...
the slip means it wasn't intentional, but still dangerous.. you can put an argument together to say its more dangerous if you slip because you're out of control.
not saying it wasn't harsh, but you can see why it was given a red
Zirkzee and Garnacho should have scored in the first half and Rashford was onside when nearly through on goal but was flagged offside so if he scored it would have counted.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 53 seconds ago
Zirkzee and Garnacho should have scored in the first half and Rashford was onside when nearly through on goal but was flagged offside so if he scored it would have counted.
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We should have been at least 4-1 up by the red card if it wasn't for poor finishing and incorrect decisions by the officials.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 13 minutes ago
Zirkzee and Garnacho should have scored in the first half and Rashford was onside when nearly through on goal but was flagged offside so if he scored it would have counted.
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Honestly if you EXPECT Garncho to finish from that angle then you are going to be very disappointed very often.
For a man who quote Xg like its some gospel truth, take in the fact that Utds Xg for the game was less than 1. Ergo, those 2 chances they "should have scored" were at most Xg of about 0.45. So half chances.
If you want to look at proper chances, Spurs had 3 one on ones. The first when at 1-0 and 11 vs 11.
And to count Rashford goal "if he had scored it" is just hilarious.
United deserved nothing from that game. In fact what you deserved was probably 5 or 6 goals thrashing. Spurs were kind to you on the day.
We battered Palace first half and didn’t win this season. We also battered Ange Spurs away and it was 0-0 after we didn’t score from 14 shots and then Spurs cane into the game and won 2-0. Just because you dominated the first half doesn’t mean you were going to win. We had a strong 10 minutes just before Fernandes was sent off as well. You dominated Newcastle but Newcastle like Man Utd stayed in the game and the only difference was we had someone wrongly sent off that took the game away.
In Ten Hag first home game against Spurs we had 19 shots in the first half and didn’t score and it was 0-0 at HT. We ended up winning 2-0 but the fact is that red card was never a red card. Imagine if spurs had a red card instead and we won the game yesterday. There was no reason for it to be 10 vs 11. This ref has previous against us, he even disallowed a goal when we beat you 1-3 with McTominay when like 90% of fans and pundits said it never should have been disallowed.
That ref has previous. It seems all the Manchester refs hate Man Utd. Taylor and this Kavanagh have it in for Man Utd. Its actually amazing how they are allowed to ref. Heck he is the ref who thought Fulham saving a shot with hand on goaline was a corner kick until he was forced to give a penalty lol.
https://www.tiktok.com/@mufchants/video/7212334562926529797
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 27 seconds ago
I don't think it was a red but not a clear and obvious error. I doubt they'll change anything after the fact.
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I think it was though, I think it was a very understandable one because of the way it unfolded (I think most people thought the ref had it right on first viewing), but it seemed like a fairly obvious error.
I guess the clear and obvious thing is where the grey area comes in.
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He slips, the player gets away from him and he attempts to stop the attack which is a yellow, however he catches him high up the leg. I don't think there was enough in it myself to be a red but I can see how some might. Therefore not a clear and obvious error, which will be why VAR didn't do anything after checking, although for me these are the incidents they should be sending the referee to the monitor. No point sending him for clear and obvious errors which is what they seem to use it for, considering the overturn rate after watching the screen.
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Key things are 1) he loses his footing so by definition is out of control 2) instead of focussing on recovering his balance he makes an extra lunge to make sure he contacts Madders 3) no attempt to play the ball.
The combination makes it a potential red and it looked like the studs had caught over and above though just how much VAR should have seen maybe not too bad? Nevertheless, cannot see it being overturned.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Zirkzee and Garnacho should have scored in the first half and Rashford was onside when nearly through on goal but was flagged offside so if he scored it would have counted.
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The Garnacho chance would've required a very good finish, he hit the post and I don't think you can expect a goal in those circumstances.
Zirkzee missing chances is a running theme. He's doing well getting into the positions, but if the likes of Haaland, Kane, Salah, Solanke, Watkins had so many chances they'd be near the top of the scoring charts so far this season.
https://youtu.be/ZJMhgNygLzE?si=4UjViPpM32Z1IhD3
Told you that ref is a cheat. He can’t even see it and gives a straight red card the cheat.
Chris Kavanagh Tottenham MOTM. He gave a red card to Fernandes with no view of the incident.
Same ref who sees Willian save a shot with arm and gives a corner in our game against Fulham in Fa Cup. The cheat has been exposed. He is same ref who denied us a goal against Spurs away for McTominay supposed foul which never was. People wonder why Man Utd struggle, when refs kill us every game, it is like playing against 22 men every game.
A little education for some about what serious foul play is and what it isn’t.
Bruno’s challenge simply wasn’t serious foul play.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3dvrn3ejr4o
So VAR doesn't intervene because it's not a clear and obvious error by the referee, but then the red card is rescinded
Did it become a clearer and more obvious error over the course of the last 24 hours?
comment by Jalisco Red (U4195)
posted 12 seconds ago
So VAR doesn't intervene because it's not a clear and obvious error by the referee, but then the red card is rescinded
Did it become a clearer and more obvious error over the course of the last 24 hours?
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It’s another example of the flaws of VAR, that will never go away.
I feel for them a bit. Every second counts and they’re trying to make the right call, yet ultimately it’s an opinion.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3dvrn3ejr4o
At least we know he is a corrupt ref, no idea why VAR didn’t intervene. We will never know what would have happened now.😂 I wonder if like 20/21 season we get our revenge away.
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posted on 29/9/24
https://x.com/utdzirky/status/1840427304872525856
It ain’t even a yellow card. What is crazy is Fernandes slipped and didn’t even make a challenge and gets a straight red card.😂 I feel like we need to protest this corrupt refs. They cost us any chance of 3 points and no way should they take our best player for 3 games as well.
posted on 29/9/24
https://x.com/SkySportsPL/status/1698662189421175259
If today is a red card. saka should have seen a 10 game ban. So should Lokonga and Jesus?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19701247/arsenal-sambi-lokongas-horror-challenge-man-utd-fernandes/amp/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19721795/gabriel-jesus-kick-lisandro-martinez-man-utd-arsenal/
posted on 29/9/24
https://youtube.com/shorts/XNbn7ZMcANo?si=FXDo0lEuCfc1aDsk
Pen as well. Every year at the Emirates they get away with clear penalties not given. It is like Arteta trademark tactic against us at the emirates clean them out if they are about to score. Happens every year at the Emirates it seems.
posted on 29/9/24
I'm starting to think hafi might let bygones be bygones.
Such a magnanimous guy.
posted on 30/9/24
What is crazy is Fernandes has never got close to a red card in his whole Man Utd career as he is mainly a creator. Today he gets a red card for nothing. I honestly think it never is a yellow card. He slips and barely touches Maddisson with back of his foot. People go fully into challenges and get no booking, that was virtually no contact touch after a slip.
Match should really be replayed.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 2 minutes ago
What is crazy is Fernandes has never got close to a red card in his whole Man Utd career as he is mainly a creator. Today he gets a red card for nothing. I honestly think it never is a yellow card. He slips and barely touches Maddisson with back of his foot. People go fully into challenges and get no booking, that was virtually no contact touch after a slip.
Match should really be replayed.
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this
posted on 30/9/24
* The team was a mess from the outset
* central midfield was a, very weak, joke for the standard needed in this league.
* Fernandes is the best player at the club, but that red card was clearly a correct decision.
* If an opposition player got it so wrong, like that, then those pretending it wasn't justified would be claiming just the opposite.
* Whatever people think of ETH (or any other recent coach/manager) he was right about the current absence of footballing intelligence within this current squad - and that's why they lost
posted on 30/9/24
https://youtu.be/2bselkpyxfY?si=UrRVByNDijhCjAVd
Same ref when we are 1-0 down disallowing a clear goal against Spurs. Funnily enough with 11 men we won that 3-1 although 4-1 with wrongly disallowed goal.
posted on 30/9/24
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAgzcwOvHn9/?igsh=ajE5dDJ1cTN6ZjZn
That ain’t even a yellow card.
posted on 30/9/24
Should have been 0-3 by twenty minutes.
Could have been 0-5 by ht.
You were actually lucky to have Bruno sent off you played better with ten.
posted on 30/9/24
Odd one really, in real time my first thought was red card, replay showed him slip...
the slip means it wasn't intentional, but still dangerous.. you can put an argument together to say its more dangerous if you slip because you're out of control.
not saying it wasn't harsh, but you can see why it was given a red
posted on 30/9/24
Zirkzee and Garnacho should have scored in the first half and Rashford was onside when nearly through on goal but was flagged offside so if he scored it would have counted.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 53 seconds ago
Zirkzee and Garnacho should have scored in the first half and Rashford was onside when nearly through on goal but was flagged offside so if he scored it would have counted.
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We should have been at least 4-1 up by the red card if it wasn't for poor finishing and incorrect decisions by the officials.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 13 minutes ago
Zirkzee and Garnacho should have scored in the first half and Rashford was onside when nearly through on goal but was flagged offside so if he scored it would have counted.
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Honestly if you EXPECT Garncho to finish from that angle then you are going to be very disappointed very often.
For a man who quote Xg like its some gospel truth, take in the fact that Utds Xg for the game was less than 1. Ergo, those 2 chances they "should have scored" were at most Xg of about 0.45. So half chances.
If you want to look at proper chances, Spurs had 3 one on ones. The first when at 1-0 and 11 vs 11.
And to count Rashford goal "if he had scored it" is just hilarious.
United deserved nothing from that game. In fact what you deserved was probably 5 or 6 goals thrashing. Spurs were kind to you on the day.
posted on 30/9/24
We battered Palace first half and didn’t win this season. We also battered Ange Spurs away and it was 0-0 after we didn’t score from 14 shots and then Spurs cane into the game and won 2-0. Just because you dominated the first half doesn’t mean you were going to win. We had a strong 10 minutes just before Fernandes was sent off as well. You dominated Newcastle but Newcastle like Man Utd stayed in the game and the only difference was we had someone wrongly sent off that took the game away.
posted on 30/9/24
In Ten Hag first home game against Spurs we had 19 shots in the first half and didn’t score and it was 0-0 at HT. We ended up winning 2-0 but the fact is that red card was never a red card. Imagine if spurs had a red card instead and we won the game yesterday. There was no reason for it to be 10 vs 11. This ref has previous against us, he even disallowed a goal when we beat you 1-3 with McTominay when like 90% of fans and pundits said it never should have been disallowed.
That ref has previous. It seems all the Manchester refs hate Man Utd. Taylor and this Kavanagh have it in for Man Utd. Its actually amazing how they are allowed to ref. Heck he is the ref who thought Fulham saving a shot with hand on goaline was a corner kick until he was forced to give a penalty lol.
https://www.tiktok.com/@mufchants/video/7212334562926529797
posted on 30/9/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 27 seconds ago
I don't think it was a red but not a clear and obvious error. I doubt they'll change anything after the fact.
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I think it was though, I think it was a very understandable one because of the way it unfolded (I think most people thought the ref had it right on first viewing), but it seemed like a fairly obvious error.
I guess the clear and obvious thing is where the grey area comes in.
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He slips, the player gets away from him and he attempts to stop the attack which is a yellow, however he catches him high up the leg. I don't think there was enough in it myself to be a red but I can see how some might. Therefore not a clear and obvious error, which will be why VAR didn't do anything after checking, although for me these are the incidents they should be sending the referee to the monitor. No point sending him for clear and obvious errors which is what they seem to use it for, considering the overturn rate after watching the screen.
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Key things are 1) he loses his footing so by definition is out of control 2) instead of focussing on recovering his balance he makes an extra lunge to make sure he contacts Madders 3) no attempt to play the ball.
The combination makes it a potential red and it looked like the studs had caught over and above though just how much VAR should have seen maybe not too bad? Nevertheless, cannot see it being overturned.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Zirkzee and Garnacho should have scored in the first half and Rashford was onside when nearly through on goal but was flagged offside so if he scored it would have counted.
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The Garnacho chance would've required a very good finish, he hit the post and I don't think you can expect a goal in those circumstances.
Zirkzee missing chances is a running theme. He's doing well getting into the positions, but if the likes of Haaland, Kane, Salah, Solanke, Watkins had so many chances they'd be near the top of the scoring charts so far this season.
posted on 30/9/24
https://youtu.be/ZJMhgNygLzE?si=4UjViPpM32Z1IhD3
posted on 30/9/24
Told you that ref is a cheat. He can’t even see it and gives a straight red card the cheat.
posted on 30/9/24
Chris Kavanagh Tottenham MOTM. He gave a red card to Fernandes with no view of the incident.
Same ref who sees Willian save a shot with arm and gives a corner in our game against Fulham in Fa Cup. The cheat has been exposed. He is same ref who denied us a goal against Spurs away for McTominay supposed foul which never was. People wonder why Man Utd struggle, when refs kill us every game, it is like playing against 22 men every game.
posted on 1/10/24
A little education for some about what serious foul play is and what it isn’t.
Bruno’s challenge simply wasn’t serious foul play.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3dvrn3ejr4o
posted on 1/10/24
So VAR doesn't intervene because it's not a clear and obvious error by the referee, but then the red card is rescinded
Did it become a clearer and more obvious error over the course of the last 24 hours?
posted on 1/10/24
comment by Jalisco Red (U4195)
posted 12 seconds ago
So VAR doesn't intervene because it's not a clear and obvious error by the referee, but then the red card is rescinded
Did it become a clearer and more obvious error over the course of the last 24 hours?
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It’s another example of the flaws of VAR, that will never go away.
I feel for them a bit. Every second counts and they’re trying to make the right call, yet ultimately it’s an opinion.
posted on 1/10/24
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3dvrn3ejr4o
At least we know he is a corrupt ref, no idea why VAR didn’t intervene. We will never know what would have happened now.😂 I wonder if like 20/21 season we get our revenge away.
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