I honestly thought after last season’s league and CL campaign he was gone, and he could have had no complaints
I felt we should had let ETH go in the summer also. However, if we were to keep him, we went completely the wrong way about it. Maybe what happened over the summer had little effect on what is happening now, but it was terrible decision making to start speaking to other people and then decide to keep ETH - for me, that actually shows little confidence in the manager, which I know wasn't the intention, but that is how it looks.
if they had just backed him, and we reached the current situation, they could rightly say, we gave him a chance but it didn't work out. Now it looks like they dithered over the summer, made the wrong decision then, and have to correct it now.
Just as we bemoan ETH not making tough decisions regarding players on the pitch, INEOS need to show they can make tough and correct decisions surrounding the manager. We have all the right people around him, but as always, it's getting the right manager that is most difficult. But at least go the right way about it.
Thanks for the one star either Plumpy or Cleverson. 😂
Time to lick those wounds and just face facts. You were wrong. I was right. 😉
I want people who are confident in their decision making and aren't going to bow down to fan pressure.
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Going by what I've read on here over the past year, it seemed to me that most of the fans did want him gone. There was a number willing to extend him a degree of goodwill after the FA Cup win, but nothing amounting to a wave of 'pressure' on the suits to keep him in the job. If anything, it seems to me that the 'ETH out' faction has long been the more vociferous of the two.
So the exact same argument you used could be turned on its head:
INEOS showed confidence in their decision making. Either they weren't fully convinced by any of the candidates interviewed or their conditions failed to convince whoever they did deem suitable.
Either way, they decided not to make an appointment just for the sake of it, or not to cave in on a series of conditions they did not think were good for the overall running of the club.
Either way, you could argue they showed confidence in their decision to appoint someone they actually felt was the right choice, and not appoint someone just for the sake of it if he wasn't willing to accept the conditions they decided were the right ones.
https://youtu.be/icJEEv-bi7o?si=Gk3MlIqI7flOqCrd
10.37 onwards.
Lineker Shearer and Richards spot on.
Think that's pretty much what I said.
A well written article op, especially on the decision to have the whole world know they were out interviewing others.
1 stars from the usual cretins.
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
A well written article op, especially on the decision to have the whole world know they were out interviewing others.
1 stars from the usual cretins.
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Cheers mate.
I take it as compliment. They know I was right and they don't like it.
Another season tossed into the fire is frustrating though.
Copying and pasting from my comment on Robb's article:
I think it's pretty clear that ETH got a stay of execution only because it wasn't possible to appoint the right long-term successor in the summer. This was either because the new leadership team had only just got their feet under the desk and needed to do more work to sketch out a detailed footballing strategy, or they knew what they wanted but the best candidates weren't available. It's quite possible that progress has been made on the 'what do we want?' question, in which case ETH's position should be even more precarious. It's also very possible that the outstanding candidates are unavailable or unattainable right now. If that's the case, I guess we're in a situation of weighing up the pros and cons of an interim manager vs sticking with ETH. There are trade-offs to be had in that case (appointing an interim means committing to two sets of upheaval rather than one; and it's a decision to use a manager who we don't really believe has the qualities to lead the team). So that comes down to just how bad things have got with ETH.
...so my conclusion is that while I tend to agree that ETH should have been sacked in May, I really don't think not doing so then reflects badly on INEOS. It was bad timing, and there are genuine considerations around the availability of elite alternatives and the negative impact of appointing the wrong guy yet again, while the project was only beginning to come together.
I’ve never been a manager out person but unfortunately I just can’t see how ETH can get us through this!
He’s not the guy INEOS really wanted but had their hand was forced with the FA cup win and most likely the lack of candidates who could take the team forward!
Questions need to be asked of the players that have come in again this summer are they really up for it?
I don’t see the fight or the spirit within the team that we once had, teams just seem to breeze through our midfield, look at how Van De Ven cut through us and yet again Rashford lost the ball but made no effort to get the ball back!
comment by RED666…Doing the Right thing! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 51 seconds ago
I’ve never been a manager out person but unfortunately I just can’t see how ETH can get us through this!
He’s not the guy INEOS really wanted but had their hand was forced with the FA cup win and most likely the lack of candidates who could take the team forward!
Questions need to be asked of the players that have come in again this summer are they really up for it?
I don’t see the fight or the spirit within the team that we once had, teams just seem to breeze through our midfield, look at how Van De Ven cut through us and yet again Rashford lost the ball but made no effort to get the ball back!
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Forwards lose the ball all the time in the attacking half. Rashford's loose touch shouldn't have led to a goal from where VdV was. That goal isn't on Rashford. We should have been able to defend that situation quite comfortably with a proper plan and structure.
Ten Hag Stat ..
We’ve lost 8 of our last 20 home league games
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 39 seconds ago
Ten Hag Stat ..
We’ve lost 8 of our last 20 home league games
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Doesn't surprise me one bit. We are an absolute joke. These players aren't good enough to win a PL title or even compete for one but they are a damn sight better than what we are seeing.
This is mostly on the manager. The set is all wrong. We are an easy team to play against and he can't see it.
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Ten Hag Stat ..
We’ve lost 8 of our last 20 home league games
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That is disgusting
i think i speak for everyone in saying there are 2 options
Give ten Hag time: hes obviously a quality manager and has really taken united on from what was an impossible task after the legend that is ole. Hes won trophy's and its just a matter of time before he topples City.
OR
Hire Southgate: Forget Tuchel, poch or pep. We all know that Southgate is the right man for united. quiet and unassuming, the man that rightly deemed Cole Palmer surplus to requirements at the world cup is the perfect man to take united to the next level.
Either way, the future is bright
I cannot blame Ineos for his stay. Nothing wrong with patience development of the structure. The team is immensely better In my opinion and they have to get the credit.
There are many who actually believe Ten Hag is tactically astute (better than Ole, they said) and I assume they wanted to give him the benefit of doubt. You can't give someone a new contract and terminate them a few months later so he should get time to further hang himself
While ETH leaving is inevitable. Who's coming becomes the barrier to real change. I felt they signed to managers to join so as to have a landing spot if things went teetsup. But we do need to find a something new and I hope we have been working on it for some time.
Our lack of discipline is poor also. We are so mentally weak, and it doesn't take much for us to throw our toys out of the pram.
I will say this - I think ETH is a good manager, but not everyone is made out to be Utd manager. It's a tough job, especially with everything that has happened post-SAF.
So thanks for the effort etc but time to go.
I do think we have some good players, and surely there is someone out there who can get them playing in an attractive way and really expressing themselves - of course we need the right person long-term, but we could do with the bounce factor that a new manager gives
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by RED666…Doing the Right thing! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 51 seconds ago
I’ve never been a manager out person but unfortunately I just can’t see how ETH can get us through this!
He’s not the guy INEOS really wanted but had their hand was forced with the FA cup win and most likely the lack of candidates who could take the team forward!
Questions need to be asked of the players that have come in again this summer are they really up for it?
I don’t see the fight or the spirit within the team that we once had, us and yet again Rashford lost the ball but made no effort to get the ball back!
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Forwards lose the ball all the time in the attacking half. Rashford's loose touch shouldn't have led to a goal from where VdV was. That goal isn't on Rashford. We should have been able to defend that situation quite comfortably with a proper plan and structure.
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I wasn’t saying it was on Rashford! If you read my comment again I clearly said ‘ teams just seem to breeze through our midfield, look at how Van De Ven cut through us’ it was a complete feck up!
However if you watch Rashford he steps out of the way and makes no effort to retrieve the ball, is that the UTD way?
The next two games probably determine if he makes it past the international break.
Good results and he stays till at least Christmas. Bad results and it's Ruud till the end of the season ( I presume that's partly why we brought him in; as an insurance policy for exactly this)
As for INEOS I think they need more than a few months to fix this complete cluster F.
My biggest concern is we now have a squad packed full of players that were, at least mainly, ETH picks.
Back to square one again. All I can hope is the structure above the manager is starting to change to make this merry-go-round approach work.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 8 minutes ago
My biggest concern is we now have a squad packed full of players that were, at least mainly, ETH picks.
Back to square one again. All I can hope is the structure above the manager is starting to change to make this merry-go-round approach work.
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Matthias Dier Ligt
Joshua Zirkhorst
Bantony
Copying my article from Robbs article below too.
Sorry Im still so facking angry about yesterday. Im really not enjoying supporting United anymore (and I have done through a lot worse times than this) and I know loads of people who are sayoing the same at Old Trafford.,,,,,
whatever happens the last thing United need is another interim manager for the rest of the season. A supply teacher policy will fall right into the hands of these baztard lazy players who dont care and wont work and give them an excuse to basically write off this season when its only a few games in. It's still salvagable, with a new and permanent, disciplinarian, manager. I dont believe that INEOS dont have a plan B up their sleeve. They knew that endosrsing TH was going to be a hell of a gamble (just because United beat a hungover City in the Cup final). However, the longer we allow TH to manage this club the deeper the problem will become. All this TH crap has to end now and a new start begin straight away. Hes clearly not the messiah from Ajax (he won stuff there you know) as many thought he might be. I believe in what INEOs are doing is the right way forward and the restructuring is just what we need. They have made one mistake in their plan and that is making TH the Coach. This is easily remedied within an organise structure such as INEOS are creating. Just facking do it.
https://x.com/brfootball/status/1840444408639951046?s=61&t=ncpdEcJLIN1zPASIYpgYDA
😹😹
comment by RED666…Doing the Right thing! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by RED666…Doing the Right thing! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 51 seconds ago
I’ve never been a manager out person but unfortunately I just can’t see how ETH can get us through this!
He’s not the guy INEOS really wanted but had their hand was forced with the FA cup win and most likely the lack of candidates who could take the team forward!
Questions need to be asked of the players that have come in again this summer are they really up for it?
I don’t see the fight or the spirit within the team that we once had, us and yet again Rashford lost the ball but made no effort to get the ball back!
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Forwards lose the ball all the time in the attacking half. Rashford's loose touch shouldn't have led to a goal from where VdV was. That goal isn't on Rashford. We should have been able to defend that situation quite comfortably with a proper plan and structure.
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I wasn’t saying it was on Rashford! If you read my comment again I clearly said ‘ teams just seem to breeze through our midfield, look at how Van De Ven cut through us’ it was a complete feck up!
However if you watch Rashford he steps out of the way and makes no effort to retrieve the ball, is that the UTD way?
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Oh Rashford makes the first mistake by losing the ball no question.
That shouldn't have led to a goal from there though. That's just diabolical defending and a midfield who can't get near a CB running with a ball too which is a worry.
It was an awful goal to concede.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 9 minutes ago
My biggest concern is we now have a squad packed full of players that were, at least mainly, ETH picks.
Back to square one again. All I can hope is the structure above the manager is starting to change to make this merry-go-round approach work.
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I think the squad has been moving in the right direction, and this summer we already did a good job at clearing out dead wood. Some of the ETH + Glazer era signings are fine for the medium term: I reckon Lisandro, Onana and Hojlund will be first choice going forward; and that Mount is OK as a squad player. We'll get rid of Casemiro and Antony in the next couple of years. This summer's business raises the technical and athletic floor of the team, and I think the new leadership team signed players that are compatible with the broader needs of the team in the future, not just what ETH wanted.
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posted on 30/9/24
I honestly thought after last season’s league and CL campaign he was gone, and he could have had no complaints
posted on 30/9/24
I felt we should had let ETH go in the summer also. However, if we were to keep him, we went completely the wrong way about it. Maybe what happened over the summer had little effect on what is happening now, but it was terrible decision making to start speaking to other people and then decide to keep ETH - for me, that actually shows little confidence in the manager, which I know wasn't the intention, but that is how it looks.
if they had just backed him, and we reached the current situation, they could rightly say, we gave him a chance but it didn't work out. Now it looks like they dithered over the summer, made the wrong decision then, and have to correct it now.
Just as we bemoan ETH not making tough decisions regarding players on the pitch, INEOS need to show they can make tough and correct decisions surrounding the manager. We have all the right people around him, but as always, it's getting the right manager that is most difficult. But at least go the right way about it.
posted on 30/9/24
Thanks for the one star either Plumpy or Cleverson. 😂
Time to lick those wounds and just face facts. You were wrong. I was right. 😉
posted on 30/9/24
I want people who are confident in their decision making and aren't going to bow down to fan pressure.
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Going by what I've read on here over the past year, it seemed to me that most of the fans did want him gone. There was a number willing to extend him a degree of goodwill after the FA Cup win, but nothing amounting to a wave of 'pressure' on the suits to keep him in the job. If anything, it seems to me that the 'ETH out' faction has long been the more vociferous of the two.
So the exact same argument you used could be turned on its head:
INEOS showed confidence in their decision making. Either they weren't fully convinced by any of the candidates interviewed or their conditions failed to convince whoever they did deem suitable.
Either way, they decided not to make an appointment just for the sake of it, or not to cave in on a series of conditions they did not think were good for the overall running of the club.
Either way, you could argue they showed confidence in their decision to appoint someone they actually felt was the right choice, and not appoint someone just for the sake of it if he wasn't willing to accept the conditions they decided were the right ones.
posted on 30/9/24
https://youtu.be/icJEEv-bi7o?si=Gk3MlIqI7flOqCrd
10.37 onwards.
Lineker Shearer and Richards spot on.
Think that's pretty much what I said.
posted on 30/9/24
A well written article op, especially on the decision to have the whole world know they were out interviewing others.
1 stars from the usual cretins.
posted on 30/9/24
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posted on 30/9/24
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
A well written article op, especially on the decision to have the whole world know they were out interviewing others.
1 stars from the usual cretins.
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Cheers mate.
I take it as compliment. They know I was right and they don't like it.
Another season tossed into the fire is frustrating though.
posted on 30/9/24
Copying and pasting from my comment on Robb's article:
I think it's pretty clear that ETH got a stay of execution only because it wasn't possible to appoint the right long-term successor in the summer. This was either because the new leadership team had only just got their feet under the desk and needed to do more work to sketch out a detailed footballing strategy, or they knew what they wanted but the best candidates weren't available. It's quite possible that progress has been made on the 'what do we want?' question, in which case ETH's position should be even more precarious. It's also very possible that the outstanding candidates are unavailable or unattainable right now. If that's the case, I guess we're in a situation of weighing up the pros and cons of an interim manager vs sticking with ETH. There are trade-offs to be had in that case (appointing an interim means committing to two sets of upheaval rather than one; and it's a decision to use a manager who we don't really believe has the qualities to lead the team). So that comes down to just how bad things have got with ETH.
...so my conclusion is that while I tend to agree that ETH should have been sacked in May, I really don't think not doing so then reflects badly on INEOS. It was bad timing, and there are genuine considerations around the availability of elite alternatives and the negative impact of appointing the wrong guy yet again, while the project was only beginning to come together.
posted on 30/9/24
I’ve never been a manager out person but unfortunately I just can’t see how ETH can get us through this!
He’s not the guy INEOS really wanted but had their hand was forced with the FA cup win and most likely the lack of candidates who could take the team forward!
Questions need to be asked of the players that have come in again this summer are they really up for it?
I don’t see the fight or the spirit within the team that we once had, teams just seem to breeze through our midfield, look at how Van De Ven cut through us and yet again Rashford lost the ball but made no effort to get the ball back!
posted on 30/9/24
comment by RED666…Doing the Right thing! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 51 seconds ago
I’ve never been a manager out person but unfortunately I just can’t see how ETH can get us through this!
He’s not the guy INEOS really wanted but had their hand was forced with the FA cup win and most likely the lack of candidates who could take the team forward!
Questions need to be asked of the players that have come in again this summer are they really up for it?
I don’t see the fight or the spirit within the team that we once had, teams just seem to breeze through our midfield, look at how Van De Ven cut through us and yet again Rashford lost the ball but made no effort to get the ball back!
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Forwards lose the ball all the time in the attacking half. Rashford's loose touch shouldn't have led to a goal from where VdV was. That goal isn't on Rashford. We should have been able to defend that situation quite comfortably with a proper plan and structure.
posted on 30/9/24
Ten Hag Stat ..
We’ve lost 8 of our last 20 home league games
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 39 seconds ago
Ten Hag Stat ..
We’ve lost 8 of our last 20 home league games
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Doesn't surprise me one bit. We are an absolute joke. These players aren't good enough to win a PL title or even compete for one but they are a damn sight better than what we are seeing.
This is mostly on the manager. The set is all wrong. We are an easy team to play against and he can't see it.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Ten Hag Stat ..
We’ve lost 8 of our last 20 home league games
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That is disgusting
posted on 30/9/24
i think i speak for everyone in saying there are 2 options
Give ten Hag time: hes obviously a quality manager and has really taken united on from what was an impossible task after the legend that is ole. Hes won trophy's and its just a matter of time before he topples City.
OR
Hire Southgate: Forget Tuchel, poch or pep. We all know that Southgate is the right man for united. quiet and unassuming, the man that rightly deemed Cole Palmer surplus to requirements at the world cup is the perfect man to take united to the next level.
Either way, the future is bright
posted on 30/9/24
I cannot blame Ineos for his stay. Nothing wrong with patience development of the structure. The team is immensely better In my opinion and they have to get the credit.
There are many who actually believe Ten Hag is tactically astute (better than Ole, they said) and I assume they wanted to give him the benefit of doubt. You can't give someone a new contract and terminate them a few months later so he should get time to further hang himself
While ETH leaving is inevitable. Who's coming becomes the barrier to real change. I felt they signed to managers to join so as to have a landing spot if things went teetsup. But we do need to find a something new and I hope we have been working on it for some time.
posted on 30/9/24
Our lack of discipline is poor also. We are so mentally weak, and it doesn't take much for us to throw our toys out of the pram.
I will say this - I think ETH is a good manager, but not everyone is made out to be Utd manager. It's a tough job, especially with everything that has happened post-SAF.
So thanks for the effort etc but time to go.
I do think we have some good players, and surely there is someone out there who can get them playing in an attractive way and really expressing themselves - of course we need the right person long-term, but we could do with the bounce factor that a new manager gives
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by RED666…Doing the Right thing! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 51 seconds ago
I’ve never been a manager out person but unfortunately I just can’t see how ETH can get us through this!
He’s not the guy INEOS really wanted but had their hand was forced with the FA cup win and most likely the lack of candidates who could take the team forward!
Questions need to be asked of the players that have come in again this summer are they really up for it?
I don’t see the fight or the spirit within the team that we once had, us and yet again Rashford lost the ball but made no effort to get the ball back!
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Forwards lose the ball all the time in the attacking half. Rashford's loose touch shouldn't have led to a goal from where VdV was. That goal isn't on Rashford. We should have been able to defend that situation quite comfortably with a proper plan and structure.
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I wasn’t saying it was on Rashford! If you read my comment again I clearly said ‘ teams just seem to breeze through our midfield, look at how Van De Ven cut through us’ it was a complete feck up!
However if you watch Rashford he steps out of the way and makes no effort to retrieve the ball, is that the UTD way?
posted on 30/9/24
The next two games probably determine if he makes it past the international break.
Good results and he stays till at least Christmas. Bad results and it's Ruud till the end of the season ( I presume that's partly why we brought him in; as an insurance policy for exactly this)
As for INEOS I think they need more than a few months to fix this complete cluster F.
posted on 30/9/24
My biggest concern is we now have a squad packed full of players that were, at least mainly, ETH picks.
Back to square one again. All I can hope is the structure above the manager is starting to change to make this merry-go-round approach work.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 8 minutes ago
My biggest concern is we now have a squad packed full of players that were, at least mainly, ETH picks.
Back to square one again. All I can hope is the structure above the manager is starting to change to make this merry-go-round approach work.
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Matthias Dier Ligt
Joshua Zirkhorst
Bantony
posted on 30/9/24
Copying my article from Robbs article below too.
Sorry Im still so facking angry about yesterday. Im really not enjoying supporting United anymore (and I have done through a lot worse times than this) and I know loads of people who are sayoing the same at Old Trafford.,,,,,
whatever happens the last thing United need is another interim manager for the rest of the season. A supply teacher policy will fall right into the hands of these baztard lazy players who dont care and wont work and give them an excuse to basically write off this season when its only a few games in. It's still salvagable, with a new and permanent, disciplinarian, manager. I dont believe that INEOS dont have a plan B up their sleeve. They knew that endosrsing TH was going to be a hell of a gamble (just because United beat a hungover City in the Cup final). However, the longer we allow TH to manage this club the deeper the problem will become. All this TH crap has to end now and a new start begin straight away. Hes clearly not the messiah from Ajax (he won stuff there you know) as many thought he might be. I believe in what INEOs are doing is the right way forward and the restructuring is just what we need. They have made one mistake in their plan and that is making TH the Coach. This is easily remedied within an organise structure such as INEOS are creating. Just facking do it.
posted on 30/9/24
https://x.com/brfootball/status/1840444408639951046?s=61&t=ncpdEcJLIN1zPASIYpgYDA
😹😹
posted on 30/9/24
comment by RED666…Doing the Right thing! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by RED666…Doing the Right thing! 🇬🇧 (U6562)
posted 51 seconds ago
I’ve never been a manager out person but unfortunately I just can’t see how ETH can get us through this!
He’s not the guy INEOS really wanted but had their hand was forced with the FA cup win and most likely the lack of candidates who could take the team forward!
Questions need to be asked of the players that have come in again this summer are they really up for it?
I don’t see the fight or the spirit within the team that we once had, us and yet again Rashford lost the ball but made no effort to get the ball back!
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Forwards lose the ball all the time in the attacking half. Rashford's loose touch shouldn't have led to a goal from where VdV was. That goal isn't on Rashford. We should have been able to defend that situation quite comfortably with a proper plan and structure.
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I wasn’t saying it was on Rashford! If you read my comment again I clearly said ‘ teams just seem to breeze through our midfield, look at how Van De Ven cut through us’ it was a complete feck up!
However if you watch Rashford he steps out of the way and makes no effort to retrieve the ball, is that the UTD way?
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Oh Rashford makes the first mistake by losing the ball no question.
That shouldn't have led to a goal from there though. That's just diabolical defending and a midfield who can't get near a CB running with a ball too which is a worry.
It was an awful goal to concede.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 9 minutes ago
My biggest concern is we now have a squad packed full of players that were, at least mainly, ETH picks.
Back to square one again. All I can hope is the structure above the manager is starting to change to make this merry-go-round approach work.
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I think the squad has been moving in the right direction, and this summer we already did a good job at clearing out dead wood. Some of the ETH + Glazer era signings are fine for the medium term: I reckon Lisandro, Onana and Hojlund will be first choice going forward; and that Mount is OK as a squad player. We'll get rid of Casemiro and Antony in the next couple of years. This summer's business raises the technical and athletic floor of the team, and I think the new leadership team signed players that are compatible with the broader needs of the team in the future, not just what ETH wanted.
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