Howe, Emery, Postecoglu, Iraola, Maresca have all made instant improvements to their teams either by improving existing team members or getting better ones in
Not really sure Erik can be accused of this
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The more I see of Ange the more I really wish we’d gotten him. Someone said it best this morning - people criticise him doe not having a plan B but Ten Hag doesn’t even have a Plan A.
The players love Ange and buy into his style of play - which he implemented almost immediately whereas 3 seasons in the United players don’t even know what’s asked of them from game to game as Scholes said on the panel after the game.
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I feel we need an Ange-type manager, who knows how he wants to play, but also that the players believe in and you know are behind him. Has he got faults? Of course he does, who doesn't, but he communicates well and gets into players heads in a good way.
In many ways ETH maybe (just maybe) came to us at the wrong time, when the club was such a mess. But I think ETH has been damage by what has happened over the last couple of seasons, and certain players won't have complete faith in him and he can't change that - I really am grateful for his efforts and he what he has won for us, but he is part of the long-term problem, not the solution to it. And he just doesn't seem to have the skills which we need in a manager right now
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He's also a ruthless bastirt and can sniff out trouble makers like a bloodhound. That said, he can a pragmatist off the field and will let some stuff slide to support his long game and leave some structural detail to others. He demands 100% final decisions on the pitch and playing staff.
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I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn’t it.
It’s very easy to pass comment now, but the fact is after he won the FA cup there was very very few United fans calling for his head, and especially not after we all thought we’d had a cracking transfer window too.
Who should they have appointed instead? Like many above have said there was / is no outstanding candidate realistically, so I can understand their logic in giving him this season.
I’m not saying he should continue to be our manager. I am saying I can understand the logic INEOS used to make their decision.
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It's not hindsight. The copious amount of issues have been on show for a year now maybe slightly longer. You just chose to ignore them through blind loyalty or whatever it was.
He isn't the one mate. It's not hindsight. It's been obvious for ages he wasn't. His team set up is just wrong nearly every week. The way he wants us to play makes us look worse than what we actually are.
Take it on the chin.
Probably should have gone for Emery at the time but it’d be very hard to get him from Villa now.
Amorim may be ready to move soon, if you want an up and coming manager, he’s a good fit. Liverpool had a very long look at him before we moved for Slot.
Tbh though, I don’t think EtH is going anywhere just yet. Utd tend to back their managers well.
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I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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That's exactly the issue with Ineos on this - you don't start looking at other managers and then change your mind. You may think you are doing what is right, but it shows a lack of belief in the current manager, and then when you try to sell it as 'we looked, and there were no better options', just makes it worse.
If ETH wasn't so desparate to prove himself, he would have said, don't treat me like this - would any other manager safe in his job, accept such treatment? It was an absolutley ridiculous situation, and it's on Ineos' door
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I know mate but that poster and about 7/8 others on here are having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact they were wrong. Bruised egoes.
He can't sack himself. INEOS decided to let this shambles continue and so they have to take a portion of that blame. Anyone who disagrees with that statement is just delusional.
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Haha, I know how vocal you have been on this . It's not scientific, but sometimes when you know it's not right, you just know.
I accept that since SAF, we have not had anyone in who has been right. I admit that with Moyes and Ole, it was more hope than genuine belief that they were the ones, the rest I never felt they were.
But it's hard picking the right manager, and more often that not, you won't get the right one - but that doesn't mean we shy away from making the right decision when it comes to getting rid of another manager who hasn't come up to scratch
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn’t it.
It’s very easy to pass comment now, but the fact is after he won the FA cup there was very very few United fans calling for his head, and especially not after we all thought we’d had a cracking transfer window too.
Who should they have appointed instead? Like many above have said there was / is no outstanding candidate realistically, so I can understand their logic in giving him this season.
I’m not saying he should continue to be our manager. I am saying I can understand the logic INEOS used to make their decision.
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It's not hindsight. The copious amount of issues have been on show for a year now maybe slightly longer. You just chose to ignore them through blind loyalty or whatever it was.
He isn't the one mate. It's not hindsight. It's been obvious for ages he wasn't. His team set up is just wrong nearly every week. The way he wants us to play makes us look worse than what we actually are.
Take it on the chin.
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Please read my comments.
I am not saying he’s “the one”. Nor am I saying he should continue to be our manager.
I am saying I can understand INEOS’ decision making process to keep him at the start of this season as I have explained and in your blind anger and dislike for ETH have not comprehended.
I am also highlighting that INEOS shouldn’t be expected to fix Manchester United, who have been poor for over a decade now, magically overnight.
They are being used as a shield for the glazers, as was predicted by many, and evidently it is working from the context of this article.
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn’t it.
It’s very easy to pass comment now, but the fact is after he won the FA cup there was very very few United fans calling for his head, and especially not after we all thought we’d had a cracking transfer window too.
Who should they have appointed instead? Like many above have said there was / is no outstanding candidate realistically, so I can understand their logic in giving him this season.
I’m not saying he should continue to be our manager. I am saying I can understand the logic INEOS used to make their decision.
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But it's not hindsight - Ineos were actively speaking to other managers!!! This isn't about being right or wrong - some fane felt he ETH should stay, others didn't. But it's the process of how that occurred. As stated before, if you believe in your manager, you don't go looking at others and talking to them etc. That's what Ineos did, and once you go down that path you can't just go back on that - that is totally unfair on ETH and put him in an impossible position regardless
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comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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That's exactly the issue with Ineos on this - you don't start looking at other managers and then change your mind. You may think you are doing what is right, but it shows a lack of belief in the current manager, and then when you try to sell it as 'we looked, and there were no better options', just makes it worse.
If ETH wasn't so desparate to prove himself, he would have said, don't treat me like this - would any other manager safe in his job, accept such treatment? It was an absolutley ridiculous situation, and it's on Ineos' door
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I know mate but that poster and about 7/8 others on here are having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact they were wrong. Bruised egoes.
He can't sack himself. INEOS decided to let this shambles continue and so they have to take a portion of that blame. Anyone who disagrees with that statement is just delusional.
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Haha, I know how vocal you have been on this. It's not scientific, but sometimes when you know it's not right, you just know.
I accept that since SAF, we have not had anyone in who has been right. I admit that with Moyes and Ole, it was more hope than genuine belief that they were the ones, the rest I never felt they were.
But it's hard picking the right manager, and more often that not, you won't get the right one - but that doesn't mean we shy away from making the right decision when it comes to getting rid of another manager who hasn't come up to scratch
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He was my first choice 2 summers ago so I was wrong on him too. Didn't take me 2 years to realise it however. I knew about 4 weeks after we won the Carabao Cup that something wasn't right but I gave him til Christmas in the following season and we only got worse. Been ETH out ever since despite going to the home games which have been a real chore at times to sit through.
Like you said......when you know you know. I thank him for the two trophies but the performances and league and European form hasn't been anywhere near good enough. He's been a failure.
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comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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That's exactly the issue with Ineos on this - you don't start looking at other managers and then change your mind. You may think you are doing what is right, but it shows a lack of belief in the current manager, and then when you try to sell it as 'we looked, and there were no better options', just makes it worse.
If ETH wasn't so desparate to prove himself, he would have said, don't treat me like this - would any other manager safe in his job, accept such treatment? It was an absolutley ridiculous situation, and it's on Ineos' door
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I know mate but that poster and about 7/8 others on here are having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact they were wrong. Bruised egoes.
He can't sack himself. INEOS decided to let this shambles continue and so they have to take a portion of that blame. Anyone who disagrees with that statement is just delusional.
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Haha, I know how vocal you have been on this. It's not scientific, but sometimes when you know it's not right, you just know.
I accept that since SAF, we have not had anyone in who has been right. I admit that with Moyes and Ole, it was more hope than genuine belief that they were the ones, the rest I never felt they were.
But it's hard picking the right manager, and more often that not, you won't get the right one - but that doesn't mean we shy away from making the right decision when it comes to getting rid of another manager who hasn't come up to scratch
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He was my first choice 2 summers ago so I was wrong on him too. Didn't take me 2 years to realise it however. I knew about 4 weeks after we won the Carabao Cup that something wasn't right but I gave him til Christmas in the following season and we only got worse. Been ETH out ever since despite going to the home games which have been a real chore at times to sit through.
Like you said......when you know you know. I thank him for the two trophies but the performances and league and European form hasn't been anywhere near good enough. He's been a failure.
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I felt Moyes was the right choice, but very quickly it was obvious it wasn't working. I think we all got carried away with Ole, but deep down it was tough to admit he wasn't right. ETH was also a good choice, and we all backed it initially.
I genuinely felt he over-achieved in his first season, but then there was such a drop in the second season - with no playing style etc etc. Don't get me wrong, I think most managers would have struggled, but you could tell the players weren't with him, and he just didn't have the skills for what was required. The FA cup win just over-shadowed that, but winning cups are nice, but no reflection on how good a team you are - the league will show that.
I think ETH has made great effort and yes, the players have let him down at times, but ultimately he is repsonsible, and he's not the right guy. I also think he is still a good manager, just not the one for us, and Ineos put him in a poor position over the summer - they should have put him out of his misery, because he has had a lot to deal with.
Ten Hag Stat ..
Points in last 15 Premier League matches
Everton 21
United 19
Ten Hag Stat ..
Gary Neville at Valencia
• 28 games
• 11 losses
• 39 goals
• 38 goals conceded
Ten Hag
• last 28 games
• 13 losses
• 35 goals
• 45 goals conceded
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Ten Hag Stat ..
Gary Neville at Valencia
• 28 games
• 11 losses
• 39 goals
• 38 goals conceded
Ten Hag
• last 28 games
• 13 losses
• 35 goals
• 45 goals conceded
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I just can't see him surviving this week Robb. Two tough away games, with the team morale very low.
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I think Poch would give this squad the boost it needs - we should just buy out his contract with the USA - do we really think Poch would turn us down if offered the Utd job? I'm not sure how realistic it would be to get him, but let's tempt him.....................
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Utd will want a manager who can win trophies, as do all top clubs, which is why he’s managing the US.
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Hoody simpleton logic...I suppose ETHs trophies in the last 2 years, made him a better manager than Klopp while ETH has been in the PL, only Pep has won more cups while ETH has managed Utd.
Hoody logic ETH >>>> Klopp
That’s not my logic at all. You’ve made it up to get attention because you’re a weak and schnide man. True story.
It feels like death by a thousand cuts. Even if he avoided defeat in these 2 games, it's like what is round the corner next. ETH in a way deserves better, and I mean that in a put him out of his misery and give him a break from football management.
No doubt he will say different, but it must be hard on him, trying to manage a group of players who he is failing to make a true connection with. His dream job is turning into a nightmare, and he's no quitter, he's putting in the effort etc but it's not doing anyone any good
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That’s not my logic at all. You’ve made it up to get attention because you’re a weak and schnide man. True story.
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Ah, name calling.
Simple Hoody's trademark.
ETH has won trophies. Do you think the Utd fans are happy? Have you read the room? Totally undermines your simple logic Logic you don't even seem to understand yourself. Judging totally on trophy success has Utd keeping ETH .We may all want that because its a hilarious watch but i think Utd fans want something more progressive & sustainable.
It’s not name calling, it’s an observation. You’ve literally made up what you wrote, it’s not up for debate.
Giggsy until end of season
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posted 58 seconds ago
It’s not name calling, it’s an observation. You’ve literally made up what you wrote, it’s not up for debate.
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What you've written is right there. "Utd will want a manager who can win trophies".
They've got one . He's out performed Klopp in his time in the PL. Why would they change that if trophy success is the demand
On this basis you must think United fans are crazy for wanting ETH gone, he's won trophies....or perhaps there are other characteristics that a United fan might want from their manager/team.
You hold an entrenched simple and ill-informed view on Poch based solely on trophy success. Ignoring many of the other positive facts. An opinion which ignores facts is stupidity. Just my observation
That’s a huge leap and just makes you look desperate.
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That’s a huge leap and just makes you look desperate.
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It isnt a huge leap because we discussed this at length the other day.
I know where you are coming from. Don't rate Poch because he didn't win a pot in the top 4 leagues.
Its a very simple view.
We didn’t discuss anything, you wrote to tell me what I think, which is befitting of your arrogance. You’ve done it again there, literally making things up.
That’s what you’ve done and we can all see it.
Fact is they will want a manager that has won things, I know this as only once in living memory have the appointed someone who hasn’t. Why do you think no top clubs wanted him for years at a time? It’s not like he’s never been available is it.
League form won’t be enough, just winning some cups won’t be enough. I understand you set the bar low, you’ve been supporting Spurs, but it’s Manchester Utd, not Londons third club.
Fact is EtH has kept his job because he’s won things, in fact he was given an extension on the back of it, which kind of blows your whinging apart.
Wind your neck in Devon, you’re sound a complete beIlend.
BBC are saying that they have been told that the club's hierarchy will always consider situations carefully, rather than making a decision immediately after a bad result.
Begs the question of many bad fackin results do they need to make a decision on Ten Hag. Will they wait for Porto... or let that ine slide cos its just the EL, or defer it to the game at Villa Park, but they are top 4 CL material so losing to them doesnt count.... or give him an ultimatum that he has to beat Brentford at OT, which even he might be sure of doing. Then there is Turkey away... lets not even think what could happen there
Its all bullchit.
"Take Kane out and this wouldn't even be a discussion. He’s just an average manager and everything in his career backs this appraisal. I don't even see how it’s up for debate tbh."
Your words!
Poch has won stuff. Or are we back to the top 4 leagues again...in which case ETH also hasnt won stuff, Ole hasnt won stuff, Moyes hasnt won stuff, Big Ron...off the top of my head.
You're all over the place, and lashing out. Have a lie down simple lad
Yes, they’re my words.
Now try and match that to the drivel you’ve made up in any way whatsoever.
You can’t. How embarrassing for you.
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posted on 30/9/24
Howe, Emery, Postecoglu, Iraola, Maresca have all made instant improvements to their teams either by improving existing team members or getting better ones in
Not really sure Erik can be accused of this
posted on 30/9/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 13 minutes ago
The more I see of Ange the more I really wish we’d gotten him. Someone said it best this morning - people criticise him doe not having a plan B but Ten Hag doesn’t even have a Plan A.
The players love Ange and buy into his style of play - which he implemented almost immediately whereas 3 seasons in the United players don’t even know what’s asked of them from game to game as Scholes said on the panel after the game.
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I feel we need an Ange-type manager, who knows how he wants to play, but also that the players believe in and you know are behind him. Has he got faults? Of course he does, who doesn't, but he communicates well and gets into players heads in a good way.
In many ways ETH maybe (just maybe) came to us at the wrong time, when the club was such a mess. But I think ETH has been damage by what has happened over the last couple of seasons, and certain players won't have complete faith in him and he can't change that - I really am grateful for his efforts and he what he has won for us, but he is part of the long-term problem, not the solution to it. And he just doesn't seem to have the skills which we need in a manager right now
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He's also a ruthless bastirt and can sniff out trouble makers like a bloodhound. That said, he can a pragmatist off the field and will let some stuff slide to support his long game and leave some structural detail to others. He demands 100% final decisions on the pitch and playing staff.
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comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn’t it.
It’s very easy to pass comment now, but the fact is after he won the FA cup there was very very few United fans calling for his head, and especially not after we all thought we’d had a cracking transfer window too.
Who should they have appointed instead? Like many above have said there was / is no outstanding candidate realistically, so I can understand their logic in giving him this season.
I’m not saying he should continue to be our manager. I am saying I can understand the logic INEOS used to make their decision.
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It's not hindsight. The copious amount of issues have been on show for a year now maybe slightly longer. You just chose to ignore them through blind loyalty or whatever it was.
He isn't the one mate. It's not hindsight. It's been obvious for ages he wasn't. His team set up is just wrong nearly every week. The way he wants us to play makes us look worse than what we actually are.
Take it on the chin.
posted on 30/9/24
Probably should have gone for Emery at the time but it’d be very hard to get him from Villa now.
Amorim may be ready to move soon, if you want an up and coming manager, he’s a good fit. Liverpool had a very long look at him before we moved for Slot.
Tbh though, I don’t think EtH is going anywhere just yet. Utd tend to back their managers well.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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That's exactly the issue with Ineos on this - you don't start looking at other managers and then change your mind. You may think you are doing what is right, but it shows a lack of belief in the current manager, and then when you try to sell it as 'we looked, and there were no better options', just makes it worse.
If ETH wasn't so desparate to prove himself, he would have said, don't treat me like this - would any other manager safe in his job, accept such treatment? It was an absolutley ridiculous situation, and it's on Ineos' door
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I know mate but that poster and about 7/8 others on here are having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact they were wrong. Bruised egoes.
He can't sack himself. INEOS decided to let this shambles continue and so they have to take a portion of that blame. Anyone who disagrees with that statement is just delusional.
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Haha, I know how vocal you have been on this . It's not scientific, but sometimes when you know it's not right, you just know.
I accept that since SAF, we have not had anyone in who has been right. I admit that with Moyes and Ole, it was more hope than genuine belief that they were the ones, the rest I never felt they were.
But it's hard picking the right manager, and more often that not, you won't get the right one - but that doesn't mean we shy away from making the right decision when it comes to getting rid of another manager who hasn't come up to scratch
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn’t it.
It’s very easy to pass comment now, but the fact is after he won the FA cup there was very very few United fans calling for his head, and especially not after we all thought we’d had a cracking transfer window too.
Who should they have appointed instead? Like many above have said there was / is no outstanding candidate realistically, so I can understand their logic in giving him this season.
I’m not saying he should continue to be our manager. I am saying I can understand the logic INEOS used to make their decision.
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It's not hindsight. The copious amount of issues have been on show for a year now maybe slightly longer. You just chose to ignore them through blind loyalty or whatever it was.
He isn't the one mate. It's not hindsight. It's been obvious for ages he wasn't. His team set up is just wrong nearly every week. The way he wants us to play makes us look worse than what we actually are.
Take it on the chin.
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Please read my comments.
I am not saying he’s “the one”. Nor am I saying he should continue to be our manager.
I am saying I can understand INEOS’ decision making process to keep him at the start of this season as I have explained and in your blind anger and dislike for ETH have not comprehended.
I am also highlighting that INEOS shouldn’t be expected to fix Manchester United, who have been poor for over a decade now, magically overnight.
They are being used as a shield for the glazers, as was predicted by many, and evidently it is working from the context of this article.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn’t it.
It’s very easy to pass comment now, but the fact is after he won the FA cup there was very very few United fans calling for his head, and especially not after we all thought we’d had a cracking transfer window too.
Who should they have appointed instead? Like many above have said there was / is no outstanding candidate realistically, so I can understand their logic in giving him this season.
I’m not saying he should continue to be our manager. I am saying I can understand the logic INEOS used to make their decision.
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But it's not hindsight - Ineos were actively speaking to other managers!!! This isn't about being right or wrong - some fane felt he ETH should stay, others didn't. But it's the process of how that occurred. As stated before, if you believe in your manager, you don't go looking at others and talking to them etc. That's what Ineos did, and once you go down that path you can't just go back on that - that is totally unfair on ETH and put him in an impossible position regardless
posted on 30/9/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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That's exactly the issue with Ineos on this - you don't start looking at other managers and then change your mind. You may think you are doing what is right, but it shows a lack of belief in the current manager, and then when you try to sell it as 'we looked, and there were no better options', just makes it worse.
If ETH wasn't so desparate to prove himself, he would have said, don't treat me like this - would any other manager safe in his job, accept such treatment? It was an absolutley ridiculous situation, and it's on Ineos' door
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I know mate but that poster and about 7/8 others on here are having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact they were wrong. Bruised egoes.
He can't sack himself. INEOS decided to let this shambles continue and so they have to take a portion of that blame. Anyone who disagrees with that statement is just delusional.
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Haha, I know how vocal you have been on this. It's not scientific, but sometimes when you know it's not right, you just know.
I accept that since SAF, we have not had anyone in who has been right. I admit that with Moyes and Ole, it was more hope than genuine belief that they were the ones, the rest I never felt they were.
But it's hard picking the right manager, and more often that not, you won't get the right one - but that doesn't mean we shy away from making the right decision when it comes to getting rid of another manager who hasn't come up to scratch
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He was my first choice 2 summers ago so I was wrong on him too. Didn't take me 2 years to realise it however. I knew about 4 weeks after we won the Carabao Cup that something wasn't right but I gave him til Christmas in the following season and we only got worse. Been ETH out ever since despite going to the home games which have been a real chore at times to sit through.
Like you said......when you know you know. I thank him for the two trophies but the performances and league and European form hasn't been anywhere near good enough. He's been a failure.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 3 minutes ago
I have no idea how people can blame INEOS for anything this season so far to be fair.
Difficult to see results from any minorty ownership in less than 6 months following decades of neglect, mismanagement and financial stupidity by the actual owners.
Do not forget the Glazers are still the majority ownership of this football club, and we are still paying tens of millions a year for this privilege.
All this highlights is that the Glazers new INEOS “shield” is working a treat.
At least INEOS have put structures in that resembles a normal modern functioning club and appointed top executives to support this. This will bear fruition.
I for one think they have done well so far and are highly logical, and can understand all their decisions so far, even the one to keep our manager after a fair and open review.
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They put him in an impossible position. Not my words but those of Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker. Go watch that clip I posted in the first few comments.
So yes we can blame them a little bit. They shouldn't have given him another year. Who else is to blame for that? Fred the red?
Wake the f up. He should have sacked him when he started interviewing other managers. He didn't and look at whats happened? He's been a lame duck manager ever since that day. It's on INEOS for not following through.
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That's exactly the issue with Ineos on this - you don't start looking at other managers and then change your mind. You may think you are doing what is right, but it shows a lack of belief in the current manager, and then when you try to sell it as 'we looked, and there were no better options', just makes it worse.
If ETH wasn't so desparate to prove himself, he would have said, don't treat me like this - would any other manager safe in his job, accept such treatment? It was an absolutley ridiculous situation, and it's on Ineos' door
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I know mate but that poster and about 7/8 others on here are having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact they were wrong. Bruised egoes.
He can't sack himself. INEOS decided to let this shambles continue and so they have to take a portion of that blame. Anyone who disagrees with that statement is just delusional.
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Haha, I know how vocal you have been on this. It's not scientific, but sometimes when you know it's not right, you just know.
I accept that since SAF, we have not had anyone in who has been right. I admit that with Moyes and Ole, it was more hope than genuine belief that they were the ones, the rest I never felt they were.
But it's hard picking the right manager, and more often that not, you won't get the right one - but that doesn't mean we shy away from making the right decision when it comes to getting rid of another manager who hasn't come up to scratch
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He was my first choice 2 summers ago so I was wrong on him too. Didn't take me 2 years to realise it however. I knew about 4 weeks after we won the Carabao Cup that something wasn't right but I gave him til Christmas in the following season and we only got worse. Been ETH out ever since despite going to the home games which have been a real chore at times to sit through.
Like you said......when you know you know. I thank him for the two trophies but the performances and league and European form hasn't been anywhere near good enough. He's been a failure.
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I felt Moyes was the right choice, but very quickly it was obvious it wasn't working. I think we all got carried away with Ole, but deep down it was tough to admit he wasn't right. ETH was also a good choice, and we all backed it initially.
I genuinely felt he over-achieved in his first season, but then there was such a drop in the second season - with no playing style etc etc. Don't get me wrong, I think most managers would have struggled, but you could tell the players weren't with him, and he just didn't have the skills for what was required. The FA cup win just over-shadowed that, but winning cups are nice, but no reflection on how good a team you are - the league will show that.
I think ETH has made great effort and yes, the players have let him down at times, but ultimately he is repsonsible, and he's not the right guy. I also think he is still a good manager, just not the one for us, and Ineos put him in a poor position over the summer - they should have put him out of his misery, because he has had a lot to deal with.
posted on 30/9/24
Ten Hag Stat ..
Points in last 15 Premier League matches
Everton 21
United 19
posted on 30/9/24
Ten Hag Stat ..
Gary Neville at Valencia
• 28 games
• 11 losses
• 39 goals
• 38 goals conceded
Ten Hag
• last 28 games
• 13 losses
• 35 goals
• 45 goals conceded
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 16 minutes ago
Ten Hag Stat ..
Gary Neville at Valencia
• 28 games
• 11 losses
• 39 goals
• 38 goals conceded
Ten Hag
• last 28 games
• 13 losses
• 35 goals
• 45 goals conceded
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I just can't see him surviving this week Robb. Two tough away games, with the team morale very low.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 21 seconds ago
I think Poch would give this squad the boost it needs - we should just buy out his contract with the USA - do we really think Poch would turn us down if offered the Utd job? I'm not sure how realistic it would be to get him, but let's tempt him.....................
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Utd will want a manager who can win trophies, as do all top clubs, which is why he’s managing the US.
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Hoody simpleton logic...I suppose ETHs trophies in the last 2 years, made him a better manager than Klopp while ETH has been in the PL, only Pep has won more cups while ETH has managed Utd.
Hoody logic ETH >>>> Klopp
posted on 30/9/24
That’s not my logic at all. You’ve made it up to get attention because you’re a weak and schnide man. True story.
posted on 30/9/24
It feels like death by a thousand cuts. Even if he avoided defeat in these 2 games, it's like what is round the corner next. ETH in a way deserves better, and I mean that in a put him out of his misery and give him a break from football management.
No doubt he will say different, but it must be hard on him, trying to manage a group of players who he is failing to make a true connection with. His dream job is turning into a nightmare, and he's no quitter, he's putting in the effort etc but it's not doing anyone any good
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
That’s not my logic at all. You’ve made it up to get attention because you’re a weak and schnide man. True story.
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Ah, name calling.
Simple Hoody's trademark.
ETH has won trophies. Do you think the Utd fans are happy? Have you read the room? Totally undermines your simple logic Logic you don't even seem to understand yourself. Judging totally on trophy success has Utd keeping ETH .We may all want that because its a hilarious watch but i think Utd fans want something more progressive & sustainable.
posted on 30/9/24
It’s not name calling, it’s an observation. You’ve literally made up what you wrote, it’s not up for debate.
posted on 30/9/24
Giggsy until end of season
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 58 seconds ago
It’s not name calling, it’s an observation. You’ve literally made up what you wrote, it’s not up for debate.
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What you've written is right there. "Utd will want a manager who can win trophies".
They've got one . He's out performed Klopp in his time in the PL. Why would they change that if trophy success is the demand
On this basis you must think United fans are crazy for wanting ETH gone, he's won trophies....or perhaps there are other characteristics that a United fan might want from their manager/team.
You hold an entrenched simple and ill-informed view on Poch based solely on trophy success. Ignoring many of the other positive facts. An opinion which ignores facts is stupidity. Just my observation
posted on 30/9/24
That’s a huge leap and just makes you look desperate.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
That’s a huge leap and just makes you look desperate.
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It isnt a huge leap because we discussed this at length the other day.
I know where you are coming from. Don't rate Poch because he didn't win a pot in the top 4 leagues.
Its a very simple view.
posted on 30/9/24
We didn’t discuss anything, you wrote to tell me what I think, which is befitting of your arrogance. You’ve done it again there, literally making things up.
That’s what you’ve done and we can all see it.
Fact is they will want a manager that has won things, I know this as only once in living memory have the appointed someone who hasn’t. Why do you think no top clubs wanted him for years at a time? It’s not like he’s never been available is it.
League form won’t be enough, just winning some cups won’t be enough. I understand you set the bar low, you’ve been supporting Spurs, but it’s Manchester Utd, not Londons third club.
Fact is EtH has kept his job because he’s won things, in fact he was given an extension on the back of it, which kind of blows your whinging apart.
Wind your neck in Devon, you’re sound a complete beIlend.
posted on 30/9/24
BBC are saying that they have been told that the club's hierarchy will always consider situations carefully, rather than making a decision immediately after a bad result.
Begs the question of many bad fackin results do they need to make a decision on Ten Hag. Will they wait for Porto... or let that ine slide cos its just the EL, or defer it to the game at Villa Park, but they are top 4 CL material so losing to them doesnt count.... or give him an ultimatum that he has to beat Brentford at OT, which even he might be sure of doing. Then there is Turkey away... lets not even think what could happen there
Its all bullchit.
posted on 30/9/24
"Take Kane out and this wouldn't even be a discussion. He’s just an average manager and everything in his career backs this appraisal. I don't even see how it’s up for debate tbh."
Your words!
Poch has won stuff. Or are we back to the top 4 leagues again...in which case ETH also hasnt won stuff, Ole hasnt won stuff, Moyes hasnt won stuff, Big Ron...off the top of my head.
You're all over the place, and lashing out. Have a lie down simple lad
posted on 30/9/24
Yes, they’re my words.
Now try and match that to the drivel you’ve made up in any way whatsoever.
You can’t. How embarrassing for you.
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