At least 5 or until Bamford is fullyfit
until Bamford is fullyfit
^^^
2035
Mateo's doing a ton of work. I'd keep him in.
Club fcked this up last January when we needed
a striker and they decided nah we'll wait for Bamford
to regenerate and go back in time. Huge mistake.
When it comes to Bamford, people still look back to a time under Bielsa when he was truly decent. I don't mean to be negative about the guy but we've been waiting for the last 3 years for him to show a glimpse of what he had and it has never materialised. I think his (expensive) contract is up at the end of this season – that's the time to wave him goodbye.
I think Joseph misses James's influence and also Solomon but maybe Razza as I lazily abbreviate his name to can give Joseph that supply he seems not to be getting recently and one goal will ignite the lads belief and confidence like all those years ago Bergkamp struggled at Arsenal and as soon as he opened his account he never looked back.... I know the comparison may seem a bit miles off but you get the gist I'm sure.
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
until Bamford is fullyfit
^^^
2035
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I don't care if Joseph doesn't score another goal in his life if the only alternative is Bamford ffs.
I’m in two minds. He’s doing a lot off the ball and some good link up play, but part of me thinks just play Piroe at 9 especially against a weaker side. But then I watch Piroe play and remember why Joseph is starting.
Joseph’s been fine. Nothing more, he needs to start being more of a goal threat
Team game. No issues with whos scoring the goals so long as someone is and the team is set up for goals to be scored from various players.
The striker job for Leeds is not easy. A lot of work to be done off the ball. Joseph performances in the whole have been very good.
How many chances has he missed? The one on one that no other striker could have created for themselves with the tackle and sprint.
The turn and shot that went over the bar.
Cant think of any others so either he isnt getting in the right positions or its something else.
Personally i think its something else. When we attack invariably we have 1-2 players in the box versus 8 defensive shirts. Not easy for any striker in the world to score goals.
Gnonto, Ramazani, James, Aaronson, Piroe, Solomon, should all be targeting 10 goals each. Struijk 5. Bogle and Firpo a collated 5.
Bamfords record was 9/36 last season
1 in 4, so he is litrally twice as effective as Joseph.
anyone acting like bamford dosent do link up play, pull defenders about to get the other forwards into the game or generally run himself into the ground for the team either hasent watched us play or just wants to hate on bamford.
Bamford when fit does everything Joseph does, he also finds the net twice as often.
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
Team game. No issues with whos scoring the goals so long as someone is and the team is set up for goals to be scored from various players.
The striker job for Leeds is not easy. A lot of work to be done off the ball. Joseph performances in the whole have been very good.
How many chances has he missed? The one on one that no other striker could have created for themselves with the tackle and sprint.
The turn and shot that went over the bar.
Cant think of any others so either he isnt getting in the right positions or its something else.
Personally i think its something else. When we attack invariably we have 1-2 players in the box versus 8 defensive shirts. Not easy for any striker in the world to score goals.
Gnonto, Ramazani, James, Aaronson, Piroe, Solomon, should all be targeting 10 goals each. Struijk 5. Bogle and Firpo a collated 5.
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He got himself into a great position against Coventry and shot straight at the keeper when a shot either side would have been a goal.
He’s playing OK but a fully fit Bamford is still better at the moment IMO. We all know he’s not the future though so we need to give Joseph a chance to make his mark.
Bamford's fitness as he ages is likely to get worse rather than better.
Last season's form is no indicator of what will happen this season but as I said previously four facts from last season were, his strike rate per ninety minutes was better than any other player at the club (fact), his shots on target ratio was better than any other player at the club (fact), we went through our best spell of the season at a time when Bamford was fully fit and leading the line (fact) and our form dramatically dropped when he got injured (fact).
I think all of us knew that as soon as Bamford was injured and out for the playoff final that we weren't going to win.
He obviously cannot do it to the same level any more, Biela's regime coupled with an aging body, but he's still got a lot to give.
Pretty sure, assuming he stays fit, that if Farke can get him up to speed, if he choses to drop Joseph, Bamford will be his go to striker with Piroe and Joseph off the bench.
I think Joseph gets nod at number 9 at beginning of season as Bamford not fit and Farke....well Farke doesn't see Piroe as a 9, funnily enough he doesn't see him as a 10 either.
The conversations remind me of koppite trying to justify Billy Painter because a striker isn't necessarily there to score goals!
I think we all hope that at some point the goals flow for Joseph, but if they're not, as they're not at present, surely a change is needed.
Morning all🌞.
So, I’m still sticking to what I said recently (yep, even after another blank for him v Norwich) … start him every game and sub him for Piroe to get his goal. In manager speak: “Bamford is no longer a part of my plans”😁.
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 14 hours, 50 minutes ago
Team game. No issues with whos scoring the goals so long as someone is and the team is set up for goals to be scored from various players.
The striker job for Leeds is not easy. A lot of work to be done off the ball. Joseph performances in the whole have been very good.
How many chances has he missed? The one on one that no other striker could have created for themselves with the tackle and sprint.
The turn and shot that went over the bar.
Cant think of any others so either he isnt getting in the right positions or its something else.
Personally i think its something else. When we attack invariably we have 1-2 players in the box versus 8 defensive shirts. Not easy for any striker in the world to score goals.
Gnonto, Ramazani, James, Aaronson, Piroe, Solomon, should all be targeting 10 goals each. Struijk 5. Bogle and Firpo a collated 5.
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Piroe has targeted himself to get 20+ goals this season.
comment by The Light Brigade (U22847)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 14 hours, 50 minutes ago
Team game. No issues with whos scoring the goals so long as someone is and the team is set up for goals to be scored from various players.
The striker job for Leeds is not easy. A lot of work to be done off the ball. Joseph performances in the whole have been very good.
How many chances has he missed? The one on one that no other striker could have created for themselves with the tackle and sprint.
The turn and shot that went over the bar.
Cant think of any others so either he isnt getting in the right positions or its something else.
Personally i think its something else. When we attack invariably we have 1-2 players in the box versus 8 defensive shirts. Not easy for any striker in the world to score goals.
Gnonto, Ramazani, James, Aaronson, Piroe, Solomon, should all be targeting 10 goals each. Struijk 5. Bogle and Firpo a collated 5.
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Piroe has targeted himself to get 20+ goals this season.
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If he started 40+ games, he'd get that.
Firstly, well done, Farke, for persevering with Joseph. He has talent and he is getting into great positions. His shooting is a little hurried, but I am confident we have a real talent on our hands. Can we give him a little more time? I think it will be worth it.
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 3 hours ago
Firstly, well done, Farke, for persevering with Joseph. He has talent and he is getting into great positions. His shooting is a little hurried, but I am confident we have a real talent on our hands. Can we give him a little more time? I think it will be worth it.
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How much more time would you give him?
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 3 hours ago
Firstly, well done, Farke, for persevering with Joseph. He has talent and he is getting into great positions. His shooting is a little hurried, but I am confident we have a real talent on our hands. Can we give him a little more time? I think it will be worth it.
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How much more time would you give him?
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I think the answer to that question would be until PB is considered fully fit as he is the only other out and out striker Leeds have in their squad and Piroe isn't utilised in the same way as lone striker leading the line and therefore without trying to sound glib or taking the mick Joseph has until at least the January transfer window to keep his starting place as I just don't see Bamford ever being fully match fit again in a Leeds shirt and I think it's more likely he will pick up another injury in training or in the limited minutes Farke is willing to give him as a late sub.
comment by Macca & The Rhythm Sticks : aka Lucky Chair Dave (U8194)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 3 hours ago
Firstly, well done, Farke, for persevering with Joseph. He has talent and he is getting into great positions. His shooting is a little hurried, but I am confident we have a real talent on our hands. Can we give him a little more time? I think it will be worth it.
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How much more time would you give him?
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I think the answer to that question would be until PB is considered fully fit as he is the only other out and out striker Leeds have in their squad and Piroe isn't utilised in the same way as lone striker leading the line and therefore without trying to sound glib or taking the mick Joseph has until at least the January transfer window to keep his starting place as I just don't see Bamford ever being fully match fit again in a Leeds shirt and I think it's more likely he will pick up another injury in training or in the limited minutes Farke is willing to give him as a late sub.
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and that\'s the question, no disrespect to Joseph, but how long do you give strikers that arent scoring?
Jan window is 16 matches away, at a rate of 1 in 9 that's potentially just 1 goal in next 16 matches from Joseph.
I think the key isnt Joseph, the key is providing better service to Joseph.
Comparing a fully exposed player over many seasons to another younger player, much less exposed, getting a deserved chance over just more than a handful of games is just about the daftest comment I’ve heard.
Bamford was top of the pops for a couple of seasons for missed chances, injury prone and imo quite an average striker relatively speaking to other strikers in the top divisions.
What is it with this fixation with Bamford, I find it bizarre…he seems to have engineered not so much a football contract, more a marriage contract?
Give Joseph a fair crack of the whip and not consign him to warming the bench…he looks to me worth playing more games in his position, far too early to be making categorical judgements.
Bamford was top of the pops for a couple of seasons for missed chances, injury prone and imo quite an average striker relatively speaking to other strikers in the top divisions.
What is it with this fixation with Bamford, I find it bizarre…he seems to have engineered not so much a football contract, more a marriage contract?
^^^
In a nutshell right there.
And Bamford's fan club act like his family members
who helped pay for the wedding reception. Personally
hurt by any suggestion that he's finished.
Which he is.
This January window the club needs to take action.
No more d 1 kcing around like every other window.
Give the lad some slack - personally think he's the real deal.
His hold up play is good, as he has the strength. One issue he has is the service at times, due to our wingers trying to emulate Saka and cut in and shoot but unlike Saka their conversion rate is not that standard. Also with Saka his dead ball deliveries invariably are very good from both freekicks and corners, ours are invariably dross - this really doesn't help Mateo's cause.
... Havertz would have the conversion rate of a benched Bamford if he relied on our service.
I actually do think Joseph will come good but it might need another season before his composure for example that more experienced strikers gain but don't always perfect bares fruit but certainly I think that miss against Burnley Joseph scores that comfortably next season but hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised by Joseph's improvement trajectory and he bags the winner against Sunderland.... Also without labouring the point it really is utterly shambolic recruitment to only have Joseph and PB as our only out and out first team centre forward options.
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posted on 2/10/24
At least 5 or until Bamford is fullyfit
posted on 2/10/24
until Bamford is fullyfit
^^^
2035
posted on 2/10/24
Mateo's doing a ton of work. I'd keep him in.
Club fcked this up last January when we needed
a striker and they decided nah we'll wait for Bamford
to regenerate and go back in time. Huge mistake.
posted on 2/10/24
When it comes to Bamford, people still look back to a time under Bielsa when he was truly decent. I don't mean to be negative about the guy but we've been waiting for the last 3 years for him to show a glimpse of what he had and it has never materialised. I think his (expensive) contract is up at the end of this season – that's the time to wave him goodbye.
posted on 2/10/24
I think Joseph misses James's influence and also Solomon but maybe Razza as I lazily abbreviate his name to can give Joseph that supply he seems not to be getting recently and one goal will ignite the lads belief and confidence like all those years ago Bergkamp struggled at Arsenal and as soon as he opened his account he never looked back.... I know the comparison may seem a bit miles off but you get the gist I'm sure.
posted on 2/10/24
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
until Bamford is fullyfit
^^^
2035
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posted on 2/10/24
I don't care if Joseph doesn't score another goal in his life if the only alternative is Bamford ffs.
posted on 2/10/24
I’m in two minds. He’s doing a lot off the ball and some good link up play, but part of me thinks just play Piroe at 9 especially against a weaker side. But then I watch Piroe play and remember why Joseph is starting.
Joseph’s been fine. Nothing more, he needs to start being more of a goal threat
posted on 2/10/24
Team game. No issues with whos scoring the goals so long as someone is and the team is set up for goals to be scored from various players.
The striker job for Leeds is not easy. A lot of work to be done off the ball. Joseph performances in the whole have been very good.
How many chances has he missed? The one on one that no other striker could have created for themselves with the tackle and sprint.
The turn and shot that went over the bar.
Cant think of any others so either he isnt getting in the right positions or its something else.
Personally i think its something else. When we attack invariably we have 1-2 players in the box versus 8 defensive shirts. Not easy for any striker in the world to score goals.
Gnonto, Ramazani, James, Aaronson, Piroe, Solomon, should all be targeting 10 goals each. Struijk 5. Bogle and Firpo a collated 5.
posted on 2/10/24
Bamfords record was 9/36 last season
1 in 4, so he is litrally twice as effective as Joseph.
anyone acting like bamford dosent do link up play, pull defenders about to get the other forwards into the game or generally run himself into the ground for the team either hasent watched us play or just wants to hate on bamford.
Bamford when fit does everything Joseph does, he also finds the net twice as often.
posted on 2/10/24
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
Team game. No issues with whos scoring the goals so long as someone is and the team is set up for goals to be scored from various players.
The striker job for Leeds is not easy. A lot of work to be done off the ball. Joseph performances in the whole have been very good.
How many chances has he missed? The one on one that no other striker could have created for themselves with the tackle and sprint.
The turn and shot that went over the bar.
Cant think of any others so either he isnt getting in the right positions or its something else.
Personally i think its something else. When we attack invariably we have 1-2 players in the box versus 8 defensive shirts. Not easy for any striker in the world to score goals.
Gnonto, Ramazani, James, Aaronson, Piroe, Solomon, should all be targeting 10 goals each. Struijk 5. Bogle and Firpo a collated 5.
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He got himself into a great position against Coventry and shot straight at the keeper when a shot either side would have been a goal.
He’s playing OK but a fully fit Bamford is still better at the moment IMO. We all know he’s not the future though so we need to give Joseph a chance to make his mark.
posted on 3/10/24
Bamford's fitness as he ages is likely to get worse rather than better.
Last season's form is no indicator of what will happen this season but as I said previously four facts from last season were, his strike rate per ninety minutes was better than any other player at the club (fact), his shots on target ratio was better than any other player at the club (fact), we went through our best spell of the season at a time when Bamford was fully fit and leading the line (fact) and our form dramatically dropped when he got injured (fact).
I think all of us knew that as soon as Bamford was injured and out for the playoff final that we weren't going to win.
He obviously cannot do it to the same level any more, Biela's regime coupled with an aging body, but he's still got a lot to give.
Pretty sure, assuming he stays fit, that if Farke can get him up to speed, if he choses to drop Joseph, Bamford will be his go to striker with Piroe and Joseph off the bench.
posted on 3/10/24
I think Joseph gets nod at number 9 at beginning of season as Bamford not fit and Farke....well Farke doesn't see Piroe as a 9, funnily enough he doesn't see him as a 10 either.
The conversations remind me of koppite trying to justify Billy Painter because a striker isn't necessarily there to score goals!
I think we all hope that at some point the goals flow for Joseph, but if they're not, as they're not at present, surely a change is needed.
posted on 3/10/24
Morning all🌞.
So, I’m still sticking to what I said recently (yep, even after another blank for him v Norwich) … start him every game and sub him for Piroe to get his goal. In manager speak: “Bamford is no longer a part of my plans”😁.
posted on 3/10/24
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 14 hours, 50 minutes ago
Team game. No issues with whos scoring the goals so long as someone is and the team is set up for goals to be scored from various players.
The striker job for Leeds is not easy. A lot of work to be done off the ball. Joseph performances in the whole have been very good.
How many chances has he missed? The one on one that no other striker could have created for themselves with the tackle and sprint.
The turn and shot that went over the bar.
Cant think of any others so either he isnt getting in the right positions or its something else.
Personally i think its something else. When we attack invariably we have 1-2 players in the box versus 8 defensive shirts. Not easy for any striker in the world to score goals.
Gnonto, Ramazani, James, Aaronson, Piroe, Solomon, should all be targeting 10 goals each. Struijk 5. Bogle and Firpo a collated 5.
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Piroe has targeted himself to get 20+ goals this season.
posted on 3/10/24
comment by The Light Brigade (U22847)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 14 hours, 50 minutes ago
Team game. No issues with whos scoring the goals so long as someone is and the team is set up for goals to be scored from various players.
The striker job for Leeds is not easy. A lot of work to be done off the ball. Joseph performances in the whole have been very good.
How many chances has he missed? The one on one that no other striker could have created for themselves with the tackle and sprint.
The turn and shot that went over the bar.
Cant think of any others so either he isnt getting in the right positions or its something else.
Personally i think its something else. When we attack invariably we have 1-2 players in the box versus 8 defensive shirts. Not easy for any striker in the world to score goals.
Gnonto, Ramazani, James, Aaronson, Piroe, Solomon, should all be targeting 10 goals each. Struijk 5. Bogle and Firpo a collated 5.
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Piroe has targeted himself to get 20+ goals this season.
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If he started 40+ games, he'd get that.
posted on 3/10/24
Firstly, well done, Farke, for persevering with Joseph. He has talent and he is getting into great positions. His shooting is a little hurried, but I am confident we have a real talent on our hands. Can we give him a little more time? I think it will be worth it.
posted on 3/10/24
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 3 hours ago
Firstly, well done, Farke, for persevering with Joseph. He has talent and he is getting into great positions. His shooting is a little hurried, but I am confident we have a real talent on our hands. Can we give him a little more time? I think it will be worth it.
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How much more time would you give him?
posted on 3/10/24
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 3 hours ago
Firstly, well done, Farke, for persevering with Joseph. He has talent and he is getting into great positions. His shooting is a little hurried, but I am confident we have a real talent on our hands. Can we give him a little more time? I think it will be worth it.
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How much more time would you give him?
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I think the answer to that question would be until PB is considered fully fit as he is the only other out and out striker Leeds have in their squad and Piroe isn't utilised in the same way as lone striker leading the line and therefore without trying to sound glib or taking the mick Joseph has until at least the January transfer window to keep his starting place as I just don't see Bamford ever being fully match fit again in a Leeds shirt and I think it's more likely he will pick up another injury in training or in the limited minutes Farke is willing to give him as a late sub.
posted on 3/10/24
comment by Macca & The Rhythm Sticks : aka Lucky Chair Dave (U8194)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 3 hours ago
Firstly, well done, Farke, for persevering with Joseph. He has talent and he is getting into great positions. His shooting is a little hurried, but I am confident we have a real talent on our hands. Can we give him a little more time? I think it will be worth it.
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How much more time would you give him?
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I think the answer to that question would be until PB is considered fully fit as he is the only other out and out striker Leeds have in their squad and Piroe isn't utilised in the same way as lone striker leading the line and therefore without trying to sound glib or taking the mick Joseph has until at least the January transfer window to keep his starting place as I just don't see Bamford ever being fully match fit again in a Leeds shirt and I think it's more likely he will pick up another injury in training or in the limited minutes Farke is willing to give him as a late sub.
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and that\'s the question, no disrespect to Joseph, but how long do you give strikers that arent scoring?
Jan window is 16 matches away, at a rate of 1 in 9 that's potentially just 1 goal in next 16 matches from Joseph.
I think the key isnt Joseph, the key is providing better service to Joseph.
posted on 3/10/24
Comparing a fully exposed player over many seasons to another younger player, much less exposed, getting a deserved chance over just more than a handful of games is just about the daftest comment I’ve heard.
Bamford was top of the pops for a couple of seasons for missed chances, injury prone and imo quite an average striker relatively speaking to other strikers in the top divisions.
What is it with this fixation with Bamford, I find it bizarre…he seems to have engineered not so much a football contract, more a marriage contract?
Give Joseph a fair crack of the whip and not consign him to warming the bench…he looks to me worth playing more games in his position, far too early to be making categorical judgements.
posted on 3/10/24
Bamford was top of the pops for a couple of seasons for missed chances, injury prone and imo quite an average striker relatively speaking to other strikers in the top divisions.
What is it with this fixation with Bamford, I find it bizarre…he seems to have engineered not so much a football contract, more a marriage contract?
^^^
In a nutshell right there.
And Bamford's fan club act like his family members
who helped pay for the wedding reception. Personally
hurt by any suggestion that he's finished.
Which he is.
This January window the club needs to take action.
No more d 1 kcing around like every other window.
posted on 3/10/24
Give the lad some slack - personally think he's the real deal.
His hold up play is good, as he has the strength. One issue he has is the service at times, due to our wingers trying to emulate Saka and cut in and shoot but unlike Saka their conversion rate is not that standard. Also with Saka his dead ball deliveries invariably are very good from both freekicks and corners, ours are invariably dross - this really doesn't help Mateo's cause.
posted on 3/10/24
... Havertz would have the conversion rate of a benched Bamford if he relied on our service.
posted on 3/10/24
I actually do think Joseph will come good but it might need another season before his composure for example that more experienced strikers gain but don't always perfect bares fruit but certainly I think that miss against Burnley Joseph scores that comfortably next season but hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised by Joseph's improvement trajectory and he bags the winner against Sunderland.... Also without labouring the point it really is utterly shambolic recruitment to only have Joseph and PB as our only out and out first team centre forward options.
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