comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)

Iran killed 0 civilians in the latest attack despite hitting numerous military targets. Israel TARGETS civilians. Its their policy, its in their agenda to make people turn on its leaders. They don't value anyone's lives but their own as they're a supremacist nation and are systematically raised to hate arabs and see them as animals.
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You realise theres massive factors as to why this is right? most Irans missiles were shot down... Israel probably doesnt hide their military operations amongst civillians? Hamas Hezbollah etc do and quite frankly they have to. One of the best tools theyve got is using their own people as human shields in the hope the enemy dont attack,if they do they gain support and Israel is condemned.

Im not condoning Israel at all, i think their leaders a wrongun and its a disproportionate response. And i agree with RR on theyre taking land etc this was just too good of an excuse given to them by Hamas and Iran to achieve their goals.
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No they weren't shot down at all you muppet

There's many videos showing missiles landing. Do your fkin research. There's many experts Scott Ritter, Colonel Mcgregor who will tell you the truth, not bbc or sky.

Iran could have inflicted casualties if it wanted but it didn't want an escalation but doing nothing has empowered satanyahoo to go on full killing sprees to protect his own selfish mf life and to force Usa to come to their defence when the arab nations eventually say enough is enough.

Israel is a bully and only understands force

Could have been heavily edited but the israeli civilians said how they wish for peace and a two state solution, and palestinians wanted the destruction of israel.


There’s been hundreds of polls conducted that state Israelis don’t want a two state solution, if they did they wouldn’t be electing neo Naaazi fascists into their governments every single time.

if thats true salah, which im not doubting as again i dont know too much, why did hamas poke the bear?

Its always the innocent that suffer, the ones who want peace and would happily live amongst eachoher in harmony. Of which theres plenty on both sides outside the wronguns on both sides.

I dont see it ending anytime soon so long as both sides are still in power. Iran and Netanyahu... Even if theres a ceasefire and temporary peace, what will happen? I imagine Netanyahu keeps slowly illegally taking land and homes from Palestinians and Iran and its proxies keep planning terrorist attacks on Israel.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
Israel is largely surrounded by countries which want peace and justice, 52.

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This...just can't be true. Considering about 60 years ago there was over a million jews in the middle east and now theres only estimated 15,000.

I don't know enough about the conflict tbh and feel that people still believe in fairytales to be all quite silly in this day and age.

But I did see a documentary of someone who interviewed people in isreali and palestinian terrorities. Could have been heavily edited but the israeli civilians said how they wish for peace and a two state solution, and palestinians wanted the destruction of israel.


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So a stupid take

Lekud or whatever they are called (Israeli government)
Has in their charter that there will never be an independent Palestinian state so stop peddling Israeli properganda. Muppets like you are the problem

Israel are pathological liars

comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 49 seconds ago
Could have been heavily edited but the israeli civilians said how they wish for peace and a two state solution, and palestinians wanted the destruction of israel.


There’s been hundreds of polls conducted that state Israelis don’t want a two state solution, if they did they wouldn’t be electing neo Naaazi fascists into their governments every single time.
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Could be true. And I will try and do a bit of reading on it. But was an interesting documentary nonetheless.

Do you have a link to these polls mate?

comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
Israel is largely surrounded by countries which want peace and justice, 52.

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This...just can't be true. Considering about 60 years ago there was over a million jews in the middle east and now theres only estimated 15,000.

I don't know enough about the conflict tbh and feel that people still believe in fairytales to be all quite silly in this day and age.

But I did see a documentary of someone who interviewed people in isreali and palestinian terrorities. Could have been heavily edited but the israeli civilians said how they wish for peace and a two state solution, and palestinians wanted the destruction of israel.


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So a stupid take

Lekud or whatever they are called (Israeli government)
Has in their charter that there will never be an independent Palestinian state so stop peddling Israeli properganda. Muppets like you are the problem

Israel are pathological liars
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someones unhinged what a child

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
if thats true salah, which im not doubting as again i dont know too much, why did hamas poke the bear?
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Ask them

comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
if thats true salah, which im not doubting as again i dont know too much, why did hamas poke the bear?
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Ask them
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Alas I cannot, and you seem to be the residential expert by your strong stances. It's a conflict and history I am ignorant to and certainly not on a side of either, so rather than throw your toys out the pram talking about propaganda why not try have a sensible discussion?

Are people still peddling that ceasefire crap? Israel do not want a ceasefire, clearly.

They've bombed how many countries now? Lebanon, Syria, they tried it with Iran before getting a shiiiiitstorm of completely justified rockets back. Let's see them try it again.

Do these sound like the actions of the good guys? No. Israel are not the good guys. Neither are the "chosen people" who move there and occupy dead Palestinians homes.

People really need to wake up and see what's going on here.

Tu Meke do you think there will ever be a resolution?

Poke the bear

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
Is there any solution that means a secure. democratic and contented region.
Israel doesn't want to be surrounded by enemies, pledged to it's extermination, and developing nuclear weapons.
Against that Israel have acted abominably against Palestinians, stealing land and homes by force, and currently killing many thousands of innocent men women and children, out of proportion to the cowardly attack on itself a year ago.
I can't see how it's possible to reconcile the two sides.
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Granting Palestinians statehood and returning their stolen land seems like a plausible first step toward regional stability. It strikes me that this would increase, rather than decrease, Israel's security. However, this is politically unthinkable in Israel at the moment.
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It would be a just action. But it would still leave them surrounded by enemies. However they should do it as it is the right thing to do.
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Treating neighbours well is a good step towards them not seeing you as enemies. If Israel continues to expand and impose itself militarily on neighbours, that fuels the enmity, and pushes its borders closer to more significant regional rivals. Surely it's in Israel's self-interest as well as the interest of its moral health to behave decently towards Palestinians.

Let's not forget that, despite prevailing narratives of Arab = Muslim = religious extremist, Palestinians have for decades been among the most secular part of the Arab world, with Christian and Muslim Arabs living pretty harmoniously side by side. We shouldn't accept that Palestinians naturally hate Jews and want the territory of Israel be purged of them. This rhetoric is associated with Hamas, but Hamas has ruled Gaza by terror over its residents.
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As is often the case I agree with RR. The enemy is Iran at the moment, I don't know if the would be appeased by returning the land to the Palestnes. I would be interested in your view. Any little knowledge I have comes from western media.

Nickasaurus do you think Israel wants a resolution? What's their end goal?

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 1 minute ago
Nickasaurus do you think Israel wants a resolution? What's their end goal?
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I honestly don't know hence i'm asking someone who seems to know more on the subject. I find all wars over religion to be baffling.

Let's not forget that, despite prevailing narratives of Arab = Muslim = religious extremist, Palestinians have for decades been among the most secular part of the Arab world, with Christian and Muslim Arabs living pretty harmoniously side by side.
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Again can I question this, as, like Jews, Christians have near enough been reduced to dwindling numbers in the middle east no?

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posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't you mean WW4? The Ukraine/Russia conflict was supposed to be WW3, remember?
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I think we’re already at WW5, given that Robb predicted whilst Trump was in office that escalating tensions with North Korea would trigger WW3 (Ukraine/Russia was actually WW4)
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comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 1 minute ago
Nickasaurus do you think Israel wants a resolution? What's their end goal?
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I honestly don't know hence i'm asking someone who seems to know more on the subject. I find all wars over religion to be baffling.
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Oh. Ok. It's not really about religion. Israel just want all the Palestinian land.

Jewish people, after world war 2, had nowhere to go. So the western world came up with this magic document that said they could go to Palestine. They went, and were actually welcomed in by the Palestinians (who were a mix of Muslims, Christians and Jews, living relatively peacefully). But then these newcomers started taking over the land, forcibly evicting people from their homes and moving in themselves.

Fast forward 80 years or so, Palestine is now essentially a concentration camp, where the Israeli defence force (funded by the west) now reign supreme. The soldiers openly release videos of themselves committing war crimes upon people who have their homes and lives stolen, because they know they can get away with it. These soldiers then come back "home" to the US and UK and receive a heroes welcome.

The whole situation is completely asinine. If you were one of the Palestinians, you'd try to "poke the bear" too.

what's for sure is the the Anglo Saxon world, first Britain & then it's spawn the USA have been bad actors on the world stage for a coupla centuries now

they hide under the cover of "democracy" whilst ruthlessly pursuing other nations resources & then there is their ludicrous geopoliticing

Thanks for the above. Very sad.
So was the exodus of Jews to Israel across Middle Eastern countries in response to this hostile takeover (for lack of better words) do you think?

Do you agree with Hamas' attack?

What do you believe the solution could be?

Israel didn't exist before Palestine was illegally occupied, so not sure what you mean.

The hamas attack was "very sad", to borrow a phrase you used to describe the mass terror and occupation inflicted upon an innocent nation. Israeli publications have confirmed a large percentage of the victims of hamas' attack were actually killed by Israel themselves in the revenge attack.

My solution would be to give the Palestinians their land back, and give these occupiers land in the west instead, if they're so worried about it.

I mean the christians and jews who were exodused across the middle east. Was that retaliation for palestine?

What land would you give them?

And I meant very sad as it genuinely is. 80 years of destruction.

When it was done to the jews many times throughout history its legal or time barred i suppose.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
I hate how polarised debate is regarding this war. Hamas are, and have always been, a terrorist organisation, yet you wouldn't know it based on the pro-Palestinian support in the western world. There's evil on both sides. You can't just pretend the barbarism on October 7th didn't happen. As bad as Israel's retaliation has been, it's a consequence of having been brutally attacked themselves. There is no good guy in this equation. Just suffering on both sides, usually innocent civilians. Plus it's a very, very complex political debate. It goes back a lot further than 70 years. Rory Stewart can explain it far better than I can...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAs5EOBUDcs
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There’s only one side committing a genocide. When you say there’s no good guys? How about the tens of thousands of innocent children killed by disproportionate bombing. ‘Pro Palestinian support’ is the only sane reaction to all this horror.
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No. A plea for a cease-fire is the only sane reaction to this horror. Otherwise you're actively backing the bombing of innocent civilians in Jerusalem.
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How many civilians are dying in Jerusalem? Compared to Palestinians. I could be wrong but I feel you feel Palestinians are less worthy of survival.
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There are more Palestinians dying for obvious reasons Robb.

The same way a lot more Arabs died in the "Global War on Terrorism" than Americans.

Whether you believe it to be proportionate or not, do you not believe Israel had the right to react to the actions of Hamas on October 7th?


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By blowing 25000 children limb from limb?