comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can’t see this happening. England manager should be English anyway.
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Brexit means Brexit!
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You joke, but I’m serious. I don’t think international managers should be allowed to come from another nation. It defeats the point of international football.
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I tend to agree with this too. It’s prevalent in all sports nowadays though.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can’t see this happening. England manager should be English anyway.
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Brexit means Brexit!
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You joke, but I’m serious. I don’t think international managers should be allowed to come from another nation. It defeats the point of international football.
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I tend to agree with this too. It’s prevalent in all sports nowadays though.

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I guess I don't take the national pride and national competition aspect that seriously, and how that aspect sometimes channels into xenophobia can put me off England. So it doesn't bother me if England side imports ideas and coaching talent and is therefore less purely a national product.

Taking that subjective part out, I guess we can ask what African national football would me like without being able to bring in experienced overseas coaches to support their tactical development - would strict nationalism entrench the advantages of wealthier and more established footballing countries in Europe and South America? Or would it be healthy for African coaches to have more pathways to top jobs if we cleared mediocre journeyman Europeans from their path? I can't say I have a definite answer to that, but it was great to see a smart and imaginative Senegalese coach, Aliou Cissé, lead his country to the AFCON title.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can’t see this happening. England manager should be English anyway.
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Brexit means Brexit!
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You joke, but I’m serious. I don’t think international managers should be allowed to come from another nation. It defeats the point of international football.
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I tend to agree with this too. It’s prevalent in all sports nowadays though.

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I guess I don't take the national pride and national competition aspect that seriously, and how that aspect sometimes channels into xenophobia can put me off England. So it doesn't bother me if England side imports ideas and coaching talent and is therefore less purely a national product.

Taking that subjective part out, I guess we can ask what African national football would me like without being able to bring in experienced overseas coaches to support their tactical development - would strict nationalism entrench the advantages of wealthier and more established footballing countries in Europe and South America? Or would it be healthy for African coaches to have more pathways to top jobs if we cleared mediocre journeyman Europeans from their path? I can't say I have a definite answer to that, but it was great to see a smart and imaginative Senegalese coach, Aliou Cissé, lead his country to the AFCON title.
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Yes I did think of that too. I’m not sure what the answer is either in terms of getting the best coaches in vs providing opportunities for local coaches. You’d hope countries that are doing the former, part of the remit would be developing coaches as wel.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
Guardiola managing a national team would be an interesting test of the assumption we often make that it's impossible to get a team playing tactically refined positional football when they don't get to train together very often. From that point of view, it would be particularly interesting to see what he'd do with England, whose players are drawn from clubs playing probably a more diverse range of styles than any other major footballing country. If he managed Spain, there's a more defined Spanish style, which owes a lot to Guardiola himself, so that would probably be a great fit but a less revealing experiment.
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Don’t think he’d ever take it so it’s a moot point but it would be interesting to see how he does. Think his rigidity to a particular style is overegged a fair bit, he’s more pragmatic than people think, particularly in the midfield and attacking third, and has been since Bayern.

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My main point is about Guardiola's tactical sophistication rather than stylistic rigidity. I take your point that he's not wedded to 'Spanish football' these days; maybe I'd rephrase that Spain is more capable of playing more sophisticated positional football than most national sides because there's a bit more collective understanding from a more identifiable national style, to which Guardiola's ideas have contributed.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
Guardiola managing a national team would be an interesting test of the assumption we often make that it's impossible to get a team playing tactically refined positional football when they don't get to train together very often. From that point of view, it would be particularly interesting to see what he'd do with England, whose players are drawn from clubs playing probably a more diverse range of styles than any other major footballing country. If he managed Spain, there's a more defined Spanish style, which owes a lot to Guardiola himself, so that would probably be a great fit but a less revealing experiment.
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Don’t think he’d ever take it so it’s a moot point but it would be interesting to see how he does. Think his rigidity to a particular style is overegged a fair bit, he’s more pragmatic than people think, particularly in the midfield and attacking third, and has been since Bayern.

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My main point is about Guardiola's tactical sophistication rather than stylistic rigidity. I take your point that he's not wedded to 'Spanish football' these days; maybe I'd rephrase that Spain is more capable of playing more sophisticated positional football than most national sides because there's a bit more collective understanding from a more identifiable national style, to which Guardiola's ideas have contributed.
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Yes I take your point, he’d find coaching Spain easier, let’s put it that way (which is why I don’t think he’d take that job anyway). I don’t think he’d try to particularly implement that with England though.

I do think England have some challenges that any coach would find difficult to fix too though.

Tuchel seems like the best option. With him as manager and Kane up front, that potential partnership between manager and player would win every competition they entered. It couldn't fail

comment by Fabián Caballero (U1734)
posted 41 minutes ago
Tuchel seems like the best option. With him as manager and Kane up front, that potential partnership between manager and player would win every competition they entered. It couldn't fail
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Always great from a productivity/ROI point of view when you can leverage the same content on multiple channels.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can’t see this happening. England manager should be English anyway.
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Brexit means Brexit!
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You joke, but I’m serious. I don’t think international managers should be allowed to come from another nation. It defeats the point of international football.
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I tend to agree with this too. It’s prevalent in all sports nowadays though.

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It’s more understandable in sports that aren’t football, though.

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can’t see this happening. England manager should be English anyway.
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Brexit means Brexit!
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You joke, but I’m serious. I don’t think international managers should be allowed to come from another nation. It defeats the point of international football.
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I tend to agree with this too. It’s prevalent in all sports nowadays though.

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It’s more understandable in sports that aren’t football, though.
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For what reasons? It’s more accepted but I’m not sure it’s more understandable.

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can’t see this happening. England manager should be English anyway.
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Brexit means Brexit!
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You joke, but I’m serious. I don’t think international managers should be allowed to come from another nation. It defeats the point of international football.
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Why not, we already allow it with players.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 32 minutes ago
Next thing is, you'll be wanting an Australian born King !
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Well, we've already had at least one German
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And now Tuchel is in the frame - this is what happens when Nigel doesn't get out his scratcher until 2pm to find Helmut has had his towel on the seat since 6am.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can’t see this happening. England manager should be English anyway.
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Brexit means Brexit!
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You joke, but I’m serious. I don’t think international managers should be allowed to come from another nation. It defeats the point of international football.
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I tend to agree with this too. It’s prevalent in all sports nowadays though.

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It’s more understandable in sports that aren’t football, though.
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For what reasons? It’s more accepted but I’m not sure it’s more understandable.

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Numbers. Take cricket and rugby as an example. Talent, money and expertise is far more concentrated in fewer hands, where international level is usually still seen as the pinnacle, than it is in football.

Obviously not all sports, but it’s understandable in a lot of them.

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can’t see this happening. England manager should be English anyway.
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Brexit means Brexit!
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You joke, but I’m serious. I don’t think international managers should be allowed to come from another nation. It defeats the point of international football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I tend to agree with this too. It’s prevalent in all sports nowadays though.

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It’s more understandable in sports that aren’t football, though.
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For what reasons? It’s more accepted but I’m not sure it’s more understandable.

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Numbers. Take cricket and rugby as an example. Talent, money and expertise is far more concentrated in fewer hands, where international level is usually still seen as the pinnacle, than it is in football.
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True but those two examples, it’s that concentrated within particular countries too that you’d think they’d be able to find domestic coaches capable of coaching their international teams. Those are two sports that I thought should be more similar to football.

Something like Athletics I understand more.

For the major nations in those sports I kind of get that, but obviously it’s been normalised for them to all work elsewhere. But even then, it’s obviously become a bit of a manager merry go round for the major nations when there’s a small number of coaches across the board, so it’s not surprising even the major ones see foreigners coaching them.

Obviously athletics is a more obvious example.

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
For the major nations in those sports I kind of get that, but obviously it’s been normalised for them to all work elsewhere. But even then, it’s obviously become a bit of a manager merry go round for the major nations when there’s a small number of coaches across the board, so it’s not surprising even the major ones see foreigners coaching them.

Obviously athletics is a more obvious example.
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Yes that’s what I mean by it’s more accepted. It a bit as if those countries don’t have a high quantity of coaches though, it’s that like you say there’s a select few seen as the pinnacle that then do the rounds.

Personally, I do think if someone thinks a national coach should be from that nation, which I tend to err on they should, there’s no real reason that shouldn’t apply to cricket or rugby either.

For me, it’s the concept of someone coaching a different national team that then plays their own nation that has always just felt odd to me! Always think it in the rugby in particular.

*it’s not as if those countries don’t have a high quantity of coaches, that should have said

I think the issue is that when there’s fewer numbers in the game in general that it’s just natural that it’s going to happen. Especially when England and Australia have controlled cricket for so long. They’re sharing them across the whole sport. Can’t speak on rugby as much. I don’t think football has quite the same challenges. Agree on the playing side of things, even though I did love KP.

there is less than a 0% chance that Pep takes the England job

He’ll probably stay out of football until FFP rules change and he can start dominating with Newcastle instead.

Arteta would be a good fit for England.


He can share his experience on missing out every year.

Banter

comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 49 minutes ago
there is less than a 0% chance that Pep takes the England job

He’ll probably stay out of football until FFP rules change and he can start dominating with Newcastle instead.
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Common sense prevailed, Pep is too good to waste his time as the England boss

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 12 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 49 minutes ago
there is less than a 0% chance that Pep takes the England job

He’ll probably stay out of football until FFP rules change and he can start dominating with Newcastle instead.
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Imagine what he could do at United with their open chequebook policy and no PSR policy.

Top 6 would be nailed on.

I think a huge disappointment for ManU, he would have been perfect for them ,dear oh dear !